"It's more in tune than your piano."

Ha ha.

Technically, some of these might sound more in tune to certain individuals with perfect pitch. Apparently the harmonic series is not in consistent intervals, but the tuning of a piano _is._

@@anonymousaccordionist3326 It doesn't require perfect pitch at all. Perfect pitch is only needed to judge e.g. whether the A on a piano is actually an A, or some other note. As soon as intervals get involved, anyone can tell the difference, because out of tune intervals will have beating between harmonics that you can hear as soon as you know what to listen for. For example, if we take the actual 5th harmonic of middle A, that's 5 * 440 Hz = 2200 Hz. When you hit a string tuned so its fundamental is 440 Hz, you'll also generally get some vibrations at 2200 Hz as part of the timbre of the instrument. Now let's go up a major third from there to C#, and consider the 4th harmonic of that note. If C# were a perfect 5/4 ratio above A, then its 4th harmonic would exactly match 2200 Hz, and that's what consonance is: partials of different notes lining up nicely. Now let's use the major third in 12 equal. We'll get 2^(4/12) * 440 as our C# (It's 2^(4/12) because a major third is 4 steps in 12 equal), and then multiply that by 4 to get the fourth harmonic, and we get 2217.5. There will be a beat frequency between the fifth harmonic of our A at 2200 Hz, and the fourth harmonic of our C# at 2217.5 Hz at the absolute difference of those: 17.5 Hz. This creates a sort of "buzzing" that is *very* noticeable if you're used to thirds that are in tune. Let's try it with 31 equal: we get 2^(10/31) * 440 as our C# (the major third is 10 steps of 31 equal), and then multiply that by 4, and we get 2201 Hz. So the beating is 1 Hz, which is much slower and less noticeable (a little slow beating can even be pleasant, like a gentle chorus effect). It's a compromise though, since while the thirds are more in tune in 31 equal, you give up a little accuracy in the fifths and fourths (not enough to be really painful though -- if we took that A and the E above it in 31 equal, the 3rd harmonic of the A would beat against the 2nd harmonic of the E at about 4 Hz, which is still pretty decent). The fifths in 31 equal are about 5 cents out, and the thirds in 12 equal are about 13 cents out. The real things which set 31 equal ahead of 12 equal for me are that (1) its B-C / E-F semitone is much better in tune with the 16/15 ratio it's generally meant to be, making the major and minor scales just generally better sounding overall. This also means maj7 chords are nicer, not quite as nice as the ones in 43 equal, but very nice, and (2) all the ratios that have a 7 in the numerator or denominator, and which help line up the 7th harmonics of notes with other harmonics of other notes have good approximations and are available to use to make new types of harmony, whereas 12 equal does such a poor job approximating them that it basically isn't a thing.

The gigachad microtonal "perfect pitch" haver: I see this as an absolute win.

I think it might be a bit of both.................

Check out sevish totally different style but v smooth microtonal shit it’s like rly cool

@@jeffstevens6916 specifically his song gleam is probably the most digestible, albeit still a bit jarring

I also have a cover of Gleam on my channel with four microtonal pianos

You should check out mild high clubs recent album lots of microtonal elements

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There arent that crazy timings here. Id recommened just trying to learn one bar for now. Even if it takes a week just keep practicing.

@@kedronmallia939 I was referring more to the... tonal nature? of the composition. Microtones are nuts. And I wish I had more time to learn theory. I just watch KZfaq videos now.

@@jemplayer if your goal is to listen to more microtonal music, try some classical Indian, or Indonesian music. The indian raga system, like many other middle eastern tuning systems are scales that use microtones (half flat/sharp) and also have specific ornamentations built around microtones. The indonesian "classical" music (built around bronze gong instruments) is often purposefully "out of tune" (i put that in parentheses as that's how it's seen in western music, not in indonesian music) and often times has sounds that are very microtonal and seem out of place, even though they're totally normal. Last thing id recommend is listening to the poet by Tigran Hamasyan. It's a cool example of how middle eastern scales can sound both out of tune, and in tune at the same time. If im not mistaken, he plays a piano and doubles it, changing one piano to a half flat/half sharp note to match the middle eastern sound

@UCmIIrZVyf-3mzuN3_oer7BA didnt think he was bitching first of all. All I wanted to do was give him courage to practice. The only one doing that is you

@@TaveZgg "Last thing I'd recommend" means "what I would never recommend". better use "my final recommendation would be (...)"

No one would ever return to triads after hearing something like Em11 -> Eb13#11 (sweet crunchy) -> Dm7 (thanks, Charles Cornell)

hey man, triads can be killer if you do em right then again 3:34 hits so different what the f u c k d o g

Triads are really important don’t sleep on them

@@WikiBidoz that's still triads and 7th chords haha just stacked on top of each other

@@isaacdes962 yeah, you could express an extended chord like that, but they're not a singular triad, that's the point. I meant you won't return to using only triads as chords

i actually like it a lot

this isn't 'fine' this is _fiiiiiine_

tonedeaf people (yes its not just an insult, its an actual condition): ???

i have it, and tho it sounds off, i quite like it. Or, well, theres this weird feeling that i like something because its weird

Why do you think perfect pitch (rather than relative) should make this unpleasant?

Yeah, that's why a ton of people only perform or compose microtonal music on detuned pianos. The cultural framework is already there through old honky tonks and in more recent years lo-fi hip hop detuned pianos.

Yeah because it's out of tune

@@dazza2350 it's not out of tune he's playing on an electric also it's microtonal meaning he's playing notes in between semitones.

@@b1shop988 grandpa's old upright was out of tune. and so is the e-keyboard, it's sort of the joke of e-keyboards that they can replicate any tune you tell them to

@@h00db01i The keyboard is not "out of tune", it's specifically tuned to 31-TET as it says; it'd be "out of tune" if it was supposed to be tuned to 12-TET and sounded like 31TET, but that's not the case here.

Have you ever heard of Sevish?

@@kassandrasaavedra6312 I just checked it out and I got to say what a gem to find this, thanks for the recommendation

Have you ever heard of Jacob Collier?

@@jamesonrichards5105 another recommendation would be zhea erose!

I would say King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard's album Flying Microtonal Banana

Good to know that it's not only me. It almost hurts... Not used to this at all!

But what is "in tune"? After all equal temperament is not so old in the music history (if you consider pure intonation, pythagorean or baroco style) and even today many musical practices all other the world use differents musical systems.

@@jean-baptistelore6959 idk how to explain it. My brain just says "WRONG"

@@jean-baptistelore6959 you're right. It just sounds weird to my ears. My brain just says "WRONG"

In fact, it is simply a matter of style, will and social consensus. After all, quarter tones are no longer disturbing in arabic music when you become familiar with it, it is even logical when you think of it like a perfect triad of notes. It is only strange in a western ear because of a 300 years old tradition (if you think that equal temperament appear at the end of Bach's life in the 18th century).

Good call! Exactly that!!

Because it's so out of tune lol

@@YourMJK whats out of tune? The notes are in tone

@@mikeyeyey8678 Each piano key has 1-3 strings and if those aren't tuned to the same pitch you get this "flangey" saloon sound.

@@YourMJK right but this pianos electric first of all, so its in tune no matter what, and hes playing microtonal music, which is why it sounds out of tune

This is the way

Exactly what I was thinking

12edo and 31edo are both meantone tunings, so a lot of harmony is compatible

It did "seem" like it's more noticeable with chromatic movements, perhaps?

i have perfect pitch moment

I dont have perfect pitch but it confuses my brain anyways

@@blu4r414 relatable

@@blu4r414 Same!

its like a new frame on a photograph

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you can check sevish, brendan byrnes, benyamind, hear between the lines! they make more pleasant music for the majority of people

Also check out Jacob Colliers In the bleak midwinter. He does like a half sharp key change thingy

Glad you think so. Part of the reason, I expect, is that the intervals that occur most often in the tonal music we're used to --- perfect 4th and 5th, major and minor 3rd and 6th --- are very close to in tune. Indeed, 31et's major 3rd (and therefore also minor 6th) is even closer to in tune than 12et's is.

I find Brendan Byrnes stuff to still sound eerie and dissonant, but Sevish’s stuff feels more right

or it started out of tune and slowly falls in tune, how about that ?

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@@doinkens I mean, "in tune" is really subjective nowadays as we are so used to hearing 12TET. Also that comment is a year old

There's probably some arrangement of words with the term "Just Intonation" somewhere for me to type, but I can't think of it right now

I think of honky-tonk piano

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bass goes Bb Eb A# D#, Bb and Eb are just one 31-edo step above A# and D# so they sound ever so slightly different in pitch

True, it reminds me of my first time hearing Giant Steps or watching an movie in a classroom

Memories of Mr. Rogers...

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Once you get that sound into your ears it can be hard to go back, the crunch cannot be unheard.

Well you guys are doing good work to make it happen!

There's quite a bit of microtonal music on KZfaq atm, it's just that they're smaller KZfaqrs that don't get recommended often, even if you listen to microtonal music often.

i know exactly what you’re talking about, and thank you for that

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Thanks! :) I want to transcribe basically everything microtonal and popular on KZfaq! Next up: Anna-Maria Hefele’s Lambdoma excerpt #1 :)

Yeah, it actually was! This was extremely close to meantone temperament (What they used at the time), so people like Adriaan Fokker came with the idea to use 31 equal divisions of the octave!

Me too! I think having perfect pitch is part of why I’m addicted to xenharmonic music

@@stephenweigelI can tell by your pfp

You’re welcome! ☺️

@@stephenweigel what is a braaap?

It’s the sound of a fart which can also be heard in crunchy dissonant piano chords

@@jordanrutledge7943 no braaps exist in 12-TET unfortunately 😔

Ayyy you're welcome :)

it's neither major or minor, it takes a fourth and divides it into 4 equal intervals. Fascinating stuff when used melodically!!!

Agreed!

HELL YEAH

You know you love it

you and me both brother

You, my friend, are a microtonalist :D