The damage that 4G pitches are causing to rugby players

The damage that 4G pitches are causing to rugby players | RugbyPass Offload

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2 жыл бұрын

Jack Nowell spoke passionately about the effect that 4G pitches are having in rugby. A 4G pitch is made with synthetic grass without a need for rubber crumb. Ryan Wilson and Max Lahiff also spoke about them.
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@rhodrijenkins102 2 жыл бұрын

I hate playing on these. The burns, the rubber bits, the harder ground. Should be banned

@zw5509 2 жыл бұрын

Many years ago I played a game in an American Football Stadium on Artificial turf! It was horrible. Hard as a rock and it burned like carpet burns! We were warned to wear elbow and knee pads but it did not help much. Long time to recover from. It was a top team University team field too! I was raised and played most of my senior career in Glasgow. At a high level too! The weather was great. Liked playing on wet pitches! Slowed the backs down so props could get them!

@jbee9713 2 жыл бұрын

If they were made nice and soft permanently, they would be perfect for rugby, as I'm 130kg and I only like playing on softer ground, or it's too hard on joints

@shinywarm6906 2 жыл бұрын

We're changing the whole game to protect player health - but saving a bit of £ is still more important. Crazy

@Connor6569 2 жыл бұрын

Because it's all about money. The only reason why they care about 'player health' is so they won't get sued.

@erikrosenmeier6086 2 жыл бұрын

I am an American. I have played and trained on artificial turf all my life, with some poor grass fields mixed in. It want until recently I played on a high quality grass field. It was awesome. So much better in contact and the ball bounced much better than I expected. In addition I didn’t get any turf burns and, even though it was 97 degrees F (I think mid-thirties Celsius), I was not boiling like I would have been on turf.

@gordonhenderson1194 2 жыл бұрын

I have been relatively injury free for a while, but every time I play on 4G I get tendinitis in my knee. The stuff is brutal, especially at lineout time, jumping is awful on it.

@username9175 2 жыл бұрын

I never heard of these 4G pitches but it sounds like a disaster of an idea, I hope they revert back to real grass pitches soon

@jakehowie442 Жыл бұрын

They are copying the NFL, since they are cheaper to maintain and can be multipurpose. Though tackling and sliding across the ground, even slamming onto the ground is dangerous

@alexthegordonhighlander1159 2 жыл бұрын

These pitches are hazardous on so many levels. Wound infections are some of the scariest. Who would have thought rubbing rubber into open wounds was toxic.

@dimvrco7350 2 жыл бұрын

The thing is as great as 4G pitches are for an extra revenue stream and to centralize training and playing in one facility, the bottom line is the injury rate is clearly higher. Player welfare should come before money especially at the top level. You cant beat a grass pitch especially in those rainy december games where its shove it up your shirt and pick and go! I agree with Marler.

@TheChuckboi 2 жыл бұрын

The best teams on the southern play on grass thats why they on a different level.

@caleb4369 2 жыл бұрын

Playing Australian football I can’t imagine playing rugby on artificial turf. It’s illegal to play contact sports on artificial turf(cricket pitches must be covered)

@nickybutt9733 Жыл бұрын

not true North Shore Bombers in Sydney play on it

@tonydague7600 2 жыл бұрын

Cleveland, OH USA study shows injury incidence is 58% higher for athletes playing on artificial turf.

@Winnepausakee 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the 1970's artificial turf was all the rage in US gridiron football fields. It was ballyhooed as reducing knee and ankle injuries by 85%. 10 years later it was found that knee and ankle injuries had INCREASED by 85 %. Lets add to this the following: in the 60's the Olympic physician, Dr Hanley of Bowdoin College, Brunswick, Maine, had patented a "Hanley Heel", which was a hard rubber disc that replaced the heel cleats on field sport shoes. His research determined that hip, knee, ankle injuries were more likely to occur when the foot was locked into the ground by the 6 plus cleats. Removing the back cleats meant that a blow to the side of the leg would allow the leg to turn with the blow and reduce the chances of injury. I played rugby for 19 years and played with only nubs where the back cleats would be. No injuries. How much worse are the physics of this on an artificial surface? Has anyone bothered to do the research? As one guest here suggests, "follow the money".....the answer is probably know for the reason suggested. Lots of BS about player safety and yet 3 seasons ago a Welsh fullback was playing in a match after having had 3 concussions in the previous 5 months. Not only are players bigger because of foolish changes in the Laws or their interpretations making it necessary (to include subs), but now the fields are allowing greater pace. Concern for player safety? Nah......

@KC-lo8jz 2 жыл бұрын

Cardiff arms park 4g is great, but I’ve played on some awfully hard ones like Canton RFC. The surface needs to be standardised as there’s no one type of 4g

@finn54123 2 жыл бұрын

I played on one once but I think it was only made for football, didn’t realise it was actually a thing to play rugby on them

@edwardtweedie7729 2 жыл бұрын

Have one of these at my club, my knees look like they have been through cheese graters when I come off

@oscarmaxwell713 2 жыл бұрын

I play on a 4g pitch as my home pitch funded by the English rfu and its quality, it’s clean, it’s fast and it’s soft. It’s not as bad as people make it out and it should definitely not be banned.

@bitofeverything10 2 жыл бұрын

One opinion of an amateur versus a number of professionals on this vid… I know who I rate the opinion of 😂

@omidamani3484 2 жыл бұрын

@@bitofeverything10 why does he need to be a pro to give a first hand experience on playing the same sport on the same pitch. If he was giving an opinion on what it takes to make it in rugby I could understand your comment, the fact he is commenting from a subjective experience is not only ok but I too agree with him, I've played trained many a game on them and I like them. Muddy divetted grass pitches that freeze over in the winter or waterlog in the rain can also be a problem. These guys are pros and one mentioned the pellets are carcinogenic. Sorry but he is a pro and scientifically wrong. So you still only listen to the pros ?

@jakehowie442 Жыл бұрын

Why not fund desso pitches instead then, much better long term investment?

@srw_cricket2976 4 ай бұрын

From what I’ve read, avoid rubber crumb completely due to the carcinogenic risk. There was one comment about pre-season training and the heat haze from the artificial pitch - imagine the rubber crumb venting, emitting those carcinogens and being inhaled? Rubber crumb should be banned, it appears to be a serious health and safety ticking time bomb.

@connorbaldwin2848 2 жыл бұрын

I've played a majority of rugby in my life on artificial turf, grass is so much better. Shame grass isn't as common in the US

@rugbydaydreamin 2 жыл бұрын

Wearing rugby-specific, or worst soccer/football, cleats on these 4G pitches is a catastrophe, at least for me. Since the laws have been relaxed on the types of boots you can use I've gone strictly to gridiron-football cleats for playing on synthetic surfaces. Low profile, molded with aggressive/off center toe cleats have been worlds better in preventing rolled ankles and even hamstring pulls from awkward cuts/jukes both in attack and defense. As a Prop I love my Adidas Kakari on real turf in wet conditions, but in NorCal grass fields are both hard packed and in rural areas, which is

@danwoodward8726 2 жыл бұрын

100% agree they should be banned. Played on Highland RFC's all new, all weather 4G pitch, 2nd game on in the middle of winter and it still managed to freeze over by half time. By full time i'd lost so much skin of my knee's i could see the fat. Missed the next 3 games because of one awful pitch.

@aramanon 2 жыл бұрын

I am an amateur player and I sick of people looking at me funny for kicking off about these pitches. I hate finishing a game with bloody elbows, rubber in my nose and all my clothes and sore everything. Keep them for hockey

@aramanon 2 жыл бұрын

So sorry if the TV product is not up to scratch and variables in our game including soft pitches make people have to do a bit of work. If you have to make it entertaining every week regardless of injuries weather or sportsmanship you should bring in Hulk Hogan and we'll have WWE rugby.

@Moneyalmenial 2 жыл бұрын

Love the book club

@JAMESM-re2jg 2 жыл бұрын

I don't play Rugby, but I even HATE playing on them for Football. I've taken the skin off my knees many times & it takes weeks and weeks to heal. Rugby is the last thing I'd want to play on a 4G pitch.

@bobstephens5599 2 жыл бұрын

4G for training, grass for matches.

@oscarmaxwell713 2 жыл бұрын

At non premiership level the grass pitches are harder than quality 4g pitches.

@moonlightskys1405 2 жыл бұрын

Oh shit I have a match one a 4g pitch tmr

@TheAllthegoodstuff 2 жыл бұрын

What are 4g pitches? Please?

@TheAllthegoodstuff 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't like NFL?

@Tianton1 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be picking scabs off my knees for weeks after

@Tyson8887 3 ай бұрын

Should play rugby in the snow

@justlooking4043 2 жыл бұрын

Hate playing on astro

@giteausuperstar 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it's nowhere near as bad as the pitches 99% of amateur players play on. August - October pitches can be hard as stone, December - February they can be hard as an ice rink.

@David-ud9ju 2 жыл бұрын

But you can grow the grass long which helps.

@xavierthompson339 2 жыл бұрын

This is a design issue

@donkeyalexander6466 2 жыл бұрын

Conspiracy theorists will blame this on 5G 😂

@AyeTVsco 2 жыл бұрын

poor ryan :(

@j.aguirre-mcmorrow1501 2 жыл бұрын

Burns week in week out... horrible to play on

@alldaydevo 2 жыл бұрын

Can't you grow grass?

@clucas101 2 жыл бұрын

They tried Brawndo but it didn't work.

@paulmulryne8405 2 жыл бұрын

@@clucas101 it’s got what plants crave!

@mosesesitaba4359 2 жыл бұрын

I believe this type of artificial ground is dangerous to players and where is the safety of the players???which is paramount and that is what WRugby stands for. Players are more injured on artificial grounds and WR should banned hosting games in those types of ground.

@anthonini66 2 жыл бұрын

At least they’re not 5G pitches.

@pappagallagher2227 2 жыл бұрын

I understand problems artificial pitch but I've seen serious injuries from holes in normal pitch. Broken ankles and dislocated knees. It's tough for Lower grades to look after full-time natural pitch.

@TrueFilter 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but the elite level should be able to manage proper grass pitches.

@kai_au6765 2 жыл бұрын

Why tf would a professional stadium have holes in the grass🤦🏽‍♂️😂

@LB_die_Kaapie 2 жыл бұрын

BS plenty of countries have grass at lower levels. It just depends on if the club actually cares for the players (of all grades of all ages)..

@brucefale6132 2 жыл бұрын

Holes??? Are they using it as an artillery range too?

@pappagallagher2227 2 жыл бұрын

@@LB_die_Kaapie no damage can be undetected, been both codes 40 + years played in 4 different countries

@BillockDotCom 2 жыл бұрын

Fear mongering. As someone who plays and trains on one, it is a godsend. Our old pitch was a waterlogged nightmare. Occasional grazes aside, for the amateur game they are absolutely essential in keeping games going. Before the recent rain, our two grass pitches were hard and barren, and in fact, over the summer competitions, my team played in, my worst cut/graze (which was an open wound) came from a rock hard grass pitch. Stop spreading disinformation about the carcinogens involved with artificial pitches - this is just a hypothesis. You have a responsibility to maintain a level of factual correctness.

@ac1dP1nk 2 жыл бұрын

No rugby in summer

@callumgowar8191 2 жыл бұрын

Money, money, money!!!

@phuckewe5876 2 жыл бұрын

Ban them, its ridiculous

@ambermaple1381 2 жыл бұрын

I have turf burn scars so not a fan

@Mike-8686 2 жыл бұрын

Who's this way overenthusiastic n too loud chump..... bring back the Irish lass

@Mikegaryhouse 2 жыл бұрын

He is very loud!

@BaKer312213 2 жыл бұрын

Jacks audio is awful

@gregsoul 2 жыл бұрын

YOU DON'T PLAY RUGBY ON PLASTIC. You play on grass. Fuck 4G/fake grass pitches.

@AgentMoray 2 жыл бұрын

It would be a non-issue if rugby players dressed in tights like grid-iron football players do.

@patrickharrison871 2 жыл бұрын

not really, nfl players still get bad arm burns and rugby players spend more time on the ground than nfl players...

@stuarth43 2 жыл бұрын

oh dress like pansies you mean rugby is OUR GAME invented in UK

@alldaydevo 2 жыл бұрын

@@stuarth43 you should be a lot better at it

@usarugbyleagueunionfan 2 жыл бұрын

@@alldaydevo Touche

@brucefale6132 2 жыл бұрын

It's Rugby not ballet.

@jaynedavis3655 2 жыл бұрын

I love playing on these pitches, fast as , and unpredictable bounce, modern day players going soft , especially the pommies

@jestersage8700 2 жыл бұрын

Aren't modern day players the only ones who would have the chance to play artificial surfaces?

@joatmofa0405 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be nice that after every tackle the tackler goes over to the tackled person and apologises and offers a hug? just SMH

@k11vin 2 жыл бұрын

Deal with it or play another sport FFS, many people out there with no legs arms poverty no jobs money or food.

@rugbydaydreamin 2 жыл бұрын