lmao

Not the strangest musical accompaniment I’ve heard when it comes to that guy

_I aM tHE EGgMan_

Now just imagine if the nazis had access to doctor eggman tech.

Last I heard of Nazis and Robotnik being talked about in the same sentence, it was about Ken Penders rewriting a Holocaust poem to be about the Sonic universe.

I was going to ask how you managed to time travel and leave a comment yesterday for video that went up a few minutes ago, then realized it’s probably one of the Patreon or other supporter bonuses that come from having the means and inclination to fund such wonderful content... For that I thank you.

Facts

@@MungkaeX no

@@xnortheast1106 what do you mean “No”?

Where do you suggest viewer like myself, look for the start of this Arc? I'd like to have more context for the misadventures of "imposter syndrome"🤔😏

I feel you have the best idea

@@skibot9974 agreed.

his memory didn't come back until Metal showed up, so, you have some leeway

Absolutely agreed. Educate him, and give him the full truth about who he was, what he used to do, how he used to do it, and lay it all out there for him. Give him the chance to either commit to staying as the friendly Mr. Tinker, or reverting to his old ways, but if he does revert, he's doing it _on our terms_ in a scenario where we can stop him before he gets anything started. And if he does stay Mr. Tinker, he's doing so in full knowledge of who he was, and the things he's done, and probably appropriately horrified to boot. That way, even if the proper memories themselves flood back, his old personality now has to contend with that horror he feels toward his old self's actions. Bonus points if there is an opportunity to let Mr. Tinker help with thwarting a threat arisen from some old assets of Eggman's. Makes me wonder if/what Mr. Tinker might have been able/willing to contribute to the efforts against Neo Metal Sonic. As it is, no one ever really told him what the deal was with Eggman, or his history, they simply let him remain ignorant. Which meant when the memories returned, there was no opposition from Mr. Tinker. Tinker had been told that Eggman was an evil genius that made a lot of people afraid, and that was all he knew - and so, he was afraid of this mysterious Eggman too, and when Starline started trying to turn him back, he expressed that he didn't want to be Eggman... but he didn't really understand _why_ beyond a general idea from everyone that he was bad. Then he remembered it all, and there was no existing horror or feelings of repentance or anything of the sort to give him any reason to _not_ just immediately go "Wait, yes, I remember now, that's what I was doing, well, let's get back to it!" If anything, it opened the possibility for Mr. Tinker to even perhaps feel upset with the heroes for not telling him the truth about who he used to be, further incentivizing his return to being Eggman. The story (and the video) deals with the question of whether an innocent man should be punished for Eggman's crimes - the idea of executing a man for crimes he committed but doesn't remember is a controversial one at best. But in a situation like that, perhaps allowing the man to learn what he's done, and be _horrified_ by it all might be the closest you come to executing the man he used to be. Complete prevention might not be possible, but making the new personality aware, horrified, and repentant for the things his old self did is about as close as you can come. Even when memories return, the new man has incentive to reject his old personality and his old identity, because the man he is _now_ despises what he did before. If you can get that to stick? Eggman is dead - and compassion and learning is what killed him.

Or hell, just play up that they enjoy competing with each other. Shadow passes down his title of Ultimate Lifeform to Sonic at the end of SA2 so he competes with Sonic to test himself against who he believes to be the best.

@@jouheikisaragi6075 That could work too

@@jouheikisaragi6075 agreed; i dont like it when shadow is turned into a bootleg vegeta. just some competition would be nice

Who knows? Eggman wasn't exactly against the whole idea of Mr.Tinker. Maybe it might appear in future issues.

@@acehardware2823 He wasn't against the idea you say... The jackass literally attacked with the metal virus the village as a reward

@@karlamunozcr True, but he later admitted to Sonic that his life as Mr Tinker was relaxing.

He's too pure

Yeah

I mean, if they acknowledged Blaze then maybe Eggman Nega would appear too 👀

@@therealfigu Eggman Nega is under mandate crap, he will come back only if sega wants him to

uhhhhh we got bad news

@@jackslater8573 very very bad

Bad news? Nah, we got WORSE news.

Well that depends on which eggman you r talking about. Archie eggman I believe is a psychopath but canon eggman is not. He just wants to rule the world. The only person he intended to kill was sonic back in adventure 2 ( i know he threatened to kill amy too but if he wanted to he could have and killed tails too as there was nothing stopping him from doing so) and only then and when he thought he did kill sonic he called him "his admirable adversary". Also in adventure 2 when he found out that shadow wanted to destroy the earth, he teamed up with sonic to prevent that from happening. Even in the event of sonic unleashed when eggman released dark gaia and split the earth no one died. He had everything under control for the most part.

@@onthebay15 Let’s not forget about Lost World, too. While he did reluctantly team up with Sonic and Tails to stop the Deadly Six from using his Extractor to destroy their world and become unstoppable, he later showed humility following Tails’s capture. It’s an often overlooked moment, but he says this: “Tails sacrificed himself for the greater good. Let’s make sure his sacrifice isn’t for nothing.”

Yeah Archie eggman is a complete psychopath he did atrocious and horrific acts like teleporting people to power a city or locking snively in an animal capsule forever or gunning down sally

The problem is that you can teach and make good people do horrible things and murder. Look at the nazis. Soldiers that carried out horrible acts of morbid brutality and terror on civilians. And in war as long as you don't see their faces, it's much easier to kill them. They often justified their crimes by saying they simply followed orders. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.“ - Steven Weinberg. Though my dad responded with: That's for all ideologies. Meaning religion is no different from nazis, communists, patriotic americans, america first, britain first or any nationality. All beliefs that justify crimes and savagery for the ones preaching and enforcing it.

@@magnusm4 True. According to Milgram's experiment, about 60% can be swayed to do evil anyway. Also, my mistake. I should have specified Archie sonic. Sonic Adventure Eggman and Sonic Boom eggman are muuuch nicer human beings.

Yeah I would have liked one more comic to flesh mr tinker out

I always see you

Y'know, when Shadow says "Losing one's memory doesn't make them any less dangerous" he's speaking ENTIRELY from personal experience.

*sees unalive* i see u too are a man of culture

Can't blame Shadow for Infinite. He was just doing his job

No

also, in SA2 eggman was helping shadow and rouge!

It's similar to Prime and Megatron. Once Megatron finally (temporarily) was free of Prime, he just lost all motivation because his life revolved around their conflict and without it he's empty.

Like What they did with Kintobor’s brainwaves in Fleetway. Without directly being a parallel to get past SEGA restrictions that could work and I’d love to see that.

I don't really know how to feel about. Not because of the comment itself, but your profile picture.

@@MilhSpears It's Jigglypuff bro she's my main in Smash Bros

y u everywhere bro

To me IDW Sonic is better with handing Redemption than Steven universe does he gives it a try with people knows it won't always work but he at least knows when the metal virus happen he mess up but still tries to carry on knowing it won't last

If this was Sonic 06 Shadow he would’ve been far more calm and collected. Heck, 06 Shadow wouldn’t have fought Sonic period.

Why?

Poor Espio, little did he know Sonic's decisions would end sorta ending Espio's mental health..... *BUT THATS A STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY!!!!!* 😅

Oh yeah it's completely intentional, but it is a noticeable shift from some previous interpretations. Just find it interesting

@@GameApologist I feel like ever since Shadow has debuted, since he's supposed to be Sonic's anti heroic foil, Sonic HAS to be the nice one by comparison, which means making his more negative qualifies less obvious. Which is ironic given that Sonic was originally designed to be something of an antihero himself.

@@sonic5993 He got Mickey Moused

That one is nickle pick, its thd opposite of pickle nick

He calls himself Pickle Nick

actually, thats not pickle nick, its nickle pick

@@treynobles Funniest sh*t I've ever seen

That is something DC has tackled in stories.

Is that so? sounds like an interesting read

@@alphadd8756 Identity Crisis, my dude! It is a polarizing story, but the concept is interesting

@@GameApologist Im smelling a DC speed reading lol. Jokes aside i'll def give it a read sounds super dope!

That whole line of thought calls into question, "is deleting someone's memories basically killing them?" The morality is easy if it comes down to "would you rather die or would you rather live a new life with no memories from the old", it's still complicated, but at least there is a chance the person continues on Morality is harder if that person wasn't going to be executed however, some would say that you are basically killing them without actually killing, while others would argue it's still the same person, just with a blank slate, same natural skills, same muscle memory to do tasks, but without anything from before. Overall a subject that just goes down the never ending rabbit hole of consciousness

i would of gone with Moe Howard from the Three Stooges XD

L.A.Studios L.A.Studios Comics Eggman is the definitive Eggman tbh

I think the last Sonic game that captured how cruel he can be is Unleashed. While he isn't the final boss it is clear he's the main villain serving as the catalyst to the game's plot and they really went out of their way to make him a threat with having to defeat him as the stakes are raised. When Sonic is fighting him in the penultimate boss during free fall the music really captures how insane and unhinged he is saying things like "Die you miserable pincushion." Maybe Sonic Frontiers will give us the threatening Robotnik that we long for.

@@warioland523 exactly

That's no Good!

I was going to ask how you managed to time travel and leave a comment yesterday for video that went up a few minutes ago, then realized it’s probably one of the Patreon or other supporter bonuses that come from having the means and inclination to fund such wonderful content... For that I thank you.

XD

@@doovey_albertgaming2839 That is actually my head-canon. Shadow has had plenty of opportunities to end him.

His nephew?

@@NoNamex1412 Gerald Robotnik is Eggman's and Maria's grandfather and he is also Shadow's creator. Technically this makes Shadow Eggman's and Maria's Uncle.

Didn't shadow kill eggman on his videogame? I mean, it's not canon, but it was programmed and a team thought about it.

"You won't BELIEVE what this bitch said to me while I was checking out of Whole Foods today!"

Justice is flawed as in the wrong hands it can be disproportionate retribution.

Its fan art

Technically he didn't forget whohe was. If Gerald. casual fan then he just forgot a promise that he made, if you're an enthusiast his memories were altered by gerald.

@@fightingmedialounge519 I am referring his literal complete amnesia in Sonic Heroes, "enthusiast"

@@Lazypackmule that happend after he alredy decided to help protect humanity in adventure2( that's what nick means when he said shadowed shadow consciously chose to to change his ways).

@@fightingmedialounge519 Shadow didn't "change his ways" at the end of SA2, because the evil actions he engaged in were never something he made a conscious decision to do in the first place, they were forced into him by Gerald

@@Lazypackmule not exactly. Gerald implanted false memories inside of shadow's mind to influence his actions, but whether or not he went through with it is all on shadow.

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Its metal sonic

@@kage2701 O h . . . Thanks for the spoiler.