Another South Korean disaster you may not have heard of was the Sealand Youth Training Center Fire in 1999, a "summer camp facility". Just like Daegu, the staff (who were drunk at the time) walked away leaving 23 people to burn instead of helping them escape, nearly all of them children under 10. Corruption, bribery and unsafe material in the construction played a role. I was in Seoul when the Daegu fires happened plus other events: the 2004 arrest of serial _iller Yoo Yeong Chul (who murdered 21 people), and the 2002 "Yangju highway incident" (a gross understatement of the event) where two yank terrorists ... I mean, "soldiers" intentionally ran over two teenage girls walking on the side of a road. I had left when the 2008 Namdaemun fire happened (a pointless arson attack on a historic site). There were also serial arson and vandalism attacks on buddhist temples and violent assaults on buddhists perpetrated by fundamentalist christians. Because the majority in SK are christians, nobody had the decency or honesty to call it religious terrorism.

Of course we want to watch it!

I would recommend a warm-hearted dramedy 2009 "Cheer Up, Mr. Lee" with the great Cha Seung-won to get the human story with the Daegu fire backdrop. Both touching and funny, it ties to this tragic event. One of my favorite movies ever. Cha Seung-won's acting as a brain-damaged father of a suck child he "didn't know" is brilliant. Please watch to understand how it all ties together.

​@@guessundheit6494No offense, but how could people not know about it. That said, the story must be kept alive - corruption, incompetence, captain's cowardice, citizens'-led rescue efforts and the long term lingering aftermath (including rescuers' trauma) should never be forgotten. 💔🖤

A story about the gas explosion you mentioned would be great.

So many lives lost due to one person with poor mental health. He stated in the video that he showed remorse for what he did and clearly understood that he had some serious mental issues

Those texts destroyed me. I was already horrified by their shared fate, but those final messages...I'm still crying 5 minutes later. And yes, that one cut deeply. But at least that person got to express his feelings before it was too late.

That absolutely broke me too.

Same

Yeah, I couldn't stop from tearing up seeing that one.

Ignoring being told to stay put is the main message from this channel overall, I think.

Unless there's only one exit. ​@@Liusila

Ferry Sewol was on my mind during this, and the Sampoong collapse. It’s horrifying to see a government completely fail at protecting and rescuing its citizens in such a large scale, and then to see it happen again and again. Truly heartbreaking for how many people are/were needlessly affected by negligence and poor safety.

Majority of 'stay put' warnings are coming from somewhere where there is no danger to the operators or security. No way, I go with my gut- we all should. Those that ignored the warnings to stay survived 9/11 too.

@@jonathanlandau-litewski7405 I was just going to post something about 9/11. Those idiots working security, at the doors of the South Tower, telling everyone to stay inside, so as not to further hinder firefighters responding to the North Tower, ended up getting rushed by the growing crowd, when tower two was hit. Might be why the death toll was only 2,700 or so, rather than 10,000. Many made it out before South Towers collapse. Once that happened, the fire chief ordered all his men to pull out, and leave North Tower.

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Thank you for sharing this. It’s good that they are now educating people on safety. I just hope that nobody ever needs to use this information. 🙂🐿🌈❤️

If its okay can i ask how they are teaching this? Like did that release a P.S.A or posters around the subway. Im genuinely curious about how on mass they could teach this or do they just teach employees at the subway?

Do the Trains have manual door release mechanisms and people didnt manage to operate them? Or wasnt that a thing back then? Because thats what confuses me the most. Even before the official evacuation order came, I cant imgine sitting there calmly waiting for the Doors to be opened while watching the Train next to me burning.

​@@chaoticcatartistCorrect. There's a lot of PSA posters about subway safety are posted on subway station and subway. And screen monitor in the subway(to show route map, stations, and some commercials) show PSA too.

Korea has a strong culture of responsibility, not always fairly. Though I do consider it better than the US where avoiding responsibility is the name of the game.

The two drivers and their bosses were blamed as much for the loss of life as they were for trying to cover it up and skirt responsibility.

@@blackroberts6290 Yeah, colonialism is to blame. Go play another game of “Among us” and try not to think too much, you might hurt yourself.

I disagree I'm sorry but involuntary manslaughter exists for a reason, he was in charge of them and whether it was an accident or not. All those people he locked in the train died because of him directly. 5 years sounds fair for 70 lives

@@TranscendentaLobo27 okay

Man's the Wikipedia of KZfaq. As neutral as it should get.

I agree. I appreciate the straightforward telling of the disaster without the dramatics.

I especially respect how he doesn't assign blame or malice where it isn't due. So many people in the comments are calling the 2nd train driver a murderer without a second thought when it's so clearly explained how unfair that assessment is.

Totally agree!

​@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_XxWikipedia neutral... lol

I’m up there with ya. I’m a fireman. We do our damndest to keep people and property safe, and understandably things happen, and we try to mitigate that, with fire safety education and building codes and inspections. Then you have these (colourful language omitted) running ‘round setting random things on fire for (more colourful language omitted) reasons. Makes our job harder, puts people, property, and us at risk, for no tangible benefit. And those are just stationary fires. Our area has brush, but not forest fires, so when I see the fires out west, Fort McMurray, California, all that gorgeous forest destroyed (unnecessarily, as opposed to normal cycles), if nothing else, breaks my heart.

@@jaysmith1408 thank you for what you do. The firefighters have saved my neighborhood from destruction many times. I’ve moved to a new state with better forest management protocols, and less degenerates who want to burn things.

Most likely some climate activists.

​@@thesebadseedsThat makes no sense if it is the case.

Fires get my anxiety ratcheted way up. Equestrian Camp during one of the then worst fires. The camp was constantly reeking of smoke and the horses were stressed out. Lightning bolt hit a dry mountainside, and the rest of the day, smoke was drifting into the amusement park I worked at. We could see the flames on the other side of the ridge. Summer job. We started with a group question, “What would you grab if you had to evacuate for a wildfire?” From the windows, we could see the mass of smoke of the Indian Gulch Fire. I went over to where we’d placed our bags, picked up two, led my old half-blind dog over, “I grabbed these this morning.” Coworkers were immediately offering me and my dog a place to stay. The fire had suddenly gotten Real.

Or for that matter, when something/some place is said to be "fireproof"

Absolutely insane. As soon as i heard plastic and vinyl, I knew it was going to be horrendous.

Yeah, it's definitely not a black-and-white issue. People 100% deserve access to healthcare (including mental healthcare), but that in NO way excuses anyone from harming others. It's just a shitty situation all the way around.

Just goes to show that if you have someone in your life who is having mental struggles and they make threats, you have to take it seriously.

Yeah... If that had been America, someone probably would have gone up in a high place with a rifle at some public event, or shot up a school. In Korea, some a7sehole sets fire to an Underground train full of people. Someplace else, they'll mow into a crowd of shoppers with a lorry or truck of some sort, or fly an airliner into a mountain, or the sea... In most places now, you can't buy petrol in just any container, and I'm pretty sure that most places in America, even, you can't just wander into a gunstore and buy a gun without filling out some forms, or at the _very_ least, showing some I/D. Many shopping streets and open~air marketplaces are now protected by bollards and air regulatory agencies have tightened up cockpit manning procedures and mandated psychological check~ups of pilots; and I think that all of these are sensible measures. However, the fact that 'nutters' have found so many ways of making innocent members of the public pay for their grievances and obsessions should be a warning (to gun - control advocates, for example,) that such measures can at best be only an inconvenience to homicidal 'whackjobs' (using the clinically preferred term), or perhaps prevent them from acting on the spur of the moment. You're always going to be faced with the human ingenuity factor (and saving exceptions like Ted 'Unabomber' Kascynski, few of these people turn out to be Einsteins!) Not to absolve the taxi driver of blame for a second (unless his stroke kinda 'burnt out' his sense of right and wrong, which I sort of doubt), but I have to wonder whether he wasn't correct in saying that he'd been let down by his doctors, and the South Korean mental health system. Indeed, he, himself, seems to have proven his whole point! To quote the Captain from the Paul Newman film, 'Cool Hand Luke', "There are some people you just can't reach..." And it's true that we used to lock up too many people too readily and for far too long in psychiatric facilities -- but letting this guy out when they did seems like one Hell of a goof!

@@richiehoyt8487 yes, there are forms (and ID required) to purchase a firearm required to be filled out. Form 4473. The licensed gun stores turn over these forms to the ATF for record.

​@@richiehoyt8487As fucked up as it sounds him taking a rifle to shoot up a Metro would probably kill far less people than the fire he started

Reflex training really is the best method. When you're in a shocking scenario, you can't think straight. Pre-rehearsed actions can give you precious seconds that mean the difference between life and death.

Definitely. It can be hard to keep your head straight in a shocking and scary situation, but when you've physically practiced and rehearsed what to do, that muscle memory can act without much conscious thought. Safety training and drills may feel silly or annoying, but you'll be grateful for them if/when you're suddenly in the real deal.

I worked for a school that trains medical professionals and it wasn’t a hospital, but it had real facilities that could be used for treating people in disaster scenarios. We had mass casualty drills all the time, so if there was a local incident, we could provide emergency services and care to injured people. I don’t work there anymore, but I believe those drills helped me be able to respond quickly and logically in emergencies (which happens more often than I thought it would now that I have children with a severe lack of self preservation instinct😅).

I work in a job that is (supposed to) involve this. A humorous but informative take seems to really help people retain the information that will ultimately save their life. Unfortunately, I also work in a place that is conceivably a target for a mass shooting (I'm in the US, and in a historical building associated with education, travel, and Civil Rights) and all training doesn't mean much when you introduce guns into the equation. The best case is that people have time to run or fight back.

It's always the peons that get the slap.

It is definitely a horrific and tragically repeated scenario: higher-ups make the mistakes which lead to or escalate a bad situation, yet those responsible higher-ups manage to shirk the blame to some alternate scapegoat. The blame of the extended loss of lives from the sinking of the USS Indianapolis being put on the ship's captain rather than U.S. naval command who botched the safety of the Indianapolis as well as the search and rescue afterwards is another very notable example of this responsibility-scapegoat-shirking. There definitely needs to be a concerted effort to ensure that in such situations the responsible cannot be permitted to escape justice and those (more or less) innocent do not fall victim to falsified blame. A good start is to always follow the money.

While I can agree that the driver of the first train getting jail time is somewhat bullshit if the metro drivers had no formal safety training and can agree that the higher ups who--of course--seem to have avoided jail definitely deserved more blame, the second driver being jailed is more appropriate just because all of the actions he took were stupid even in a vacuum. He maybe can't be blamed for the master key thing with the doors, though I would think he would know taking it would seal all the doors if they weren't yet opened and thus should have left it instead of properly panicking. But everything else? Between seeing all of the smoke billowing out into the station from the flaming train right next to his and also probably being able to see parts of his own train catching fire, he should have *immediately* let everyone out since basically everyone knows how dangerous fires. Even if the train was fireproof the smoke would just eventually started suffocating everyone anyway, which one has to hope is how everyone in his train died instead of avoidably burning to death due to his sheer idiocy. I'm honestly surprised he only got 5 years for getting 80 people killed.

@@MusicoftheDamned I would argue that not everyone knows how dangerous fires are. Yes, fire can burn... but translating that mentally and emotionally into taking appropriate action is a different story. Watching TV shows and movies about fires, where the hero escapes with death-defying moves, could lull viewers into thinking they, too, can escape unscathed. But watching KZfaq videos about real fires-- one where a crazy person is trying to light up her car and her house, and onlookers try to intervene, while the viewer is waiting seemingly forever for the fire department to arrive, and meanwhile the entire house is going up in flames, and catching the neighboring houses on fire-- Well, that certainly gives perspective. I will also mention the Colorado law enforcement officers who seemingly did not know that leaving their patrol car on train tracks, then handcuffing their vic- I mean, suspect, and placing her in said vehicle on the train tracks, and shutting her in, would lead to a bad outcome. Many people just have no understanding of obvious and imminent danger. Oh, and I'll also mention my neighbors that shoot off illegal skyrockets, which explode over my house and drop bits and pieces of flammable, explosive, and toxic debris all over my house and yard, in summer during a California drought when it's not legal to water your lawn enough to keep it alive, let alone from catching fire. I don't think they really understand what would happen if their house caught fire with their generous stash of incendiary explosives inside. I do, which is why I hose down my yard and house every fourth of July. To heck with water restrictions!

@@EXROBOWIDOW I mean, you can argue that, and I see where you're coming from, especially as someone else who lives in California and thus had and still has to deal with idiots shooting off illegal fireworks multiple times a year every goddamn year, even when it was bone dry. But all those examples really do is highlight what we all already know in that "common sense" isn't actually that common and that *a lot* of people can be *really* fucking dumb, even professionals. Both that George Carlin line about intelligence of "the average person" and that line from the first _Men in Black_ about "A person is smart. People being dumb, panicky animals and you know it" come to mind here as they often do on this channel and so many others (and, unfortunately, real life). In fact, American cops are especially a bad counterexample for this since even if you have positive feelings towards them overall, there's at least that one Supreme Court case that literally discourages police departments from hiring officers who are too smart. Even if IQ and IQ tests are largely bullshit with a dark history based in equally bullshit eugenics, that's still *pretty* telling. Mind you, I *don't* think driver #2 should have gotten life or anything. I also understand that some people freeze up even when they know what to do and especially if they don't. And yet it's still pretty clear that his various actions and mostly inactions are what got almost 80 people avoidably killed, which is why I disagreed with the OP that he's blameless unlike driver #1--who largely is but got almost as mich time--even if the higher ups who got away with it--like they almost always do--are *also* to blame.

Horrible way to go.

Are teh windows used in such vehicles actually glass or what? Just wandering if there is a tool you could take with you to smash the windows in case of fire or emergency.

@@chatteyj In every version of train and bus I know in Germany, all windows are glass, but there are emergency hammers in every carriage, very visible to everyone. Some windows have special gaskets and markings where to smash, and a small sign reading "In case of danger, smash the glass.".

​@@chatteyjno, it's glass but I think it's laminated and strengthened safety glass. Been on a bus that has a had a rock thrown at it and the window shatters a bit but it stayed in one piece. The windows on our buses have little stickers telling you to strike there with the little hammer attached to the frame to escape.

That's a trend I notice watching this channel. Most often things don't improve until a tragedy has happened.

It's just a pity that there often has to be a tragedy in a country for improvements to happen. I wish they'd learnt from other countries first.

​@@AlanTuringWannabe Humans are only so capable of forward-thinking. "Safety regulations are written in blood" is, more often than not, referencing the fact that we're not particularly good at figuring out what the biggest risks in a given scenario are until they've already happened. In order to learn from your mistakes, you have to make them first.

Safety Legislation is often written in blood.

@@AlanTuringWannabe Because no one wants to put money on preventing something that didn't happen yet.

Oh, that's not going to end badly at all! /s

​@@stormisuedonym4599but it is also quite a reasonable response. If authority figures telling people to stay put caused more deaths than people not staying put, then it is probably much better to not listen to similar authority figures telling you to stay put in case of emergencies. Sure, situational awareness is always necessary, it matters in what way you don't stay put.

@@kumaahito3927 It's reasonable if you choose to ignore probability, sure.

They listened pretty well during COVID 🤔

That's what I would have done, if I were the driver of the second train. If you see fire or a lot of smoke just blast on through the station, and proceed to the next one. If the power is lost, for any reason, while inside the tunnel, open the doors, so everyone can escape the train, and flee down the tunnel. Kind of strange, the second driver didn't go with instinct, and just leave the station quickly.

I went to Berlin before the pandemic and enjoyed taking the U-Bahn. I used to live in Chicago which has a good L/subway and bus system. I live in Texas now and driving is horrible. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

The owner himself died in that fire but thought he made the hotel fireproof some of the worst blazes were in places considered fireproof

Did you know 5 years after towering inferno a top floor fire in a 40 story high rise resulted in power to elevators knocked out everyone evacuated by stairs fire chief ordered only top 5 floors evacuated but everybody evacuated saying no towering infernos for them the temperature outside that day was 5 degrees and windy it seems like maybe there should be more movies like that and that will make people more aware of the dangers

OH GOOD CALL!

Yup. I read an article about that case years ago.

As an Atlanta native this would be a great episode

He panicked. There was no need to take the key with him but he likely did this out of muscle memory (it will have been some procedure to take the key out when leaving and handing over to another driver, I’m guessing)

Empathise with the guy a little - he likely never intended to cause the entrapment of passengers or the abandonment of them. He almost certainly didn't realise the doors hadn't opened in time. In the moment, anxious and in the dark about the situation, he reached out to dispatchers for instructions, likely was not adequately trained for emergencies of this nature, and in following the instructions his first act was to open the doors. This can take a few seconds to begin, but in his mind, hit button, doors open, end of story. Second, to take the key, almost certainly out of pure habitual instinct coupled with a misunderstanding (his failure to realise that the doors weren't far enough into the sequence to continue opening). Many people, given the same situation and the same training, would have performed similarly poorly in judgement.

I agree. Shameful cowardice.

@@chocolatefrenzieya You try being in his shoes with no warning of what's to come. Bloody hell, read the replies above.

@@OutbackCatgirl I guess some ppl are just better in dreadful situations...not this train driver unfortunately... Plenty of vid's of ppl in charge doing their best to save their customers or passengers .. I couldn't sleep at night if I knew my passengers cooked to death... 😢😢

Many people simply can't be helped without the use of medication, and only the very worst patients can be compulsorily given them. You see this all the time in the United States, with thousands of insane people who can't function normally but who refuse to take medication. Many end up permanently homeless.

@@derek96720 There are plenty of patients in psychiatric hospitals who take their medication. What they also need is therapy, and general emotional support and support in building better life experience in general. Just throwing pills at a mentally ill person and expecting things to magically get better doesn’t work, this is what most psychiatric hospitals already do anyway.

@@derek96720There is a movement to bring back state institutions and make it easier to involuntarily commit people. I suspect the effort is an attempt to deal with the unhoused and I’d be lying if I said that it didn’t make me uncomfortable.

A lot of people would benefit from vitamins, if more research would be done despite harmaceutical companies not being able to profit

@@crow-jane It should.

Too concerned with time, not concerned enough with safety. Driver of the second train reported seeing smoke, Control were aware of a fire. He should've been stopped outside the station and left in the tunnel bore. Furthermore when he saw the extent of the fire he should've omitted his station stop, without instruction or hesitation. It sounds like a lack of experience and training

And the person who started the fire on purpose isn’t? The control could definitely have done a much better job, and they definitely made things much worse, but let’s not forget this incident started with deliberate arson/terrorism rather than someone’s incompetence (that would be the Sewol Ferry Disaster).

I assume you mean seoul, I've also being on the seoul one and completely agree but having been to deagu recently the safey measures are no where near as good as seoul and quite pitiful in comparision

What's also pleasant is the air-conditioning during the hot and humid summers and gentle heating during the cold winter days! But I heard recently that the Seoul trains are now taking their seats out to accommodate more standing passengers.

I’m an American and lived in Seoul for many years. The Korean subway is exceptional and puts those in the U.S. to shame. I ride the DC Metro now and it’s god awful. The Korean airports put ours to shame also…they are so modern and nice.

"unwell" people 😂😂😂😂 Good job kowtowing to pure evil

There are certainly psychopaths who would do this without any reason, but please don’t stop your thought process with „evil people“. There’s more to it! The taxi driver was in very bad shape mentally. Mental health is a major factor in these kinds of attacks to public people. It’s important to have a proper, and big enough mental health system. And access to it for all people, regardless their social or cultural position.

@@spaltmass Stop infantilizing and enabling the bad behavior of the mentally ill.

Nope. That fire was in 2002, I was in South Korea when it happened. Look up the 2008 Namdaemun fire, where another selfish mentally ill individual caused millions in damage. The difference then was Namdaemun Gate being a historic site that was destroyed, no people were hurt. The Namdaemun Gate is in the middle of a major road in Seoul, there's no way to access it while traffic is moving.

@@stormisuedonym4599this Like I get the dude was mentally unstable but he still was trying to light up containers of gas on a train He was evil, just because you’re mentally unstable doesn’t make you not guilty and or evil

Thank you for that typo, my aunt and I have now coined the phrase, 'if you think there's about to be a scnadle, skedaddle!' And yeah, the driver of that first train _absolutely_ got shoved under the train in getting a prison sentence; he had fuckall for training, and was busy evacuating people! The second train's driver probably also didn't deserve prison, but he probably should've been barred from working in public transport again. The dispatcher who told him to flee without evacuating his passengers first; _that_ guy needed prison!

He has an email in the description. Try emailing him with your suggestion. He was courteous enough to respond to the ones I sent! :)

@@daffers2345 👍done

I would then also like to see a video on the Harmelen train collision, on January 8, 1962, which, to this day, is the deadliest railroad accident in the Netherlands.

Thank you for serving!

@@daffers2345 never even got shot at ;)

There is an Email address in the video description where you can send him suggestions on which incidents he could cover. He reads and answers those emails.

It seems unwise to rely on instructions from people who are not present.

two* you forgot the train driver

Exactly! Imagine getting off- but abandoning all of your passengers?! 😢😢​@@johnnysilverhand7274

The train driver wasn’t selfish, he had assumed the doors were open, and was unaware the key removal would close them. He was at worst negligent, and should’ve checked, but the amount of smoke would’ve made hanging around to check harder than it sounds

@@Prohass Remind me not to trust you if you're in charge! His passengers welfare meant nothing to him, he should have checked the doors were open... I get it was smokey, and he was probably super scared, but he let over 100 roast alive... Not a stand up thing to do...

​@@johnnysilverhand7274Kim Dae Wan is the only one to blame here he's the root caused that perished 190 lives by a failed suicide in all places in public subway that clearly he wants others to drag to his suffering the 2 subway drivers are also victim the 2 caught and overwhelmed in the situation in which that they cannot comprehend and cant think a proper judgement remember their lives are also in danger unfortunately its fatal judgement of the 2 drivers caused by panic

The driver was used as a scapegoat. The company TOLD HIM to go to the head office and dont say anything.

That's because the government believes that health and safety is a socialist concept. Actually it is, but that doesn't make it invalid. The capitalist mindset us, "they had a choice to use the subway or not", I.e it's always the victim's fault.

The Sampoong Mall Disaster, and of course the SEWOL ferry tragedy. South Korea has a huge history of corruption and cover ups. Its incredible.

Scapegoating employees who had no training for the situation they found themselves in, and even following direct orders during the situation, doesn't mean 'someone who was directly responsible' was punished. None of the people who authorised cheap plastic interiors instead of fire-retardant materials were punished. None of the people who skimped on employee training time and costs by not allowing for proper evacuation protocols to be designed and practices was punished. Instead it was the untrained employees who took the blame for the CEO's who put them in that situation. And those cheapskates who went for profit, those who were responsible for the MEANS with which employees have to ensure the safety of their passengers, were in the clear from any blame.

The drivers made mistakes in the panic of the moment, one doing his best to save people, one following the instructions he was given. Yes, their actions contributed to the death toll, but they were doing the best they could in an emergency, in a panic, with inappropriate training. The people who should have taken RESPONSIBILITY were the people who made decisions to save money, decisions that were NOT in the heat of the moment.

Do you mean the train driver? Or the arsonist?

unfortunately depending on where the fire was this could have been the right call. Had the fire been in the entrance or stairs (like the London underground fire) then the safest thing to do would be to drive the train to the next station (again like the London underground fire)

Shallow take. This was not part of his training, and this situation was extraordinary. The blame lies first with the arsonist (and indirectly, the hospital for failing to adequately provide mental health services or react to his suicidal statements), and secondarily with the operator of the subway for fostering a lax safety culture, lack of adequate training in emergency evacuation procedures, especially in drilling drivers in their inherent agency to evacuate without being told by dispatch - remember, drivers are doing a mundane, regular job for the vast majority of their time and do not *expect* an emergency. In such situations they will fall into three main categories: Those who keep their head, those who panic and act instinctually, and those that enter shock. The driver was mostly the latter. In shock, he sought out advice from the one source he believed he could trust, dispatch. He followed their instructions. And he also followed, absolutely without conscious thought, the regular operating policy of metro and subway trains: When exiting the cab, take the keys with you. This is the daily instictive training. When there's lax safety culture, you don't get it drilled into you that *if evacuating, you should leave the key,* he likely just hit the "open all doors" button and automatically grabbed the key because of this lack of training. He had zero reason to think about it because the button opens the doors, and he was leaving the cab, therefore the doirs would open and *it never occurred to him that the master key also locked out the doors*. As soon as he left the train, he walked into Hell. Thick black smoke, burning eyes, foul air, incredibly limited visibility. Even if he turned to look down the side of his train, he wouldn't be able to see the nearest passenger door, let alone the rest of the train. He had zero reason to think the doors were not open due in part to the training he had likely received. Smoke would have immediately filled the train as he opened the driver's door, adding to the urgency of the clear instruction to GTFO dispatch gave him.

@@sfsin3380 This is also a very excellent point. Rash instinctual action can lead to deaths just as easily as inaction.

I thought I'd bury this in the replies, but...i also suffered intense harm from staff when I was admitted to a psychiatric facility and I'm still dealing with the effects to this day. I might be able to imagine a little bit what that man went through and what it did to his mind at his most vulnerable moments. I'm grateful to have people around me who care and listen. It's truly horrifying to consider where (or who) I would be without them.

​@itsdrgrandpa agreed the mental health system has alot to be desired. Especially the stigma and hatred for certain disorders I've seen a few therapists in a attempt to heal my disorder the down side is if you're not a danger to yourself they go you're fine and toss you back out even if you know you're not. Takes a lot of searching to find one who understands and will help.

Yay 🎉!

What's the name of the movie?

Dick move not to name the movie😂

Those are smart things to do.

Especially because in a tunnel environment (1) smoke fills tunnels until it finds an outlet, which generally immediately provides a stack effect, and (2) the surrounding concrete or rock both reflects heat back into the fire and radiates intense heat for hours after the fire is out.

Yeah that wait here for instructions, stay inside, stay seated stuff happens all over. Grenfell Towers people got that line but they knew they lived in a death trap so lots didn't wait.

Training caused this. in daily operation you always take the key when exiting the cab unless switching ends or being relieved by the next shift driver physically entering the cab. It just sucks that the emergency training clearly didn't drill into drivers *not* to pull the key.

Or to ensure all the doors were open first😮

@@OutbackCatgirl Exactly. The human brain takes a lot of shortcuts to improve its efficiency or it wouldn't be able to do as much as it does. One of these is to put together little routines of things that you do frequently so that eventually you just need to start the routine and it will run through the whole sequence pretty much automatically. Preparing to exit the cab would have been one of those routines, and with no counter-training about how and when to do it differently, stopping it to make changes on the fly in a highly stressful situation is actually quite difficult. It's why emergency training is so important, so you have some kind of precedent for making changes to the routine. I still place *some* blame on him but there needed to be safety training for anyone in a position of responsibility for that many people, and of course he and his supervisors all get complete blame for attempting to cover up his actions afterwards. (Tragically this is also the reason behind a lot of incidents where babies are left in cars accidentally, which is what I was researching when I learned about it - it most often happens when there's a change in routine like the normal babysitter isn't able to work, so a parent needs to drop the baby off somewhere else on the way to work. Because they're so used to getting in the car, driving the same route to their workplace, grabbing their bag from the passenger seat, locking up, going inside, they run through the whole thing without any kind of conscious thought. A really simple change that can prevent it is putting your bag in the back seat so you can see anything out of the ordinary when you get it out.)

The driver of the second train fled without telling to passangers to do the same

​@@jessicalulila5709He had no idea what to do. Opening the doors just filled the train with deadly smoke. He had no emergency training. He asked his superiors what to do and they told him to just leave.