I'm afraid i don't have anything else right now .. : ) To tell u the truth i did this video just because it has been bothering me for so long to listen all this crap about xfast rods..

@@ifishcatfish You just do what you do man, I always learn something.

yes

Thank you

It feels so much better to get this off my chest. Been eating me for a long time : )

had to get it off my chest

Thank you for dropping a comment!

thank you mr Kevin

I would love to see that too!

I'm 60 years too late then : )

EXACTLY! I thought about it but i would have to repeat the same arguments again, show the same charts again, and explain again that u ONLY fight the fish with the tip, instead of with the whole rod

well, you wish too much : ) They are not even standard inside the same manufacturer. I find Shimano's labels all over the place..

@@ifishcatfish definitely, even brands from old to next generation. Definitely have to put them in the hand first

Well said! By the way i myself like fast action for twitching, to make the tip as sharp as possible. It is the extrafast actions that drive me nuts.

It’s my first and last extrafast rod.

@@RhodeRed-xm5yx Don't feel bad. I have the Soare XR, and it is so beautiful, i don't want to sell it until i find something just as pretty but with more parabolic action

That sounds about right in perfect conditions

By your own explanation, it sounds to me that i used them correctly : ). I admit i have no idea what the technical definition is, but you are saying that stiff is the opposite of flexible, and this is exactly what i meant.

It’s a very good video

well... that's worth sending a letter to them, i'd say..

I appreciate that very much.

How can u show this? Even if you cast and measure, someone can always say you sabotaged the XF rod on purpose. Or they can say they when they cast they see something else. There is no way to do this convincingly because everyone casts differently and even the same person with the same rod cannot make two identical casts. I think it is better for people to understand the principle and the physics, and make their own decision. I don't really care to convince anyone. I am showing them how things work, according to the level of my understanding, and people are free to make their own decision, and if they still want to fish with XF, i have no problem with that at all, and i am certainly not going to argue with anyone who doesn't agree with this.

where do u get your exchange rates, Bobby?

@@ifishcatfish fishing gear in Canada has almost doubled in lots of gear in the last 3years. Good thing I stocked up 3 years ago.

thank you sir!

yes, the rod is a crossbow in a way, if u think about it..

i don't know how to connect anything of what you said with my video

Maybe next year. You don't want to come across too provocative and I can tell you I don't like fishing with braid. It feels harsh and cruel, i am ripping holes in the mouth of the fish and i just personally don't enjoy that. But i will admit that on paper braid is the best: the most sensitive and the strongest per diameter. I just don't enjoy playing the fish with it.

i honestly don't know what you mean with this..

Everything is this post is wrong, everything u mentioned. Your entire first paragraph is not even on the point, as the title of the video says ACTION. This means, if you are intelligent enough for simple debate, that if everything else was the same, one action would cast farther than another. Of course there is human factor and material and all that but that is something people already know. It is the effect of action that people like YOU are wrong about. Everything you listed in your recommendations is wrong, except your trolling recommendation. Everything else is wrong, and precisely the reason for this video.

on some basic level you have to understand this: if you want the rod to catapult the bait and assist you, you need to LOAD, or COMPRESS the blank! If the black is not compressed - no catapult. If the blank is over-compressed, still no catapult. This is NOT UP TO YOUR OPINION! THis is PHYSICS! Once you make peace with this fact of physics, open my graphs again, and think of how much catapult can you get from each line.

I am removing this post because it is very long and emotional but didn't say anything at all. I make very simple points, that i expect people to address. Not just tell me things are complicated and i don't understand them. I love debate, but you have to address my points, not yap your mouth. Here is what i can offer you: set up a debate on this topic with someone and invite me. It has to be a youtube channel larger than mine or a manufacturer ... just something worth my time. I am not gona debate every heckler.. So set up a debate, and u can make your points and embarass me.

@@ifishcatfish Want a fight? You ain't getting one. Want to claim you're right because I won't debate you? Whatever man, you already lost the "debate" in my eyes when you demonstrated unwillingness and / or inability to argue in good faith. I did you the "favor" of pointing out that the information you presented within your video is deeply flawed, but that doesn't obligate me to waste hours pointing out every way in which you're wrong, nor does it obligate me to put up with temper tantrums. I provided sufficient information to get you started down the path of self-correction; it's up to you to walk it. It'll be sad if you never swallow your pride, reach out, and collect relevant information and analysis freely available from people with more experience, knowledge, and skill than you have, and you'll never know with certainty that ol' Warped was truly wrong. You don't need to debate me. You're free to reject what I've posted. Hate me forever if you like. Keep right on thinking that I must be unintelligent because there's no way you could be wrong. Whoop-de-do, don't bother me none. You, however - even a fool can see you have thin skin. So why did you post a video contradicting majority opinion? Did you think you wouldn't be challenged? Did you believe your claims to be so bullet-proof and obvious that no sane person would dare call you out? Did you not realize just how sensitive you are to being told you're wrong? IT IS YOUR DUTY TO PERFORM DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE PUBLISHING INFORMATION AS FACT, AND CORRECT THAT INFORMATION WHEN YOU DISCOVER IT TO BE IN ERROR.

The green rod in the video is perfectly SLOW. Max Slow = Max Parabolic, and that green rod was MAX Parabolic. I just don't use Slow so not to confuse people even more

Perfect. That aligns with what I thought I knew about these. I was under the impression they were pretty much synonymous but wasn’t sure after watching this and the last video. Now I know. Thanks.

That is right. It is even more right with Extra Fast, where no part of the rod ever loads properly. Regular Fast action can offer some good tradeoffs, where u want very sharp tip and maximum distance is not so important. I myself have quite a few fast action rods and i like them for jigging. XF is good for nothing though

@@ifishcatfish thank you! Love how in-depth your videos are. If I could ask a short follow-up question: would it change your answer if, in the hypothetical, the Fast was a Medium-Heavy power and the Moderate was a Medium? I assume that, if they have the same lure rating, that means that the same weight will optimally load each rod-even if they’re different powers. Is that right? Put simply: would a MM rated 1-3 cast a 2 oz lure farther than a MHF 1-3? (If you can’t tell, I’m trying to decide between two rods.)

well thats not possible... how can be different power but throw exactly the same weight? Thats the definition of power..

Tough as nails! I just wish they produced them in 7’6”

@@hikenmikes8262 mine is 8'.

got a few myself, from the old catfish days. I still keep them..

I don't see how the bait makes a difference. As long as you are loading the rod with the right WEIGHT, you can use whatever bait you want. I also don't want to get involved with techniques too much. I don't like to tell people what they should use. I want people to understand how the two actions WORK. Then if you still want extra fast action, at least you are making an informed decision, and there is nothing wrong with doing what you want to do.

What do you mean by slower and faster rod? I am talking about action. Action is parabolic, if the whole rod is similar stiffness, or progressive (fast action) if the tip is soft and blank is stiff. Neither rods is faster or slower. The recovery of rod depends on the material of the blank and is not much related to action.

@@ifishcatfish I mean the softer tip rod can create better action for jerkbaits, crankbaits, or spoons.

@@Exoskel2 no.. that doesn't even make sense. What would be the reason for such thing?

One is optimal, and one is the limit.

I give u high marks for attention and understanding. These two rods would be exactly my two recommendations if u need some extra length to get over some weeds. Honestly i cant pick between them. The yamaga blanks is just a little more sensitive but the soare is a little more confortable and much more beautiful.

Thanks for the input! I went with the Soare because I can't get over how damn pretty it looks. And the little perks like the retractable hook keeper helped too.@@ifishcatfish

@@S_Huth the 7'6 T is a keeper for life. One day they can make better rods but u never gona sell this one.

i didn't understand this. The entire video i talk about the action. And the previous video was about the action. What do u mean an opinion about the action?

Presso Air AGS 5'10 XUL. That's the rod. It will still like 1 gram better than 0.5g, but of everything i have ever tried, this is by far the best

I like to throw very light micro plastics too. It’s hard to find a budget option. I think the closest I have found is the regular Presso.

XUL and SUL refer to power, not action. They can both be moderate or fast or whatever. They will both cast one gram great. XUL is supposed to be even softer than SUL, but it varies a lot from model to model, even inside the same brand. To me XUL and SUL are the same

@@ifishcatfish Roger that, looking at MajorCraft Finetail for a budget friendly JDM option, seems they only offer SUL. I think it's time to bite the bullet to try something under UL power. Thanks again!

Tell him this: There one Lunatic in USA who say Fast and especially Extra Fast action rods actually have soft tips. I would love it if you debate him and shut him up! He will agree to debate.

I got several hecklers (though not nearly as many as i expected) and i told them i would accept a Live debate with anyone with youtube channel larger than my own. Just set it up and let me know. No takers yet but if someone wants to discuss this in a Live civilized debate, i will do it.

@@ifishcatfish I think I want to weigh in on the subject and do my own video

i don't think the action makes a different in that. The weight of the jig is what determines that.

Yes. Even completely parabolic feels a little weird. There are no completely parabolic rods, none

@@ifishcatfish yea agreed, no butt section can come close to the tip bend. If I was a manufacturer I'd have some rating system

Thank you

I don't know either of these two rods but something in this story is not right. Everything else equal, XF cannot outcast Moderate action - it is just simple physics. Either you are confusing the actions (1) or one of the rods is more expensive and has more elastic blank with faster recovery and just casts farther (2) . There might be some other explanation as well, like different guides, but what you are describing is not possible if u have two rods made of the same blank with the same guides. Maybe one is getting overloaded? You need to find the real reason so u can move on.

i don't have recommendations for rod length.. depends on your height and your comfort. I myself don't go more than 6'6 from the boat.. Except for float, but thats different

man, i gota do that!! I'ma have my son hold the camera, and ima show u guys how to set some hooks ; )

@@ifishcatfish I mean how rod power and action affect hook sets on different types of lures and tough vs soft fish lips.

@@Sebastian-lw1ei i don't want to beat a dead horse though... I think this topic is exhausted for now. Extra fast action rods have soft tips and moderate action rods have stiff tips. U can figure it out

@@ifishcatfish Sounds good. Fast action, soft tip, delayed hookup, for soft lip fish?

@@Sebastian-lw1ei I don't agree with putting the responsibility for hookups on the rod. Then what are YOU responsible for? If you jack the rod on every hookset, you gona tear a fish's face with any rod. Especially with braid. I would ban braid if i could. Take it easy on the hookup, enjoy playing the fish, and u will never tear a fish's mouth. I fish only moderate rods and haven't torn a fish's mouth in years.

i recommend the Tubular version. It would be perfect for that. All of the solid tips look like the red line in the video, but the tubular tip is nice.

@@ifishcatfishvictor …I see a version … s76UL-T….it is the only one with the T …I assume that is the one u recommend ..t being for tubular .

@@bluesky5587 yes.

a moderate action ultralight rod will NOT bend when jigging! During the entire video i left a statement in the middle of the video that said that THESE CURVES ARE ACHIEVED WHEN CASSTING 3G jig. When you cast you put a lot of force on the blank. The presso air AGS that i was talking about in this video WILL NOT BEND when jigging with 2 gram jig. It is the tip of the SOARE XR that bends on every twitch and feels mushy

Hi Victor, I agree with you. I'm expecting tomorrow getting my AIR AGS 6.1 ML version, I will let you know about my thoughts about this rod. For now only thoughts because we are having -7C degree now, best.

@@lmps5806 you got the ML? Hopefully u saw my videos that this is really an Ultralight rod. U will see what i mean then. Completely parabolic. Super STIFF tip!

Hi, DHL EST is for tomorrow by the end of the day, yes I finally bought ML version, and very curious about this rod ;). Yes, I saw most of your videos with the ML version ;).

@@ifishcatfish Hi Victor, the ML arrived. I have never had an UL rod this lenght and with a such fast recovery, impressive. Looks amazing, and can't wait to test it on the water ;).

And extra fast, they’ve gotta be fast man

Call ya…”Fast Ryan” lol

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