The European Style Baritone

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Here's a discussion on the European style Baritone. I got this Amati four valve oval (Bohemian style) Baritone not too long ago, and have really enjoyed playing on it.
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@ThatOneHandsomeGamer 7 жыл бұрын

The piece you played at the end was a beautiful work of classical renaissance music called Darude - Sandstorm

@dreamtheaterfanboy4421 7 жыл бұрын

Cosimos Cendo,

@mlefeb 7 жыл бұрын

Could you do a video on the Chimbasso? I would love to see that.

@juanruns7693 7 жыл бұрын

Matthew LeFebvre *cimbasso

@mlefeb 7 жыл бұрын

TurtleTrombone My bad sorry

@richardgordon8110 5 жыл бұрын

Matthew LeFebvre DUDE ITS A CIMBASSO.

@PumilateVFX 4 жыл бұрын

@@richardgordon8110 he knows idiot

@saidoof9369 5 ай бұрын

Look at his knew video

@maciekszczech 7 жыл бұрын

I've got three baritones and I must say that European style of baritones is the best. Cheers mate! :) P.S. I've got the same soviet tenor and it tottaly kicks ass! :)

@catatonicbug7522 3 жыл бұрын

It's spelled "licks", not "kicks".

@Arnoldiepin 7 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Wagner Tuba's distinction of being an extension of the french horn, i.e. having a narrower bore and horn mouthpiece, more significant than which side the valve keys are? (even though the position of the keys also comes from the horn design) of course I understand that the position of the valves is the easiest thing to spot when differentiating between W. Tuba and baritone!

@mirkojorgovic 7 жыл бұрын

Wagner Tuba with horn-mouthpiece is FrenchHorn's section alternate instrument.Kaiser bariton is an alternate instrument for (jazz-band) trombone players,and notation is equal to valve-tenor trombones,and euphonium's treble-clef notation

@brusselsponyclub4387 7 жыл бұрын

wagner horn we call it. :)

@aidanchristensen1581 4 жыл бұрын

Wagner tuben (or "tubas") also use a horn mouthpiece, and are in both tenor and bass variations or Bb/F and F/CC (BBb) respectively

@BassTrombone95 7 жыл бұрын

I think that instrument might have a medium shank. I have heard that they have a mouthpiece shank size between the small and large over in Europe for some of their baritones and tenor trombones, so this could be an example of that.

@LAD0GER 7 жыл бұрын

The piece is my life CRAWLING IN MY SKIN THESE WORDS WILL NEVER HEAL

@stevrsc 7 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, you once did a video where you demonstrated an old American baritone. If you still have that, a comparison between that horn and this would be nice. Seem to sound simular. Adding a euphonium for a complete comparison would be even better.

@lbrown21494 7 жыл бұрын

The medium shank (or European shank) is in between small and large. It's most common use was on old Besson euphoniums prior to about 1974. I have a besson new standard that uses this style. If you want a good mouthpiece in this size, check out the Denis wick 4AM or 6BM. Same as the 4AL or 6BL but with a medium shank. Also, The DEG Brian Bowman series are available in this shank size. European shank as it's called. We had an almost identical shank in the U.S. called the Remington shank, used on certain Conn euphoniums.

@varatic644 7 жыл бұрын

My fav instrment

@MrDavidBHarris 2 жыл бұрын

These horns are typically used in Balkan/Roma brass bands from Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia. Nearly every one of these types of brass bands sport at least 2 or 3 of these, honking out the chords in rhythms. Usually a helicon rotary tuba pumps out bass lines and rotary trumpets play melody, accompanied by clarinet and/or sax. Check out Boban Marcovitch from Serbia

@seanmoore1753 7 жыл бұрын

A euro shank mouthpiece would probably fit because it is in between a large and small shank mouthpiece.

@yuckymike 5 жыл бұрын

Wagner Tubas are also in the key of F like a French Horn or Mellophone

@aidanchristensen1581 4 жыл бұрын

They are in both tenor and bass variations or Bb/F and F/CC (BBb)

@aidanchristensen1581 4 жыл бұрын

Wagner tuben (or "tubas") also use a horn mouthpiece, and are in both tenor and bass variations or Bb/F and F/CC (BBb) respectively

@xyachsincrep693 3 жыл бұрын

I just got my Soviet tenor from Ukraine. It plays wonderfully and yes it has 3 valves. Excellent vids my friend, cheers.

@vincentNJTransit 7 жыл бұрын

Hello mr. Hamilton! I'm a young tubist in New Jersey and love your content. I've always wondered, how many instruments do you own? Every few weeks it seems that you show us a different instrument, and it's always an oddity. Where did you get them? Where and how do you store them? Thanks!

@TrentHamilton 7 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how many instruments I own. It's a fair few. Most are either Chinese instruments bought online, and others are bought from Auction sites. One or two have been sent to me.

@Bennim 7 жыл бұрын

I love the new outro!

@mikemusikable 2 жыл бұрын

Wagner tubas are played with french horn mouthpiece. Therefore they played lefthand like the French horns

@migueldiharce6029 7 жыл бұрын

That is The Goblin's Rondo by Antonio Bazzini.

@isetta4083 6 жыл бұрын

these ones... look painful to me, as is the same with wagner Tubas, I feel uncomfortable looking at them and their curved bell. Great showcase as always

@conradoescudero7359 7 жыл бұрын

There's one of these hanging outside of our local music store and I've always wondered what it was, it's really cool!

@decasaint532 Жыл бұрын

these are the main mid-low brass instruments in Balkan brass bands, in fact it's usually only them and flugelhorns

@MrInitialMan 7 жыл бұрын

Well thank you! I now know why my rotary baritone (the sorry, sorry relic I emailed you about) and my piston-valve baritone look so different.

@199derek 7 жыл бұрын

It's goblins rondo. We played this last year

@RamraiderEVO 6 жыл бұрын

The piece at the end is dance of the goblins originally composed for violin

@kc0jtl 6 жыл бұрын

I always refer to this style as a Continental baritone to distinguish it from the British style brass band baritone.

@TooSlowTube 7 жыл бұрын

If you wrap some tape around the shank of your small bore mouthpiece, it will fit better, and sit further out. Sellotape Diamond is a good one for that. You can also try clear plastic heat shrink tubing, if it needs a bit more - just shrink it onto the shank with a hair dryer or a lighter. It will still pull off, because of the taper.

@martineyles 6 жыл бұрын

TooSlowTube Maybe PTFE tape too.

@bardjelsness2856 7 жыл бұрын

Goblins rondo

@TrentHamilton 7 жыл бұрын

Congratulations! I wasn't expecting anyone to get that so fast. Send me a message or an email.

@chillbrass8000 7 жыл бұрын

Trent Hamilton hey I love your videos I wish u could do more of them u r 1 of the best players if seen

@Bennim 7 жыл бұрын

lucky...

@megabossgarcia1913 7 жыл бұрын

Bård Jelsness

@bardjelsness2856 7 жыл бұрын

Tormod Flaten played it last summer when I was at a band camp with him as one of the teachers

@jamesburnett7085 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a Wagner Tuba, and commented about it on a different segment. I now see my error. My bad! I go my way enlightened and grateful.

@txsphere 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for discussing the difference from the Wagner horn.

@aidanchristensen1581 4 жыл бұрын

Furthermore Wagner tuben (or "tubas") also use a horn mouthpiece, and are in both tenor and bass variations or Bb/F and F/CC (BBb)

@maxball9398 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Trent, Speaking of Wagner tubas, could you do some reviews of Wagner tubas or French horns? Love your vids!

@TheMler 7 жыл бұрын

In a Polka we know two parts for the low melodie parts. The higher part called Tenorhorn and the lower part Baritone. Everey Polka needs a Tenorhorn, a Bariton and two Fluegelhorns parts for the melodie. The turning dircetion is differnt if you take an other brand! There is a dimension between the small trombone and the large trombone mouthpice. A Melton or a Miraphone Tenorhorn use the same mouthpeace dimension! The sound of this Baritone isn't very nice. Greats from Germany.

@DariusCBorz 7 жыл бұрын

In Romania we call them BassFlugelhorns.

@janprovaznik1613 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the same in Czech Republic

@l3v.b 7 жыл бұрын

I play on this instrument. This not wagner tuba, wagner tuba small mouthpiece.

@jackodoyle2061 7 жыл бұрын

you really went all out on the merch great work as always

@brananherndon6947 5 жыл бұрын

The Wagner Tuba or Wagner Horn is played like a French Horn and uses the same mouthpiece. Wagner wanted a french horn with a tuba's tone quality, that is why the valves are controlled by the left hand, like a french horn. I am not sure of the key it is played in but that is the basics of it.

@aidanchristensen1581 4 жыл бұрын

They are in both tenor and bass variations or Bb/F and F/CC (BBb)

@Entety303 7 жыл бұрын

I agree with the tenor horn and baritone.

@peterbrassman935 7 жыл бұрын

Mentioned here Wagner tuba also has a french horn mouthpiece.

@mr.starfish4965 3 жыл бұрын

It’s probably Josef Klier’s Baritone Shank.

@michaelshelley1289 7 жыл бұрын

i have the "american marching baritone" with the curved bell....(i think look the best out of all of them) it sounds AMAZING....it is over 80 years old and is in pristine condition. just sharing is all......but wondering if all "baritones" have the same length tubing???

@Entety303 7 жыл бұрын

They do.

@SamuelPlaysBrass 7 жыл бұрын

My school has an American-style baritone with the forward-facing bell. All of the finish has peeled off at this point, and the leadpipe is horrid. On the bell section the year 1946 is etched. However, it is such a beautiful sounding horn! I believe it definitely compares to a euphonium in the middle register when it comes to the typical "mellow" euphonium sound, but this baritone is incredibly lacking in the department of "direct" and "brassy" sound. Nonetheless quite a nice instrument considering its age.

@TheRunnoft 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Trent Hamilton, could you play Morceau Symphonique on Trombone? I'm actually playing it for a college audition and would love to hear it.

@Soccerfan133 7 жыл бұрын

Brandon Smith that piece is so fun, listen to Dave werdens recording for the best one (in my opinion), gorgeous piece, I played it on euphonium. Good luck either way!

@erentar2002 7 жыл бұрын

Chick Republic

@masterpage69420 7 жыл бұрын

Gotta love the Kiwi accent

@catatonicbug7522 3 жыл бұрын

That's the place where Wonder Woman comes from!

@Arnoldiepin 7 жыл бұрын

Do you know the opening solo from Mahler's Seventh Symphony? (for Tenorhorn in German nomenclature)

@ObtuseArmadillo 7 жыл бұрын

The song is Bazzini, or The Goblins Rondo.

@christroiano121 7 жыл бұрын

The Dance of Goblins by Bazzini

@mouse3355 4 жыл бұрын

That instrument you're shaking around is actually called 'Tenor Horn' in most of European countries, I guess. A catalogue I happen to have (from 'Gebr. Alexander Mainz' one) shows lots of French Horns, some Tenor Horns, Baritones, Tubas and Wagner Tubas! So I'm very clear about that! (Alexander model no. reference 146 (tenor horn) & 150 (baritone)...) Man, that's confusing!!!

@mouse3355 4 жыл бұрын

I don't know. Just kill me

@TrentHamilton 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a smaller three valve version that is definitely a tenor horn, but I was fairly sure this version is a baritone in Europe.

@mouse3355 4 жыл бұрын

@@TrentHamilton I don't know anymore.. Why on earth they created so confusing ones! Thanks for clarifying BTW!

@tamasfoldesi5987 2 жыл бұрын

@@TrentHamilton And you were right for the most part. To be more precise, the official names of these 2 kinds of instruments are tenorhorn and baritone horn, or just tenor and baritone if we are lazy, but officially both have the word horn in them. At least in my country (Hungary). And as you've said, the difference between them is the bore, most apparent on the leadpipe, bell, and the section right before it. (Sorry, I'm not entirely sure if it's still called a bow in English or not in this situation, because it looks kinda different then on a tuba or U.S. style baritone. In many places in Europe, that part of the instrument is called the anstoß. Not in the UK of course.) And the funny thing is, that confusion is mutual. If we compare the U.S. style to the european, what people in the U.S. generally call a baritone, I'd definitely call that a tenorhorn. Kinda weird. And what you've said about valve orientation and articulation is interesting. I've never actually realized that before. Maybe I'll pay more attention to it next time I playtest one after I repaired it. But you know, nothing is perfect. The reason we still prefer rotary valves on everything except for trumpets, is that on bigger instruments, the springs make too much noise and the action feels kinda bad on pistons. At least that's how I feel about them. On trumpets we still prefer pistons as well though.

@tamasfoldesi5987 2 жыл бұрын

@@mouse3355 On average, it's not that confusing. For example the one hanging on the wall is definitely a tenorhorn. And there are some cases when it has such a huge bore (relatively speaking), that you can easily tell, that it's a baritone horn. But there are some cases in between, when even professionals can't agree. Approximately 1-1,5 years ago, when I was a student, my colleagues couldn't really agree on which one it is that I repaired at the time. So yeah, although on average it's pretty obvious, sometimes it's not, but in those cases it doesn't even matter that much, because if you can't tell the difference by looking at it, then you'll not hear it either. But I'd agree that probably these horns are the most confusing among brass instruments.

@zacharyharper7837 7 жыл бұрын

"And this is, this"

@lukefunk8865 7 жыл бұрын

I love your intro music!

@benfuller5556 7 жыл бұрын

ShowingSummer what's it called

@alansklenar2848 6 жыл бұрын

These style came out of Czechoslovakia,and were curved for musicians riding on horseback.This is also called a tenor horn

@jackhousman6637 7 жыл бұрын

Greeting, Trent. Thanks for your great videos. Greetings from me in New Jersey, U.S.A.. My brother and nephew live in Israel and both play Euphonium (or maybe Baritone, they aren't sure.) We all enjoy your talks. Question: Am i correct that this instrument is the "tenorhorn in B flat" that Mahler calls for, for the solos in the first movement of his Seventh Symphony? Mahler was from Bohemia, in what is now the Czech Republic. (Then Austro-Hungarian Empire). Thanks, and keep up the good work. Question 2: Do you have a video on the Cimbasso, a contrabass valve trombone that Verdi called for, before the tube was well-known in Italy?

@ThePobb111 6 жыл бұрын

Mahler was writing for a Tenor Horn in Eb, however, most often it gets played on the Euphonium. Also Trent does not have a video on the Cimbasso.

@chiwea123 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Trent, im arranging a piece for my G-D bugle, but you can play a lot of music as long as it only involves one scale (no key change) and no accidentals. Unless those accidentals are high.

@VisualAssault2011 Жыл бұрын

You stated that some of the chemicals you use for cleaning are a bit "whiffy"... have you considered using lemon juice? I use it for cleaning all my brass and silver; just give it a good rinse with water after, and then buff up with a dry towel...

@armandogiordano1226 7 жыл бұрын

So much information, as always!

@thenebulouscollective3573 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Mr. Hamilton, I'm a decent euphoninist going into my 5th year of playing, but everyone else I seem to know is doing so much better at their instrument than I am, even though I pour in somewhere around 60 hours in a month into it. Do you have any suggestions on how to get better,seeing as how you are such an incredible player?

@Aardvark892 2 жыл бұрын

Bohemian indicates part of what used to be called the Czech Republic, right?

@MichaelSidneyTimpson Жыл бұрын

Do Wagner Tubas have mouthpieces like French Horns? Is the Anglo-Baritone more like a Bass Cornet? And how does this sit in the Baritone to Euphonium spectrum? For some reason I thought they called this a "Tenor Tuba" in Germany.

@douglasfur3808 7 жыл бұрын

lucky dog, another nice horn. I'd like to hear something more melodious. How about a 3way comparison of this horn a British tradition baritone band a euphonium. I'm imagining something like Shostakovich 2nd waltz.

@TrentHamilton 7 жыл бұрын

I'm planning a video like that in the new year sometime.

@clayton3590 4 жыл бұрын

In america we mostly use euphoniums

@alexfred3705 7 жыл бұрын

I like finding out about a all these different instrument. How do u pay for them all

@MateoFrancisco 7 жыл бұрын

for playing a song can you play washington post by sousa?

@generaljefe2749 7 жыл бұрын

Trent can you play the Moscow Parade by Gerhard Trede?

@wt4629 7 жыл бұрын

As many people have said, it uses a European size shank receiver

@hakunakahuna Жыл бұрын

I have a baritone of this style, except mine has three rotaries instead of four.

@planetcrypto8662 3 ай бұрын

"Not much of a brass player" - owns a brass museum that would put the musical instrument museum to shame

@charleskleesattel6477 3 жыл бұрын

Wagner tuba is pitched in F.

@scarroll451 4 жыл бұрын

H Trent! Where did you get the wires for hanging the horns in the back, or did you just buy wire or rod of a certain gauge, amd bend them yourself? Ever worry about bumping them upward and pushing them off the hook and onto the floor?

@LilyJaneH 7 жыл бұрын

So it uses the traditional European Euphonium Shank mouthpiece (what Americans call medium bore and treat as the worst shank of them all for an instrument in this pitch range.)?

@aaronhastie830 7 жыл бұрын

Can you demonstrate the different types of articulation produced by the opposing rotation of the valves?

@veiledzorba Жыл бұрын

Don't like the thumb ring?

@chiwea123 7 жыл бұрын

You should be able to play Clarke's version of the carnival of venice on that two valve bugle. Look up the video of a 1989 scv baritone player playing it.

@IamRorke 6 жыл бұрын

Try using valves other than first and second

@trichards109 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Trent nice video love the channel and keep up the good work!

@MichaelSidneyTimpson 7 жыл бұрын

when are you doing a review of Wager Tuben?

@a_literal_brick 7 жыл бұрын

So.. not the baritone that you fixed the braces on?

@Vitalandinc Жыл бұрын

its also called king of waltz

@musicstuff6670 6 жыл бұрын

I noticed on the beginning on that frase with fast notes,You tense up. Relax,fingers do the hard work.

@nikolayiliev-trumpettrombo1666 2 жыл бұрын

did you really have to start with the flying fingers thing from Ruslan and Ludmila :-) ?

@that1boi476 6 жыл бұрын

I play Euphonium and the American marching Baritone

@wyattgilles8013 7 жыл бұрын

The piece kind of sounds like The Entry of the Gladiators..

@ryanatour 7 жыл бұрын

You are the good on KZfaq.

@marcstephan2940 7 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's not a Wagner Tuba. It's just a Bariton. With only three valves an smaller bore you call it a "Tenorhorn". A Wagner Tuba is much smaller and the valves are made for the left hand because it was played by french horn players in orchestra.

@tamasfoldesi5987 2 жыл бұрын

Tenorhorns can have 4 valves as well.

@adalbertd Жыл бұрын

What is the range of these baritone? lowest note? I have a similar one.

@bernhardwall6876 2 жыл бұрын

The instrument I played in high school, we called it a baritone, but its shape was that of a euphonium. But "euphonium" is harder to picture in your mind. Today, if I had to explain it to non-musicians, I would call it a baritone horn. You know what a horn is, and "baritone" also, perhaps.

@tyshawnwilliams846 7 жыл бұрын

can u make a video about a matching baritone and upho

@leo_lcw 7 жыл бұрын

isn't it tenor horn

@willemkossen 7 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what piece that is. And that isnt a problem as i don't particularly like it. The closing music is great though!

@genericide8231 7 жыл бұрын

I really wish that woodwinds had this same variety of instruments that we can see in the brass family. It's kinda depressing to know that the flute we see now is the essentially the best one we have, and the older flutes, while nice to have around, are no where near as refined, technique-wise, projection-wise, etc. If there was a similar sort of situation, I don't think I'd have any money left!

@VitaMaster909 7 жыл бұрын

I like the new outro

@gabelanier4423 7 жыл бұрын

Flight of the Bumblebee?

@DieMoreno 7 жыл бұрын

Gabe Lanier boi

@gabelanier4423 7 жыл бұрын

Mark Moreno Whoops.

@swanson5014 6 жыл бұрын

Ridiculous answer

@carlosreyes3528 7 жыл бұрын

It the piece at the end Napoli by Herman bellstedt?

@bethpaton5667 6 жыл бұрын

It is called a baritone horn

@brettclark4096 7 жыл бұрын

have you tried a European/medium shank piece yet?

@TAJadventures 7 жыл бұрын

Ive seen these things all over ebay. Ive been thinking about buying one of those russian oval baritones, because theyre so cheap. Do you think its worth it?

@rorschach162 6 жыл бұрын

Not unless you can get your $$$ back if it has air leaks.