The Corporate Mindfulness Scam (w/Prof. Ron Purser)

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Does management teach "mindfulness" to create compliance with a broken system that continues to inflict moral injury on frontline workers? Going beyond McMindfulness to truly wake up to what's here, now.
Ron Purser is a professor of management at San Francisco State University and a student of Buddhism since 1981. He's a faculty member at Dharma College and an ordained Zen priest.
Ron Purser's website with links to the books referenced:
ronpurser.com/
Dharma College
dharma-college.com/
Illuminate TSK app with exercises:
apps.apple.com/us/app/illumin...
Time, Space and Knowledge: A New Vision of Reality (Tarthang Tulku) (search Amazon)
The Mindful Cranks podcast:
www.mindfulcranks.com/
McMindfulness: How Mindfulness Became the New Capitalist Spirituality (search Amazon)
The Life Coaches (Current Affairs article)
www.currentaffairs.org/2023/0...
Topics and Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
1:31 What is McMindfulness
9:36 Mindfulness without addressing structural issues, moral injury
17:34 History of “managing” unhappy workers, blaming the victim
25:17 The fallacy of “self” improvement
28:03 McMindfulness and spiritual crisis, vipassana
32:04 Should westerners meditate AT ALL?
36:40 Can westerners awaken within our own culture? How?
52:50 Beyond McMindfulness
56:09 Time, Space, Knowledge: direct pointers to NOW
1:06:17 Lack and the black hole at the center of us
1:13:29 Living through labels vs. direct experience, mind and time
1:25:10 How can someone apply this to THEIR day to day struggle? Trusting YOUR experience
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@hollynewton243 Ай бұрын

Great conversation. The laughter too, was infectious. Little Story - I picked up a piece of bone off the OR floor the other day and looked at it in amusement. The Surgeon said, "Is this your first time circulating an orthopedic case?" Me- "I've circulated a thousand times and I refuse to decenter my awe of the human body and what lives/pulses inside us or why we're here." Most people in healthcare look at me like I have three heads these days. Being with and for the patient- even introducing the patient to the OR team when I arrive with the patient to the room, is becoming very foreign. I turned the Surgeon's music off the other day as well when I arrived to the theatre and he gave me the look of WTF?? The patients no matter what age, race, healthcare "problem", income status, gender, deserve our focus. And I'm afraid we've lost it to "please don't stop the music..." :)

@gxlorp Ай бұрын

Those people thinking it's weird to not introduce them to patients are kunts. I said hi to this guy: I was at a park in a college town and this upper middle class flannel bribery paycheck corrupt company (probably) employee. This high school mentality insecure, ear buds, tiny dog walking townee' I said hi, how's if going? (With a pleasant and open face) and he just makes eye contact and 😡 Like bro. 🤦‍♂️ you have it all. Context. I was huddled under a tree on the walking trails during a rain. And it was coming down. It was supposed to connect us to reality. Meanwhile mister upper middle class probably looks down on people with his 47 year old teenage capacity mind. :| Yes this rant is a little unhinged, and no I can't read this guy's mind. :| but sometimes you hit a home run If I say hi to 100 guys in that town, and they don't say hi. At least 5 of them would be like that. Let's say like doctors or engineers. Not the good ones like the egg heads in the video above. 🥚 🥸

@AshleyStuart Ай бұрын

Another amazing conversation, Z! I was laughing and yes, crying throughout this! I felt something in this that I really cannot explain too! It’s like you were using words but the communication was on a deeper level than just the words you both were using. Then again, maybe I’m just tripping out during another travel day. 😂

@yvonnegoulbourne1821 22 күн бұрын

A profound, insightful and thought provoking discussion. Bliss to the ears. We need more like it . Thank you gentlemen.🙏❤

@katypatton1886 Ай бұрын

This is so good. I retired from a 40 year nursing career while maintaining an entirely separate personal quest. Somehow I managed to land in the right spot, repeatedly. Many years as the worst student of a real Dzong Chen master. He always gave me the advice to stay connected to general society. I longed for retreat and isolation, but he encouraged me to do my best in my career. A 30 day retreat was the longest I could get away, but a general lifestyle of daily meditation practice. I see it as a very tricky path to walk, but no doubt, a good one. Thank gawd for the Angelo and ZDogg comedy show. Being part of the Asilomar Posse and drinking the taint juice offered by Violet, well, I drank the KoolAid for sure. Love you Z. Thanks .

@Rip_solo.1 Ай бұрын

Z, I am so glad that I am not the only one that ventures outside of the box. You have caught a glimpse of the way I seek and find. Thank you.

@maryannscanlon8655 Ай бұрын

I started on this journey by going to a meditation retreat that had the “spa” quality about it. It threw in phrases like “sat, chit,ananda” without explaining the meaning. They taught us a rote meditation “routine”. I gave that up because it had no teeth. I was looking for something of substance to help me with the suffering I’d experienced. That was NOT it. Then I found this and although I was reluctant at first, I began looking at Buddhism and Christian mysticism. I don’t think I’d want to go through awakening without these influences. Finding this after my disappointing foray into meditation was just what I needed. This was a very good interview. Enjoyed all 100 minutes of it!

@katypatton1886 Ай бұрын

More please. You two together…. Yes please.

@Pipananda1 Ай бұрын

Another great interview. I really liked when Ron said that appearance IS space ,time, and knowledge - it's not something behind those. Yes! Everything is just what it is as it is. The explanations are just part of a complex story that keeps us hooked in. They are useful within their context but have no substance, value, or reality beyond beyond that.

@ocofficial5481 Ай бұрын

It’s tough to assimilate all the mass info, with the time(limited “ego mind”) feels as though you need to pay attention to the impulses of what to learn or just plainly see.

@ReubenRovak Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this. I've been on a journey for many years now, and have hit the exact ideas y'all were talking about today. As a Westerner who turned to Buddhism (which saved my life), I'm grateful to see these ideas becoming so freely disseminated. I've always considered myself more of an Existential Masochist, so leaning into discomfort has actually been fun for me, and has led to so many new ways of thinking and seeing the world. I LOVE these discussions!! Keep it coming, Doc!

@nickibinski Ай бұрын

This conversation is a terrific manifestation of collective consciousness. ( I know that sounds pretentious). Thank you inviting us on the ride.

@lynnlavoy6778 Ай бұрын

Such a wonderful message! Thank you!

@JessicaBourelle Ай бұрын

1:24:38 Language is powerful, and the way its been portrayed in western culture pulls us away from reality. One part of the reality Ive come to see is that, mind is not just the brain, but it is the entire body including the brain. Body awareness, and mindfulness are the exact same practice. Memories are a good example , theres reflexive and instinct memory like fight, flight and freeze responses that exist in the body. And theres memories that exist in the brain (which is a body part) that may show us visuals of our past. So brain and body are not separate. Mindfulness is a practice of body awareness and vice versa. Redefining mindfulness with detailed language is so vital in being able to evolve. Thank you for posting such a deep discussion!

@dr.tamararussell9150 Ай бұрын

Go Ron!!!! Great to see you here!

@SimonCook-j6s 10 күн бұрын

Wonderful, thank you both

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Students come and have sincere conversations unto one another! Now! Remember not just one another?

@johnpienta4200 Ай бұрын

Also really loved your exploration of meaning/meaningness. Emptiness of inherent meaning means, if you hold this next phase lightly, you get to decide, or explore, what it means. You get to explore spontaneous arising of meaning with whatever arises.

@StigAlbansson Ай бұрын

Thanks, that was brilliant..!

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Even my HOSTS and my BEAUTIFUL molded the Sea of Glass just for thee all? Yes, increase in knowledge! Comes with to Observe 1ST! My Angels who persevere! In a BLINK nor a TWINKLE OF AN EYE!

@shadowmerchant Ай бұрын

To me, mindfulness is a gateway for new people exploring the space, to then later expand their personal journey into the self. Just one step forward to a greater experiential goal….

@johnpienta4200 Ай бұрын

I really appreciated the deep dive into the contextual underpinning of "what meditation is for". Very important that you invoked Dr Britton's work, because many people are using these techniques without a context for what could happen with their everyday experiences. In that sense there's a fundamental lack of informed consent when McMindfulness is at play. On the other hand Zubin, I'm glad you pushed back about the availability of some notion of Awakening, even within our world, for which we are radically removed from the context of many of these traditions. The Suttas themselves describe Buddha teaching thousands of lay people, farmers etc who did not have a lifetime to cloister away and meditate. Later Buddhism also contains the 84 Mahasiddhas, archetypes of ordinary people enlightened within a human lifetime.

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

What is a lust for control? Keep watch! Hold...let all Noises to come forth!

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Remember Who are commanded to hold! CLEANERS! My FLOOD!

@MyronLuis Ай бұрын

This is brilliant insight

@n-xsta Ай бұрын

This is awesome awesome thank you both!

@pawbrink Ай бұрын

I love you.

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Students shared "i" AM will say increase knows belongs?

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Students will say liken unto a NEEDLE nor a rice marked with Red. Ascended unto a haystack and rice! Come teach the little Child born "i" AM longing to LEARN! Why HE longing to LEARN?

@jamesschemmel6117 Ай бұрын

Son of a bitch….. that was outstanding!!!! Fantastic dialogue!!!! Absolutely amazing!!!! Thank you.

@readingfann Ай бұрын

The only thing they needed to do is calm the students so they can continue doing their job. Everyone would love to stop and deal with the why but they are not trained to help them deal, just read, write and arithmetic. 😢

@davidjara2384 Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@ZDoggMD Ай бұрын

Thanks so much 🙏

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Beloved slowly to introducing unfamiliar ways of speaking unto many but yet is clear as water unto Whom BELONGS? Who can MASTER NOT TO OFFEND? Yet, some will say fell at HIS FEET as DEAD! Beloved fear not!

@lorivazquez2927 Ай бұрын

What was the name of the book Ron was recommending?

@DoomrodKilgard Ай бұрын

Lack and Transcendence by David Loy

@EvinFox Ай бұрын

I’d love to hear Rachel Zoffness weigh in on this and the role of the placebo effect impacting us via the bio psycho social piece.

@EmmaDK668 Ай бұрын

❤

@oliverjamito9902 Ай бұрын

Students will say, come all wise of this world to bring forth FINE TUNES all this NOISES? Students why are all these shared Mouths making many noises don't even know why making noises in front? Students shared "i" AM knows?

@nagodio 3 сағат бұрын

TM > Vipassana I practice 1.5hr of Vipassana and 25 minutes of TM daily : TM helps me ALOT more I did alottt of research and figured out how to use the mantra and it gets me DEEEEEP!!!! Vipassana 10 day retreat RITE after your done your back to zero again