Some Linux channel a few months ago: "I don't use Firefox anymore-" Also a Linux channel: "Please use Firefox"

Besides Firefox, I think there is a need for a push for more browsers built from the ground up, no matter how small. The OS space has a lot more variety beside the usual Windows/Mac/Linux, we need more flavours of Firefox's engine too.

Google apparently finances Firefox mainly to avoid an anti trust Lawsuit.

I agree. I think we just have to bear with Mozilla's corporate downside and keep using the good tech upside. I personally think it's an excellent browser. No other browser I've tried comes close.

I have used FF as my primary browser basically since it was first released and have never had any issues with it for the stuff I do. I will continue to do so until it's not updated anymore!

I quit using Mozilla products after their pro-censorship blog post. Just the principle of it. I feel like "free and open internet" means as little censorship and overarching control as possible. The post felt out of place and very hypocritical to their own supposed mission.

Honestly, pocket suggestions are great. Very interesting articles, not tabloid crap like MSN. Also, I want to point out that in Germany and Austria, Firefox on Desktop has actually a Market Share of 25%, which is way better than anywhere else. I wonder why

The problem with features of the browsers is that technically there is an organisation which talks out what should be the future directions of the browsers development and consists of the main browser-writing companies. Despite that if Google Chrome wants to add something what other participants don't agree with they are just adding it anyway and - because of a difference in popularity - these other browsers have to implement something similar anyway as otherwise the people will call them out for being "behind"

Could use LibreWolf? It's a non-affiliated fork of Firefox that is all about privacy.

Google and Microsoft deliberately block certain features in Firefox. They work perfectly if you change the User agent

My reason for staying away from Firefox was the CEO was willing to push censorship on their products.

I've been using Mozilla since 1995 on PCs and Firefox was the logical successor to that. It's about the only browser that's easy to switch between multiple operating systems. Recently I even added it to my iphone to replace Safari. Generally it's a great browser, but there are some performance issues with certain streaming sites. So I'll use Brave in those instances

I agree that Firefox is essential. I don't like Mozilla but recently I forced myself to get back to using firefox instead of brave and it's a good experience with some hardening, but I can't get over how stupid Mozilla is nowadays. Also, Safari is actually a good experience, minus being able to set a custom search engine.

multi account containers is the main reason I still use Firefox, really really good

Wasn't it the CEO of Mozilla Mitchell Baker who said "We need more than deplatforming?"

A good place as any to ask, recently shifted to Firefox but I absolutely cannot get used to the shortcut for a private window being ctrl shift p. And no matter how much I looked, there was no way to fix it (there are extensions but they work only if there is an open web page, i.e. doesn't work on the new tab page) Does anyone know of a way to change it? And maybe change the god awful color scheme in the settings menu (the slight purple and blue highlights)

I would if Vivaldi's features weren't THIS GOOD. Like to me they completely outweigh any morality

I was using Firefox for >10 years. I'm not exactly sure when I started, but it was before version 2.0. I have been using it for a very long time and if I have used something that long you have to piss me off big time to actually make me switch. Mozilla did just that. It was their UI that was chaging all the time and could not be configured. It was the settings that got reset by new "features" for no reason. It was how they treated Addons when they switched to their _secure_ way of Addons. It's how they switched to some chrome profile to change certain settings that could be changed in about:config before. It was all the changes that they forced down your throat. Changes that looked like there was no need for them. I always compare Firefox to an old friend that turned into an alcoholic and who destroyed their life with drinking too much booze. It's not like you would love to help and go a long way to make sure their fine, but your friend is unwilling to be helped. Even it hurts you to see them on their way down you have to stay away for your own good because otherwise your friend will drag you down with them and they have absolutely no right to do that. I think Firefox has to be compared to a Phoenix life: It has to go down in flames and die before it can be reborn into a new form of itself. I think Firefox and Mozilla have to fail and die before we can rebuild them.

"We need more than deplatforming" Yes no thank you

I hope Mozilla can turn it around. I would especially like to see some improvement to Thunderbird. The email client situation on Linux kinda sucks right now. Thunderbird is still the best on Linux I think, but it is pretty lacking and feels very dated compared to MS Outlook.

I have problem with firefox in pop os The volume is not static. It's always changing for every single song in the internet I use browser to hear music a lot. This is bother me have to adjust the system volume every time I'm trying to hear music

I mainly use Firebox, because it isn't Chrome based. It's pretty easy to bend Firefox to your will and disable what you not like about it.

I used to be a faithful user of FF until I started noticing some incompatibility issues when using my frequent webpages around 5 years ago, then I switched to Chrome. I still kept FF shortcut on my taskbar till today as a backup. I wonder how far have FF came since then, I am currently comfortable with Chrome but who knows I may be back to FF should there be a need for it.

Using Firefox on Android just for few extension support...

is there any way to use mozilla's location api instead of google?

I would, but Firefox STILL doesn’t support touch gestures and trackpad gestures on Wayland. Like, people have been asking for this/having issues with this for YEARS. I just tried it yesterday on a fresh install of Fedora 36 GNOME on Wayland, and it simply doesn’t work the way I need it to. Gestures are so integral to my workflow that it’s simply a dealbreaker to me. I appreciate all they’re doing, and no doubt would consider switching from Brave if they implemented what I need in my workflow.

I use firefox because it supports the hardware acceleration on Native Wayland, haven't been able to make chromium based working under native wayland (not xwayland though, because it's choppy)

I think I'll stay with Librewolf. (Yes I know it's a stripped down Firefox)

One of the reasons why Firefox is better than Chromium is legacy hardware support, especially in graphics WebGL stuff. I'm really tired of Chromium continuously disabling anything on a GPU that is even only few years old. Chromium teams also makes it so 10+ years old GPUs will be blacklisted and the machine will those GPUs will run at software acceleration by default no matter how powerful and capable the GPUs are.. Since version 86 Chromium hates Terascale AMD GPUs because not only it's completely blacklisted, but also if you launch any Chromium browsers in those GPUs on Windows with ignore-gpu-blocklist turned on the browser will crash in few seconds. Since 104.x it blocked pre-Haswell Intel GPUs on Windows, despite some of them run WebGL perfectly fine on Firefox and previous Chromium versions, and VMware on Linux is blocked despite it being the superior VM graphics in the VM market other than QEMU's virtio-gpu. I can't stand this obsolescence anymore, like why blocking such a GPU due to a microscopic bug, when they work perfectly fine on Firefox? I'll consider staying away from any Chromium-based browsers especially on older hardware. Even with such bull---- claims that "chromium is better because of blah blah blah..." Chromium teams only CARE about the LATEST hardware in each updates. One years old and expect a feature to be disabled due to a "bug". Terrible.

The way that software is developed today is so bureaucratic and heavy. The truth is they could make an incredibly powerful browser that would be free and not require Google. But when you're paying executives, senior vice presidents, presidents, directors all this cash and none of them actually develop anything except annoying emails, you get the gist of exactly where all the money is really going. It's a shame, there used to be a time when it really did work a lot better. Then the money got involved....

coming up on 2 years of using Firefox as my go to browser 👍 v103 FINALLY fixing WebGL on Nvidia for Linux has basically eliminated my need for any chromium browser

Mozilla's CEO doesn't want a open web. He made that clear on Mozilla's blog.

So why don't other browsers like brave or vivaldi just use fiefox's (quantum / gecko ig) engine ? Isn't it open source ? Or is there a big flaw with that engine ?

I try Firefox from time to time but it just doesnt click for me(maybe its their design or whatever). I always go back to Brave it just feels more comfortable.

I’m hoping eventually someone makes a good fork. Mozilla has been committing suicide with some of their decisions.

It would've been nice if Firefox developers would care more about performance and privacy of the browser. How come hardware accelerated decoding is not enabled by default on all platforms? How come the browser opens so slowly? How come there are so many automatic connections and so much spyware (telemetry) phoning home everything you do, especially in a browser good for privacy? And now with a guy from Microsoft, I can only expect to become worse.

Firefox and Thunderbird for the win. Librewolf is also a great derivative browser.

I'd been using Firefox since it was Netscape. However, I agree that I don't like the data mining tear that Moz has gone on in the last few releases. I'll come back to using it as my primary when they return to their root philosophy.

Another elephant in the room... The page/swap file memory leak. A known issue that has not been addressed for close to a decade.

The only reason i switched from Firefox to Edge is because Mozilla killed off a feature that Tab For A Cause relies on to function as intended. I still keep it installed because Edge's security system is too aggressive and won't let me access my PFSense router

This sucks because they did a lot and contribute to development of both web browsing and access to the internet (the whole netscape war and stuff) but most importantly their loss would actually cause a lot of open stuff to drop like flies.

what is your opinion on microsoft edge?

Multi-Account Containers are so misunderstood. Yes, put an account in a container, but good luck setting up multiple containers for the same site. You will have the option to choose whether you want to use the container or not. If you don’t, then you simply lose the cookie isolation that the containers provide. It’s only when you add Temporary Containers and make it apply to all tabs that you actually get an improvement over no container tabs at all. Even then, the benefits are tiny.

Do people need to make financial donations to Firefox? I don't mind ads if they are not too intrusive. After all, some one has to pay the light and water bills. Maybe Firefox could make website creation easier like local installation of WordPress and others like on a local computers.

It not easy to keep firefox a float as well other browser client to improve and follow regulation and coding. Plus a team to develop new technologies is not easy to fund it depend on the OS and mobile. Without funding they would need to cut back of their service or forces to use other services. It all depend if the site is secure or not as well check those feature is better then theirs.

Been using firefox since i was using computers never had problems with websites not working properly, often developers develop in firefox because it is very developer friendly

I wish Firefox containers to be available on mobile too.

wasn't mozila going to go of towards the sun "combating misinformation"?

I just switched back to Firefox because Chrome has been giving me issues with some images on websites and other small headaches.

If all future browsers are re-skins of the Chromium, we're in trouble.

Does waterfox count?

Brendan Eich, formally of Netscape and Mozilla, is the founder of Brave. I wonder why he went with chromium for Brave instead of Firefox? Legal reasons? I think brave is a great browser but I still stick to Firefox because I don't like Google's domination of the browser engine market. If Brendan just forked Firefox instead of chromium we would already have a badass competitor and defender of the free web in the browser space.

I always go to the about:config and change a number of settings for privacy & security. 👍 Firefox is the best, but they could improve something to compete with chromium on the raspberry pi. Chrome can play 1080 YT vids, (with the h264ify add on set to 30fps),with no frames dropped, but Firefox fails. Still love it.

Slowly switched over to Edge I dunno why, I guess one of the main reasons was that I wanted the same mobile browser on my phone but it shouldn't kinda suck. This was before Firefox brought a better mobile version and I also wanted a built in TTS with a natural voice which is exclusive to Edge. Oh, and Gecko also doesn't work so well with school programs.

Nice video!

Firefox Multi Containers was the only thing I needed to make a switch into Firefox.

Firefox multi account containers are a game changer for me, nothing compares to it. I need this browser to continue :D

I do love Firefox, but my god is it annoying when I click on the sidebar videos of KZfaq and the video plays but the Play button is sitting there like "click me", every damn time! And if I use the keyboard to go forward or back, at least 50% of the time it will highlight the UI elements in the player with a blue outline, sort of like highlighting text. This will either affect the play button (if I used the space bar to play/pause) or the timeline/seeker if I use left/right arrows or J/L. I really hope they fix this bullshit soon because it's been happening for so long now. People don't realise just how important it is to continue using Firefox. You don't even need to be technical to understand why.

And then there's the mobile version of Firefox, which is a whole other story... Like some of the comments below, I'm looking forward to Epiphany getting extension support and/or Brave becoming more and more independent from Google, maybe an engine overhaul someday.

Firefox is unbearably laggy for me on the latest version of Lubuntu (some issue with syncing), otherwise I would use it. I do use it on Android though

when people say that the firefox ui change to be more chrome-like had no effect, people seem to forget that there are literally no alternatives to tell mozilla that the change was trash. What am i going to do? switch to chrome? the whole point was that it looked like chrome lol.

a big problem is memory usage. Which browser is lightweight? Epiphany?

Microsoft, one of the biggest companies in the tech industry, and they didn't manage to compete. I don't believe Mozilla can do much even if they had more money, Google moves faster and faster on the development of chromium just to throw everyone off balance, and they aren't going to stop. Maybe Mozilla should just use chromium and make it privacy focused and have their services on it, just without any unnecessary extras like crypto.

I thought Firefox used Mozilla geolocation software not Google’s. How weird.

I don't think Google gives firefox money so they can make money off the users. I think they give firefox money so they can point to firefox and say they have competition. Mozilla really needs to, market themselves as the rebel browser that worked so well in the early IE days. Mozilla also needs to find ways to monetize firefox while maintaining privacy. And the partnership with facebook may be a case where a bad person does a good thing for their own self interest.

It allows so much freedom I still use it to this day

What I don't like about Firefox are, KZfaq does not load properly, the picture an picture mode is not that great as chromium browsers, when I'm running a virtual machine many times the sound from playing videos gets corrupted with an strange noise. But in general it is a usable browser.

If Firefox is good, Librewolf must be amazing.

Tried Firefox a while ago..... I ended up going back to Brave after a few weeks (don't remember why)

Both are valid . . I too want to move from firefox. . But then realized, the other are just doing worse. Mozilla has doing shady thing, killing good service, etc. . But then other are simply doing an even shadier things. . Not to mention. . Chrome, all just chrome in different clothes

Been using FF since 2017-18.

I’m thinking that Firefox may end up moving over to being Chromium based with how I’m seeing things.

ive honestly tried using browsers other than firefox and i just cant. dealing with chromium is really painful ngl

I have been a Firefox user since it was Netscape Navigator. Even on my Apple device I still use it.

There is IceRaven on Android. It's basically Firefox without Mozilla bad decisions.

Thanks!

7:21 if memory serves me correctly, the first container addon Mozilla introduced was the Facebook Container that you mention here. They later expanded it to the multi-account-containers. Net: if you have the latter addon you don't need the former addon.

Been a mostly Firefox user since it started. I can’t stand Chrome/Chromium, so actually got very disappointed in Firefox around v50(?) where they just started making it look more like Chrome. Safari on macOS is probably the most efficient browser I use, though, being not nearly as bad of a RAM and CPU hog as the others. I just wish Safari’s customizations and extensions functionality were better.

I still kind of resent them cutting support for Progressive Web Apps.

the biggest reason I avoid making firefox my main browser is as it lacks a cast

Firefox has been my main browser for the past 19 years and I'm not likely to stop soon. The features are unmatched.

It feels more like Firefox is heavier than chrome and uses more resources which is weird

been using Firefox since I moved to PopOS. Firefox has been great, but I don't really like the bookmark manager...

I love firefox, it's my default browser in desktop (Debian 11) but the sync feature of firefox account not so reliable like google. In my Android set, there is also firefox installed which is connected with same firefox account. But the sync feature is now a days is horrible. Mozilla should take care this issue seriously.

I hope some other non-profit org would take care of firefox

don't they make a ton of money with servo?

I haven't used it in a while unfortunately but for development, I used to like Firefox's dev tools.

I switched to firefox because it isnt chrome based, and pretty solid.

I'm flip-floping between Firefox and Chromium browser. Both work great but I have more compatibility and crash issues with Firefox than Chrome.

I'm using Firefox for my Applecomputers, iPads and iPhones, as well as on any MS or Linux based computer and device. I also disabled Google as search engine everywhere. Its so easy!

Use Firefox for my Bank browsing and Brave for every thing else also I use Duck Duck on on both of them I also have Librewolf but i don't use it much as of yet good video thankx for making it

Why does Google pay to keep essentially their last remaining competitive browser alive? Well it is simple, just so that they don't get similar heat as Microsoft got with internet explorer 6 back in the day. Back then internet explorer had even bigger market share than Chrome/Chromium has nowadays, and Microsoft was this close to end up getting chopped to smaller companies. Just imagine if tomorrow Mozilla announced that Firefox was no more and thus there was only Chrome/Chromium and Safari, so essentially every Windows Linux and Android system would be forced to switch over to Chrome/Chromium browser. I don't think that neither EU or USA would like that one bit, so there could be that alphabet as a company would be turned into alphabets soup and divided into smaller bowls. So most likely Google will be keeping lights on at Mozilla even after the current contract has ended. But yeah if Firefox would go away, then the upcoming ManifestV3 add-ons and death of current good adblockers by January 2023 on Chrome/Chromium, would only be the start. I would not be surprised if in that case any and all adblockers would get thrown out of the add on store, if there was no competitors who allowed such things and was not running Chromium.

I like firefox but it is slow on my computer, that kills a lot of productive hours, waiting for the page to load is worst thing, i end up with chrome everytime, but yeah firefox is powerful, it looks solid

I agree 👍💯

I am both MacOS and Linux user, and I use Safari on my Macs and other Apple devices and Firefox on my Linux laptop. Because Google is using user information for their profit, MacOS and Linux are two platforms are my daily drivers. Linux for internet and office work and MacOS for my music and creative work. I feel safe and confident on those two platforms, not to be taken advantage off. If Firefox disappears, I would really wish to have Safari on my Linux computer natively.

I've been using Firefox (and Netscape) since the beginning so you'll pry it from my cold dead fingers 😀 I used to have to ping pong between browsers but these days it's FF /w Ublock Origin & No-script and for the pesky website that doesn't work well I use Chrome but I'll probably just use Edge for that since it's Chrome under the hood. I think I heard that Microsoft includes the container library used by FF that Mozillo came up with so that's good news. I might give Proton a spin (their VPN too).

Goanna-based Pale Moon (and Basilisk) is one of the choices you have to use if you want to support competition between web-engines. ;) Qt-based Otter Browser is also interesting choice. Except this point, Librewolf and Vivaldi is interesting and good alternatives I think. Maybe Seamonkey too. ;]

Many things I dont like in ff I fix by disabling updates.

Web3.0 war will come but we gotta wait . Brave was one entry I know for now . Still using it .

Google is the least of the firefox problem. Miti is, imo, far worse. anno 2022, I only use firefox in ssb's, with an arkenfox user js and randomized containering.