Agreed

One of the few criticisms I have of BG3 is the lack of the 'lawful/neutral evil' option. Like the 'selfish, clever bastard', rather than the 'refugee slaughtering nutjob' type. Given the slaughter you engage in as a matter of course, pretending you're good and virtuous seems kinda bizarre.

Most RPGs, at least. There definitely are ones where not leaving a mountain of corpses in your wake is actually a reasonable and intended option.

It's especially amusing how prone to misinformation that news about BG3 is. The biggest one was the "AAA devs attack BG3 because video game too big", which was a complete nothing burger promoted by garbage clickbait KZfaq channels that market to people who seemingly base their entire personality around being capital G gamers and perpetually offended.

This game has no "Jail". Is either let them thrive or kill them.

Well its not quite the same number, at the very minimum that poor Teifling Bard did nothing to deserve such a horrible fate. But she is as far as I know always killed as kind of the opening act for The Dark Urge's plot arc. And there are others that didn't need to die but the Urge wants you to. I'd also point out that technically you don't have to kill, as far as I know you can win every fight you get into with them only knocked unconscious if you really want to try.

Well if it was a game about a war then even as a good guy hero you'd have stacks and stacks of murdered enemies around you. And considering it's a game... why should the reaction be "Oh no! We're monsters"? RPGs and action games in general focus heavily on combat. Mountains of corpses of enemies is standard. Nothing horrific.

@@TheOneTrueMar Yeah, that's kind of the problem.

Oh, f*ck, we're all monsters! Quick, kill us in every RPG!

Cause if someone wants to kill you you fight back, how are you a monster for defending yourself? Don't oversimplify stuff

Yeah, I figured this guy was going around killing quest givers and such like that, not just the assorted enemy NPCs most players kill in their playthrough.

Buddy I could not tell you how Pokemon I've left to die all to catch their shiny counterpart

Or most video games really. If you played through original Doom of Wolfenstein, you have killed enough virtual people to depopulate a small to medium-sized town.

An evil playthrough of Kotor, if I recall correctly, was basically same as good, but you extort money from the folks you help....

Someone should tally up Mario’s genocide against the Goombas.

You never watched even a bit of their countless streams? It's not like it's rare to hear him talk casually.

@@TheMarkoSeke I'd say he has, otherwise it's unlikely he would know that, isn't it?

It's the storytelling, film noir style that really resonates.

I'd assume the method would be to pick them up, take them to camp, and drop them in the infinite chest until the end of the act, at which point you can pick them all up at once.

@@iorithgaming You don't even have to take them to camp. Just click "Send to Camp".

If you want more cold take is the same guy,

I actually posted a slightly negative post before this just because I don't like them cribbing Yahtzees style in these other videos, BUT , they sure as hell have been making good content recently. They had some good stuff in the early days(Shamus comes to mind, rip) and they have made a huge comeback in the past few years. This was a good video. Still not a fan of them using the ol' Yahtzee imp art style.

Yahtzee has directly collaborated in making this the style of the channel. He looks forward to seeing what the team does with Adventure is Nigh as much as the community does. It's not a The Escapist vs Yahtzee, we're a team.@@Grummar

​@@theescapistI never thought it was a you vs them situation, afaik you guys have always been a very good employer for Yahtzee, which is why he has stuck with you, it is just jarring to see the artstyle elsewhere, which is just my personal preference. I think the whole point of commenting on videos is to let you know my preferences. 😅

hopped on board late, Ruiz makes some really amazing, inspiring content.

Was trying to confirm this was Frost there's no hiding that voice 😂

Baldurs Gate takes that further, as the goblins themself are NPC's, quest givers and not so friendly bystanders. You can also side with them, although that would be considered the "evil" playthrough.

He said NPC's every one thought it was the non enemy NPC's. The children in that druid camp, the survivors of that fire ect. It's miscommunication at most. They thought he killed regular NPCs nor enemies NPC's witch as far as fantasy is concerned are straight up evil. If not evil than literal animals looking to eat you. Of course everyone is ok with it when it turns out to be evil NPCs. The real world isn't detective comics. Everyone knows that in a fight for your life you should kill your attacker.

Far Cry 3 had some really interesting parts where it examined how you take an "average" guy and then turn him into an unstoppable death machine. You're doing it to rescue your friends that captured by a criminal gang, but there's story beats where you're talking to your friends after rescuing them and the main character says he thinks he actually likes killing the enemy. You can see the concern in your friend's face when he said that. It's an fps, so that's the point of the game, but it does bring in some reality where if someone had to mow down hundreds of pirates it would definitely give them some mental damage. Spec ops the line also played with the theme very well.

I wouldn't say that you kill "unthinkingly". The encounters occur because you're now in a "kill or be killed" situation. If you don't wipe out those goblins, Sharites, or mindflayers for example, YOU'RE going to be added to THEIR pile. The deaths that are inevitable is what comes when you're existing in a society that lives By The Sword, where you mete out justice as it affects you. A player definitely could think about WHY they're getting involved in situations that don't affect them (for example, do you trust Mayrena's brothers, or Auntie Ethel? Why even get involved? By whose morality or ethics is one to judge?). Sadism REALLY enters the chat when the player starts to kill NPCs because they *can*, like in GTA where people just drive and run over nameless NPCs and not care. So ye, to the gnolls and spiders and goblins, sure, you're the monster, but they were DEFINITELY going to eat you first, and you just happened to survive their attack. But if you side with them and attack the tieflings (the defenseless children and bystanders most especially) and the druids... what does that say about your character?

@@Silvanfan The goblins also have defenseless children and bystanders and are mind controlled. They are essentially innocent. And you are not forced to kill anyone. You can simply knock them out, achieving the same result. Death is not inevitable in the situation, it's your choice to kill.

beautifully said

That's what I keep telling people about my cookbook. There's a wicked recipe for pizza in there. Though you do end up having to pick out the bones...

@@crushermach3263I would make a 🅱️oneless pizza reference if it was 2017.

-astarion after i gave him that necromancy book

Especially don't judge the cover if you haven't put an amethyst in the mouth, it really ties everything together.

I'm kinda glad the campaign I'm in now does not have a lot of non-monstrous enemies. And the times we do have to fight other sapient beings we will usually try and talk our way out if possible. The first humanoid my character killed was part of a gang we were confronting and he had meant to just injure them and force them to submit, but he rolled max damage on fire bolt and killed the guy. He was not ok for a few in game days.

One of two reasons I'm glad the campaign I'm in is in a nation utterly teeming with undead. Almost all combat is entirely guilt-free. We've only fought other people twice, and took them in non-lethally both times. We even try to make them surrender, and the last one standing usually takes us up on that offer, once they realize that it's going to be 4 on 1 and they have no escape option. XD (The other reason I'm glad for the location is that Nabrok is the last country anyone would look for my character, and boy does he have a lot of people looking for him. XD)

Ya honestly I'm pretty sure my "good" Starfield character can fill up a town with all the corpses he's made at this point

yaaaaaay uhh wait

In MGS3, there’s a boss fight where you have to slowly traverse a river being confronted/avoiding all the things you’ve killed up to that point. Animals included. If you go for a complete stealth run, the area is empty and you “win” that encounter. It’s a genuinely great moment in video games

Next episode!

@@theescapist Could you also do an episode on the WOW corrupted blood incident?

@@falloutboy1015They already did.

Yahtzee already did that for a Zero Punctuation episode, but maybe we'll revisit if we're short an idea for a week!@@falloutboy1015

@@theescapist Wooo! Glad to hear, sorry for commenting it in every one of these videos!

There are rpgs that keep a running tally of the # of each enemy you've killed in a beastiary, if not the actual total killed.

That type of run in Hitman is so hard too. The amount of effort to wipe out everyone in a Hitman level given just how populated each one is is truly an amazing feat. I half did it once by accident. I screwed up in Dartmoor and ended up with a massive pile of security guards in that ground floor bathroom by the library and also in the hall outside the bathroom.

They used to call him the drift king back in college

Also it significantly reduces the risk of getting an overtly long toenail stuck in the fabric while you hoist your pants up.

Accountant Dark Urge

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder coping mechanisms Dark Urge.

Dunno if you'd be a serial killer in an rpg, but def a mass murderer.