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I was amongst the audience and at the end of it, thought that "this talk itself is like a proof for the end of proper left and proper right in Europe".

David Goodhart, "The middle class is becoming more left wing and the working class is becoming more right wing" - I can relate to that with the people I personally know.....But maybe it's because political alignment itself is changing as Dr Steve Davies and Phillip Blond have been saying for the past year?

Goodhart trying to educate the plebs

David Goodhart annoyingly kept interrupting others when they spoke 🙄

The only conclusion I was able to draw is that these intellectuals and politicians are confused on the issues and only able to articulate positions on small parts of the picture ! I am going to watch a second time, which I have never done before on maybe hundreds viewings, to try to identify where the blind spots are and the interesting ideas - if any ?

We are an advanced social democracy. Surely we can agree that UK politics can and should be fought in the ground starting at centre-left and going as far as centre-right. What real use is far left and far right politics to us?

Second listening only got me to recognition that there is a lot of divergence of focus and priorities. Since none of the speakers are reactionaries, so that is maybe surprising ? Is it about the economy as priority vv cultural issues ? I liked David’s point about merging tax allowances of couples during infancy of offspring so that the wellbeing of young children is not pitting income against caring roles quite so drastically! That could have a positive knock on effect in relationship harmony and stability of great value to the wellbeing of young children ! And the sanity and stability of parents as long term factors in the wellbeing of children and society ! Why is that not seen as cultural capital benefitting the whole of society ? !

Another manifestation of a dialogue of the deaf. If there is a political crisis I suggest that what is happening is a shift from the struggle between Right and Left to a new struggle between Globalist and Nationalist. The experience of the XX century gave Nationalism a bad name, so it was concluded that if Nationalism is bad then Globalism is the antidote.This explains why its supporters want the EU to prosper - which is founded on the notion that borders create conflict which has historically led to war. Whichever of these two extremes appeals it must be recognized that the bigger a political group becomes, the less efficient it becomes, and smaller groups within the whole feel left out and ignored. The Soviet Union is surely a glaring example. The argument has been made, and in this the writings of Jane Jacobs comes to mind, that the largest political unit which can be made to run equitably is the city. Ancient Athens is a glowing example. Many of the mediaeval Italian cities became immensely rich by remaining as separately governed units. Modern day Singapore [ like it or not ] is likewise prosperous. Hong Kong too when it was left alone. I think a plausible argument could be made that the city of London is essentially a separate economy - separate from Scotland, The North, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Politics is a sense of duty, which is poorly taught at our table of society for it focuses only upon having sharp enough elbows to avoid going hungry because you invariably must sit next to your fat cousin.

When a billionaire is giving money away, that means he or she has taken too much from their workers or from other people.

that cant be the same rory stewart who went out with my sister back in the 60's. he is much too young.

there was an Italian chap in the 1920s who thought this, what was his name again? Began with an M?

The traditional C.20th left right divide fell upon ones view on capitalism. Broadly for or against; in which the latter could range from light touch regulation to anti capitalist revolution. The acceptance of neoliberalism on all sides (so whilst Thatcher was the handmaiden, it took Blair to truly legitimate neoliberalism and make it the only game in town) meant that both sides now agreed that the market was the best arbiter of economic policy leaving politicians to simply argue over cultural issues, in which the left often took positions broadly aligned with traditional liberalism). I believe this much is manifest in the paucity of contemporary politicians e.g. Obama declaring his central talent to be a "blank screen upon which people can project any belief" or in grinning snake oil salesmen like Blair and Cameron. Nevertheless, i still think if u scratch hard enough you'll find the old left - right divide underneath most of the pseudo cultural arguments surrounding Brexit. Whether, for example, working class Brexit voters are wrong to blame immigration rather than deindustrialization and globalisation for their plight is beside the point. The point being is that 99% of the Brexit bullshit is economic painted in a socio-cultural gloss and commentators like Rory and David here are more comfortable talking about differences in mores and manners than the fact capitalism - in varying degrees - isn't working for the vast majority of people.

The art and science of Government, Arthashastra if you like, is a multidimensional problem, which can only be projected onto a one or two dimensional plane with more or less distortion in aspect. This is all the more so as we enter the Age of Existential Hazards, both substantiated and perceived. However, this one dimensional orientation, with us since the French Revolution, dominates political identity, even as the Left and the Right have bifurcated into broadly Socialist and Social Democrat, Real Conservative and Radical, clearly requiring at least a two dimensional orientation. There is a Third way, but it is the Via Napoleonique, or, in these latter days, an Emergency Government of National Unity: we are, however, some way from that as of now.

a bunch of khazars and one lost scot...i'm so sick of the manipulating..

The traditional left vs right politics is all about who gets to tell everyone else how to live. ;) What neither left nor right understand is that the end of The Age of Empires is almost at hand. The end of top down control paradigms is almost upon us.

Goodhart: "Have you ever met any1 who wants to live in a closed society? No! I haven't. Me: "What about 17.4 million Brexiters?"

Rory will never move on into the future by being stuck on useless traditions. The queen with no power, the undemocratic unwritten constitution, the military?!?!?! The military? What was he going to say after? The empire? I'd like plenty of things from the past but I wouldn't wish them foe a whole country to keep it as backwards as Britain is. Small sheep farmers? Who are you Maria Antoinette? All you described Rory is a façade. London, that supposed to look like an International multicultural rich mega city, looks like a noisy and polluted village or small town. The City looks ugly and the metal and glass high-rises look like imitations of somewhere else. You have Avant-Garde artists living in East End cottages, for Goodness' sake. By the way, what you call yourself and describe it as Romantic, is not. But that's another conversation.

This is just another TONY BLAIR, having MI5 written in large type on his forehead. A highly intelligent fellow of course, you don't get any kind of gig with MI5 unless you are. #These people as we found out to our cost with the Iraq war speak with forked tongue. They are indeed trained to have at least two perfectly valid personas. Both of which therefore have excellent acting skills as they both believe what they are saying. However when these people are told to jump by their true employers, they never say no, just ask, how high? I don't wish to pick on Rory, he is most surely not the only one in parliament, and he won't be the last. He knows full well, who really runs the show, and it sure ain't much to do with parliament. The establishment have their place men like Rory Stewart safely installed all over our institutions, government departments, and political parties. Red, blue, or yellow dick, it makes no difference when there is no lube available, and it's time to bend over. I do however agree that left/right politics certainly should finally end, however it really never existed in the hearts of men, in the first place. This is an establishment designed concept used repeatedly to help divide, and so rule the ignorant masses, or as our owners love to call us THE UNDEAD. Our bodies are still moving but our minds were long since turned into mush. All that is good and righteous is carefully divided between two wings of the same bird. By which means the population are divided, so our establishment, more accurately known as our owners, are better enabled to make sure we get none of these, unless by accident or unavoidable necessity. Thus they remain as resplendent parasites, and we their constantly scratching hosts. The only divisions I personally recognize are, truth or lies, right or wrong, good or evil, just or unjust, us or them, the powerful or the oppressed, or put more simply, obedience to the will of our common creator, and adherence to his/her natural law, or not. This is the only divide that has ever mattered, or will ever matter.

talking is talking doing is doing doing is living most of this is a vibration but does nothing and has no meaning so is nonsense

Rory Stewart flogging a dead Blairite horse. Let it go!