I feel like Dr. Ehrman thinks of MythVision as the place where he can kick back and have a bit of fun. He seems a little more laid back on here.

Incredible score Derek. Bringing the best biblical scholars, day after day, week after week.

1st century Judea was prolific in apocalyptic prophets starting with John the Baptist, continuing with Jesus of Nazareth and culminating in Paul of Tarsus. The sense of urgency with regards to the end of the world is very clear not only in Paul (1 Corinthians 7:25-31) but also in James (James 5:7-8), Peter (1 Peter 4:7) and Revelation (Revelation 22:12). If that wasn't enough the Gospels double down in Matthew (Matthew 16:27-28) and Mark (Mark 9:1). Thus we see a consistent pattern in first century Christian literature placing the end of times within a generation or two of the audience being addressed. This conclusively demonstrates we are in presence of a failed prophecy.

God's word is so perfect we have 1,000 denominations of Christianity. And each one believes it is saved and all others are damned.

I could listen to Bart Ehrman all day. It was a great interview. Even when I was a Christian, I never believed in any of the prophesies or people’s interpretation of them. I always remember thinking three things: wars, famine, and chaos happen in every generation; Jesus always said you would never know the hour; and to God a day was a thousand years and a thousand a day. Now, the first part is even more so. I think, if Jesus did not come back during the Great Depression and World War II, he will never come back. As for the others, I agree with Bart, they were written to relax people when the end did not come.

Another good interview with Dr. Bart Ehrman.

I highly suspected there was MORE to that recent BART EHRMAN interview since it was only 35ish minutes. Well, here IT is. There will never be enough BART ERHMAN content available; he's so knowledgeable & a great educator!

So great that you're getting Dr. Bart on a few times! He's so articulate and able to talk to lay people about complicated stuff.

Both Dr. Erhman and MythVision Podcast are among my hero’s -- Great work Derek. 😎🎯

I would love to talk with both the host and Ehrman one day. I was a fundamentalist street preaching Christian and got booted out of that church for rejecting the Trinity for biblical unitarianism. That study towards finding historical context and the beliefs about Jesus the Jew himself led me to review ALL my fundamentalist beliefs. I ended up rejecting the common view of hell, death(afterlife in heaven or eternal punishment), looking into Torah keeping(cause Jesus kept it) and then eventually into preterism as I allowed the texts to mean what they said to the original historical audience. I was a believer in the view of the future Kingdom literally being on earth before that. Then I pretty much gave up most of that study 4 years ago and abandoned it all and Christianity for the most part since I couldn't reconcile a bodily resurrection and a past judgement on Israel. Its a mess to attempt to reconcile all this stuff in the Bible, especially if you actually put yourself in that 1st century context as an ignorant(not in a bad way) illiterate person having to just trust who you hear speak about the claims of a prophet or disciple of Jesus.

Paul/Saul was just a man, like Ray Comfort, Kenneth Copeland, or Jim Jones.

Oh, goody. Haven’t watched but upvoting first.

“When the literal word of a deity requires repeated, long-winded explanations from his human followers simply to prevent it being interpreted TO MEAN WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS, it doesn’t make a great case for divine authorship. If anything can mean anything, the whole thing becomes meaningless.” Richard Dawkins

Always enlightening, thanks.

Awesome.

Thanks for another great interview Derek: I hope your building Dr. Ehrman up for a long overdue chat with Joseph Atwill and/or James Valliant: that would be the Holy Grail of MythVision episodes in my opinion.

Love your channel!

I love this channel I sometimes find the videos too long tho, although I totally accept they need to be long. I guess i'm used to watching 6 to 10 min videos.

One of the things that surprised me to hear from Ehrman was his misunderstanding of "sun darkened, moon turn to blood" language. This language does appear in the OT regarding other judgement language on Israel. Basically--the prophets or whoever wrote them took a wide literary license of exaggeration in their language. It is not literal and it can be backed up.

new subscriber, loving the content. Always appreciate the work of Dr Ehrman. my only complaint; the clickbaity title. I expected this interview to focus on the very clear predictions made three times by Jesus that his return was imminent but most of it seemed to focus on the definition of what constituted Israel according to some other scholar.

I've been a bit too hard on Ehrman in the past. Just watched his vid on "What Kind of Text is the KJV?" Totally wonderful, humorous and informative. I did not know -- until Bart informed me -- that 80% of the KJV was taken from the Tyndale Bible of 1525. For his efforts, Tyndale was branded a heretic and strangled/burned by Church authorities in 1536. His last words (not from Bart) were, ""Lord! Open the King of England's eyes."

Something seems “off” or forced in this conversation. It lacks the natural flow usually present on mythvision.

Dr Ehrman helped bring me out of Christianity years ago but I've been so disappointed with his argumentum ad popularum that I haven't been able to watch his vids in a long time. Hopefully this will help. Thanks, Derek! I'm now a new Patreon and hope to support you even more in the future!

As an opened minded, post-Calvinist preterist, I approve of this video. Derek, our views are similar. (Full preterism, Calvinism) would love to chat sometime if you ever had a moment for a random KZfaq commenter 😂😊 Our doctrinal views are/were similar; I’ve now realized I know nothing, yet I recognize the providential hand of God on my life. Blessed/fun position to be in.

Derek, I am a partial preterist. I interpret The Revelation to be fulfilled in the first century through the first resurrection (through Rev 20:6,) with the destruction of Satan and the final judgment still to come. Dan

Thanks 4 continuing to expand my mind❤👏

Circumcised in the heart, now. . .Paul

HERES A GUY,PAUL, WHO COMES RIGHT OUT AND SAY'S "I"LL EVEN LIE" TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE ALL THIS BULLSHIT!! AND HE DOES!!

One of the things about Preterism I've always wondered is, if it's true, why was there no "divinely-inspired" New Testament book to explain to Christians, "Now that all that prophecy stuff is in the past, here's what we do next"? The NT is _heavily_ saturated with prophecy and apocalypse, yet none of that stuff would have been relevant to Christians living centuries later when the NT was compiled. Yet "post-Apocalyptic" instruction--which would have been highly relevant, necessary even (if for no other reason than to keep Christians from mistakenly thinking that the Apocalypse was in the future rather than the past), does not make the cut.

This felt like a real Christian VS Atheist debate...with Bart giving all those stern looks lol

Does Ehrman explain what an apocalypse is in this vid? Appreciate anyone who responds.

I've been approached with every explanation. And I read I believe in Matthew, that all the dead of the saints rose and preached the gospel through all Jerusalem. And there would be a very prominent point in history, all would know this. IF it did happen.

21:20 Sorta aligns with Lena Einhorn’s hypothesis. We hope you asked Bart about possibly talking with her.

Become Eastern Orthodox . They enjoy the FULLNESS of the faith.

Does anyone know what book Dr. Ehrman is mentioning at 12:20

Perfect! :3

Debunking is very pleasurable to the ego, but understanding is humbling.

Would be interesting to hear Dereck and a Bahai such Rain Wilson discuss some of these issues

I think it’s interesting the narrative of Jonah is overlooked in both this and the Staples interview. Jonah commissioned to go to the Nineveh (gentiles) to announce judgment, but forgiveness if they repent. I find it interesting that Jonah doesn’t demand circumcision or impose Torah on them… just repent and God will relent in his judgment. Nineveh doesn’t become Israel… but to me casts a vision for Peter/Paul’s future ministry… announcing judgment and promising forgiveness in Christ. Just a thought.

What are Bart's thoughts about Daniel chapter 2 (especially the fourth empire (leg, feet, toes)) and when Daniel was written?

The answer is in Daniel where Jesus says close up the book until the end. We are there, and we know it and Jesus said we would know it. This conversation might be confusing the issue.

Legend!

Looking up every usage of a word thru history probably isn’t the best way, even with a somewhat continuous philosophy such as [Proto-to-1st century CE Judaism]. Meanings of words change over time, philosophy, and geography. I am not an expert linguist, but I would focus on 1st C CE usage and the biblical passages that most influenced the author (2 Isaiah? Ch 40-66?)

“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.” ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭17‬-‭19‬ ‭NIV‬‬ So awesome to see the truths of the Bible coming true today. You guys are mentioned a LOT in the Scriptures. “The wise shall inherit glory, But shame shall be the legacy of fools.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3‬:‭35‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Have you thought about putting channel on podcast sites other than KZfaq? It would be great to listen to on long drives.

Tx Derek Tx Dr Ehrrman

Thank God that we have Bart Ehrman to correct 20 centuries of mistaken biblical scholarship. Imagine that. The Gospel Writers, Church Fathers, Protestant Reformers, and thousands upon thousands of biblical scholars, not to mention God the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ himself being corrected by this one little man. He is truly a treasure. We would be lost without him. "Do not trust ... in mortal man, in whom there is no salvation." Psalms 146:3

Paul wrote so much of the NT. Why didn’t he write his own conversion story?🤔

Maybe you have already interviewed this guy, but if you really want an answer to that question, you need to interview Joseph Atwill, he's the only one who has brought out the Josephus and Biblical connections of the New Testament

The issues that many seem to have is solidly rooted in Protestantism, and sola scriptura. The idea that the New and Old Testament are the foundation of the Christian faith. This is not how anyone saw the Christian faith until the Reformation. The Church - the community - was the foundation. The scriptures were used to supplement this faith in the context of the Christian liturgy. But that is another topic I suppose.

Only they have failed to understand the spiritual nature of the kingdom of God and Christ return in AD 70 and its implications . Preterism stands the test .

What about Matthew 16:27,28. Some here will not taste death.

You're RIGHT the first disciples believed " the end would come" in their time. Acts 1:6,7

70 AD, was the year that the Roman General Titus marched into Jerusalem, and destroyed the temple that Jesus spoke of when He was teaching His disciples that the temple as they knew it, was going to be no more. That the temple now would be in the body of the believer, thus, it was Paul who said know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was teaching His disciples, He was once again as He always did, pointing to the fulfillment of prophecy. He said that not one stone would be left upon another. And when Titus marched into Jerusalem and sacked it, the Roman soldiers scraped the gold from the dome of the temple that had melted due to its burning, the gold was dripping down the temple walls, and the Romans were pushing the stones, one off of another to recover the melted gold. During the tribulation, the Anti-Christ will allow the temple to be built again, and deceiving the Jews then, he will go into the temple and sit upon the throne of God and declare himself to be God because he will have established the building of the new temple. When this takes place, this will be the fulfillment of the prophecy when Jesus said for the Jews to flee unto the mountains because they will then come to the realization that Jesus was the Messiah, who was crucified. The Anti-Christ will then be so enraged, that he will go after the Jews, and begin heavy persecution against them. In that time, the Great Tribulation will be in the 4th year of 7 years, and at this time the period that Jesus spoke of would multiply exponentially, a time that the world has not seen, nor will see again. Again I say, if the blind lead the blind, they will both fall into a ditch...

1:41 - Scatology? I have a cousin who wanted to study scatology- but she became a Greek bank CFO instead: helped to bring about the demise of the country’s economy.

Love Ehrman

People are willing to acknowledge that full preterism is wrong in claiming resurrection to place in 70AD (and Ehrman rightly asks "is that what the Jews thought"??). Why not accept that same commonsense in acknowledging that when Paul said "resurrection", he could only possibly have meant an empty tomb

5:30 you didn't see it because it's invisible. Look at how he describes the city - transparent, clear as glass, clear as crystal.

If salvation isn't what christians think it is, but if it's actually something that happens in the end, when christians will be saved from the armies and enter the kingdom, then why does the New Testament talk about being saved from sin? It's all about believing the death and resurrection of Jesus and being saved from sin and death. What am I missing here?

5:30 yeah, it is not like it describes it as an invisible city or transparent or something...or does it?

the Reason it's 70 AD is Because to them... Heaven(the temple ) and earth (their realm of control) Fell!!!

Despite what Catholic, Orthodox or Reformed scholars have been saying for many centuries, Revelation 1:1 does not say that John would be shown things that must shortly come to pass. The Greek says he would be shown things that 'must come to pass in swiftness' or 'with swiftness'. In other words, John was shown some things that must happen rapidly once they start, and that mirrors end time prophecies elsewhere in the Bible, and it mirrors what Jesus said about his Father being the only one who knows when the end times will come. And it's the same 'with swiftness' wording at the end of the book in Rev 22:6. How could so many scholars get this wrong? Part of translation is interpretation, and those people were steeped in Augustine’s erroneous Amillennial eschatology, so they could not understand many end time prophesies like this.

How does this entire discussion have anything to do with Jesus failed Apocalypse?

neither the day nor the hour...only the Father knows.

I see such an obvious connection between salesmen manipulations creatint a "sense of urgency" and people who talk about the end of the world.

A lot of doubting Thomases in the comment section. Having faith in Jesus Christ cost you nothing. Following his rules profits you AND the world. Please come back to Jesus!!!! Repent and have faith in our Lord and savior Jesus Christ 🙏q

Is the doctor Staples you're referring to Jason A. Staples ?

It is getting very frustrating with all the ads as one tries to concentrate. I loose the will to go on watching your videos from the endless ad inserts.😢

God writes his name on your heart it is something you cannot learn from human man teachers. As hard as they try to dissect the Bible, salvation comes from God and God alone. I feel sorry for some of these people trying to debate God.

In that passage in Acts where Paul is portrayed as saying (I paraphrase): "he has set a time in which he would judge the world by means of his Son he has appointed".......here comes the kicker... " _he has proven that by raising Jesus from the dead_ ". That statement is more pivotal to understanding that 1st century christian understanding of the second coming than many people realize - their certainty in the belief in the historicity of Christ's resurrection made any potential delay of the 2nd coming to be shrugged off as unimportant. This should help sceptics guard against the historically inept mistake of painting Jesus & early christianity with the same brush as the Harold Campings, Millerites or any other group whose theology deeply depended on Jesus returning soon on some specific date. When in the 2nd & 3rd century it was clear the Parousia hadn't yet occurred, it wouldn't have bothered/traumatized them the way skeptics fantasize it would have; I would propose it wouldn't have bothered them AT ALL prescisely because their belief in the historicity Easter resurrection made them unshakably confident in the inevitability of the 2nd coming.

Constantine was like one of those smart jocks: an utter blockhead but quick on the uptake.

Not one stone will not be on top of stone of the temple.

If Jesus ain’t real, how come Vampires are afraid of crosses? boom! Yo, jus proved jebus!

The Bible, as real and truthful as CNN is today.

In his book why the climate is changing Dr Ben Vatican has explained apocalypse, Amazon.

Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel: Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing. The disciples asked two different questions. When will the temple be destroyed? What will be the sign of your Second Coming? Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.) Luk 21:5　 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,　 Luk 21:6　 "These things which you see-the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down."　 (Mat 24:2　 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."　) Luk 21:7　 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?"　 (Mat 24:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?") (　Mar 13:3　 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately,　 Mar 13:4　 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?")　 Luk 21:8　 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.　 (Mat 24:5　 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.　) Luk 21:9　 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately." (Mat 24:6　 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.)　 Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution Luk 21:10　 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.　 (Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　) Luk 21:11　 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.　 (Mat 24:7　 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.　) Luk 21:12　 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.　 (Mat 24:9　 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.)　(Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.) Luk 21:13　 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.　 Luk 21:14　 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer;　 Luk 21:15　 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.　 Luk 21:16　 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.　 Luk 21:17　 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.　 (Mat 24:10　 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.　) Luk 21:18　 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.　 Luk 21:19　 By your patience possess your souls.　 (Mat 24:13　 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.)　 Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　 (Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　 (Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.) Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　 (Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　 Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　 Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)　 (Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　) Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　 (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28.) The Coming of the Son of Man Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　 (Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　 Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　 Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　 (Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　 Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　 (Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)

Can anyone explain to me what judgement day means to Christians who believe in salvation through faith alone?

Hi Derek. Great show. You should try and get Dr Christine Hayes on to your show to discuss how Yahweh was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and how he became the top god as the Israelites transitioned from polytheism to monotheism.

The Millerites became the Seventh Day Adventist

from biblical times to the romantics you see whats happening and people think its got to come to an end, we're unraveling, we're further away from ourselves, nature...r we here now ...sort of

Derek: Daniel predicted what happened in Acts 17. That's why people believe what they do about the destruction of the 2nd Temple.

14:15 bro, it wasn't just a distruction of Jerusalem, it was the destruction of the Temple! You know that was cataclysmic!

Well done Derek. Now it’s time to change his face from 🤔 into 🙂. Good to see you carefully ‘navigating’ 😉

As Richard carrier has pointed out Paul makes it clear those who are not under the law still sin because everyone who sins dies and sinse everyone dies everyone sins unless you enter an agreement with God.

I am a former Christian that at one point in my final stages was a partial or maybe full preterist. My forced position was similar to Don Preston's testing with the huge distinction that I bought into the idea that Jesus LITERALLY returned in the 1st century, raised the dead SAINTS (1st resurrection), judged the land of Jerusalem, and took the saints (his bride) away with him to reign in Heaven. Since that point life on Earth has been existing in a post church age moving through time until the "last day" when the final resurrection of the living and dead would occur and a new land and sky would replace the destroyed heavens and earth that were burnt up and the New Jerusalem would descend on the new land to rule over the world. The parties to the 2nd resurrection would be judged and either granted agelasting life or punished with eternal destruction based on their submission to the rule of the kingdom of God (New Jerusalem). That was what I felt forced to hold onto in order to believe in the Bible and its theology. That house of cards subsequently came crashing down.

2Peter was written before Babylon fell so he calls Jerusalem (from where he was writing) Babylon.

Yes, but one can easily see how many people would react excessively to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. The Holy of Holies was the place where God resided. When Bart says the destruction of Jerusalem -- and the Temple complex -- was not a cataclysmic event, he is technically correct. But there were groups who would have regarded it as such. Just imagine how Muslims would react to the destruction of Mecca. I suppose many of them would die outright just from shock.

While I disagree often with Ehrman, he is just as often brilliant.

Peoples do like to gamble back then

New Jerusalem, the Church, is explained in the Hebrews: _"For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest . . . But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel." -- Heb __12:18__, 22-24 KJV_ Notice the present tense. Dan

Why does rain dissipate faster into the atmosphere than human urine

14:38 come on Derek, you know better.

In Ephesians 5 and 1 Peter 4, both Paul and Peter said that God's wrath/judgment was coming upon all pagans who lived in sin. Paul preached repentance to all people in Acts 17 - to pagans whose idol-worship God had ignored in the past but was then commanding people to repent because Christ rose from the dead. Paul and Peter expected the day of judgment that would end the world and judge all humanity. That is why Peter said that God was patient not wanting anyone to perish until the heaven and earth was destroyed. There was no more "perishing" in the new heaven and earth.

Re Matt 24, people fail to understand what the prophesied kingdom of heaven is. It's not a sudden transformation of the world but an awakening that Christ said would take place during the apostles's lifetime. People see that evil is still around and think what Christ prophesied did not happen. It first takes place in a personal way and as the swamp is drained, eventually the earthplane will be purified and then something will happen on a global scale, but we are not there yet.

Why throw the Christian baby out with the Full Preterism bathwater?

Paul was endorsed by paul, Jesus himself said that his testimony is worth nothing if he would testify of himself.

Just read carefully the gospel (Mt 24, Mc 13, Lc 21), the book of Revelation and The War of Judeans by Joseph. The old covenant system ended with the defeat of Judean with the destruction of the temple.

J spoke in book Revelation predicting the fake prophet, islam, mecca, and the islamic mark. A perfect prophecy.

Interesting

used to like him but now he only says he is right ... but never stated where he stand in all this