THE FALL OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF ISLAM - It’s All About the Money.

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The Kandari Chronicles

The Kandari Chronicles

4 ай бұрын

In this video, we explore the reasons for the fall of the Golden Age of Islam. At its peak, the Islamic world was a center of innovation, learning, and prosperity. However, internal strife, external invasions, that some say were the reasons for its eventual collapse. We delve into the various reasons for the downfall of this once thriving civilization, including the common conceptions of the cycle of empires, political instability, religious jurisprudence as well as economic challenges. Join us as we uncover the complex factors that contributed to the fall of the Golden Age of Islam and reflect on its lasting impact on history.
#golden #age #islam #muslim #abbasid #caliph #education #enlightenment #knowledge #wisdom #prosperity #renaissance #alghazali #ibnsina #mongol #silkroad #money #innovation #learning #creativity #harun #rationalism #nature #god
References:
www.jstor.org/stable/43152981
www.jstor.org/stable/44451841
Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance - George Saliba
The Mongols and the Islamic World: From Conquest to Conversion - Peter Jackson
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@saraalwhaib6637
@saraalwhaib6637 4 ай бұрын
I think the problem with us Muslims is that we lost our identity and our true faith. We became too busy fighting each other.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hi Sara, you are not incorrect in your observation. But we lost our identity before we started fighting each other. A couple of centuries prior to this actually. With the colonial influence that made forget our history and uniqueness.
@TheSeljuk7
@TheSeljuk7 4 ай бұрын
Damn brother. This is so good! Please keep the research and summarising going. We need more wise scholars again, summarising wisdom and making it available!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
That’s my commitment. To keep adding to what knowledge is available by retelling from our own perspective and in a way that works for all generations!
@TheSeljuk7
@TheSeljuk7 4 ай бұрын
I applaud you on that quest and wish you the best! I myself am a young scholar with some knowledge of Past empires and Islamic importance. ie Role of Persia in giving the Abbassids the wisdom to grow from. If you are interested, I would like to contribute to your work. @@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
You are most generous for this offer. I am always open to collaborating with experts who wish to relay their knowledge to the collective. Would be great to know more about your experiences and ideas.
@TheSeljuk7
@TheSeljuk7 4 ай бұрын
Great. How do we connect?@@tareqkandari7277
@cascarrabias397
@cascarrabias397 4 ай бұрын
What ever they Islamist tell you about the "golden age of Islam" is full of lies. The Mu'tazilah period show clearly Islam philosophic principles where not created yet. The fact that The guy that supposed to give the principles of shariah come way later, in 1091 when Al Gahazali entered the scene, even dough the "back to the scriptures" philosophy of Ghazali doesn't mean either that he was referring to Islam. It was until 1105 when Ghazali published his "Alchemy of happiness", then in 1120 Ibn Tumart founded the Almohad caliphate in Spain, way to late for the Islamic principles to be spread and understood.
@IsraelThomas-fv3od
@IsraelThomas-fv3od 4 ай бұрын
damn this is a very high quality video. i didnt realise this channel is so small
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Small but hopefully effective and informative. Appreciate your kinds words about the quality of the work.
@abdullahsohail8601
@abdullahsohail8601 21 күн бұрын
Great Work Brother. This channel is a gem and much needed.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 20 күн бұрын
Thank you Abdullah. Really appreciate your kind words.
@Ushmadand
@Ushmadand 4 ай бұрын
Despite already knowing about Neil Degrasse Tyson's slander about Al-Ghazali, the clip still makes my blood boil. As always, good video brother.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
For someone supposedly so smart, Mr ND Tyson does indeed leave himself wanting on a basic human intelligence level.
@Tzadokite
@Tzadokite 4 ай бұрын
neil degrasse tyson is a showman and not a serious physicist. did not published anything significant in astrophysics or cosmology. he simply follows einstein and all his mistakes without questioning him, just like hawking did and like michio kaku continues to do. he thinks he can talk about genetics, consciousness, treating cancer and other fields simply because he has a phd in physics from harvard!
@COO415
@COO415 4 ай бұрын
@ushmadand. Ok I give it to Neil DeGrasse that he has a PhD, so what?. Neil is such an egotistical, bloviating and attention seeking dude that will say anything as long as there's an audience.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
He suffers from the fact that he loves to hear himself talk. Even when he is wrong.
@marksnow7569
@marksnow7569 4 ай бұрын
I think what Tyson has been trying to understand is why the Muslim world seems to be failing to do what Japan (in the 19th century) and China (in the 20th) did. Like it or loathe it, investment in innovation can create a "virtuous cycle" with all sorts of material benefits and even, if handled wisely, spiritual benefits.
@efstratiosfilis2290
@efstratiosfilis2290 4 ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you for so much information in so short a video. Your video puts everything in perspective.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your watching. I am glad this video was informative to you and I hope you join the journey with me in sharing and relaying knowledge.
@kamilgamaleldin8431
@kamilgamaleldin8431 4 ай бұрын
Probably all of these reasons you mentioned combined, created the perfect storm that led to the collapse. You and I discussed the “past glory” syndrome before, which is a terrible shame. Looking forward to your next vid Tareq!! 👍🏻👍🏻
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you buK. Yes. We keep going back in time to feel the pride. Gotta start looking forward.
@user-qm7hq1de9i
@user-qm7hq1de9i 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 Very true! Nostalgia for bygone eras will not improve our modern state of affairs...
@kucingcat8687
@kucingcat8687 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-qm7hq1de9i the exception to these is the Al-Ghazali ones. It's proven to be a myth lol
@HehLul
@HehLul 4 ай бұрын
Subhannallah! Keep up the amazing content brother, looking forward to the upcoming videos
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much my friend. Appreciate the wonderful words and looking forward to more in the upcoming content.
@Muradmb1986
@Muradmb1986 4 ай бұрын
subbed .. i like your content , already saved many of your videos to watch soon .
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thats amazing. I appreciate it greatly and hope to read some of your commentary on the other videos.
@user-qw3on4wq5b
@user-qw3on4wq5b 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for so much information 👍
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
You are my most committed viewer TM! ❤️🥰
@nycboogie
@nycboogie 4 ай бұрын
What a great channel you have! Very well produced and thought provoking!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much JJ. I appreciate your time and I hope it does add even if infinitesimally to your knowledge. 🙏🏼
@nycboogie
@nycboogie 4 ай бұрын
​@@tareqkandari7277Every episode does! And it is much appreciated!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
@@nycboogie All I can say is “Amazing! “
@salemsalem3900
@salemsalem3900 4 ай бұрын
i just found your channel Tariq, its just amazing, very informative video , you just earned a subscriber and a supporter ,, mashaAllah Tariq, Kuwaitis are always amazing in there knowledge , Allah bless you,,, keep up the good work
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hi SS. Thank you so much for you wonderful words and welcome aboard this journey in sharing knowledge about the Arab and Muslim culture history and heritage. Trust me, there are voices in all nations that only need an opportunity to voice add to the collective knowledge of the world. God bless us all!
@mihirkarkhanis2563
@mihirkarkhanis2563 4 ай бұрын
Very much informative and such a high quality videos ....superb....💯
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Mihir. For the wonderfully kind words! Keep on watching!!!
@Arcticgong
@Arcticgong 9 күн бұрын
Fair analysis.
@temogen2
@temogen2 Ай бұрын
Thanks
@KnownTruthTimeSpaces
@KnownTruthTimeSpaces 4 ай бұрын
Superb!!!!! Of course, that is the standard for this man of literature and letters: A scholar, a gentleman, and a humble brother of the Universe.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
You are most generous for your kind words. I am truly humbled at the fact that you hold this content valuable.
@yunuzxiod6560
@yunuzxiod6560 4 ай бұрын
Never heard a better explanation for the end of golden age, than this.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Actually the comments from viewers have added great extra reasons that I missed from the video. The Black Death and the Crusades being two of them. They are very valid added reasons for the fall.
@ahmedengineer5778
@ahmedengineer5778 4 ай бұрын
Great as always 👍.... And may I add that when rulers realised that ruling ignorant, illiterate and superstitious people is much,much easier than well educated, innovative people ... And to this day our rulers prefer control over prosperity. And I have to say , I no longer see a light at the end of this dark tunnel.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
No Ahmed you can’t give in. I know it’s dire but we, the ones who know our abilities, can never give in. As for the leaders and rulers you mention, wait for next week! 😁
@joemccormick9109
@joemccormick9109 26 күн бұрын
Posts like this do more to reduce barriers to commonality than a thousand lectures
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 26 күн бұрын
HI Joe. Glad you’re enjoying the channel and yes that’s the intention telling stories from a perspective that might shed new light and bring us closer.
@brendasmart553
@brendasmart553 4 ай бұрын
Knowledge of these fruits of this golden age are essentially suppressed, certainly not often recognized by the west and I feel racism, both of religion & skin color. The Silk Road I would have loved to travel back in its prime! Thanks! Yay my notifications actually work since i remembered to turn it on, giggle.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
The times of the Silk Road would have absolutely been rocking.
@brendasmart553
@brendasmart553 4 ай бұрын
Precisely my point of having such desires to have participated!!! That, and fact I've always felt I was meant to live in a different time and place...@@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thats totally understood Brenda. I think we all have associations with certain eras that appeal to us for some instinctual reason.
@khaledadams4329
@khaledadams4329 4 ай бұрын
Great video, I really found this interesting. In reference to the golden age of Islam, I'm curious if the current state of Islam is viewed as having regressed, or if growth has stagnated? I suppose "growth" could mean different things, however the subject of this video appears to be about technological advancement and enlightenment, more than the number of followers.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Yes the video is indeed about the downfall of the Golden Age and the reasons for its demise. For your other point about the current state of Islam, thats the subject of part 2 and the video for this coming Sunday. Hope to see your commentary on that continuation. Thank you for your amazing support.
@hakukuze7947
@hakukuze7947 4 ай бұрын
Thank you again for a great piece. Truly an underrated channel. One question I have is regarding the shipping lane discovery. That would reduce the traffic from the west but the regions that live there and trade with each other should still have been quite active as they didn't need the shipping lane. Is there any estimate of how much reduction in traffic there was as the result of the shipping lane discovery or am I misunderstanding something?
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
No you didn’t miss much. Yes the Silk Road was still applicable from East to West Asia, but that trade could not sustain the expenditure of the Muslim nation. I haven’t come across any statistics concerning the drop in revenue that would have realise upon the discovery of the maritime trade routes but it’s a great question. I will keep an eye out for this bit of info.
@hakukuze7947
@hakukuze7947 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 I see, makes sense. In the US, the freeways did something similar. Many small towns became ghost towns as through traffic disappeared and they became invisible, kind of like what the cell phone did to our social interactions. This discovery and “progress” takes away as much as it gives! Thank you again.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thats a very good analogy to the diminished value of the Silk Road. Thanks for sharing.
@Era_Of_Awakening
@Era_Of_Awakening 4 ай бұрын
All the reasons did impact the Islamic golden Age. but al Ghazali ??! xD there is a lot misunderstanding about him, he was Genius and among top Philosophers all times.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
That's very true. AlGhazali is personified as someone who did harm to science versus the reality which was that he was a great thinker who challenged those who didn't perform their scholarly duties in the most convincing way possible. Just because the outcome was harsh didn't mean that it was wrong.
@mayu23325
@mayu23325 4 ай бұрын
Tareq, beautifully crafted video-essay, congratulations. Your insight made me think the following: if history has a terrible tendency to repeat itself, I feel that is correct to affirm that the discovery of two new trade routes in the 15th century is, in fact, what is happening in our current day of age with the rise of electric vehicles, which in a generation or two, will turn us away from fossil fuels, which consequently will lead to a decline in the oil bought from Arab (most of which are Muslim) countries. I would like to hear your thoughts on this premise.Till then, may peace, love, abundance and joy bless you and your loved ones.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Your premise is very accurate. And from someone who comes from an oil producing country, this fear is very real. Some nations are hedging this risk by attempting to break away from the dependency on natural resources as the sole income producer. Others are stagnant due to their own internal politics. I fear none have yet to discover their future when it comes to prosperity and power. These are my high levels thoughts. But maybe this is a topic for a future video. So thank you for inspiring a potential new bit of content.
@johanaberg173
@johanaberg173 4 ай бұрын
Great video! I think reasons 4 and 5 are the most important. But I want to add a 6:th, namely the Black Death. It was devestating for both the christian and the muslim world, but for some reason it returned more often in the muslim world.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Yes, this has been mentioned by another viewer, and I think it is a very good added reason for the downfall of the age. Even if it actually did have lesser of an impact on the Muslim territories than on the European civilisation. 30% versus 60% respectively.
@zaferabdulrahman6988
@zaferabdulrahman6988 4 ай бұрын
Great essay. Your channel should have 2 billion subscribers!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Zafer, I thank you for your kindness. It will happen. And I will not stop regardless.
@senuoyyounes7639
@senuoyyounes7639 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Mr. El Kandari for this quality video and I would add that the golden age of Islam experienced a small revival with the Ottoman Empire, particularly under the reign of Souleman the Magnificent, but unfortunately the internal wars and especially the savage European colonization of Muslim Territories ended up sending us back to the Middle Ages. and I think that we must be proud of our past which has illuminated all of humanity and not be ashamed. especially since the German, British, French and Swedish are all proud of their Hitler, Queen Victoria, Napoleon and Vikings and other bloodthirsty false heroes. Thank you for your good work.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank yo so much for your sharing of your insight. Internal wars are always destructive, more so than ones from foreign entities. The world throughout history has had its ups and downs, telling our story is a necessity as so far in the West, most of our story is not reflective of our true history or even close to being factual.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Next video addresses the modern situation. Why we haven’t broken out of our rut.
@anirudhsingh2228
@anirudhsingh2228 4 ай бұрын
Could you provide the list of scholars and their work for ref?
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hi Anirudh, I have updated the description of the video to induce a list of papers and books that influenced and provided perspectives on the video. Thanks for the request. Will try to do this in the future for all upcoming videos. And thank you for making the knowledge on my channel more comprehensive.
@a.h.2512
@a.h.2512 3 күн бұрын
Great analysis. The atheists are quick to blame Alghazali, but they never say that the great muslim scientits where also muslim scholars. I think the divisions also compounded the rapid decline. In order for muslims to get back on track, they have to start believing in themseves and taking matters into their own hands. Also, we need to get rid of the colonized and defeated mentality.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 3 күн бұрын
Agreed on all your points and thank you for sharing them with us all.
@jaybhavani8416
@jaybhavani8416 4 ай бұрын
We expect videos on Science and lslam Spiritual science Spiritual Philosophy Parapsychology Metaphysics Cosmology Theology Spiritual science and philosophy Towards the Truth . ❤
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Wow!!! Thats a huge and diverse range of content. Not entirely sure all those fall within my remit but will surely try to delve into those topics more over the immediate future. Thank you so much for your recommendations.
@y.israel922
@y.israel922 4 ай бұрын
It's the will of God dear As Muslims ☪️ moved away from the true Islamic principles Good luck dear / مع السلامة يا طويل العمر
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your input on this. Yes both those points do correlate. The will of God and the moral deviation that Muslims of that time did indeed fall prey to.
@shirshendughosh5900
@shirshendughosh5900 4 ай бұрын
Mathematics, chemistry and astronomy had a lot to do with India, because from India Muslim world got the knowledge which it had translated and preserved in Baghdad and Spain. Later after the recon quest of Spain by the Christian world these basics of knowledge from India came to the Europeans from which their renaissance started….
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
I don’t doubt that India played an important role in the transference of knowledge from its civilisation to that of the Islamic. It was really a time exemplified by an openness of various learned cultures to come together to add value to the collective knowledge of the world.
@ozkanarrslan
@ozkanarrslan 5 күн бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 after istanbul war, islamic world start to go down, still we go down. I dont know when it will stop, bu ti dont see time yet
@sheikmuhammad3894
@sheikmuhammad3894 4 ай бұрын
No empire lasts forever. The mistakes made by the great powers of old mirror each other, and are repeated by their successors.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Agreed. History repeats itself. And I am not sure why the human condition keeps forgetting the missteps of the past. Strange but all so real.
@BusinessHr132
@BusinessHr132 4 ай бұрын
I blame the Mongols for this fall in the Islamic world
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
It's a very strong reason.
@suneethamay3615
@suneethamay3615 4 ай бұрын
This happened to our folks also When we asked why are we so poor because we have most of the natural resources in our country Excuse was British done that us. How? British colonized and robbed the country lf l am patriotic person l shouldn't say this I think it was the best era They came here for the trade Their intention wasn't for humanitarian ground Their mind set as usual They were opportunity seekers They converted our land for industrial purpose growing tea,rubber, coconuts Before Bristish we herbal drinker Now we can't live without British tea l think tea came from Kenya l can't say British tea l didn't see any tea grower in Britain About rubber they poisoned our precious land Land had to reserved for rubber only forever and more and coconuts we were using at that time Our folks can't live without coconuts everuthing made of coconuts same lrish can't live without potatoes Once upon time they had to imigtated to America without potatoes Over all l can see benefit of colonization Still we are using same railway line for more than two centuries ago built by British We use their language
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Colonialism has wreaked havoc with many parts of the world but none more than India. I am not sure it was the best era. True modern institutional thought and structure was implemented but in return so much more was robbed of the nation.
@Roland_Deschain
@Roland_Deschain 2 ай бұрын
If you are trying to identify the root of a problem, what was the problem in the first place? You can dance around it however you like, it won't solve itself. It would also be more insightful to present what golden age is and why two golden ages can't coexist.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 2 ай бұрын
The premise of two concurrent Golden Ages is an enticing one. I don’t know the answer to it. With regard to explaining what the Golden Age of Islam was, there is a lot of content out there that elaborates quite well on it in detail. This bit of content about the potential reasons for its demise.
@albertansah1373
@albertansah1373 4 ай бұрын
The golden age of Islam ☪️ came to an end at the peak to spread awareness of this religion.????.❤.The student 🧑‍🎓 became the master of this Islamic religion.????.There is a lot of confusion with dominance didn’t align with false beliefs and troubling manuscripts manipulations seeking enlightenment through their existence as well as their belief in constant conflict with reality period.????.😂😂😢😮😅.????.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Your commentary is extremely confusing. If you care for a constructive discussion, please rephrase with less speed and emotion. Thanks.
@Wakobear.
@Wakobear. Ай бұрын
This is the argument that George Saliba makes and its quite convincing. The (western) Europeans monopolized the incredibly lucrative Indian Ocean trade which connected the worlds largest economies: China, India and Greater Mediterranean. Cutting the middle east off from international trade, crippling the whole region's economy. Just monopoly over the IO trade would've put non-europeans at a disadvantage. But they also gained monopoly over the vast resources of the new world. With both of these, western Europe was able to surpass the rest of the world. I think this may have been averted if the Ottomans focused on pushing the Portuguese out of the IO instead of besieging Vienna and trying to push into Europe - since even if they conquered the entirety of Europe, the wealth of the Indian Ocean would still be far greater. When the ottomans took Egypt in 1517, the Portuguese's position in the IO was still unstable, which many local rulers attempting to oust them. If the Ottomans had directed all their state's resources into building up an immense Red Sea navy, and making alliances with Sultans of East Africa, India and Malay archipelago they probably would've been able to kick out the Portuguese and re-establish Muslim monopoly over the Indian Ocean. Thereafter the main purpose of the Ottoman state being to maintain its monopoly on Indian Ocean trade. While the wealth from this would make rebellions in the Ottoman heartland less likely. And the reduced wealth of Western Europe would reduce the gap between the Ottomans and Europeans.
@Wakobear.
@Wakobear. Ай бұрын
@tareqkandari7277 Though this doesn't paint the whole picture, some regions had been in decline centuries before the Portuguese takeover of the IO trade. Iraq started its decline throughout the 9th century due to failure to maintain the delicate irrigation network. Starting with the Mamun-Amin civil war causing great damage to Baghdad and irrigation systems. Then a few decades later the 9 year long Anarchy at Samarra followed by the devastating Zanj rebellion and Qaramatian raids, devastating Basra and the southern Sawad. Finally the incompetence of alMuqtadir (908-932) and breaching of the Nahrawan canal. By the end of his reign large scale intensive agriculture in Iraq had ended. With former fertile regions depopulated, even to this day. Iraq was what held the Caliphate together. The richest province by far, producing almost a quarter of the entire caliphates revenues. Whilst also being fairly centrally located, able to control both Egypt and Khurasan. With its decline the unified Caliphate would never again be possible. Iran's decline began with the devastating Seljuk invasions, then followed by the Khwarezmshahs, Mongols, Timur. After 500 years of constant invasions it began to stabilise with the Safavids. Though Portuguese monopoly on IO trade severely impacted it's economy also. Egypt and Levant began their decline after the death of anNasir Muhammad. After which there was 40 years of constant civil war, wrecking the economy. Not to mention the devastating black death and it's reoccurrences. The Burji Mamluks brought bad some stability in 1382, but civil wars were still common and the economy never recovered, now importing items it used to export... But the peak of the decline of Egypt was in the 18th century when constant fighting between the new ottoman Mamluks devastated the region. So much so that by the time of the Napoleonic invasion in 1798 the population had dropped to a mere 2.5 million, half of what it had been 300 years earlier during the initial ottoman conquest. Much of Muhammad Ali's irrigation works were just trying to repair the damages wrought throughout the 18th century, by his death he only managed to rebuild 400 leagues (1,200 miles) of great canals, compared to 600 leagues (1,800 miles) during the period of the early khalifahs. As for Andalus, it started its decline during the Taifa period where the population was being heavily taxed to pay off Christian Parias taxes. The Maghreb declined following the collapse of the alMohads in the early 1200s which led to the conquest of most of Andalus. As for west Africa fell into decline following the civil wars of the Songhai empire. And the Atlantic trade route bypassing transsaharan routes. India only declined after Aurangzeb's death in 1707. The European influence in the IO allowed Indian textile markets and spices to reach even further than before, providing a boon to its economy.
@Wakobear.
@Wakobear. Ай бұрын
Other factors include the Iqta system, introduced by the declining abbasids in the 900s, due to the declining economy making salaries unfeasible, then used by the Buyids and becoming prevalent throughout the Muslim world. It's main problem is that its not hereditary. Causing lords to extract as much as they could while they held the Iqta. Having no incentive for long term investments in irrigation or watermills, since these would benefit the next Iqta holder, not his descendants. Resulting in a massive industrial and agricultural decline. Similarly lack of enforcement of property rights. Since the government would often confiscate lands and wealth when they were desperate for money. Discouraging investment. One example was anNashw during the reign of anNasir Muhammad. Who went as far as confiscating charity wealth reserved for orphanages and waqfs!!!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
Wakobear, let me just start by saying you are awesome. Sharing your knowledge in this way is what really confirms to me that there are people out there that have a wealth of knowledge that they want to selflessly share and I commend you for that. I am very familiar with George Saliba and I think it's clear that some of the findings in the video were actually inspired by his thought process. I really enjoyed how you expanded on the premise with more details on how the economies of the region and misdirected strategies had real impact on the state of the Muslim Age. Thanks again and really enjoy reading all your commentary.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
I am not familiar with the Iqta system. Will check it out or sure. As for corruption, well that is a story as old as time.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
It's true how one event or aspect cant have THE impact for the downfall of an age or empire. Its is more conducive of a wave of events that occur simultaneously.
@vadimkondratiev7214
@vadimkondratiev7214 2 ай бұрын
not bad, at least the video seems pretty unbiased and does not put all the blame on lack of religion, the Jews or the West as many of your comrades do.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 2 ай бұрын
That’s an intentional element of this channel. Not to be too biased. One can never be fully unbiased. Well maybe not everyone but I can’t.
@user-ue4fh5mv9s
@user-ue4fh5mv9s 3 ай бұрын
If the ottomans didn't reject the printing press muslims would still be a great civilization
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 3 ай бұрын
That is one way to look at the lack of progress and innovation. Could be a major hiccup but I don't think the only one.
@Tzadokite
@Tzadokite 4 ай бұрын
there was no collapse or fall but a slow decline which started in the18th century into the 20th century. the islamic civilization was the dominant civilization from the 8th century until early 19th century. it was the industrialization in europe starting in the early to mid 19th century together with colonization, not including the earlier colonization of the new world, that gave it an edge and dominance. between 15th century and 18th century there were three superpowers outside of china. they were called the 'gunpowder' empires and included the ottoman involving north africa and middle east, mughal in india and parts of central asia and safavid in persia and parts of central asia. they had the larges cannons and had artillery and rifle units. they also had pistols which the europeans did not have. no european nation could challenge them. the defeat of napoleon was at the hands of the ottomans. it has been shown that in the early 1700's the mughal empire constituted 30% of the global GDP and 40% of global exports. between early 19th century, when the decline of the mughal empire was well on its way due to internal rifts between the different peoples of india, and 1947 when the british left india they had looted, in today's dollars, almost 80 trillion dollars! compare that to the total current global GDP of about 86 trillion dollars only. during the 1700's the indian merchants would not accept any european "gold" coins as they contained less gold and more other metals.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hello and thanks so much again for sharing your knowledge. it is truly a miracle when we can share in a constructive manner even when our positions might differ. I am aware of the "Gunpowder" empires and as much as I can see how the Ottoman Empire can be perceived as a continuation of the Golden Age of Islam. But I personally dont see them as a continuation of the same Age. With the Ottomans came a strong sense of centrality to Constantinople and the previous lands of the Caliphates became subservient to the Turks. As for India, dont get me started as to the crimes that took place by the civilised British.
@FireFly969
@FireFly969 4 ай бұрын
What happens when the west found the new world and a new road to india china and asia, is like, a new source of income from(new world), + share the source of income that was going to the islamic world. So it become like 1.5 to west vs 0.5 to islamic world in terms of money, and when you have money, you can invest it into education. In the other hand in islamic world, the money is less, so its less for education, so with time, the western world will surpace the islamic world in terms of science.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
That is exactly spot on FireFly. Agreed 100%. Thank you for your sharing.
@mustafasiddiqui4914
@mustafasiddiqui4914 Ай бұрын
Firstly As far as I know islamic education was not funded by the state but by the community. Secondly to assume that great muslim inventions in science were made possible due to funding of state or for capital just like modern science will be a mistake, maybe their approach to new discoveries did not required intense funding. Thirdly to compare western science and islamic science is problematic because the west used that method to control nature for their dominance unlike muslims who never used it as an instrument for their progress or control of nature as the west did. So in my opinion economic plight might be a reason for the downfall but intellectually it was western thought of Humans as self diety combined with advancements of their science that muslims thought of them as invincible and lost the war intellectually without a fight. Just my personal opinion
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
@@mustafasiddiqui4914 Hi Mustafa. I really enjoyed your thoughts in the commentary. It's well constructed and has many valid points. One point I want to clarify is that the court/government did indeed support the thinkers and scholars; provided for them the means to carry out their discovery regardless of the science they were involved with. Otherwise I concur with everything else you list out. Thank you for sharing.
@adamesd3699
@adamesd3699 4 ай бұрын
But did the Golden Age of Islam really end, or did it just change? The major civilizations of West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia were Muslim or at least had Muslim ruling families after the supposed collapse of the Golden Age of Islam. The Ottoman Empire, the Safavid Persian Empire, the Moghul Empire, and for a period of time the Mameluke Empire, for example, had many impressive features. The difference was that by that time, European nations had caught up to, and in some cases surpassed, these Muslim empires. (China is a separate topic). And the Europeans just kept going and conquered/colonized much of the world.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
There are two points to your thoughts and I thank you for them greatly as they pose great questions and share complimentary information. The first point is that the Golden Age did end. Having more individual and separate civilisations didn't carry the same momentum and force of advancement as did the Age. Having a collective and cooperative effort with the various muslim regions as well as those outside them (Even Europeans) partake in community of science and innovation was the true strength and uniqueness of the Age. Your point about Europe catching up was indeed applicable. Europeans benefited from a much more geographically concentrated cooperation across the continent thereby acceleration their boom into the Renaissance.
@mrprogamer896
@mrprogamer896 4 ай бұрын
Money really is the root of all evil
@nycboogie
@nycboogie 4 ай бұрын
I think it's the love--or, the greed--for money
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
It truly is. Even when it’s not the main factor, as a byproduct,in its absence it can be lethal.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
@@nycboogieBut as bad is the dependency on it.
@nycboogie
@nycboogie 4 ай бұрын
​@@tareqkandari7277Definitely
@NGC-catseye
@NGC-catseye 4 ай бұрын
A think life is a balance. With money it’s a love for some and a lack for others that make it evil. However, how does evil exist in a village in Africa with no need of money 🤷‍♀ what causes them to be evil. So, if we exchange the word money for anything else we just find it’s human nature to want in extremes. If we don’t walk away from centre 🩷(much😼) we can cope and thrive as individuals and share this one planet we all share. 😈 >>>>>🩷
@didiideman2661
@didiideman2661 4 ай бұрын
i think mongols were the major cause the islamic city of knowledge (baghdad) fell.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Still thinks it’s not one reason but more like a death with a thousand cuts.
@tjoey2112
@tjoey2112 4 ай бұрын
Imam Abdul Hamid Al Ghazali was not demonized mathematics, what he mean is that mathematics that is used for numerology and astrology in superstition.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
That’s a very good distinction that you make. Explains the method that AlGhazali took when questioning the various theses and hypotheses of the times. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@tjoey2112
@tjoey2112 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 ,,, thank u brother, i enjoyed your video.
@MrMirville
@MrMirville 4 ай бұрын
Al Ghazali was NOT an obscurantist : quite the contrary he was inveighing against the cult of Aristotle as an unsurpassable guru which in Europe too was the main blockage to the scientific revolution, and advocating the research of thinkers studying only the two books of God, the Quran and nature.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Agreed Judith. Wonderful input.
@jamesmurphy9426
@jamesmurphy9426 Күн бұрын
I thought it was Them the Mongols
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Күн бұрын
They had a significant part to play that is for sure, but not the only one.
@y.israel922
@y.israel922 4 ай бұрын
لا تتناسى الحروب الصليبية و هجماتهم على الأمة العربية و الإسلامية في الأندلس وغيرها حيث كآنت دول اسيا مسلمة كحال دول القوقاز و دول أوربا الشرقية و حتى الهند و ما حولها و دول أفريقيا ولكن هؤلاء عبدة الاوثان و الصلبان أو الأصنام ✝️👿✡️🏴‍☠️🕉👽♈️☠️🔥💯 لم يتوقفوا عن هجماتهم بكل استطاعتهم على الأمة العربية و الإسلامية واحتلالهم و استعمارهم للوطن العربي والإسلامي و تدميره ولهذا التاريخ من نهب وسلب واستغلال و انتهاز أي فرصة لبقاء الأمة العربية و الإسلامية في ظلام دامس ولكم الفهم مع السلامة
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
طبعاً هذه المسببات الاضافية الذي ذكرتها أيضاً تنطبق على نهاية العصر الذهبي. شكراً جزيلاً على الاضافة.
@dopejoel
@dopejoel Ай бұрын
The human capital of the conquered civilizations dried up
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
Not so sure, the human capital continued on. The golden age didn't just stop overnight, more scholars polymaths and thinkers came but the intensity dwindled. But I really liked your trail of thought.
@suneethamay3615
@suneethamay3615 4 ай бұрын
People had inspiration for diversity not only listening to monks had chance to learn about other faiths also Theere were some sort of cultural exchanges Men wore sarong at that time Then all started wearing trousers l am not sure to mention what to say about this because this is a tropical country Was it best option for mens' croches How to breath air All wrapped like an onion I think it was disastrous attempt as healthwise. Sarong is the best Not about social reform Freedom fighters were able to kick out British left their bank account to Father of the nation Honorable gentle man D.S.Senanayake I don't how much was in that account He used all the money for his benefit and nation aren't unaware of that Bloody Crook still folks think he was great leader Covered his ugly image by his big moustach We must re write our history with honest leaders now on
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Another victim of colonialism as you put it is identity and the abandonment of the need for the belonging to a historic and unique culture.
@trueordrue
@trueordrue 4 ай бұрын
I thought it was because of Mongol invasion, black death and Timur the lame
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Mongol invasion played a part I am sure. Timur Lane's time coincided more with the Ottoman rule hence beyond the Golden Age era. As fr the Black Death, it is well documented that due to the observance of basic hygiene, both Muslims and Jews averted being susceptible to the Plague on a large scale.
@trueordrue
@trueordrue 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 While the Islamic world was not immune to the plague's reach, its impact varied across regions. The mortality rate and social disruption caused by the Black Death had severe consequences on the intellectual and cultural flourishing that characterized the Golden Age. Cities, which were hubs of learning and trade, faced depopulation, economic decline, and a breakdown of social structures. The loss of skilled artisans, scholars, and professionals hindered the continuity of scientific, literary, and artistic advancements. The disruption in trade routes further weakened economies, impacting the vibrant exchange of knowledge and ideas. The psychological trauma and social upheaval caused by the Black Death contributed to a decline in societal optimism, potentially dampening the enthusiasm for intellectual pursuits that had thrived during the earlier years of the Islamic Golden Age. Timur's campaigns, though coinciding with the Ottoman rule, induced political and economic instability with long-lasting consequences. Beyond these events, broader factors like internal conflicts and changing trade patterns likely contributed to the Golden Age's decline. Christians prayed to Timur because he weakend all surrounding Islamic states
@trueordrue
@trueordrue 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 While the Islamic world was not immune to the plague's reach, its impact varied across regions. The mortality rate and social disruption caused by the Black Death had severe consequences on the intellectual and cultural flourishing that characterized the Golden Age. Cities, which were hubs of learning and trade, faced depopulation, economic decline, and a breakdown of social structures. The loss of skilled artisans, scholars, and professionals hindered the continuity of scientific, literary, and artistic advancements. The disruption in trade routes further weakened economies, impacting the vibrant exchange of knowledge and ideas. The psychological trauma and social upheaval caused by the Black Death contributed to a decline in societal optimism, potentially dampening the enthusiasm for intellectual pursuits that had thrived during the earlier years of the Islamic Golden Age. Timur's campaigns, though coinciding with the Ottoman rule, induced political and economic instability with long-lasting consequences. Beyond these events, broader factors like internal conflicts and changing trade patterns likely contributed to the Golden Age's decline.
@trueordrue
@trueordrue 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 While the Islamic world was not immune to the plague's reach, its impact varied across regions. The mortality rate and social disruption caused by the Black disease had severe consequences on the intellectual and cultural flourishing that characterized the Golden Age. Cities, which were hubs of learning and trade, faced depopulation, economic decline, and a breakdown of social structures. The loss of skilled artisans, scholars, and professionals hindered the continuity of scientific, literary, and artistic advancements. The disruption in trade routes further weakened economies, impacting the vibrant exchange of knowledge and ideas. Timur's campaigns, though coinciding with the Ottoman rule, induced political and economic instability with long-lasting consequences. Beyond these events, broader factors like internal conflicts and changing trade patterns likely contributed to the Golden Age's decline.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hi Truerodrue. That is very well put. Maybe an oversight to underscore the impact of the Black Death. It is a very valid point and I thank you for bringing your knowledge to this discussion.
@syedmaricar9946
@syedmaricar9946 4 ай бұрын
There's no golden age still future remaining .
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
The future is indeed unknown but the past we can quantify and the records show that there was an age of Islamic enlightenment.
@TheArvindUTube
@TheArvindUTube 4 ай бұрын
Turks conquered in 13th century. By then Europeans had not sailed to india or America. These may have dealt greater blow. The downfall of golden age started earlier in 11th century ce. Not just one book but more and others followed.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Death by a thousand cuts for sure. Instability and military campaigns do indeed impact the dominance of any civilisation.
@cascarrabias397
@cascarrabias397 4 ай бұрын
The classical knowledge of Greek and other civilizations, translations of philosophical and scientific means, Islam wasn't present yet. The Mu'tazilah period shows that Islam as we know it was not created yet. Al Ma'mun started the inquisition against that believe in 830 and until 1091 when Al Ghazali was appointed by Nizam Al Milik the first prophesier of a new system of education called madrasa.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Great information you share, but I dont see how your points concerning when Islam was created so late are factual or even contend the elements presented in the video. Regarding the method of education you refer to though, Nizamiya systems did indeed have a reductive impact on Muslim curiosity and innovation.
@cascarrabias397
@cascarrabias397 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 No. That is what Islamists are been feeding you. READ other sources an d make sense of them, don't trust no one. Muslims NEED to do research of their own believes, like Christians should to free your self or affirm your faith. Is incredible how in this age Muslims still read the Koran in Arab(Arab was created by Chrisitian monks by the way) and think the understand it. In the case of Christianity, it was until 1962 were Spanish and other languages replaced Latin in the liturgy. I got to tell you something about this channel, it HAS LOTS OF MISINFORMATION.
@dimptgov
@dimptgov 3 ай бұрын
so where are the Moors in this story because he certainly is showing non Moors in this so called history
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 3 ай бұрын
Overall this video is about Islam as a whole. Inclusive of all its peoples and regions. if there is no specific mention of one, then it is not due to an intentional omission. There are many peoples that are excluded but that said and pertaining to Moors, well, there are several imageries that do relay the presence of the Moors in AlAndalusia. If you meant specifically Moors of North Africa then maybe you are correct. But as I stated, this is not meant to minimise or exclude the peoples of the Maghreb when it came to their influence on the Golden Age. Also from a technical perspective, sourcing high quality imagery is very difficult for Muslim subject matter and especially when it comes to people and their visual capture. So this also is a restriction that content creators deal with. Hope this clarifies.
@waleabdulhamid4522
@waleabdulhamid4522 4 ай бұрын
Ascendancy of Europe cannot be termed a valid reason......because we don't have any chronological pattern that can be assigned to it. Also about Ghazalii isn't quite right, cos alghazali died in the 10s and islamic golden qge continued even after his death.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Agreed on your two points. I suppose the ascendency of Europe exhibited a bridging of the gap and hence made it appear that the Golden Age declined. It’s all a matter of perspective.
@servalpunk7411
@servalpunk7411 4 ай бұрын
It's all about $ex, and $ex trade.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Money? Yes. Sex trade? No.
@jasonmarkson3773
@jasonmarkson3773 4 ай бұрын
more like mis-LEAD than gold
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
To each his own.
@anuragdwivedi8243
@anuragdwivedi8243 4 ай бұрын
Your research was great but do you make vid for fun by gathering facts online or you r a history scholar who have read real books Your answer will make your videos more credible
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Hi Anurag. That’s a great question. I am not a scholar by profession. The videos I make are to share facts with a certain perspective that might provide an angle that is different to what others present. My system of fact finding and discovery uses mainly academic papers/essays to help ground the content of the videos. Credibility is important and hence the effort put in is a major commitment to make sure that why is being converted is well grounded. I hope I answered your question.
@anuragdwivedi8243
@anuragdwivedi8243 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277look Tareq now a days every single freeman is making vids with their perspective and very smartly(quietly) add their narrative but rather I prey good fortune 2 u as if you add strong unquestionable facts to your perspective beside being helpful to 1 single group that going to be helpful to societal change for others too. May Lord RAM bless you
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your kindness, generosity and blessings.
@tttyuhbbb9823
@tttyuhbbb9823 4 ай бұрын
At 3: 50: That's total bullshit! Al--Ghazaliyy had never said that! On the contrary, in his attack on philosophers, Al--Ghazaliyy had cited mathematics as one of the good sciences that had descended to us from the (Greek) philosophers, and nobody should object to learn that... But yes, in the end Al-Ghazaliy had participated, in another way, in the decline of the Muslim mind, because he subscribed to a school of thinking called Al---Ashعariyyah, who believed that knowledge had become complete and fixed... (the Islamic counterpart of the European Scholatism...).
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
You are correct about the Asha'iri school of thought and its impact on the decline. Actually more so probably on the impact on education and innovations up to this modern day in Islam.
@Pmooli
@Pmooli 4 ай бұрын
I can imagine that the world never changed much from the first written language to 18th century. Industrialization was the game changer through steam engines, rail and multiple round rifles. A combination of agricultural mastery from the incas, chemistry and engineering from china, vaccination from Africa, mathematics from India
@Tzadokite
@Tzadokite 4 ай бұрын
the combined GDP of the G7 countries, consisting of usa, france, uk, germany, italy, japan, canada, as of today is 30% of the total global GDP. india alone had this GDP under the mughals in 1700ce! the richest man in the world in 1937 as the Nizam (muslim ruler) of the princely state of hyderabad. his picture was on the cover of the Time Magazine for that year. he was richer than rothschild, warburg, rockerfeller, henry ford, vanderbuilt, carnegie and so forth for that year. the combined GDP of the BRICS countries, consisting of brazil, china, russia, india and south africa, as of today is 31% of the global GDP, which is higher than G7. two world wars is all it took for britain to loose all the wealth it stole from all over the world. the wealth was gradually accumulated after numerous genocides, ethnic cleansing's for centuries but it took just two world wars for "the great" britain to loose it all and become a debtor to the usa.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
You are preaching to the choir my friend. But these facts are amazing in providing contextual analysis of the scale and potential power of nations that have been suppressed for so long.
@shirshendughosh5900
@shirshendughosh5900 4 ай бұрын
India was much richer before the arrival of Muslim rulers, India’s gdp was around 30% during the 10& 11 th century, i.e before the arrival of Islam in India. During the end of Mughal rule India’s gdp declined to around 17% of the world gdp. Source: Angus Maddison, World Historical gdp….
@Tzadokite
@Tzadokite 4 ай бұрын
precisely, by the end of the mughal empire, 1857, the british had looted india to the extent that its gdp fell from 30% of the global gdp to 17%. there was no "india" before the muslims came. there were innumerable disunited kingdoms at war with each other, not different from the innumerable kingdoms in western europe. only with colonization did the western european nations saw themselves being a distinct "western european" entity relative to the rest of the world. hindustan, which later became india, was called such by the muslims for the land beyond the hindu kush mountains.
@nicholaskazan275
@nicholaskazan275 4 ай бұрын
How, HOW could you miss the elephant in the room. The Turks! The Seljuks were backward warring people as Ibn Fadlan amply averred. But by sheer greed and violence they went to "convert" and then become "ghazis" What nonsense, hypocrites with no notion of conscience. But they did whack the Ghaznavids. And that it was when Nizam-al-Mulk came on the scene, in 1043 and started to serve Tughril and Chagri and engineered the victory of Alp Arslan over the rightful claimant Suleiman Qutalmish. Why? Because it was Nizam-al-Mulk who pulled all the strings in the Great Seljuk realm, administration and governance that is and said so loudly. And, of course, the religious schools - Nizzamiyas. And it was him who nurtured the young Al Ghazali who became the mind that shifted the rational and powerful Islamic current driven by science to dogmatic gargle bowing to the God Sky Allah. Why, ask yourself? To fit the simple minds of the Turks, who never invented anything except the concept to conquer and subjugated all people they could; by being Ghazis, Islam gave them an excuse to keep on conquering. Nizam-al-Mulk run this Turkic Seljuk Mafia and it is him who is responsible for the destruction. Now, after the death of Malik Shah and assassination of Nizam-al-Mulk Al Ghazali had a mental break-down in 1094 after which he disappeared for eleven years. It finally hit him: he had been the tool in the hands of Nazim and gave in to ego and power hunger, thus destroying the rational Islam in the process, for the benefit of whom? The Turkic Mafia?! Turks who never gave a damn about religion, any religion, be that Tengrism (borrowed from Indo-European because they were shamans) Manicheaism, Judaism (for Seljuk Khan surely was one and he even gave his sons Jewish names) and so forth. Turks were responsible, then carried the Caliphate to Istanbul, and used Islam to further their brutal invasion and colossal mafia enterprise until they became sick and fell, the curse of thievery cauth up with them... Moreover , came Ataturk and buried it. Only to see Erdogan trying to bring the Turks back to life. I mean the "strong", the "brave", the "beautiful" as Turuk or Turk word means (read the Orkhon Inscriptions). Do movies, and KZfaq galore to make the descendants of raped and pillage Christians (check their DNA) believe they are Turks. What non-sense!!! Ah, as for Mongols, had it not been for the Turkic invasions there would not been a precedent for Mongols to follow, and the destruction of the House of Wisdom.. And the 100 million plus humans killed by Turco-Mongols? Well, that must be the modesty preached by Islam that Turks surely did not practiced. Barbaric Turks destroyed more that the mind can comprehend, and it isn't just your mind Kandari, it the mind of scores of idiotic scholars and "historians" who have no clue except to regurgitate and babble idiocies; and make the greatest barbaric people look like conquerors when they were the greatest destroyers of cultures and civilizations ever. So you have the answer. Have a great day Kandari!
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Shame. Your knowledge is vast and well grounded and could have provided perspectives that others had not been exposed to. But then you had to go and be insulting, consequently losing any credibility.
@nicholaskazan275
@nicholaskazan275 4 ай бұрын
When you belong to groups of people who slaughtered 100 million innocent humans and still claim that they were "great conquerors, you know that something is dead wrong with your perception. Similar with Putin now and his brain washed Russians who believe in the brutal killing of innocent Ukrainians, the world must also tell the Turks that theirs was not a great history but a chain of destructive events lasting over two millennia that left immense destruction behind, unimaginable human destruction behind. To aid and abet such historical claims such as those Turks keep selling is to not only be distant from human consciousness but to be utterly irresponsible, inhuman. Worse, instead of trying to atone and make amends, beating the drums of these violent times brought by the Turks - which crippled the human development in vast regions of Eurasia and Africa - is to continue to act irresponsible, with violence. You, as a teacher of history should recognize this truths, You should step up your studies and have the courage to speak the Truth. Like Salahudin did. Be a modest and truthful Muslim! And do not 'project' on me and speak of hatred for you know all too well that what I wrote is the Truth, the very painful Truth!!!@@tareqkandari7277
@nicholaskazan275
@nicholaskazan275 3 ай бұрын
Timur slaughtered 17 million humans, was a monster. That was not Renaissance. It was cultural rape. Thousands of artists and craftsmen brought as slaves built Samarkand. Praising rapists is driving you further from the truth and the purpose of this query. @@Qoral-ef5rz
@nicholaskazan275
@nicholaskazan275 3 ай бұрын
Turks, Turco-Mongols had nothing to begin with, but animals and yurts, bows and arrows, nothing else. Nothing to offer. Kill and steal, kill and steal. They stole everything, everything sedentary cultures and civilizations built and achieved over millennia. To reason otherwise is to be detached from reality and/or support the rapists and blame the victims, and, worse, project your own deficiency onto other.@@Qoral-ef5rz
@Tzadokite
@Tzadokite 4 ай бұрын
too much is made about the ancient greeks and their "science". remember, that the greek alphabet, alpha, beta, gamma and so forth came from aleph, bet, gimel and so forth of the hebrew/semitic alphabets (alpha-bet from aleph-bet). the ancient greeks were mostly compilers of what was developed before them. their "senate" and "democracy" was imitation of the ancient israelite sanhedrin which was in continuous existence for more than 600 years before greeks. the greeks were into philosophy and disliked experimentation. they had no concept of the scientific method which was invented by ibn haytham. the greeks used alphabets as numerals just like the ancient israelites from whom they learned it. their materialistic philosophy was simply an imitation of the ideas of the zadokite/sadducee priesthood who did not believed in afterlife, heaven, hell and so forth. one just needs to see how much the world changed in the thousand years after the so called greek "science", "philosophy", "mathematics", "medicine" etc. not much! compare that to the qualitative and quantitative change in the world within a thousand years after islam in mathematics, medicine, chemistry, physics etc. the ancient greeks were a footnote to the ancient israelites.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Dont disagree with you. This concept of one civilisation's wealth of knowledge is confusing to me. Nothing comes out of a vacuum. There are always precedents and channels that assist one in arriving at what is perceived to be "New" knowledge. Even the Ancient Israelite Sanhedrin you mention picked part of an even more ancient to develop and make their own. Thats the natural progression of the world. Thanks for your great insight.
@Farrukhakhtar6Akhtar-ls9bl
@Farrukhakhtar6Akhtar-ls9bl Ай бұрын
The golden age of islam was not the period of Baghdad or Spain. The golden age of islam was the period of Rasulallah and sahabas.After sahabas period muslim declination started.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 Ай бұрын
I dont think you will have any argument with the point you make.
@yousufbaloch3532
@yousufbaloch3532 4 ай бұрын
Thanks to the Muslims Renaissance existed
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
True. But also when we look at history, there is nothing that starts from an absolute zero. Even the Golden Age of Islam took from Greek scholars and other civilisations. The Age just highlights the moment in time when Muslims took on the responsibility to take knowledge to the next threshold.
@tarantula51
@tarantula51 4 ай бұрын
Thanks the whites we have modern world
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Let's be grateful to all colors.
@tarantula51
@tarantula51 4 ай бұрын
@@tareqkandari7277 wow. delete my comment. how dishonest of you. now i know
@TextBookPuncher1
@TextBookPuncher1 4 ай бұрын
The fall happened because of desert Arabs
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Clearly you have Desert Arab issues.
@user-yp2sc1cy1n
@user-yp2sc1cy1n 4 ай бұрын
You lost me at know-it-all Neil. Is there anything he's NOT an "expert in"? 👎
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Well that is what the video does reveal, that Mr Tyson does not know it all. Not by a long shot. Hope I didn't lose you.
@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY
@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY 4 ай бұрын
Useless!!! The myth of Columbus discovering the new world???
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Let's just say he did for the video's argument! 😁
@philiplahm2420
@philiplahm2420 4 ай бұрын
Pff😂
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
Maybe this channel isn’t for you?
@user-zr2bf2yf6r
@user-zr2bf2yf6r 4 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as Islamic golden age because most of the scientists were Persian not arab Muslims do its better called Persian golden age
@AbdoTawdy
@AbdoTawdy 4 ай бұрын
Did he say arab?! He say Muslim... Islam is not only for arab ppl
@user-zr2bf2yf6r
@user-zr2bf2yf6r 4 ай бұрын
@@AbdoTawdy you don't know anything about Persian scientists. Mohammad zakaraia razi, al Kashi, avecina, kawrazmi, sohrawardi and many other Persian scientist didn't practice Islam and it's teachings. For instance Muslims called razi the great Persian scientist "kafer " or a person who doesn't believe in Islam and Allah so they killed him by smashing his books to his skull.
@zayn3134
@zayn3134 4 ай бұрын
Islam is not a race of arabs but persian muslims also this is whay is called islamic golden age not arab golden age.
@user-zr2bf2yf6r
@user-zr2bf2yf6r 4 ай бұрын
@@zayn3134 read my answer to @AbdoTawdy I'm aware that islam is not a race. Read the history of islam and how Arab Muslims forced Thier religion to other nations by killing innocent people also they burned countless Persian books about different scientific subjects because they think that the only book they need is the quran. after that they stoled our achievements which is unrelated to islam.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
I am not sure why there is this big trigger concerning the naming of both the age and the video. Indeed there were scholars from all religion and ethnicities. There is no doubt there. There were Christians and Jews who were an integral part of the Golden Age. Also Arabs, Persians, Africans and Europeans. Does labelling it Islam belittle the value of Persians within the narrative of its history. Absolutely not. The value that Islam did bring and infuse, is the environment, political and financial for this high level of scholarly excellence.
@holyarmor578
@holyarmor578 4 ай бұрын
"The golden age" of islam was all Persian science, mathematics, astrology and literature
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 4 ай бұрын
I am unsure as to why making this distinction is necessary or valid. The Golden Age was a hodge podge of thinkers and scholars from across the Caliphate. From West India all the way to Andalusia. To say that it was all Persian is naive and exclusive. Persians, some of whom were Muslim, did indeed add greatly to the knowledge and discovery of the times. There is no denying that. But to stay they did all, is unfair and inaccurate.
@ramzan6949
@ramzan6949 4 ай бұрын
In this time persian were sunni Muslims.
@holyarmor578
@holyarmor578 4 ай бұрын
@tareqkandari7277 Majority Science astrology etc came from the Persians, and what they've had before islam as a very advanced culture. Has nothing to do with islam. That's why making this distinction.
@ramzan6949
@ramzan6949 4 ай бұрын
@@holyarmor578 why your science didn’t born in sassanid period why this after in Islamic period?
@ramzan6949
@ramzan6949 4 ай бұрын
@@holyarmor578 science is not culture. Science is try to understand physical world.
@user-fn3fu6pr5l
@user-fn3fu6pr5l 2 ай бұрын
With due respect, brother, not sure what is wrong according to you with revisionism about islam. Truth must be under scrutiny all the time. I understand that you as a muslim doesn't like it. I feel the same as a christian with the revisionism of my faith but that is the price to pay for the truth being truth.
@tareqkandari7277
@tareqkandari7277 2 ай бұрын
On the contrary, I am not against revisionism but revisionism must be addressed in the same way as the original history itself. If it is truth then nothing can stand in its way. Thank you for your insight!
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