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Lost a planet Disney has, how embarrassing...

JJ was, by far, the worst possible writer they could have chosen. He does visually stunning well, but he doesn't do story.

I remember being upset that "Coruscant" was destroyed in episode VII, then later learning that it was actually Hosnian Prime and instantly not giving a shit anymore

The Galaxy felt so much smaller in the sequels because of this.

The fact that the sequels had a roaming capital makes me even more angry at how the entire New Republic just disappeared after the First Order destroyed Hosnian Prime. I expected the New Republic to put up a good fight and a roaming capital makes the First Order's sudden galactic takeover make even more illogical. Like if Washington DC was bombed do you thinks the rest of the states would just roll over and let themselves be conquered by a new autocratic regime? No way, they would band to together and fight back. And if the US also had a roaming capital it would be even easier for the government to immediately retaliate. All the planets in the New Republic had their own governments and militaries, I'm sure they would immediately declare war. They would be even more inspired to fight since they just defeated the Empire 30 years ago and would not want to fall right back into a dictatorship. Plus, the First Order's most deadly weapon (Starkiller Base) was just destroyed meaning the enemy is most vulnerable.

JJ Abrams: We don't talk about the prequels. Fans: Retcon the sequels.

Have a capital that's relocated every few years, even if its decades, sounds like a logistical and bureaucratic nightmare. Especially considering a galactic scaled government.

Coruscant is such an underrated planet. At least it got mentioned in Fallen Order.

Imagine episode 7 starting out showing the prosperity and strength of the new republic and Luke's revived jedi order at the jedi temple with some epic John William's music.

"The new extended lore went too far trying to define itself." Exactly, so far, it just feels like bad knockoff fan work.

I don’t think Coruscant “isn’t dirty enough”, in fact, it’s quite dirty, shifty, and grimy just a few hundred feet down from where we see most of the action there. That whole undercity is supposed to be a sordid hive, and is super underexplored imo.

Eck- "The sequels have been trying to find their own identity" Me- looks at everything copy and pasted from the original trilogy while simultaneously avoiding anything prequel related

I would’ve loved to see the original battle of coruscant that they were planning for episode 9 because the one in Revenge of the Sith is my favorite SW space battle

Disney Star Wars in an incoherent disaster. Glad Coruscant was spared.

"Coruscant was in open rebellion against the First Order..." The planet? The entire planet was at war with the First Order? Alone, with the entire rest of the New Republic wiped out and the Resistance in hiding, Coruscant is fighting the First Order? Fucking hell, why wasn't *that* the entire movie? That would've been badass.

I didn't even know what planets were destroyed in TFA I thought they were just some random planets. The whole trilogy disney made was a mess of meaningless characters, events and unnecessary stupid story. The only thing disney has done right with Star Wars is Rogue One and The Mandalorian.

That's what made me really feel empty about this trilogy. All action, no politics or talk about the rest of the galaxy. I wanted to see what the aftermath of the empire's fall was like and the rise of the new republic in the eyes of the galaxy on screen, to make me feel like this is actual star wars... a galactic conflict, not a small plot about edge lords and untrained maggots fighting each other

Disney has been replacing planets that don't need to be replaced.

Actually though, Coruscant was shown ever so briefly in Rogue One during a flashback showing Krennic and Galen Erso at an Imperial function. Lore has also been added for things such as Celestial Power having a headquarters on Coruscant.

Fans : Hey let's see some of the big cities and mega technological worlds! What we all praised in the prequels. Disney : Here's more sand worlds. And plain rock worlds. Ohh and salt worlds. And worst thing is they almost did that with canto byte. But then they just went full 20th century casino instead of actually being innovative and Sci fi esque. Fuck the people they hire suck...

I'm one of those who just like to ignore everything after 6. It's legitimately terrible in almost all aspects. Unlike the prequels, time will not save it; it has no redeeming parts.

"The backlash they received in their heyday" Actually, I'm old enough to remember a time when people were comparing RotS to Greek tragedy. Sure, everyone knew the dialogue was a bit hokey, but the hate against the prequels is a pretty recent (2010's) phenomenon.

Simple Answer: Because they don’t care. They just want the money

Seeing how this has all played out, in hindsight I don’t think the story group had as much figured out as we believed. They probably didn’t want to touch Coruscant because they didn’t know how everything would shake out in Episode 9. I will point evidence to how disjointed episode 8 was from what TFA established, the story group probably wasn’t that involved, thats how Rian Johnson was allowed to subvert everything. I do think there was a “forget the old ways” or “let the past die” going on quietly in management at Lucasfilm (trying to create their own legacy 😴)

Episode 7 damned the whole trilogy because it had no politics to establish the political landscape of the galaxy at that point in time. We have no context for how the Resistance operates and what the Republic is doing. The First Order as well. Coruscant was essential to the trilogy. I hope we see it in The Mandalorian with the lower levels.

Coruscant: a developed world with fascinating history and truly limitless possibilities (and it has layers like an onions each darker than the last, literally and figuratively) Hosnian Prime: a world that we saw 5 seconds and gets destroyed with other planets Jakku: Tatooine 2, now with Star Destroyer scraps and Mary Sues! Ach-To: Because Beak-less birds are cute Exegol: “I have millions of ships with tiny guns which all have the power of the Death Star!” -Palpatine before bass boosting the rebel fleet Coruscant: I am a joke to you? Edit: more stuff

Because that would have to acknowledge the prequel trilogy exists, something the Big Bad Mouse will avoid at all costs.

I love how there's sequel fans in the comments trying to defend it. I like the prequels a lot, and I understand they have severe flaws, but I don't have the urge to defend them from rational criticism. I think this says a lot about the sequels in general.

Disney’s goal is to pretend years down the road that they always owned Star Wars, and acknowledging an planet that iconic that they didn’t invent makes that harder.

To give them credit they did do a good job with Not Coruscant, just like with Not Tatione, and Not Endor, and Not Star Wars.

“Closely wanted to follow the original trilogy”. You misspelled copied and tried to pass off as his own.

I’m still disappointed we didn’t see Coruscant, we could have made some great callbacks to episode 3. I still say Rise of Skywalker should have been two parts and the way finder should have been in the Imperial Palace. The climax of part 1 should have been a battle to liberate the planet while Rey and the Kylo had their duel in the former Jedi Temple.

We really missed out

4:48 "we don't have flying cars..." We can't have them yet cuz people can't even park wheeled vehicles properly

Why ask why Coruscant is missing from these star wars movies, when star wars is missing from these star wars movies?

2:01 and most importantly, it's the most populous planet in the galaxy 4:28 I think the reason is that it would remind people of the previous films... and how even the prequels were leagues above the new trilogy 5:50 well... they knw they were incompetent enugh where they would cause contridictions

If only we actually got Trevorrow's Episode 9. It sounds like it could have been the Revenge of the Sith of the sequels, the best of the three.

My personal feeling is that they wanted everything new so they could sell merchandise based on new intellectual properties so they can cut ties as much as possible with the old stuff. They don't want the old fans because they are going to be the most critical and least likely to want to spend more money if they feel Disney isn't doing a good job. They want the new fans almost exclusively since the old fans are going to be the ones likely to say "hey this isn't as good as the old stuff" and are going to be willing to hand down their old merchandise to the new fans.

As a Legends Expanded Universe fan, it'd be nice to have a few bones thrown in our direction too... JJ Abrams strikes me as a pretty hardcore OT purist. I recall him laughing about midichlorians, Jar Jar, and Darth Plagueis before TFA. Given how "inspired" TFA was from the original trilogy, I think involving a planet like Coruscant would be a pretty big distraction. Ain't no city planets in A New Hope.

I wish we could’ve gotten a different sequel trilogy.

To all those who disliked the prequel series..... They look pretty good now don't they

I really wanted to see Luke rebuilding the old Jedi Temple on Coruscant

The good thing about that is Coruscant is still available for Dave Filoni freely explore

You know something that still gets me angry is Kuat. We have never seen Kuat on screen before! I wanted to have hope that in the Mandorlian season 2 we would see Kuat. It would be neat if we could see Kuat making first order star destroyers. It would also make my day if Kuat was building Palpatine's secret fleet of star destroyers in episode 9! Because the only place in cannon that can make that many star destroyers is Kuat Drive Yards!

Getting rid of one of the most iconic cities in the franchise without a big battle or something is REALLY stupid... Even for Disney...

Dumb reasons and Disney Star Wars. Two things definitely made for each other.

I feel like JJ just had the mindset of “prequels bad” when I think it would have been SO cool to see the sequels tie concepts from the prequels and OT together more

I feel like it could have been Kathleen Kennedy's fault for the lack of prequel content in movies, she clearly trying to seperate her trilogy with the older trilogy's, the change at galaxies edge and the lack of Hyden Christiansian( butchered the spelling I know) are evidence of this.

They probably left it out bc jj Abrams doesn't know the lore behind it....

At least they didn't include Coruscant so it could be tarnished like everything else they've touched.

Petition to decanonize the entire disney cannon

It’s been in the books. I remember it was in Inferno Squad, Leia: Princess of Alderaan, and Lost Stars off of the top of my head. It was cool to see it under Imperial control, plus the Jedi Temple has been fleshed out in prequel-era content like Master & Apprentice and Dooku: Jedi Lost, but I always wondered what happened to it after Episode VI. It would’ve been nice to see it again in IX.

We need Corusant in Battlefront 2.

“And this is why you have failed” And this is why the Expanded Universe is so much better in every aspect, including less continuity contradictions.

In TFA they mention core prequel concepts like "balance or the Force" or the "Sith" that were not in the OT. So, I do not think the unexplained capital change to a generic planet was done for this reason. Rather, the real reason was historical: I think it was more like they wanted to rehash ANH (but bigger) and thus blow up the capital. But they were worried to blow up Couruscant because (i) it might been interpreted as a Prequel/Lucas bashing and (ii) as a blatant disrespect of the lore - remember the backlash when JJ (stupidly and disrespectfully) blew up the planet Vulcan in Star Trek 09 just for the lens flare?

This reminds me so well of something I've seen regular in corporations, those on the ground spend a ton of time coming up with a solution to a problem, including testing out tons of ideas. Finally everyone agress on what to do, but should the head of the dept be replaced before the fix is implimented the new guy ALWAYS scraps the plan and decides on something unevaluated or tested, so they can claim credit for all if it, and it almost always invariably fails, and they blame everyone but themselves.

This is what happens when you hire and put in charge incompetent idiotic insane writers and dictators who don't give a damn about the heart and soul of Star Wars or the continuity to run the show. You know what you get? A rotten corpse of a once beloved franchise that has been horrible mangled from the inside out.

On the plus side at least it was not destroyed in TFA. Wow 772 likes in 10 hoursa thank you all so much.

Disney Star Wars has a lot in common with 343's Halo. New people come in, eager to carve their own version of a beloved franchise, they introduce new (disappointing, minus a few) characters and enemies, create a boring, (almost non sensical plot), change things that were perfectly fine, mess with beloved characters (more Star Wars than Halo really) and just generally piss of loyal fans of beloved, long running franchise just for a quick buck. I only hope that Disney will learn from their mistakes the way 343 did. I'm not saying that the people creating Star Wars don't love it, but as with 343 - the people in charge need to compromise their vision what fans want or else the next generation won't get to love the franchise nearly as much as we did. Or in Disney speak: YOU COULD BE MAKING MORE MONEY!

I was high-key offended when in episode 9 Endor of all places showed up but coruscant is nowhere to be seen or mentioned

I'm glad Coruscant appeared in Rogue One for a few seconds xD

Last time I was this early starwars was still good

Perhaps one of my biggest issues with the sequels was how small they made the galaxy feel again. The OT felt like the Galaxy wasn't as populated and more empty than it actually was. The prequels gave us a vastly populated and a very large Galaxy, but instead going off of that, they tried to make it more like the OT and it just made me not care about the planets or Galaxy itself anymore

when you realize that collin trevorrow might have actually been able to justify the sequels and actually make them great but got fired for "creative differences"...

Because they had to change it by 20% to get all the money from merchandise?

look, I get that a lot of people don't like the prequels and for good reason, personally I like them but that's only because I was a child when I watched them. but either way as bad as it objectively is.... It also some really deep and compelling ideas an concepts behind it.

"mas amedda was also there" sums up mas amedda perfectly

What really made me mad is that they didn’t even show coruscant celebrating at the end of rise of skywalker

When the character that crosses over most from one book series to another is Commandant Deenlark from the Royal Imperial Academy on Coruscant, you know you have a problem.

The revelation of Coruscant in The Phantom Menace is still my favorite single moment of all the star Wars films!

Coruscant will forever be my favorite planet, and it’s a huge part of Star Wars lore! So disappointed that it hadn’t been used since episode 3

One of the things I love about the Heir to the Empire adaptation that DarthAngelus is doing is seeing Luke and Leia on Coruscant. I'm not a prequel fan but even I would have gotten a kick out of more nods to that in the sequels, like maybe the Resistance was using captured Venators alongside Imperial Star Destroyers against the Resurgents. Or Rebel troops using stolen and repainted Clone Trooper armour. It's the same way I wanted actual X-Wings in Revenge of the Sith instead or ARC-170s, to show there's a progression of technology over the whole saga rather than every trilogy stopping and starting.

Ive never understood the fixstion among stsr wars fans with "the gritty, lived in design of the original trilogy". That reslly only comes in with the falcon (which was always portrayed as barely flightworthy and horribly behind on maintsnce) and Mos Eisly in general. Blaming the prequels for not looking like a ship thats falling apart is strange to me.

Eck underestimates how much we like his rambling videos. I enjoy hearing his thoughts on topics like these.

Can we all collectively agree the sequels don't exist

I disagree with what you said about coruscant not having a lived-in feeling. Definitely not in the films but in the clone wars it was always grimy and many things looked like they had gone decades or even centuries without cleaning.

I really think they should release the sword of the Jedi Trilogy and continue the legends timeline as a parallel universe like the marvel multiverse.

What always gets me is how some people consider that something can only be Star Wars if it is old and grungy. What people need to consider is that a lot of the Star Wars universe was modeled on the Wild West, and while you had people struggling on dusty plains and people getting into shootouts with bandits, you also at the same exact time had high class people drinking tea in the salons of Paris and London. The Core in Star Wars is like the established nations of the Old World, the Outer Rim is the rustic backwaters of the New World.

Sometimes, I have your videos on in the background, but that outro. I gotta switch back to see that pretty much every time.

There's only one dumb reason: DISNEY!

Because Jar jar Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy don't want coruscant back blame them even Disney.

I enjoyed this ramble! Hope you're keeping well dude.

Never ever change that outro !

1.Lucasfilm is now run by NPCs instead of folks who love Star Wars. 2.Disney is run by NPCs instead of folks who love Disney.

Maybe it's just me but I can't help but feel like the concept of a roaming capital is incredibly stupid in Star Wars ar least. As I understand the reason they give for the roaming capital is because they don't want any one planet to have to much power and influence in the New Republic, but unless your capital goes to every single planet in the New Republic than your just spreading the influence to various rich worlds. It doesn't address the problem that the Old Republic had of Outer Rim worlds being underrepresented and second class citizens compared to the Core Worlds. At best all it does is create pockets of underrepresented and second class planets spread between the various capital worlds. At worst it allows the capital worlds to thrive but leave the rest to rot. Politically it's absurd and practically it's ludicrous because Starships and fuel in Star Wars is expensive and unless the New Republic provides transport for all of their ambassadors the only planets who can afford to regularly relocate their ambassadors and their staff would be rich and very important worlds, which would end up being the only worlds represented and would likely be the worlds that end up hosting the capital for a time.

"I just want an excuse to read the books" explains very well why as a dedicated reader of what is now called legends, I've not been engaged with any of the new canon EU content. I've checked out maybe 1 or 2 books and nothing has felt meaningful. Possibly because they made legends out of the stories I grew up with, but the lack of anything really large and engaging is part of it. I think you nailed it

I once beat an Imperial Star destroyer with 2 bomber units. I just kept them behind the engines. When they finished an attack run you click further back behind the engines so they don’t fly over the ISD and into its fire. Then I click the next hard point and repeat.

omg..... let me guess: Justin’s strat is boarding/capture ships

Star Wars fans "so, why isn´t Coruscant not even mentioned in the new saga?" JJ Abramns "Coru- what?"

You’re right. I agree. But: In the Thrawn trilogy (books), The Empire launches a number of asteroids into space above Coruscant. Not really big or worth mentioning, but just to be complete🙃. Nice video!

*Stares in Rogue One, the Ahsoka arc of TCW season 7, Dooku Jedi Lost, Master & Apprentice, Obi-Wan and Anakin comic, Lost Stars, Queen's Shadow, Aftermath trilogy, multiple Forces of Destiny episodes, Leia: Princess of Alderaan, Dark Disciple, Charles Soule's Darth Vader comic, Tarkin novel, and the new Thrawn trilogy*

You nailed it right on the head in your opening statement. Coruscant is a PREQUEL planet. Of course Disney is going to stay FAR away from it.

As much as I liked Rey/Finn/Poe, the universe seems a lot smaller than the one in Legends. And while that might be coming eventually, I can only base my opinion on the Disney Canon that exists contemporaneously with the self that is forming the opinion.

I would say Coruscant is the SW version of ancient Rome in some ways. The eternal city, centre of the civilized world etc. But Rome was abandoned as capital which was Ravenna by some point in history. And that made sense after too many radical changes in government and so on. Same goes for Coruscant. The Clone Wars, the rise of the empire, the end of the senate (which was one of the major things defining "Coruscant" itself, many structures, millions of lives and most likely a big part of the planet´s economy was centered around this institution). With the senate gone (and Papa Palpatine surely eradicating lots of the structures that evolved around the senate during centuries) and the collapse of the empire there was simply a classic power vacuum which is usually taken advantage of by groups like the Black Sun. Without senate or emperor there was no galactic government whatsoever and Coruscant lost a major part of its identity because it was no longer the galactic capital or centre of power. The collapsing empire, growing stronger criminal factions... this will most likely damage the economy of Coruscant and just like Rome or Trantor (-> Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov) the city was too large for its own good. All the ongoing trouble may have led to insufficient availability of power, food, water, clean air... maybe not enough freighters made their way to the planet. Then you have all those beings of different species and cultures certainly leading to violent conflicts that can no longer be fought against because the lack of a proper government. So after the fall of the empire Coruscant may just not have been "capital material" anymore. And the concept of a roaming capital may seem like a logistical nightmare but it also prevents some issues that evolved on Coruscant. First: An administration that has to move often will probably not be so oversized like the od senate. Second: The perception of time. Having actual periods (until the next move) may speed up the slow processes. Third: All those structures and diplomatic alliances between dynasties of senators, the criminal underground, the local economy and so on that played a big role in the senate´s way into corruption and decadence can not grow this easily if the capital does not stay on one planet for centuries. A senator can´t create his personal network across the planet or inherit the connections of his predecessors when the environment repeatedly changes. There are surely more advantages of a galactic government not merging inseparable with one single planet. Like with the ancient Rome, the old system that has initially worked well but decayed over centuries ultimateley failed and had to be replaced. In one case by a smaller, new designed capital, in the other one by a roaming capital. Coruscant probably still was a symbol for the not so old old republic, high culture and maybe even the Jedi, just like Rome was still of symbolic value.

#AskEck May I ask a question do you think this may maybe this is how new canon work The Empire continues for a year til the battle of Jakku were sprinted into sub factions some of them form the Imperial remanent others became warlords and other became the first order

They should just use that weird time travel thing from rebels and repair everything

gonk

What EAW mod are you running? I've played with a few but I haven't seen that one before.

The only time I remember the planet showing in any Disney SW film was that quick flashback to Krennic and Galen during what was probably early construction of the Death Star in Rouge One. Has to be featured for less than 10 seconds though.