Mr Beswick you should have told the Renault dealer to drive you 290 miles on one charge to prove it wasn’t your driving

The range numbers are so off I wouldn't be surprised this will end up in class action suits all over the world.

I can see the Lawyers lining up in a few years. “Did you buy an electric car between 2018 & 2026? If you did, call this number now. We can help with your financial misery”.

Sounds like the dealers are in denial, like lots of people about lots of hyped-up nonsense.

I'm 57, and I can remember a science class that I was in when I was 15, and the talk was about electric cars. One of my mates said, and it sticks with me to this day, "I hope I'm gone by then". He's still with us, but yes, they weren't wanted before they became a thing. I'll never own one.

I bought my EV just over 8 years ago, it has now still only done slightly more than 40 k miles, yet the battery degradation is 42%. It has never been rapid charged too much or left at 100% for long periods, which is the normal retort when degradation occurs. The fact is all EV lithium ion batteries degrade with time and use cycles. It is just what they do. I was curious about EV's, but my curiosity has now been satisfied. The result is that in my experience, EV's are just not fit for purpose, and I will never buy another EV ever again !

‘Cut the cord’. Break free and ditch the EV…!

I have no problem with EVs and probably could make use of one on a limited basis. I just don't want to be told to have to buy one predicated upon a fallacy.

When they test mileage, no wind, hills, acceleration, heater, A/C, wipers, radio, turn signals, headlights, heavy loads like potting mix, passengers, so when the elderly man wants the dealer to explain. The dealer should tell him sorry sir, mileage claims on new cars are a total lie.

Buying a ev ? Big mistake. Buying a French ev ? Wtf, give your head a wobble.

Batteries perform even less well when the weather is cold. A lot less well.

I retained my petrol car at the start of all this and as it is a Toyota it is still running perfectly. I have no plans to change until the current nonsense is resolved

You can get stress for free, why would you want to pay for it by purchasing a battery powered car?

Once Macron is gone, the Paris accord will fall and all regulations for pushing full electric by 2035 will be cancelled... It is impossible to anyhow even provide electricity if all cars where electric, you would need 1 EXTRA nuclear power plant per every 1.5 million citizens, (which is di per se an utopia) The downside though is that used car market especially like the 911 will tank by 70 % (one third of current asking prices), but the good news is that new car prices will also fall down as consequence. The whole thing about electric vehicles was about that if you owned a petrol car after 2035, you could only purchased it o the used market from private citizen to private citizen, so not even through dealers AND IF YOU DID BUY AN ELECTRIC VEHILCE>>>> WELL YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BUY ONE BUT ONLY RENT. This is all history now and by 2026, the law amendments will come in place and the whole EV BS will be gone for good.

Like your opening example, similar experience with my Renault Zoe and my replacement MG5 second generation. Stated range is not the actual range . Summer range is not maintained in the winter months when temps drop to 0c to 10c. Car garaged overnight. This is blatant misrepresentation by the dealer/manufacturer. My driving style is old git in Eco mode. We need a class action for each offending manufacturer.

Add to that the number of insurance write offs caused by relatively minor damage to battery enclosures requiring replacement batteries. It's going to be quite a while before I consider going electric.

An EV instead of my straight 6? No thanks!

Looking to the future I can see a lot of EV's being 'stolen' or 'trashed' if you catch my drift. This is not a suggestion nor offering an exit plan for some, But I really think with the Insurance Premiums on EV's being thru the roof, I think the Insurance industry are already ahead of this. That's also why all us petrol and diesel folk are paying thru the nose with renewal premiums being up 40 to 50% on last year. The NON EV drivers are already paying the cost of the failed EV EXPERIMENT. We have ALL been shafted.

When the manufacturers come up with the idea of ev's, do they think " how brill an ev" and then go off like a bolted horse into the future and realise years later that a horse would go further.

Electric cars are a waste of money, and they are dangerous. I live in Tasmania, Australia, and if you own an electric car, you are shit out of luck when it comes to changing . On a trip to Western Australia, we came across 20 electric cars on the side of the road with no battery charge left in the car.

Heres one from Australia. From Sydney to Tamworth is 400km. My 4ltr ford falcon will easily cover this distance in approx. 5 hours(with a 30 min break for toilet/food) and still have about 150/200kms left in the tank. This is driving at the posted speed, 110 kms on motorways and 100kms on open road. I have not heard of an EV that manage that distance in one bite. This is on main highways. More outback roads and you may well be looking at 2, 3, 4 hours between garages who will not have EV charging points and are unlkkely to get them put in any time soon. This is food for thought in a county like Austrslia.

Nothings going to change with manufacturers claims about range/mpg…. How can you drive around a test track at a constant 56mph and come out with some super duper figures that is not reality . I run a van and have yet to see a review of a electric van with it fully loaded , like in the real world ,

To me this kills the case for EVs, lousy range even when claimed and worse still on the road.

I won't be buying an EV until it's absolutely not possible to purchase anything else. Dreadful range, horrific depreciation and lack of infrastructure for charging. I can't even get my head around the eco aspect of an EV when they are manufactured using cadmium and nickel.

i am 77 years old and though about buying a ev ,but now have changed my mind,stick to my petrol car now .

Mate has just taken delivery of a polestar 2 he phoned me after travelling 50 miles his words this is the absolute pile of excrement

Well my Scottish friend I have seen this story somewhere else before and I had to have a smirk when I first heard it. Now I live in Australia (originally born and bred in Sussex) and frankly this story is so true to what is going to happen out here as the distances as you may appreciate are much greater than in the UK if especially you live in a rural like I do in NSW. For example my regular shopping trip is an 80kms plus (50 miles) and that is often twice a week. Now if I want to travel to say Sydney my trip would be a round trip (plus any distance travelled while there) of 800kms (500 miles)!! That would cause me so much anxiety about the range and given the lack of charging infrastructure out here simply could make one completely certifiable. If it is of any interest or comfort to the old country our current government out here is hell bent on net zero and this EV insanity and frankly the whole issue is a hideous nonsense.

and if you can’t charge at home….

How can he call himself a engineer when he gets a EV?

Its amazing. I do the calculation with a normal drive for me (about 280 miles one way) with no super chargers available en route and inevitably the comment is "most people only drive 30 miles a day!" Great. For everyone else who actually needs the transport the EV just won't cut the mustered. It gets worse considering charging limitations. Most homes cannot support charging an EV or would require extensive upgrades to do so. This push to turn everything into an EV is just madness.

only good for MILK FLOATS MATE

A bad solution to an imaginary problem.

Not have ev even if free

And don't forget that you weren't supposed to charge them up above 80% and drain them below 30% to protect your battery. This leaves you with 50% use of battery, therefore 50% of the claimed range...

I own two EV cars and one Electric motorcycle. Over 4 years of driving, no issues to report. Took a trip to Florence Italy from the UK again no problems. My experience has been wonderful even my wife would not go back to ICE and she could care less about fuel propels the vehicle. For us EV’s make sense and has enabled us to use our cars to go where we want without worrying about fuel costs. I say choose what suits you best.

EV'S =sH1TE

I have been around a long time, 7 decades long in fact. On a technical note, all these battery cars seem to have the "touch screen" in the middle of the car, you know where the radio/8track used to sit in cars made back in civilised times. At about the time I am recalling, some folks bought new fangled miniature tv's to sit on their dashboards. The result was a lack of due diligence road safety wise. TV's were banned in the front of cars! So can someone explain to me, if, as shown, taking your eyes off the road to watch Benny Hill chase some scantily clad lasses around a field is a bad idea, how come on these monstrosities you have to spend so much time looking at a tv screen in order to select all the functions that were on handily placed switches, accessible without taking your eyes off the road

EV's, an illogical solution to an imaginary problem. These toy cars are not ready to replace ICE vehicles and may never be.

Serves him right for buying a French P.O.S...EV or not... The problem ive got is that driving isnt fun anymore, theyve sucked the enjoyment out of it. I used to drive for a living, im now office based and I now despise it when ive got to cover a route if a drivers off sick.

If you live in London or any other big city, have a space to charge the vehicle and use the car for short commuting or shopping, then EV's make sense. For the rest of the 99% of us they are as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Try telling the government. Net zero will be forced upon us .

A colleague from work got a Renault Zoe 6 months ago. He got rid of it fast. He told me the range was hopeless even for local driving. He's back in a practical petrol car now.

The most interesting thing about EV's is that the fuel tank gets smaller every time you fill it up 😮

The ignorance on EV is just astonishing 😮‍💨….

I used to have a 62kwh Leaf, I bought it in 2021 and part exchanged it in 2023 for £12000, a loss of £8000. I am back to a diesel BMW 640d convertible and am a lot happier! Never again. Am a newbie to your channel, thanks for the content.

I’d be upset if I won an EV. Electric is not the answer.

The thing that amuses me about electric cars is that we are told that they work best between 20 and 80 percent so that’s 20 per cent off your expected range before you set off

I filled up with diesel, the gauge said "900 Klm unitl enpty" 100 Meters down the road it went to "700 Klm until empty" Should I burn the vehicle and get compensation ?

I think European governments are slowly making it too expensive for poorer people to run petrol/diesel cars, with higher road tax and ridiculous rises in insurance they will eventually force people out of car ownership.

No it is Mr Bestwick’s fault, he bought a milk float but is attempting to drive it like a car. Firstly as little as 60% of the battery range is an available for driving: never let it fall below 20% and never charge beyond 80% if you want to preserve the most expensive part of the vehicle (the battery). Best mileage will only be found at very low speeds. Stick to the 20mph zones and you’ll be fine!

How can anyone in this day and age, be unaware of the pitfalls regarding EV's.? The frightening thing, is that these idiots are actually allowed to vote!

On the flipside of the depreciation there are some genuine bargains to be had at the moment, if you can live with the range and charging hassle.

My mate got a Kona on a three year lease..cost of car new £41,000 he had the car three years and did 19,000 miles, the charge went down to 185 miles, he returned the car and the garage has the car for sale on the forecourt for £12,000

It’s refreshing to hear a Scottish voice which is not negative.

I'm Keeping my 17 y/o V6 as long as I can. The range has not decreased over time. On a Melbourne to Sydney run (900 km appx 9.5 hrs) I know that I'll get l 700+ km, no matter what the weather is doing, it takes 3 minutes to refuel no need to worry about where the next refuel stop is. With 4 up and a 100kg electric wheelchair in the back. Try that in an EV

What I would have said to the Garage is right let's charge it up and go for a drive because you are calling me a liar.

I own an EV and I do not recognise the issue Mr Beswick has. I was a total sceptic about EVs and still am to a point, however, I decided to try it. The car range given is 300 miles however it's usually around 250- to 275 depending g on the type of road and speed plus weather. I use the Car every day for business covering around 100-120 miles a day, & and for usual domestic use I am averaging about 4.2 Miles to the Kwh, so how far do you need to go on a charge, Since I had the car 18months ago the infrastructure has massively improved, especially on Motorways & in towns. In fact, as the car has aged battery performance has got better. In fact, try this one I recently went to Scotland on Holiday for 1500 Miles, no issues with range or charging, I do agree with the longer journeys you have to plan, I try to have a lunch break whilst it charges which takes from 40% to 90% about 40 mins. I do agree EVs have a long way to go and are probably not the answer to future motoring however ther are too sides to this story

I am on my 2nd Electric car although I have never had a problem for the 3/4 years, I am handing the car back in a few wks, and going back to petrol after seeing Mr Butler's video, I would never of put my self or family in a proven dangerous car, it certainly needs to be better Publicity on the pit falls of the Electric type vehicle's. William Hancock

Wait until a long vold period comes; see what the range is then. But why buy? Expensive, heinous depreciation, heavy insurance costs, range anxiety, did I mention range anxiety ( how does one seriously plan a long trip?), charging issues etc, etc….just why?

Profits at the German auto giant Mercedes plunged on Friday as sales of its slick new range of electric vehicles (EVs) went into freefall. Porsche abandoned its sales targets for battery-powered cars amid waning demand from customers. Ford is losing nearly $50,000 (£39,000) on every EV it sells, while Tesla’s profits dropped 45pc. Meanwhile, battery manufacturers such as Germany’s Varta are getting wiped out. Over the last few days, it has become clear that the EV industry is on the brink of collapse. Hundreds of billions of euros, dollars and pounds have been pumped into this industry by political leaders and the subsidy junkies that surround them - and it is surely time they were held to account for the vast quantities of taxpayer cash that has been wasted.

Ditch EV's they are not worth the problems the Grid cant handle them let alone all the rest of the crap

Imagine buying a car based on 30mpg and turns out to be less than 20. The companies would be open to litigation. EV manufacturers are getting away with it.

I have just bought a 2.0 tdt Passat with 46k on the clock and drove it down to Cornwall from Glasgow. 10 hours without out refueling and a 30 minutes stop. 250 miles range still left in the tank. Beat that ev lolvers.

Imagine if he had a lead foot and into a headwind. What would he get, 75 range? EVs got a long way to go.

Don't charge over 80% or under 20% means you only use 60% to start with.

My BMW iX3 is coming up 3 years old and 60 thousand miles, has been fault and hassle free and gets close to the quoted range.... all it has needed is 1 service and two rear tyres... I guess I am unique in my experience 😂

EV cars are sh17e.

electric vehicles will never be viable until a solid state battery is developed

E V stands for Educational Vehicle as one of these is a real education in trying to get around.

They'll just increase petrol prices like they did with diesel prices after everyone bought a diesel, they'll use excuses like Miliband stopped us drilling.

The first winter usually opens the eyes of those who have been affected by an electric car

I have an Outlander PHEV. It's a great compromise. No range anxiety. I originally bought it when hybrids were London Congestion Charge exempt and electricity was MUCH cheaper than it is now. In 2025, I'll have to start paying road fund licence on it.

It's been the same for decades, politicians have an idea that appeals to their vanity and virtue signalling and the poor 'ordinary' people have yo pay thru the nose for it with EV's being the latest. You will always get a section of the public who are gullible to gov propaganda and those who also love to virtue signal. In the case of EV's it's costing them dearly.

The next government is completely fixed on EV's and will make life very difficult for us fossils who can see that whilst this this is not the ultimate future, EV's are not the answer. I have just bought a new BMW M340d and this does 48 mpg day in and day out with a tank range of 600 miles. Even my BMW dealer said don't buy an EV (he knew I wouldn't anyway), but dealers are being forced to sell the EV 'dream' because of government policy and it is failing. They fail on every level including range, repairability, insurance cost, massive and instant depreciation and they are a fire risk. Case made and closed. Wake up out there!

My friend has a Tesla Y and this does no-where near the range it should I am only 237 miles away and he can not do it in one go and when we went out on tour in Corwall range was well under 200 and that was in the summer with no lights or heating. There is also a massive fire loading in Lithium Ion batteries that we are seeing worldwide when fires occur you cannot put them out. the biggest type of growing fire risk.

All of these range estimates are nonsense. They don’t account for how vehicles are being used in the real world. When they create those range estimates they want to sell the car and tell you you’ve got as many miles per charge as possible. Not ‘please turn off the heaters and drive in eco-mode to get the max range of the vehicle when driven conservatively’ but realistically when you’ve got two kids and a boot full of shopping and you’ve got the heaters on as it’s a cold winter morning and then you look at your range estimate, no wonder it’s half. 😅 when they can do 1000 Miles per charge I’ll be happy, as I know I can sacrifice 100 miles of range a day to use the car as an actual car.

What was Mr Beswick thinking? He must be driving in winter which is not covered by the car's specs. He should know that an EV's range falls in cold weather.

I run both an EV and an oil burner. If I had to have only one, it would be the oil burner hands down.

What people need to realise is, the tech that's in these EV cars, the companies have had it for at least 50 yrs. I'm sure they have far more advanced tech that could easy be made available so everyone could drive an ev with the same standards or better than you get with a petrol or diesel. However, due to greed and control, this won't happen.

EV’s must be the biggest mistake ever. No one tells us of the cost (human and environmental) of mining the lithium, the fact that in between six and eight years the battery will have died and the replacement cost is more than the car is worth so scrap it. Range is crazily overstated. Refilling, apart from at home, is often more than fossil fuel costs etc. etc. so why haven’t the Government looked at bio fuels, hydrogen and other options? Because none of them live in the real world and all they think about is votes and what is in it for them, arghh! Rant over, have a great day.😊😊

Lithium ion batteries were designed for small devices like mobile phones and laptops, even then after a couple of years of use their capacity has degraded, which is one of the reasons they are still used in mobile phones as it gives a good a reason for people to throw them out and buy a new phone every few years. Putting thousands of lithium ion batteries in a car with many of them wired in series so if one goes dodgy you've then lost a load more in that same series, is the worst idea anyone had. You then end up burning a lot of power on just carting the weight of the batteries around. Do people really think their car uses green or renewable energy? What is most likely, when you buy your new EV and plug it in to charge, do they immediately erect a new wind turbine or add a dozen more solar panels to the solar farm for it to get green energy, or do they just ramp up the gas fired power station to compensate for the extra draw on the grid?

EV Drivers: **floors the throttle every time someone wants to pass** Same EV Drivers: I HAVE NO RANGE!!!

I hope some of the EV evangelists watch this video. Most buyers have paused their EV enthusiasm.

Electric cars, particularly with the claims made about range will be the next mis-selling scandal. I am considering getting one as a result and keeping it in the garage until the lawyers-4-U adverts start. It will make a tidy sum as an auction curiosity too.

Range not as described, sue dealership and manufacturer. This will come!!

I had to make the choice in late May full EV or other, I live fairly rural West Highlands , every week for the last 4 weeks we’ve had road long closures due to accidents with some diversions being in excess of 100 miles, with an elderly mother on the east coast decided EVs not for me, well the ones I could afford were not for me.

My dealer tried to get me to go electric when I renewed my Motability contract I did manage to get a 1500 cc diesel out of them, once the sales man got to know me better even he slated the ev market saying much the same as you highlighted in this post the salesman had a petrol over electric company car and he would only run his company car on ....... PETROL, thank's for your video your highlighting the pitfalls of having a ev.

I still have not had a problem with our EV, We only do more than 150 miles in a single journey a few times a year, but if I was going to drive to Yorkshire and back every week, I would have bought ICE. At present a 90 miles journey costs us about £1.40. I do hate to pay the 69p KWH , just like ICE drivers hate to pay £1.80 a litre on the motorway. I suppose one charge at 69p and nine charges at 7p averages out at about 7.5p per KWH. So if diesel is £7 a gallon ! I can do 450 or more miles per £7. One of the reason that the "range" does not match up is the fact it is not wise to run the battery "dead". My EV " may " do 250 miles on a single charge, but I would be a fool to run it past 220, I remember seeing the drivers walking along the A roads with a jerry can in hand ! I think it will be another year before I look at replacing the EV, if it was tomorrow I would get another EV, but I will have to see how things are next summer. It may be OK for some to laugh because EV's will be paying TAX next year, they may also add an extra 10% tax to petrol/diesel or find other ways to tax the motorist.

Nithing to with EVs, but a few years ago I had a twin cylinder motorbike. Twice something broke in the engine (can't recall what) and the garage said it was my fault as I didn't know how to ride a twin (it wasn't my first twin). The bike was off the road for weeks until it was found that it was a manufacturing issue affecting certain bikes. Fecking garages! 😡

The company I work for bought a couple of EV Citroen vans. It's windy and hilly here and we're lucky if we can get 50 miles from fully charged. Fkn rip off.

If you are stuck with an EV and have paid 50% of your vehicle loan. Check your finance agreement. There normally is a clause that allows you to terminate the agreement and return the car if you have paid the first 50%. This is called a voluntary termination. I have done this in the past, and it didn't affect my credit score.

Its sad, sad that the way Evs have been touted has been too hyped and it simply isnt realistic. If EVs had been slowly introduced and made simple and convenient to start with, looking for niches where they may make sense (I'm not sure where those might be), then the disapointment and anger would be less, I just feel that there has been a rush into EVs where the people pushing them have wilfully ignored the obvious shortcomings and have then tried to cover those by doing things like giving unsustainable subsidies. The motor companies are victims here; they are caught between a rock and a hard place as they are forced to try and hit ridiculous targets,.

WTF electric cars were never going to become the mainstream.

Interesting. I bought a Kia eNiro 3 years ago. Kia claim a range of 455km. I regularly exceed this and have had no problems. No way would I go back to an ICE car- each to their own I suppose.

The garage will refuse to take it off you

The trouble is the manufactures jumped in the bandwagon these EV’s are wage of materials and when they catchlight the toxic fumes that are emitted us bad, stick to time ice engine way better.

Ice cars have been quoted with exaggerated claims og mpg for decades. No class action there.

I feel sorry about people with EV. They want to be cool and innovate but this is not the case as it is a hassle. As if I don’t have enough anxiety to charge my iPhone now I need to add my car? Maybe in 20 years it would make sense but not this moment. I mean who needs two tonnes of passenger vehicle to transport 600 kgs of batteries? It make no sense from any side I look at it and I am an engineer. But anyhow good luck to you

I came for the R8 content, I’m staying for the spread of misinformation about EVs.😂😂😂

Don't they normally recommend charging to 80% and not going below 20% as it effects the longevity of the battery. So on a car with 280miles range, it's really only 224miles if charged to 80%?