Don't care, still using firefox.

firefox is not dead, i am currently using firefox,

I use Firefox (librewolf) because I don't like how big of the market Chrome has.

Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching KZfaq unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅

I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid. It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware. Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features. Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant. What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop. For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient. As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind. You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.

That is why I use LibreWolf, it is to Firefox what Brave is to Chromium.

Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!

Can tell a lot of people have not watched the "finances of Mozilla" videos yet

"I need some clickbait. Let's just say Firefox is dead!"

April Fools was months ago! It has been said that Firefox is dead for years. It ain't going no were.

firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%

*watches video via firefox, daily browser on every device for the last 20 years.

Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.

Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so. I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software. I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space. I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.

DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist" Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future." Bruh

Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.

I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values ​​can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome

I hate that Firefox has that stupid pocket feature on by default and uses the Google search engine. Then they pretend to care about privacy.

Firefox is dead according to you. But it's pretty much alive.

I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon. But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive. Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!

Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers

Watching this video on Firefox

hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?

Tried using Brave, did not like the design and the shitty cryptocurrency. I much prefer Firefox because its simple and familiar.

I still use firefox I don't understand why people prefer chrome, it litteraly does everything and more.

I still use it - the best free browser which doesn't report everyting back

Lets revive Netscape browser !

I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.

Firefox's multi account containers is something i really want chrome based browsers to add...

I gave up on Firefox years ago and, like our gracious host, I to switched to Brave. I blame most of the issues on management.

Floorp is a good Japanese variant of Firefox. It's a more private option.

Firefox is NOT dead.

It's not dead! It's just pining for the fiords!

2.75 minutes in I still don't know why or in what way Firefox is "dead", or what mistakes they have made.

Google still pays a big portion of Mozilla’s bills and get Google services used by default.

DistroTube, you forgot to add a “sponsored” badge to the video (or was paid not to do so). I’d love to see the like/dislike ratio on this video

I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others. Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software. Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox. One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.

Which extension do you use to change the brave home page?

Hello! What's the name of the extension for the New Tab you use in Brave? I like!

I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla. Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.

i switched from Brave to a Firefox based Browser like Librewolf.

I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.

Firefox is one of the few browsers that still allow you to view temp cached Media in *Tools* - *Page Info*

Man for a dead Web Browser it still ships as the default for almost every Distro I have ever installed.

Actually, you are right. On my latest fresh install of ubuntu i did setup Brave as the default browser, and it's good. And now that you remind me of it, I'm also installing Brave on my mobile, instead of Firefox. Like you, it was my everyday browser in 20 years.

LibreWolf Represent !!!!!

DT have you looked at Tilix , the tiling terminal?

Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around. Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla. I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster. I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.

Firefox 126 just released last week, which added support for zstd-compressed web pages. It has better Wayland support than Chrome, so it's the default in most Linux distributions.

Firefox is alive and well and kicking!!

Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much

I still use Firefox + Ublock, haven't had a problem so far

It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.

Firefox is not dead, it's simply coughing up blood.

At least in germany, market share of desktop Firefox is still 20% in 2024.

Firefox + Betterfox + uBlock Origin is the best of the best

Still use firefox, but now I also use Librewolf too for more searching around

Firefox is my browser of choice on desktop and mobile. Maybe it isn't as widely used as much as it used to be but it's definitely not dead yet.

Firefox extensions are leaps and bounds better than Chrome.

Watching this with firefox and firefox nightly installed on literally every one of my devices (5) except for my quest 2

The only reason I still keep using Firefox on desktop is that Google is slowly baning ad blockers on chrome with changes like manifest v3.

Firefox is dead? Then how am I still watching this on Firefox?

I think Gecko is a lost cause, but having a Firefox built on something like Webkit might be interesting to see. I don't think it'll truly save it, but it would be a better path forward (aside from switching to Chromium).

Brave has even lower marketshare than firefox.

I use Librewolf and love it.

Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare. I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.

me watching this on firefox:

I use Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. When one decides to make a stupid update or something breaks for me during an update, I switch to one of the others. It's just a round and round cycle. For android I use Fulguris, and I'm loving it.

I'm still using Firefox and it is the only competitor to Google as Brave, Opera and Vivaldi are just Chrome with a skin. I work in a school and sometimes if something doesn't work in Chrome you need Firefox. I always install Chrome and Firefox on all the school laptops

I still use it and haven't noticed any problems. I agree that its days are numbered due to the convergent nature of software over time.

It’s clickbaity but you got some part of a point. I’ll just continue to use multiple browsers as of now but yeah FF did a lot of work to crash and burn themselves. Let’s hope that if it were to continue some people at Tor or Mullvad could team up and try to maintain some stuff. It’s really too bad that they could not refrain from activism and stupid stunts. Feels like the Gnome project or Elementary OS people they are giving a bad feeling that doesn’t merge well with what I think of when I think of Open Source.

What does this mean for Tor (onion) browser which is based on Firefox?

i don't know about you but with firefox i can have hardware acceleration via vaapi , on chrome it seems that it uses only the cpu i don't think it has such feature. Also firefox is fast while chromium is getting more and more bloated.

Using Ghrome in linux is like cheating on your wife.

I still use Firefox as my daily driver if only because it is adhering to any standard out there such as W3, aria/wia, etc. It is also more secure than any browser and less intrusive. It takes just a few clicks to make it more secure. I used Chromium as my secondary browser and it is way too intrusive, it always claims the default browser role, even if specifically stating otherwise. The WebKit engine does not show HTML as it should do.

What a weird take. Firefox needs to improve, sure, but thinking Brave is some champion of privacy is ridiculous. Same with the comments about Chrome's performance. Oh, and let's not forget how fun Manifest V3 is going to be.

ngl, I saw the "Firefox is dead?!" in magazines from 2007. Currently on Floorp with my bootleg Arc interface. The fact that something like Waterfox exists to take out the Mozilla out of the fox is telling...

I agree with you! But remember that librewolf is better than firefox 😅

I use Firefox, so it's not dead, though it would be good if its market share increased so websites would stop ignoring it.

My internet usage usually expands the number of tabs to where I need two browser windows. Problem is, is that when the PC crashes, and is powering back up, the browsers May pick up where they left off at.... or not. If I have two different browsers, I'm less likely to lose a window of tabs when the PC comes back up. So right now, I'm using Brave and Firefox for that.

Of all the alternatives, you picked Brave...

To be honest it's weird when DT's talking about bloat in Firefox, but at the same time doesn't mention about bloat in Brave that is way more than FF. While he's using it

I was born in 2003, and my mom was (still is) a huge computer nerd, so the first pieces of technology i interacted with were Linux (Mint) and Firefox (Tux Paint too, obviously :p). I love Firefox, it has a special place in my heart, but as much as it pains me, i gotta agree with you, i have... epicurean tastes, in general, not just software, and Firefox it's just not good enough. I'm currently using Ungoogled Chromium and it runs well enough, even in my sh*tty low end 11 years old PC, and that says a LOT.

Firefox is far from dead, but far from being the most used browser! Mobile version sucks, but I think its really the only alternative you have to Chromium based browsers. Suppose you could use a Firefox derivative, such as Tor, Waterfox, or LibreWolf

Been using Firefox for over 20 years now, it and Mozilla are doing good in a market with extremely fierce competition.

I use firefox, and the sideberry and vimium-c makes it awesome, also firefox introduce pdf editor inbuilt in it now.

I need RESTORE PREVIOUS SESSION button back. It's missing. Do you know how to get that option back on Firefox to be able to restore when there is a crash or mistake?

Is Brave safe & privacy friendly? I like librewolf - privacy tuned firefox

Since switching back to Linux FF is all I use. Any other browser stutters, crashes, and just doesn’t behave properly. I’d like to use Vivaldi, but it’s the worst of them all with UI and stuttering problems. FF just works every time.

"the internet has to remain free" dude maybe 10 years ago !!! the internet has been locked down for a very long time.

i've tried to use firefox on multiple occasions and want to use it. i can usually deal with it not working as well on certain sites just to support the cause, but it keeps having issues with crashing and memory leaks. both the current release and the ESR on 2 different computers, same issues.

Seems pretty alive to me.

Thats why I started using librewolf

Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course. Brave? No thanks.

Firefox is my favourite pdf-viewer on linux 😄

Does the Librewolf browser count as Firefox on those usage statistics?

I will continue using Firefox until Ladybird is stable and once it is we'll finally have a completely independent web browser

If only there's suckless version of gecko engine

I get your sentiment and agree on most things, but I use Firefox and have no objections on its performance. It has way healthier ecosystem of extensions and as of recently they work on Android too. I see no reason to switch to chrome, in fact, I would miss some of the Firefox features.

I mostly agree with everything you said. In my own experience, I switched to Firefox several years ago. At that time it was less resource intensive that Google Chrome. It became my default web browser. Unfortunately, nowadays that seems to have changed. If I leave my Firefox browser open for more than a coupe of days (Using basically Ubuntu 22.04 with 32Gb or RAM), it starts to consume so much memory that after a week I end up consuming more than 10 GB of swap space, and the whole machine starts to struggle with simple tasks like using the terminal. As soon as I kill the firefox processes, everything returns no normal, indicating that is has some memory leaks problems (still haven't found if that may be caused by some extensions I have installed). I really like the idea of keeping a different rendering engine, as almost all other browsers use or are based on Chromium, so FireFox seems like the only option for diversity. I currently use Firefox as my main browser, but I also use Brave for some other tasks, and even I have Chrome installed for sites related to my company (just to have separate environments). But unfortunately, I am using Brave (and also Vivaldi) more and more, and I am afraid I will end ditching Firefox, as it really is becoming an annoyance to use (and yes, I rarely turn off or reboot my Linux PC or any of the other headless servers I use at home) I just hope the Mozilla foundation can keep other projects alive, like the Rust language. Keep sharing your thougts, I may or may not agree with everything you say, but you always express yourself in a respectful way. Cheers!