You made me want to watch Stargate good thing I have it on disc!

The sizes of the hatak and alkesh seemed to especially prone to inconsistent scaling episode to episode

While i don't think it a big issue, because your video is great, I do agree that the dimensions are are off. That's just a observation comparing the 2 bridges section from the Ford and the 304, and assuming a relatively similar size of each deck to current navy ships. Even if the 304's bridge is only standing 2 decks high above the main body flat section, this implies it is bigger than the Ford in all 3 dimensions

OK to stop the madness EVERYONE can go watch trekyards video on the ships they had the official (used by the show) numbers and CGI model to work with. I am not watching 4 twenty minute videos to stop this argument. Last the producers themselves say they don't know where these numbers come from they were just there one day. Good job on the video haven't laughed so hard at nerd stuff in some time

The reason Cheyenne is pronounced that way is because it's named after the Cheyenne Tribe, if I recall correctly.

It's scary how right you are...

Truth be told, they were pretty Nuke happy right from the start. In the very first episode, Hammond was ready to glass Abydos until O'Neil convinced him otherwise. They just didn't have the delivery methods back then.

​@@Alexander_KaleNaquadria boosted nuclear warheads: because nothing says get fuckded like giving The Sun steroids!

@@KillerOrca The good steroids too. Designer quality.

Lategame Atlantis: ZPM-powered superweapons for everybody!!! Big enough Naquadriah-boosted nukes _still_ drain those shields.

Now that would have been a hillarious and amazing season finale .. or time it with the finale of Atlantis .. Humans vs. Killer Robots vs. Space Vampires.

“Dammit, we just finished fighting a bunch of omnicidal human-form replicators!”

That actually happened in quite a few fanfiction stories.

so much better than the ending of BSG that is OFFICALY the new cannon !!! i will have no debates

I was actually hoping that Earth would be a Multi Planet Human Race.... Moving towards Expanse territory, and the Galactica just infused Tech and Designs.... Belters V Toasters....

'Honestly you blow up one sun...'

Granny Michell sure knew how to cook.

@@scottburns2671 Or link up to one black hole ..

Sheridan alone in Babylon 5 beats SG command lmao

if at first you don't succeed, add a bit more Naquadah to the warhead.

Its how the US would operate.

​@origami83 😂 yeah because the rest of the world either would just try and 40k it or get immediately f-cked by the greater galaxy.

@@adarkwind4712 Iam not saying its good or bad but its literally americans in stargate acting like americans today. Not every nation / human will act the same way if they were to have a stargate.

@@origami83 I am saying if they were to act differently, they'd all be dead. Once Pandoras box is opened, it can't be closed. Once Apophis found out about earth again, that was it, and it has to be taken advantage of. You can't, as senator Kinsey wanted to, just bury it. So you have to use it to try and build yourself up before the barbarians arrive at the gate. Most of the early show was about exploration and gathering intel and tech but very often they would end up helping people with aid and supplies. Because they were stuck in a perpetual medieval time due to not being allowed to progress past a certain technological level. So they weren't just on the warpath. But to try and operate any other way or worse not operate at all would eventually lead to our own destruction.

@@adarkwind4712 i agree with you 100%, but still its just americans doing it. Not earth or humanity as a whole or humans in general. Pretty much every other scifi has a united earth or humanity as a whole acting together. Only stargate has the usa presuming to act on behalf of earth, while hoarding all tech, discoveries and alliances for themselves. Once they realized what they were up against the whole us military should have been involved, combined with every earth government and resource to battle the goauld. But that didnt happen, only once they could reliably force every nation on earth to follow their directive (when they got their first spaceships) did they share the common threat.

Accuacy is important in xenohistory.

Because that's totally not even stupider than them being part of the ship. You are 100% correct though.

The real stupid part is something else entirely. Ha'taks are pyramids with a triangular base. The pyramids of giza meanwhile have a square base. As have pretty much all other pyramids ever build on earth. You would not be able to land one of those on ANY large pyramid ever constructed by ancient humans. IIRC, it was a goof by the art department that no one noticed until it was too late.

@@Alexander_Kale Exactly, but I believe the original movie showed this happening more accurately. Not with Ha'taks, but a Cheops class, which has a square base

@@iycephoenixx4249 Yes. Ra's pimp ride was a four sided pyramid. The goof happened when they made the the series. We do see Ha'taks land once or twice, but never on pyramids iirc.

i guess it would be "meme beams"?

@@MrUberbongo Nope, at that point I believe it was still Gatebusters.

also their knowledge of stargates, at the start they barely know how to dial home, by the end they can rewire it efforlessly as for tech, there is also just seing that somthing exist and just macguyver their version of it

what's amazing about stargate, is how much of the science, and technology has become real world.

They probably just rotated the crews around as the crew roosters grew bigger with each new ship (it's a shame they never showed us the assembly line of the F-302 and the dockyards of the BC-304s)

The wraiths indeed did deal with beamed weapons before because they had fought the ancients (who sank Atlantis and promptly assnded into Q-like beings).

@@LionlordEbonfire I don't think the ancients ever invented Asgard style beaming, it's always needed the rings or an enclosed area like the ones in atlantis. The Ori are an offshoot of the ancients and they use deployable ring platforms. They may have run into the rogue Asgard who had no compunctions about beaming bombs over, so they developed a jamming signal and managed to destroy all their high tech Asgard ships and that's why they have the less advanced ones.

@@andrewbutton2039 we never saw a fully functional, powered and crewed ancient ship at war trying everything (I think there was one flash back). But when they were fighting the Wraith (according to Atlantis lore) they tried everything but were massively outnumbered only sinking Atlantis as a final measure. It seems reasonable that they would try things like that. Also the replicators that tried to replicate Ancient tech (I remember they were made to fight the Wraith and that worked out poorly) and likely they could have done the same.

@@LionlordEbonfire maybe, but it seems like a very specifically tailored counter. I don't discount the possibility the ancients invented, or perhaps recreated, an Asgard style transporter, but I feel the rogue Asgard are maybe a more reasonable explanation.

You're both forgetting the Vanir. There _were_ Asgard living in Pegasus when the Wraith first emerged. There were only a few, so they got mobbed and reduced to stealth and scavenging, but before being defeated, I'm sure the Vanir pulled that trick a few times.

To my knowledge, they abandoned the hyper drive idea completely once they got their space carrieres working. 302s are NEVER seen operating across interstellar distances.

@@Alexander_Kale Oh that's true, but just like with the "They have teleporters and nukes, so what do they do of course?" the whole point of the f302 Hyperdrive is that while it's intended goal of jumping interstellar distance proved unfeasible, they were able to take advantage of the hyperdrive's ability to sort of teleport first to get rid of an overloading stargate before it exploded at planet breaking intensity, and then to bypass the shields on a super mothership after realizing there was enough of a gap between the shield and the hull to gate a fighter in there to attack. It's got some parallels to the earlier trick where they handled a planet busting asteroid by modifying an alien ships hyperdrive to jump through the earth instead of impacting, or in Atlantis where when the ancient ship's engines were unfixable, they instead juiced the shields to facilitate using the super volcano eruption to hyperjump to orbit.

naquadria being an artificialy created variant of naquada that is FLAWED and expodentialy unstable because the nunbers said it was so much more powerfull than naquada it allowed for smaller hyperdrives ones that could be on "fighter jets" ... but on the test they discovered that it had that instability flaw which didn't allow for more than intra system "short" jumps

@@BrendanKOD I LOVE Stargate for that consistency. They learn you can jump a wormhole in Solitudes then use it to save Earth in A Matter of Time and to block the Supergate in Pegasus Project. As a last ditch hail mary, they ride an asteroid through Earth. Then later use that knowledge to attack Anubis's Super Mothership. Carter uncovers the Autodial tech in the Kahlek DHD and then she and McKay use that to make the Intergalactic Gate Bridge. Everything has a path you can follow.

That's exactly it, Goa'uld weaponry is theatre, for playing out their own internal struggle, from the staff weapons right up to the motherships, the System Lords were all quite content to play the same game, forever, till you had the Tau'ri, Anubis and Baal turn up and upset things...

That is not remotely descriptive of reality. Ha'taks are effectively the Arley Burke equivalent of the Goa'uld. You need a lot of them, you have a limited budget, and you need them to be able to do a lot of different things, from fleet engagements to orbital bombardments to troop transport to escort duty to occasional freighter duty. So you build Ha'taks. And keep in mind, before the BC 304 got their Asgard Beams? they would have been fricking USELESS against a Ha'tak. Here you have a ship that is armed with multiple turrets firing blasts equivalent to nuclear bombs, protected by something that can shrug of nuclear blasts. The 304 had Railguns. Cool. What is that going to do against a shield that can shrug of super charged Naquadah-Nukes? What are your missiles gonna do against something that is fast enough it can run rings around your missiles until their reaction based rocket motors run out of fuel? Ha'taks will never run out of ammunition, because their weapons are energy based. As long as it has reaction mass, it can fight. Their engines are not rocket motors, so they can go full blast in WHATEVER direction they choose, unlike the Daedalus, which would have to turn around. They have powerful guns that can rapid fire. Their shields are absurdly strong. A single one can glass a planet in days, and the only reason it takes so long is because planets are huge. It takes only TWO people to operate these things in a combat situation, make that ONE if you really have to, and a CHILD could learn do it in shord order.

Also, if Anubis or the Replicators get their hands on Ha'taks, they can upgrade them, like, ten times better. Because they're copied Precursor tech and the Precursors's gimmick was 'lasts forever' so Goa'uld tech also lasts forever, Warhammer-style.

Kinda like when Oneill compared the Staff to the P90. "This is a weapon of Fear and Intimidation. This is a weapon of war."

@@memnarch129 Well, yeah, he could not very well say the truth. That being, "we want you to buy our inferior weapons that require ammunition you cannot make so you are dependent on us and can never ever rebel against us." The staff is effectively a grenade launcher that never runs out of ammo. In the first season it could tear down meter thick stone walls and regularly exploded trees. A single hit of this thing means you go down with either a lost limb or a fatal torso wound. Did i also mention how they never ever run out of ammo? Or break? Or require maintenance? Mount a laser pointer or a reflex sight on a staff and voila. Best infantry weapon in the setting.

There's also the XSGCM explaination: Nukes and plasma broadsides batter down shields. Plasma beams pierce shields. See also: the Golden F-U Beam on Ori Toiletships.

The Asgard did admit once that the Ancients were actually even more advanced than they ever were. Also, I like to think that the Ancients ascended the Asgard just before their planet exploded. I know they don't usually do that sort of thing but they were close allies at one point and that's the sort of favor you'd do for a friend even if they weren't expecting it.

The Asgard were nowhere close to the level of the Ancients. The Ancients were to the Asgard what the Asgard were to humans.

@@Kalenz1234 Wrong. Asgard have point-to-point teleporters, stronger shields than the Ancients ever had, antimatter reactors sufficiently efficient to outcompete ZPMs, and the Plasma Beam.

The argument between who has better tech between the Ancients and Asgard is kind of silly. The areas of tech they specialize in are vastly different. Like comparing planes to submarines. Both advanced theory and engineering are required, but in different areas.

They had a lot of real life military involvement to the point some people think it’s a soft reveal of real life info. In the wormhole extreme episode the person signed the documents on SG1 to allow the fake “wormhole extreme” show Was really the actual person who would be signing that in real life. Tons of stuff like that in the show

It activated on its own on a time-delay when it was powered on.

@@JoshSweetvale And it turns out it was only installed after Teal'c had turned traitor was the biggest kick!

Think it was 4 weeks instead of like 2 months or something a lot closer to 4 days if they had Asgard hyperdrives

@@JustPlainRex As standard the BC-304 traveled at 1.9 lightyears per second, with a ZPM it goes up to 4 or more and that is still slower than Asgard ships like the Beliskner and O'Neill class.

​@@Predator42IDThey should be more than fast enough to catch up to the destiny in just a few weeks as fast as they can go. I think it literally takes them minutes to travel between galaxies.

@@DeathBYDesign666 the destiny is extremely far away they have been moving for a very long time get wouldn’t catch up even if they could find it

@@JustPlainRex It still takes it like a year or longer to travel between galaxies while Asgard ships take minutes to travel the same distance. That is more than just a little faster that is millions of times faster in actuality. Therefore a couple million years travel is reduced to just months, it's pretty simple math actually.

Yes, it was the ship you design as part of working out the best way to design a ship!

The ugliness is part of the charm! 😉

My biggest problem with the Prometheus is that it never actually DID anything. It got stolen twice, got lost in space, tried to Ram Anubis but aborted, then got blown up.

@@Alexander_Kale on my most recent rewatch, the thing that bugged me the most was that it's blown up in Ethon then instantly replaced the next episode in Off The Grid. It would have had so much more impact if we'd been practically defenceless for a few weeks at least before the Odyssey was brought online.

"Prometheus" was the most apt name ever. The Air Force was acutely aware of how ancient myths connected humanity to rest of the galaxy by that point.

The Magazine that put out those number had little to no connection with anyone on the show's production team and just made up the numbers.

The bigger measurements were also confirmed by the show runners themselves who ran 'Stargate Now'.

I had a feeling those dimensions given were wrong, just comparing the bridge from the current day carrier to the 304, the is no way the Ford is bigger than the 304.

The f-302 is an especially shit example to use because in "canon" the 302 has a wider wingspan than a boeing 747, yet we see in an episode where a gate is attached to the bottom of an f-302 that the stargate is a little less than half as long as an f-302 is. The scale of that fighter is beyond wrong even at a glance. It's closer to the size of an f-35 if you scale based on the pilot. I'm willing to accept that the dimensions for the daedalus are wrong. But I refuse to scale them based off the 302, it's just too ridiculous.

USS Enterprise (CV-6) was roughly 250m long. and could carries about 90 aircrafts. Though WW2 fighters were much smaller than F-302s, but given there were only 8-16 F-302s onboard the Daedalus. I think they should fit fine (I think the 302 could fold its wing?).

The Defiant isn't really a battleship though. Its more of a destroyer with weapons way more powerful than a destroy should have. Although now that I've just looked up the sizes of each ship the Defiant isn't actually that much smaller than the Daedalus. I guess it just goes to show that the Daedalus is actually pretty small and the Defiant feels notably smaller because its in the mix with tons of other Starfleet capital ships that are all quite a bit bigger.

Also because the Trek writers are actually unimaginative when it comes to tech. Thus why replicators are never used to mass produce drone fighters weapons for a ship crew. (And yes trekkies, they CAN both examples have been done with food replicators, and in principle replicators are nothing more than teleporters taking "raw material" and reshaping it into something "usable", and that material is energy and a Star Trek ship thanks to the dark matter scoops while at warp speed have effectively unlimited power)

​​@@codyraugh6599Deep Space 9 fixed all of this. They had a Replicator drone minefield, and the lockdown protocol on the Space German station (long story) created tiny little phaser turrets in the Replicators and then fed them from the power grid. And then there's the Defiant class. A picket frigate designed *for war.* A tiny brick with about the same firepower as the _Enterprise,_ *a cloak,* and _armor plating._ Crap warp range, zero amenities, but they produced several a year, and they could actually fight better than the big saucer multirole leviathans.

@@JoshSweetvale ah yes Deep Space 9, where a industrial Replicator was being fought over, because it was being used to produce shovels and backhoes... Not a years supply but replacing damaged ones...

@@codyraugh6599 People gonna stupid.

Janeway transported a photon torpedo aboard a Borg probe and destroyed it in the episode Dark Frontier

What's so hard about Goa'uld? GO - AH - OOLD! lol

The best thing about them that you could track down every single piece of tech to the episode they acquired/developed/stole them. The tech continuity is fantastic in Stargate.

@@neutchain7838 yeah they did a great job at back engineering and working it into the storylines. Dont think we've seen a show do that before or since as well as they did.

@@The_Zilli Stargate was pretty unique in that regard, they started out with nothing like literally nothing. They went out and stole everything that fit through the gate lol. It was funny that they even adressed this in the show with some of the NID storylines.

@@neutchain7838 yeah they had such a natural progression of everything, which made it great and why we all dont want a reboot. Its literally like watching someone build a house brick by brick, even more so than Star Trek or Star Wars franchise and then coming in and saying we're going to blow it up and start anew. no other show did what they did... man do i miss SG1 still...

@@The_Zilli Loved that show I still rewatching it evwry now and then. I thought Atlantis was amazing too, more space battles and finally real aliens the Wraith lore was really cool. I liked the darker tone of Universe too, interesting characters and a beautiful soundtrack. Shame they cut short Atlantis for it only to cancel it for seasons later.

You ain't bullshitten!

It’s even funnier when you realize that the ship isn’t even max level because the show ended before they figured out how to manufacture ‘Ancient Drones’ than replace the non nuclear missiles with swarms of angry fireballs that don’t give a damn about shields and the rail guns with mini drone’s for bullets.

I wonder if it could 1vs1 the DeathStar ??? I would say YES - because it would not fight fair ^^

@@julonkrutor4649 Beam a few Gatebuster nukes inside. At bare minimum, it would be disabled. The Death Star will never get a hit on the 304 with its planet buster weapon...never. It's secondary weapons would only tickle its shields. But I'm guessing that you were being sarcastic.

@@johncee853 A few? More like all they have ... and they could not beam them to the really critical systems - because those are shielded ^^ Also, it was build to withstand a full scale attack of the imperial navey ... So tickle my be a bit underselling it. I would say the 304 fights at range and dances with it for as long as it can ^^

Tribbles the fleshy von newman critters that are so vast, so cute, so tasty, so incredibly Hilarious. " Tell me Worf, do they still sing songs about the great Tribble hunt?" Odo.

Where they were no trible at all.

After that it was included into the Geneva Conventions and Scotty was no longer allowed to do that :)

Russian ones are. US ones not so much, especially Skunkworks. What happens when you gather the most crazed, mad engineers across the US, throw em in a circus tent, and slap a cartoon skunk on it? The most badass things that ever flew, especially the Hopeless Diamond.

Are you familiar with "ARV's"? Not all science is fiction.

With enough cocaine, Skunkworks could probably build one of these irl. I'm only half joking.

Good old hermiot

Yep, the Asgard already knew how apocalyptic teleporting nukes could be, so they explicitly installed safeguards so that WOULDN’T happen. ….and so, of course, the humans asked them to please turn those safeguards off. xD “Your ass is on the line, too! :3 “

It's never explained why though. It's not like the Asgard were squeamish about that kinda thing.

​@@Alexander_KaleThe explaination was the asgard did not want humans to use their technology as a weapon. They feared humans would become just like the goa'uld of they did. An uplifted race given way more power than they could responsibly handle. This was also the reason the asgard gave us their knowledge at the end of unending but not give us their sizeable fleet of oneil class crusisers. Humanity had to earn the tech to teach them humilty for the power

@@drrohanjacob5343 That explains why the blocks were in place, yes. It does NOT explain however why Hermiod was annoyed at them wanting to use the teleporter as a weapon in that situation. Arguably, Thor did exactly the same thing to Heru'Urs forces back on Cimmeria when he made his first appearance, using the teleporter as a weapon of war. That was what I meant with them not being squeamish about that sorta thing.

He did bring up some good points on why he didn't like it, plus he used to be in the Navy.

@@travisbishop782 He hated everything about it. The fact that it was a successful design before the refit was completely ignored. He tried to pin all of its good bits purely on the asgard

Suggest to him that the Marines got control and just watch his reaction.

@@spartanx9293 To be fair, the Asgard did make it actually useful against more than the snakes.

@@chrisdufresne9359 It was serviceable against the wraith

True, but you could have mounted the plasma beams on ANYTHING to the same effect. The 304s were basically useless before they got plasma beams...

@@Alexander_Kale Pretty good military transport, bomber and shuttle all in one. And 16 scouts with air support potential for the ground troops on top. ;-)

@@Traumglanz True, but none of that you need a ship for. For small reconnossaince missions, you can use the stargate. even for delivering ordnance and air support, you can use the stargate, they do it once or twice. The BC series was specifically designed and built to combat Goa'uld Motherships in space, they just enver had the armament to achieve that. I think they even mention developing their own plasma cannons every now and again, that project just never went anywhere fast enough.

Referring to the Stargates...

Mostly in the Pegasus galaxy, also the "McCay Carter" whatever bridge thing. And super gates. And to hijack super gates

Fuck Lego, BlueBrixx will release one soon with Stargate Licence.

Not dumb* enough ;D But yes, gotta love how the Asgard came to us to use our superpower of “throw rock fast!” xD

Correction Apohis, Anubis was not a part just yet

@Groza_Dallocort Oh yeah I always mix them up lol

Janeway has been pointed out in Star Trek as somewhat as a war criminal and somewhat a maverick in her behavior in the delta quadrant and that includes that tactic in transporting a torp into a borg ship. Its true that Starfleet literally will always try to disable an opponent first especially before the Dominion War. SGI actually has this as a valid tactic which they will use if a opportunity presents itself. Honestly SGI literally created a new book into the art of ship busting.

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Janeway was the first captain to have to deal with such a situation, she stayed true to Starfleet and the federation as much as she could, under these circumstances not many would have done what she did, and we have the proof with the equinox

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Nonsense. There are plenty of situations where Starfleet Captains shot to kill. Beaming explosives into enemy ships simply is not an option in most cases. On one hand, because everyone has shields, transporters can be disrupted in a million ways - oh, and lets not forget, your OWN shields need to be down to do this - but also because the range is pitiful. Transporters only have a range of 40.000 km.

@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Perry Rhodan did the whole teleport anti-matter bombs or even just nukes into enemy ships already in the early 60s.

Daedalus class break down by the Templin Institute bar none the best breakdown of the ship.

@@Predator42ID checked it out during my break, indeed it was.

Quack bang, out!

Damn, someone beat me to it

There is a reason why none of the ships ever went up against an actual Goa'uld ship before getting plasma beams: Because they would have lost. If your shields can shrug off Super-Nukes, rail guns, nerfed or not, are not gonna cut it.

@@Alexander_Kale The Daedalus Class went up against plenty of Goa'uld ships before the plasma beam weapons. The problem is once the shields go up most ships were immune to the Daedalus weapons. The Daedalus worked best against un-shielded ships. This bit of information was known to SGC, and they avoided direct conflict as much as possible until they had an effective means to deplete shields. For the longest the Al'kesh was the limit of what the Daedalus could handle.

@@johnsmithfakename8422 Plenty? Like what? Off the top of my head I cannot remember a single engagement of a daedalus class actually shooting railguns at a Ha'tak. I certainly cannot remember a single instance of a Daedalus DAMAGING a ha'tak. And yeah, Daedalus being useless against anything larger than an Al'Kesh was kinda my point....

And that's never a warcrime the first time. 😁

In the case of the Earth stargate, it was dug up in Egypt in the early 20th century and then, once scientists figured what it was, it was moved to Cheyenne Mountain. It was placed there in the event unwanted guests came through the stargate, they could be bottled up inside the mountain and dealt with. In addition, the stargate was equipped with a metal shield that prevents passage through the gate if the gate was activated from the non-Earth side unexpectedly.

@@zyoninkiroand then there was the Antartic "beta" gate found deep under the south pole which was the original Earth Stargate. I still think the smartest thing the SGC ever did was the iris, simple and effective no Jaffa ever knew what they hit.

But it wouldnt be a movie if someone didnt use the star trek replicator to make a bug type replicator...

You are so right. And Hammond set the mound on the hard edged human ship commander all but one commander would follow. World building wise, it was perfect because this was the first ship. And it needed to look like that. If you looked at the first versions of the Kaga it is a mess. But then they learned and made a better ship. And considering it was put together to deal with the very real likely hood of extinction, it made sense.