The Deluge - Polish Saber Duel 1974

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Video clip of the 1974 Polish film, The Deluge [Potop] directed by Jerzy Hoffman. Saber duel between Colonel Wotojyjowskin & Colonel Kmicic.
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@DamienHayesYo
@DamienHayesYo 4 күн бұрын
this scene pops up every few years on KZfaq, and I'm always compelled to watch it. Today is one of those days.
@djneinas
@djneinas 3 күн бұрын
first timer here. Probably popped up in my feed because I'm into synthesisers and it's one called Deluge
@_DarkEmperor
@_DarkEmperor 11 күн бұрын
In Poland theater schools and film schools have status of university, so one can take four and half year acting course and receive title of master of science in acting. And every (or almost every) university level acting course incorporate fencing, quite a lot of fencing.
@Hawthorne-Studios
@Hawthorne-Studios 5 күн бұрын
Wow, that is interesting. It explains why they both were naturally proficient with their swordsmanship.
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 4 күн бұрын
​@@Hawthorne-Studios Not exactly. Tadeusz Łomnicki (Wołodyjowski, the older guy) didn't study acting at a university. In his youth he was a rail worker, bank clerk and violin player. In World War II he was a partisan in the 'Grey Ranks' and 'Home Army' and learnt acting in theatre-ran school. When he decided to play Wołodyjowski for the first time, he was a 40 years old theatre actor who didn't do any fencing, horse riding or other sports, and there were serious considerations to hire a fencing master instead of an actor. However he trained so hard for a year, he ended up being able to run for miles every day, do a high kick (there is a photo of him doing that) and do life threating horse stunts. He also worked closely with fencing masters and historians, which aside from training, was probably the first attempt to do some sort of old-Polish sabre style recontruction, although they didn't aim to be fully accurate because they were also thinking about making it look good on screen. Unfortunately in the first movie he suffered tendon inflammation from overtraining and back pains from falling off a horse and it shows. In this movie here he's already 47 but moves much better because of prior training and not suffering from injuries
@januszlepionko
@januszlepionko 21 күн бұрын
And there was not even one stuntman. The duel was acted by the main actors.
@jacekkarny302
@jacekkarny302 15 күн бұрын
Also Kmicic had here small bag of red liquid hidden in his hair, and Wołodyjowski had to aim for it to cut it but also to not go too deep and not hurt other actor.
@1984Kojot
@1984Kojot 14 күн бұрын
There were time when ppl had basic move coordination.
@lordhelwintr283
@lordhelwintr283 12 күн бұрын
@@1984Kojotthis was a real duel between two men that knew how to use their swords. Yes it was for a movie but it was not coordinated like a more modern movie
@AmateurCaptain
@AmateurCaptain 9 күн бұрын
There was a moment where Olbrychski (Kmicic) was genuinely almost hit on the head by the other actor’s sword. They had to stop filming as Olbrychski went pale and needed to calm down.
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 5 күн бұрын
@@lordhelwintr283 Totally wrong. The style of movement and specific moves very closely follow how this fight was described in the novel. However they were that quick that Tadeusz Łomnicki (the older guy who wins), in reality almost got killed. He was too slow on one parry and Olbrychski just barely managed to slow his hand enough so you could make and avoid his skull being crushed. After this they had to stop and take a long break because both actor were frightened.
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
It’s written by Henryk Sienkiewicz 1. With fire and sword 2. The Deluge 3. Pan Wołodyjowski (not sure about translation i encountered Pan Michael/Sir Wolodyjowski/Colonel Wolodyjowski) Movies made by Jerzy Hoffman. It was a must for any kid in Poland, not sure if still is but my dad and I 30 years later had it on polish matura test/high school exam. Sienkiewicz is a Nobel prize winner for literature, he was writing during partition of Poland so it’s mostly nation spirit raising stuff. Other titles I recommend: The Templars (Krzyżacy, with battle of Grunwald, there is a movie as well), Quo Vadis (christians in Roman times) In Desert and Wilderness… for all are movies.
@kuibeiguahua
@kuibeiguahua 11 күн бұрын
Mount and blade mod of With fire and sword is so cool too check it out
@Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet
@Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet 6 күн бұрын
@@kuibeiguahua I was about to say the same thing. Legendary mod.
@giausjulius4
@giausjulius4 19 күн бұрын
Even though this is a theatrical film I think you see a great difference in the skill of the men during the fighting. Even Wotojyjowskin remarks on it during the duel when he says "you swing that like a flail". I would like to believe that it was by design and intentionally captured by Jerzy. Kmicic's footwork is grandiose and energetic, Wotojyjowskin's is reserved and he steps quickly but with a smaller gait. Kmicic's swings are arcing and wild, Wotojyjowskin's are by reaction and short. Kmicic's style tires him out quickly and Wotojyjowskin put the exhaustion to use. A lesser swordsman would be overwhelmed by Kmicic but Wotojyjowskin played a mostly defensive game until Kmicic was winded and thus was easy to overpower in the end.
@stefanbatory3857
@stefanbatory3857 13 күн бұрын
Wołodyjowski, not Wotojyjowskin, there is mistake in description ;)
@giausjulius4
@giausjulius4 13 күн бұрын
@@stefanbatory3857 Aha lol. Well I am not Polish so I had no idea. Not entirely certain why I got recommended this clip but I decided to watch it since it had subtitles and I am a bit of a film enthusiast. I think this is the first time I've ever seen anything Polish-made. Pretty good for the 70s!
@stefanbatory3857
@stefanbatory3857 13 күн бұрын
@@giausjulius4 It's not your fault, the description is misleading, but it's just a small detail. Anyway, I'm happy you like the movie!
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 4 күн бұрын
Well, it was choreographed to show precisely what Sienkiewicz described in the novel.
@jaroslawwalczak2855
@jaroslawwalczak2855 4 күн бұрын
Daniel Olbrychski -Kmicic - took a lot of training in boxing for other movie. That's explain the foot work.
@guilhermegoncalves110
@guilhermegoncalves110 5 ай бұрын
The older guy dueling looks like the Charles Bronson of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth :)
@myh106
@myh106 23 күн бұрын
I mean, Charles Bronson's background is Lithuanian/Tatar, so he would have been a perfect fit for the book trilogy this movie is adapted from. This one is about the war with the Swedes, but in others a lot of the action takes place in the steppe-like Eastern hinterlands.
@fenrislegacy
@fenrislegacy 19 күн бұрын
He look like Sylvester McCoy
@guilhermegoncalves110
@guilhermegoncalves110 19 күн бұрын
@@fenrislegacy The 1980's Silverster McCloy, with the moustache :)
@fender3873
@fender3873 11 күн бұрын
​@myh106 what's the trilogy called? Is it good?
@Liopot68
@Liopot68 10 күн бұрын
@@fender3873 by fire and sword (ogniem i miecziem) by Henryk Senkiewicz. The book trilogy is phenomenal, the movies are very good.
@ZannNewman
@ZannNewman 17 күн бұрын
Great example of showing character by swordplay - one is serious, honourable, reserved and direct, the other paces round, trying big flashy moves to intimidate his enemy and getting more and more worried then desperate when they don't work and he knows he's beaten
@deathdeathington
@deathdeathington 3 күн бұрын
He showed courage at the end though. That must be said.
@ZannNewman
@ZannNewman 3 күн бұрын
@@deathdeathington true, he didn't try and surrender or flee, when he knew he was beaten he just asked him to finish it quickly
@deathdeathington
@deathdeathington 3 күн бұрын
That was amazing! You could tell the exact moment the over-confident soldier realised he was fighting a much more skilled opponent. And when his sabre was flicked from his grasp... that was the final nail in the coffin. He knew his goose was cooked. But then he showed bravery and went and faced his death like a man. Wow! There's so much storytelling in this scene. Every moment is so densely packed with detail and nuance.
@Alexander-savoshenko
@Alexander-savoshenko 3 күн бұрын
He didn't die. Volodyevsky wounded him and reserved the right to dispose of his life.
@deathdeathington
@deathdeathington 3 күн бұрын
@@Alexander-savoshenko I know he didn't die. You know he didn't die. But at that moment when he faced Volodyevsky, he thought he was going to die.
@Alexander-savoshenko
@Alexander-savoshenko 3 күн бұрын
@@deathdeathington Yes.
@glashoppah
@glashoppah 9 күн бұрын
An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
@davidvincent2737
@davidvincent2737 6 күн бұрын
Are you stupid lmao
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 5 күн бұрын
This actually was historically a bit like Jedis vs. Stormtroopers. This story takes place in the middle of XVIIth century when everybody around had long moved to relatively bigger professional armies, while the Republic of Both Nations relied on noble leve and these nobles still called themselves knights. They prefered swords, lances and horses to firearms, were notoriusly outnumbered and in each battle they would have thousands of bullets shot at them yet only like 5% would be killed because fire accuracy back then was so bad. This specific story takes place during the Deluge when the Republic was fighting 3 wars against 8 different countries on home territory and suffered excessive human and material losses.
@glashoppah
@glashoppah 5 күн бұрын
@@piotrmalewski8178 I would love to see it.
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 4 күн бұрын
​@@glashoppah You mean the movie I suppose. Wołodyjowski himself (he was a historical figure) survived all this to get killed in next war. He was defending the insufficiently crewed fortress (1/7 of normal crew) of Kamieniec Podolski from Turkish invasion. The Turks would allow citizens of the city to leave in peace in exchange for capitulation, so the fortress surrendered, after 9 days of fighting but already after making the deal, the fortress exploded killing the remaining crew, including Wołodyjowski. It is believed the gunpowder storage was deliberately ignited by Hekling, an artillery commander of the fortress from Courland but his motivations remain unclear. In the fictionalized version by Sienkiewicz, Wołodyjowski asks Ketling (Hekling) to ignite the storage so they could die with honour, since they had pledged not to give up the fortress to the enemy.
@mythhy6451
@mythhy6451 4 күн бұрын
I don't know about more civilized.
@peterzaffaroni2871
@peterzaffaroni2871 7 күн бұрын
when courage and honor meant something
@BGSGBF
@BGSGBF 16 күн бұрын
If a combat colonel looks a math teacher from the secondary grade - the one shall be maximum alerted while dealing with a such colonel.
@dickbison
@dickbison 7 күн бұрын
especially when the duel was his idea
@Pablo668
@Pablo668 14 күн бұрын
I’ve learned something from this. Never get into a sabre duel with a Pole. Or a Hungarian for that matter.
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
Is he going to kurwa you?😅
@nikolaipasko
@nikolaipasko 9 күн бұрын
I like this movie very much. Watched it recently again - now with my teenage son.
@mpod_creative
@mpod_creative 17 күн бұрын
Guys, if you can look for this book and read it, it's more epic story than LOTR. For example, this duel was in a night, all guys around were holding fire torches, the small one was commenting technique of the other one and gave him tips.
@andrewyemelyanov2469
@andrewyemelyanov2469 11 күн бұрын
Loved the movie. One of the best historical epics ever made, if not the best. How good did they compared to the book in the movie? Would you still recommend reading ?
@_DarkEmperor
@_DarkEmperor 11 күн бұрын
@@andrewyemelyanov2469 Sienkiewicz was a great writer. Great character creation, great sense of humor. And great skill in constructing action pack adventure stories in historical setting.
@thealleys
@thealleys 5 ай бұрын
Great movie in a great trilogy especially if you are into the Pike, Shot, and Saber era.
@ellisbkennedy652
@ellisbkennedy652 13 күн бұрын
This is a trilogy?? Do you have to rent it or is it on anything?
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
Its a lot of pszek pszek ❤
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
It’s written by Henryk Sienkiewicz 1. With fire and sword 2. The Deluge 3. Pan Wołodyjowski (not sure about translation i encountered Pan Michael/Sir Wolodyjowski/Colonel Wolodyjowski) Movies made by Jerzy Hoffman. It was a must for any kid in Poland, not sure if still is but my dad and I 30 years later had it on polish matura test/high school exam. Sienkiewicz is a Nobel prize winner for literature, he was writing during partition of Poland so it’s mostly nation spirit raising stuff. Other titles I recommend: The Templars (Krzyżacy, with battle of Grunwald, there is a movie as well), Quo Vadis (christians in Roman times) In Desert and Wilderness… for all are movies.
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
@@Denek_23 who dat? Nother white dude?
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
@@KosherFinance im not sure what you mean mate, the guy who won the duel has movie with the same name as the final movie in the trilogy
@joepeach997
@joepeach997 19 күн бұрын
If his men fought half as good as him, that small group could overwhelm troops of triple size. And what a legend of a man to pass on honor to a nation that was so barbaric due to war.
@jaydaretti
@jaydaretti 23 сағат бұрын
Perhaps, no. Because there were guns already in that time))
@paulban889
@paulban889 11 күн бұрын
Brilliant.
@star_dax
@star_dax 19 күн бұрын
What a great scene!
@mpod_creative
@mpod_creative 17 күн бұрын
And the book is even better.
@AND-od5jt
@AND-od5jt 8 күн бұрын
5:55 Nice hand-swap!
@karlhneubauer
@karlhneubauer 12 күн бұрын
impressive good actors
@meatpopsicle1567
@meatpopsicle1567 6 ай бұрын
Great duel!
@Geffalrus1984
@Geffalrus1984 8 күн бұрын
Interesting minor filming detail. The losing dueler initially takes a saber that lacks a handguard, but when the duel actually takes place, the saber is of the type that uses a handguard (just like the winner's saber). Clearly they changed it during filming in between takes.
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 5 күн бұрын
The first one was historical saber that privately belonged to Olbrychski. The duel one is a replica based on late type Hussar saber that was safer for the scene because of hand protection, but it was crudely made, so for close ups they used the historical example.
@Geffalrus1984
@Geffalrus1984 5 күн бұрын
@@piotrmalewski8178 that is very cool. Makes sense too - safety first!
@christianayalacruz1095
@christianayalacruz1095 4 күн бұрын
Young Dr. Cox sure knew how to fight with a saber. Too bad the US medical system failed him in the end
@bubbahottep8644
@bubbahottep8644 18 күн бұрын
I've seen this in Fencing. Some tool thinks that "Fencing in the round" is more realistic but their more skilled opponent just faces them and pivots in order to address them linearly.
@kingjoe3rd
@kingjoe3rd 10 күн бұрын
Is there really no higher quality source for this scene? Even if it was shot on tape, it would be better than what's out there.
@saamamerat1061
@saamamerat1061 8 күн бұрын
I wish I knew how to sword fight.
@baxpiz1289
@baxpiz1289 Күн бұрын
wonder why he says falling on face = still alive vs falling on back
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
KURWA BOBR!❤
@maciek19882
@maciek19882 9 күн бұрын
And this kids is how Freddy Mercury died.
@johnmarken3945
@johnmarken3945 4 күн бұрын
wow!
@TigerDude333
@TigerDude333 17 күн бұрын
Ahh the classic invisible sword strike!
@mpod_creative
@mpod_creative 17 күн бұрын
They almost hit each other during filming many times, they used real steel, just dull.
@doejohn6855
@doejohn6855 9 күн бұрын
Does anyone know where one can get the movie online, either in another language than Polish or with subtitles?
@77mako77ful
@77mako77ful 2 күн бұрын
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@rickjames18
@rickjames18 20 күн бұрын
Looks like a cool movie, The Deluge 1974?
@HeronimBerbelek
@HeronimBerbelek 17 күн бұрын
It is very cool
@michamisztal4477
@michamisztal4477 15 күн бұрын
Yes, it's a great movie. I suggest looking for "Deluge Redivivus" 2014 version, digitally restored and re-edited. The quality is much better and narration made more dynamic, made to be similar to modern cinema instead of more theatrical and MUCH longer original version.
@rickjames18
@rickjames18 15 күн бұрын
@@michamisztal4477 Ok thanks for the tip.
@jerzygutowski3170
@jerzygutowski3170 11 күн бұрын
Big guy had a saber made of aluminum
@dizelvinable
@dizelvinable 10 күн бұрын
Увлекательно сняли
@wikipediaintellectual7088
@wikipediaintellectual7088 9 күн бұрын
Those guys in furs aren't Cossacks, are they? Were they on both sides of this war?
@mikaelmoss1233
@mikaelmoss1233 9 күн бұрын
They are Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Noblemen (rather not well prospering, that's why called grey coats). Lauda is a part of Lithuania nowadays.
@wikipediaintellectual7088
@wikipediaintellectual7088 9 күн бұрын
@@mikaelmoss1233 Well, their shabbiness is quite apparent. Seems like a very rough time for the Commonwealth when their nobility looks like that.
@dickbison
@dickbison 7 күн бұрын
@@wikipediaintellectual7088 What must be taken into account is that Polish nobility was the most numerous in Europe. In other countries only the eldest son inherited the title, in Poland it was all of them, so noblemen were quite a large percentage of the population. Many of them had their title, and not much else. This led to many problems, since the struggling ones were often bribed by foreing powers to vote a certain way.
@marekkapusta9597
@marekkapusta9597 5 күн бұрын
During this time period, around 16% of Polish Commonwealth citizens were nobles. The thing is, most of those nobles had little more than their titles, sabres and small pieces of land. Most of them would either look for wealthy patrons to serve them, become adventuring vagabonds or work on their land like commoners. That's why wealthy and prosperous nobles would call them "szlachta zagrodowa" ("barn nobles").​@@wikipediaintellectual7088
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 5 күн бұрын
No, Cossacks dressed very differently. These here are nobles, described in the book as 'szaraczki' (little grey men), because they come from a very poor area (noblemen in the Commonwealth were a very diverse class, from people who owned thousands of acres to people who owned nothing but their saber and horse.) However it was a terrible time for the Commonwealth. The moment this happens it's been suffering years of home-war with Cossacks and Crimean Khanate in Ukraine, and Russian invasion that physically liquidated entire cities in Lithuania, and then Sweden invades together with 5 other countries, causing human and material losses comparable in scale to those caused by WWII (Sweden also practice deliberate state organized robbery of anything of value, including floor panels and metal roofs of buildings as well as deliberate destruction of anything they could not transport). The country could not even reach the former grain farming efficiency for the next 100 years, due to loss of human force, tools, and horses. This scene is set when Sweden has already invaded, professional army suffered 500% losses and still fights in Ukraine, half of Lithuania is already under Russian control and noble leve is completely unable to stop the Swedes and their allies, so Wołodyjowski spares Kmicic because he badly needs people with real combat experience and Kmicic has been succesful in guerilla warfare.
@deckiedeckie
@deckiedeckie 21 күн бұрын
Peacock's......that's what they look like....
@mpod_creative
@mpod_creative 17 күн бұрын
XVII century noble, that's quite history accurate.
@michamisztal4477
@michamisztal4477 15 күн бұрын
That's nothing. Men in the background are referred as "grey coats", i.e. minor and relatively poor nobles, who could not afford colorful, embroidered clothing. Later in the movie rich magnates are depicted, with their lavish, opulent style.
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
Why are they all white? No Black actors?😢
@MR-yp7mu
@MR-yp7mu 12 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
You trolling man, right? 😂
@pawemonko4524
@pawemonko4524 12 күн бұрын
Prawda czasu , prawda ekranu.
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
@@Denek_23 wym?😳
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
@@KosherFinance you seriously ask why? Come on you gotta be trolling 😂 that’s 1655-1660 Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, there was no black people then here, ws did not have colonies mate, although we were considered very tolerant, even called “country without stakes” the class differences at that time and the fact we did not have colonies or any overseas territories, black people in those time in Poland were mainly traders or servants. And I mean servants not slaves. Believe me they had it better than polish or ukrainian peasants, but were considered huge curiosity.
@KosherFinance
@KosherFinance 12 күн бұрын
Omg so RACIST😢
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 12 күн бұрын
What? How? This duel is racist? Are you for real man? :)
@panjacek6674
@panjacek6674 11 күн бұрын
​​@@Denek_23well obviously there should be some black noble men there, maybe some females with swords too 😅 total lack of diversity is appalling.
@Denek_23
@Denek_23 11 күн бұрын
@@panjacek6674 😂😂😂
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 5 күн бұрын
@@panjacek6674 Historically there were a few Black people in the Commonwealth, some of them were even noblemen, like Fredro's company or one of Sobieski's henchmen who was KIA at Vienna. In other European countries that would have been impossible.
@Hawthorne-Studios
@Hawthorne-Studios 5 күн бұрын
@@Denek_23 He's trolling, ignore him.
@77mako77ful
@77mako77ful 2 күн бұрын
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The longsword duel from THE KING is on point.
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