I do believe that the universe is part of something a bigger That its fine tuned by something way more powerful then myself and us humans will never be able to grasp it

The universe is fine tuned for life. What utter nonsense. Most of these facts given by the presenter are misquotes or taken out of context, 99.999% of the universe would kill you in less than a minute.

@@Triskster Really?... We Christians always believed the entire universe to be perfectly safe for human life. We always thought people could live on the sun & breath in the vacuum of space? Thank you for telling us about these dangers... what would have done without your wisdom?

Yes I do. God is awesome and “unbelievable”....that’s why I believe in GOD.

@ EVIDENT one9teen Are you a Christian?

He listed many of them, such as the distance between the Earth and the sun, the axial tilt of the earth, the distance of the moon, the existence of Jupiter and Saturn. I don't know the reason for these but I will research it, you could do the same.

Maybe some people do, but most don’t. It’s not “avoiding” things, it’s being able to explain things without the need for a god.

@@guyjosephs5654 And we haven't been able to do it, the closer we get the mor the answer points to God. Consciousness and what created the big bang and the immensely fine tuned universe.

@@duncanbarnard1832 that’s not how many see or interpret things. For some things point to a God, but many don’t see that. Consciousness is a hugely difficult thing to study. Same with the before the Big Bang. The universe isn’t fine tuned. Are you saying that because we can’t explain everything that the only possible explanation is a God?

@@guyjosephs5654 No that's certainly not what I'm saying at all, I don't do the god of the gaps nonsense. The universe's expansion rate, gravity etc are immensely fine tuned to our existence.

@@duncanbarnard1832 we are adapted to our surrounding. Life evolved to the environment on earth.

That’s fine as long as you don’t love the way he represents science and atheism. He does a horrible job there.

@@guyjosephs5654 ehh not really, he doesn’t really insult it in anyway, he just explains what the Bible means about stuff about atheism. Can you please explain to me what he got wrong?

@@Hanako-San100 when he says “if atheism is merely a lack of belief, this this chair is an atheist, this book is an atheist”…yes that’s insulting and ridiculous. He’ll then begin to talk about scientists and then go, “we’ll really we mean atheists”…he is then acting like there aren’t scientists who do believe.

@@guyjosephs5654 ohh I get your point. Majority of scientists are atheists or agnostics. I’ve never really heard him say that all scientists are atheists but the arguments atheists used how it’s based on science and atheist scientists he’s talking about or encountered. I think about the chair and book thing it’s kinda true like how can they have a belief if they are not alive, they lack having a belief in everything around them not just religion. he could have worded it better tho.

@@Hanako-San100 the way he switches from scientists to atheists shows me he’s trying to make a point and not a nice one. Well if someone uses science, and sees things that have natural explanations I can make sense for them to reach certain conclusions. No, the chair and book thing is misrepresenting and disrespectful. They are inanimate objects, they aren’t alive and him comparing them is an insult and shows he’s desperate. He could have said some other creatures but he choose things that aren’t alive. I genuinely think he purposely misrepresents atheism and science. He’s done apologetics long enough to know better. He picks and chooses what science to talk about and then still cheery picks.

God is what nobody admits to being but everybody really is.

@@hjalmar.poelzig Having imaginary friends leads to mental issues like Dunning-Kruger.

@James Henry Smith You can always imagine that your favorite deity is ultimately behind any natural phenomenon, including evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang, the weather, the orbits of planets or whatever. That doesn't mean that a scientific explanation of how these things work is an attack on religion.

@James Henry Smith Saying you are a "child of God" is just a poetic way of saying you ARE God, in the sense that you are s manifestations of the Divine, an incarnation of the essential stuff of the cosmos, the way that seemingly separate waves are sll made of the sea. Evanglicals twist this into a parent-child relationship with all its emotional baggage and games of dominance and submisdion, of obedience and rebellion and punishment vs. reward.

tell me if i'm made in the image of god why am i not eternal, immaterial, spaceless, timeless, omnipotent and omniscient? you really swallow franks bull don't you. i'm as "in the image of god" as a monkey.

@James Henry Smith keep the faith my brother🙏🏽✝️ we are in some wicked times

@James Henry Smith You find that firmament yet? The satellite companies sure haven't.

Amen

@@JB-yb4wn all that space stuff is fake no one or nothing has ever left the earth’s atmosphere

@@1sgr1999 Well that is a stupid statement. Tell me, if the Soviets lied about being the first in space, wouldn't the Americans have called them out on that? Also, how do you explain thousands and thousands of satellites orbiting the planet providing idiots like you with GPS?

Maybe learn about the big bang instead of learning it from idiots? The Big bang doesn't say everything came from nothing, that's what the Bible says. Big bang doesn't describe time , matter, and space coming into existence after it happened. It describes them expanding , after it stopped being whatever it was before that moment. Some also say "what caused it?". Answer is "we don't know". Than they say "than why could it be not god?" Which god? Your god? Why is it your god? Why is it not a random spaghetti monster named "jefferson"?. Also it's not any religion. Why? Religion is lack of evidence, instead of rushing answers for things we don't know , just admit that we don't know. Do fairys exist? They don't. Why do we know they don't exist? Because of lack of evidence. Same applies to God . Until he's proven to exist , he doesn't exist. Some say "well what about my personal experience with God" children also have personal experience with Santa Claus and toothfairy. Does that mean they are real?.

When your video source has no clips of the space shuttle... and the ISS comes up in the search results... the rest becomes history 😉

@@evidentone9teen259 Just had to rib you a little. That's what friends are for.😁

@@hashtag415 You know I love it 😊

@@evidentone9teen259 And I love what you're doing here. Don't ever stop spreading the Good News!

@@evidentone9teen259 Just like when your bible has no semblance of science.

We can tell there is a fine tuner. Because all carbon and matter has a tonal vibration that's tuned the precise tune.

Bad logic

Well without black holes we woukdnt be here. Also its as if youre making the assumption that there are other universes. Otherwise how else could you say the fine tuning of this universe isnt rare. The multiverse idea is literally made up so that current science stays relevant. They have no answer as to why the universe is fine tuned and the only the way around it other than god is to say, meh we are just one of infinite universes and of which, 1 would have to be as our universe is. If that isnt faith then i dont know what is.

@@Verse_John3_16 No, I don't make any assumption about other universes. My point is that we would need them in order to have any idea if the parameters in ours are unlikely. Since we cannot observe other universes we cannot make the fundamental assumption in fine-tuning, that the values in our universe are unlikely by chance. Since nobody can assume other universes (including me) any argument that rests on the notion that ours are unlikely has no legs to stand on. Fine-tuning actually needs them and their absence makes fine-tuning mere speculation. You are making a common mistake regarding the multiverse hypothesis. It is not "made up" in any way. A large number of valid scientific theories, theories that have been validated over and over again in the realms we do observe, predict them. Multiple universes are a prediction made by the math we use every day that faithfully explain our universe. Most physicists and cosmologists are actually quite unhappy with this prediction because observing them seems impossible. One physicist, Laura Mersimi-Houghton of UNC Chapel Hill, is presenting evidence that we can see their effects in the CMB. We'll have to see if this evidence stands the test of time. At any rate, you are incorrect to assert that the notion of the multiverse is just made up. Completely incorrect.

If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico. If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created. Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.

@@goranmilic442 my brother your faith has been misplaced..seek first the Kingdom of Heaven according to God's righteous will..and the truth to your statement will come to you

@@toringorman843 Argument from design is still wrong.

@@goranmilic442 seek The Lord my brother and The Truth will make you free

@@toringorman843 prove A god exists, then prove its the simpleton from your comic book

#Hashtag . Who makes it then ?

@@Thehorsemen-ok7mt Well it's safe to say your parents made _you._ Blame them if you need to point fingers. End of story.

#Hashtag . Yeah . I’m also not convinced with the Intelligent designer argument . My favourite poor design being the Close proximity of our genitals to our rectum . Not only is this aesthetically displeasing, it's also unhygienic. Combined with our short urethras - especially in women - this leads to frequent urinary tract and bladder infections (UTIs) (remember, front to back, ladies). As the character Darald quipped in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, "Let me just say that if God was a city planner he would not put a playground next to a sewage system."

@@Thehorsemen-ok7mt Sounds like an issue for the complaint box. If you can find one. Sorry I'm not a sounding board for your dialogue. Have a nice day.

#Hashtag . No. It’s an important aspect of the intelligent design debate .

I believe what shows how everything is fine-tuned is exactly the fact that all of these things are “on point”, no more and no less. Just the “right percentage” to accommodate life and allow life to adjust itself as well.

Eric K not according to Hawking. You should have straightened him out on that before he died.

No it would colapse back on itself according to Hawking and the likes, listen in class.

Doesn’t change the fact that the universe still has to be created and those laws of it had to be created

@@duncanbarnard1832 It takes 30 seconds of googling for anyone to find out you are 100% incorrect. The fine tuning argument contends that humans wouldn’t exist in our current form if the laws of physics were different from what they are now. It doesn’t contend that that no universe could exist if the laws of physics were different. The fact that you admonish Eric K to pay attention in class right after you say something that is so easily disproven is embarrassing.

@@joelercoaster Your argument applies to God as well.

It is possible that you have never bothered to watch the video. It is also possible that you have only come to this video to make this comment. Lots of things are possible. That this universe is the result of luck is not one of them.

Icanplay dominos betterthanyou can n n n . . .

Oh, then there was a cogent reason for wiping out the dinosaurs then? Love to hear it. They must have been "wicked" or something.

einstein said it and it was a joke, as he was humanist and didn't hold with god.

s@@JB-yb4wn Presence of Dinosaurs would prevent human civilization to flourish. So it was God's plan to wipe them off....

I think a great god would not let millions of child suffer and die. Or design people to blow themselves up and kill children. And a great god would not let child rapists represent it. A great god would not make a universe so anti life. 99.999999% of the universe cannot support life. Please define “great”.

@@tommyscott5366 you haven’t understood what Great means as it’s hard to translate it into English and the word great. God describes Himself with His beautiful attributes but not all of them we know. One of His names is the all Wise and certain things happen (disasters, famine, illness, war) out of His Wisdom or Complete Knowledge which we lack. We can’t know the past, present and future like God does. God is not bound by our time or laws of physics, chemistry and biology etc. Look into the Qur’an and how God introduces Himself. God isn’t a male or a female so me saying His/We/Him here is a Royal Majestic plural. How was this verse and so many others so accurate now and back then 1400 years ago? When mankind wasn’t yet this advanced. Way before the method of science explored and discovered it? Isn’t that a miracle in itself. Test the claims of the Qur’an and and use your intellect you will be surprised and not be able to test it. It’s beyond our comprehension but at the same time still understandable and relatable to our very psyche. Greatest means God made the universe from nothing, sustains it, wrote its laws, and will one day destroy it all and everything in it and nothing is comparable to God. No man, woman or system or anything can even come close to matching Gods Power and Might.

@@Takeonm You clearly did not read and comprehend my post. And what verse are you talking about? And everything you wrote about "god" has no evidence to back it up. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For instance, I am the creator of all things and life did not exist before me. What you call history is a delusion from Satan. You did not give any evidence. Zero. And you didn't respond to my post. And great is not hard to define at all. That is some very perverse sophistry. Finally, a great god would dictate a book that allows so called men to fly planes into buildings? Kill themselves and others and cafes? Beat women? Murder women for the smallest of offenses? Blame the rape victim? If you put five seconds of thought into your beliefs you would see that your beliefs are based on nothing and have led to horrific crimes. But that is all religions. Give me one verse from the Koran that makes a scientific claim that is a fact today that WAS NOT a known fact 1,500 years ago.

@@tommyscott5366 you’ve got a very warped idea of islam and that ignorance is stopping you from going beyond what you believe to be true. Take politics out of your held beliefs and you’ll see the actual message behind the Qur’an. It could not have come from a man and is supernatural in nature. There are many things in the Qur’an that desert nomads would not have even known about let alone have the capacity to investigate that have been proven and backed up by modern scientific methods. Examples: embryo development, mountains being pegs within the base, movement and formation of the clouds to bring down rain, every living thing being made from water, orbit of the sun and our solar system, expansion theory, internal waves within the deep oceans, pain receptors and that’s just a few. The Qur’an adds detail to these things that no one was able to back then. I’m not saying believe in these things but look into them properly with an open mind before you start stating things that are untrue. Sit down with someone who knows Arabic and knows the Qur’an and can explain these things to you. I don’t blindly follow things and always go back and check I actually looked into a lot of things I’m stating here and came to my own conclusions before accepting them. Have a nice day

Can you tell me what are the chances of having a planet like planet Earth?

@@goranmilic442 Chances? Wait, let me call my bookie.

@@LazlosPlane If you don't know those chances, why are you commenting on foolery of calling something chance?

@@goranmilic442 ZZZzzz...zzz...zz..ZZZzz...

@@LazlosPlane Good one.

If you create an experiment in a lab, you are not part of the experiment. You are in charge of the inputs which effect the outputs.

@@ronaldmorgan7632 Maybe yes, maybe no - depends on the experiment. But this is not important. What is important is that you are restricted by the laws of nature while doing the experiment.

What can first, the omnipotent being, or the laws of nature? It’s the omnipotent being who WROTE the laws of nature. He is not limited by his creation The laws of nature existed at the beginning of the universe, but the laws of nature are just that, “of nature.” They do not exist outside of nature. They are not eternal. The omnipotent being (God) is. He existed, he then wrote the laws of nature and created the universe. The question from this video is: If God didn’t create the universe, how did it get here when we know based on the laws of nature that it had to be this specifically fine tuned?

​@@bnstv1716 What is first? The laws of nature are the first and the omnipotent being is no where to be found. Nature is all that is or was or ever will be. Nothing exists outside the nature. All the things that are so called fine tuned are part of the laws of nature. Your last sentence shows what god in all religions is. Not knowing something and inserting god to fill our current gap in knowledge produces a god of the gaps. A "being " that gets smaller and smaller as time passes by.

@@Nathillien I’m not presenting a “God of the gaps,” I’m asking a valid question that I can rephrase in multiple ways (and will below). My ultimate point is that a Creator is more plausible than the millions of assumptions that must be accepted as true to believe to the contrary. I’m the beginning (the Big Bang) was matter, energy, and space, in addition to laws of nature to govern the matter, energy, and space. So, how did the matter come to exist? The energy? Space? How did the laws come into existence? Why is there gravity? Laws of thermodynamics? What caused the Big Bang? Why did the universe begin to expand? If you start at the singularity of the Big Bang, how did we even get to there being a singularity? When you consider the materialistic/evolutionary answer to these questions, you must deny reason by concluding the effect (universe) had no cause. You must conclude the universe itself is eternal, which begs many questions, not least of which is: How did the universe get so small? If it was already small, why did it decide to “bang” and expand? What changed to cause the eternal universe to begin expanding? These are valid questions. Ignoring all religion, these questions must have a viable answer for materialism to make sense

Lol 😆 this is a terrible comment if your trying mock or discredit the resurrection of Jesuse Christ. Not a single Christian would deny that His resurrection defies the laws of nature. That's why it is called a... ahem... a miracle. Truth is, there's a lot of unexplainable events in this universe, no Christian will claim to have answers to them all, hence you have faith. If you really dig into the science of evolution, you'll see quite a bit a faith involved there as well.

Happene quite a bit actually.

@@the-moocow If I have faith that Mohammed split the Moon in half, no evidence, just faith, or if I have faith that Ares began World War 1 and Wonder Woman stopped him, how would you prove my faith is not true?

@@goranmilic442 beliefs based on faith can't really be proved. I can't disprove your faith nor can you mine. That wasn't my point. My point was that some points of scripture aren't easily explained via science and must be taken on faith. Maybe some Christians will propose some scientific, measurable basis for the resurrection but most will agree this point requires faith to believe.. imho

@@the-moocow OK, I get that. But how do you choose what to believe, what not to believe? If you don't know something or can't explain something, then story ends there. You don't know.

What about mighty yaweh?

In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

No, rape, torture, murder, extortion, slavery, robbery and murder are NOT okay.

Where is your physics degree or are you just regurgitating nonsense you heard elsewhere like the other Wikipedia PhDs

@@roguespearsf so god picked the least likely values, is that what you're saying? frank doesn't have a physics degree either you twonk. i do have a certification to care for schizophrenics though if you want me to diagnose YOU.

@@roguespearsf "This channel doesn't have any content" why am i not surprised?

@Anon Ymous That’s not true at all. If you can measure the various forces (gravity, cosmological constant, strong/weak nuclear forces, magnetic) and measure how they interact, and you can test them here on Earth, you can then run simulations (calculations) and infer how they would act at the beginning of the universe. If I know with certainty how something acts and the results of how it acts, then I can infer how it would’ve acted in the past. Frank didn’t make up the Fine Tuning argument. Scientists and Mathematicians did. They made the discovery. Frank is just pointing out that there is no satisfactory explanation using material processes only to explain the Fine Tuning. An Intelligent Designer is a much more compelling explanation than Chance

The alternate opinion is the Anthropic principle which states that the universe must be finely tuned to allow life because if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be here to observe it. Which is of course circular logic

He got his masters at 33 don't knkw if he went on

But he can read data from the sharpest human minds like Einstein, Hawking etc.

Doctor of Ministry from Southern Evangelical Seminary (SES)

Dr of fairytales

Turek has no scientific education. They are Creationists, what do you expect?

So, that's what you get out of every meaningful variable in the universe being what it is?

@@ronaldmorgan7632 yes, we are the result of the billions of variables that surround us which makes it completely obvious that they fit us perfectly but that's a rather ridiculous and egocentric view.. the reason why a puddle of water perfectly fits a hole is not because the hole was fine-tuned for it.

Because of gravity, big bangs are happening all the time. No examples of Gods doing the banging.

@@MisterMcKinney and so these other big bangs, what did they create?

@@Vae07 got em

@@Vae07 new universes are being created every second because of these big bangs

@@Vae07 well as no one in this thread seems to understand physics or cosmology i suggest you all shut up and go read some books until you do.

Yeah it's pretty silly

We are the only form of life with any sort of verifiable freewill or conception of our own existence. Aside from the book telling us we are special, it's very clear that there is something special about humanity.

Aside from sinning, what do we do that no other animal does? We create abstractly. We ponder our existence. We have the concept of love. Just a few of many.

No evidence supports any god

Technically not evolution. Natural selection, which allows for the breaking of existing genes for slight adaptations.

@@ronaldmorgan7632 Natural selection is one part of evolution.

In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. Most recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin. 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Perhaps the simulation is what we call reality. Certainly explains why we see what we see, and also implies that there is a creator. Side note: ever notice the first chapter of The Bible says In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Then describes the earth and life in the exact sequence as does modern science. Another coincidence?

@@rhensontollhouse right, gets the order of how the universe works wrong, gets how long it took wrong, gets how humanity started on this planet wrong..... yeah must be a different universe your comic is talking about!

@@deeschoe1245 The Hebrew word day in the Bible can mean 24 hour day, or an age of eons. So each “day” could have been millions or billions of years. Also, about the order, where did you go to school

@@rhensontollhouse Oh you mean the part where light is created before the sun? Along with the plants? Another coincidence, or just bad writing?

I can't imagine the size of his blunts

Why the universe is not fine-tuned for life? Can you give a couple of examples of this?

@@davideassis87 How about the fact that life can't exist in the vast majority of the universe?

@@FreedaPeeple-dj5fy Maybe not life like ours or as we know. I mean, there's A LOT of stuff we didn't discover yet and don't know about yet... so why do believe that what you know so far is enough to explain, prove and disprove everything?

​@@davideassis87Possibility must be demonstrated, not assumed. You claim its possible that life exists in places in the universe which are antithetical to how we understand life to function. Prove it.

@@thejabberwocky2819 And how do you prove things you don't fully understand or even discovered yet? Or you just assume such things are not possible, accept this as a fact and call it a day?

I doubt it as He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN Son for our salvation. He is not a boy playing with action figures.

@@duncanbarnard1832 actually he is like a bad parent. If he can do anything and everything but needed to kill his own child? That’s a crap parent plain and simple. And he is like a child-people didn’t listen to him so he wiped out everything? Yes that’s a child.

@@guyjosephs5654 If you live in Mexico, you live in North America. That doesn't mean that if you live in North America, you live in Mexico. If things that are created have purpose and use, that doesn't mean things that have purpose and use are created. Argument from design and teleological argument that Turek use is non sequitur fallacy.

@@goranmilic442 indeed Turek uses fallacy often seems. I can’t stand how he thinks it’s okay to misrepresent science, scientists and atheists. It’s amazing.

The thing is that 6000 years ago has nothing to do with the Bible. You can't find reference to it anywhere. It's something that someone said once and they were never corrected so they ran with it

Of course...everyone know that beLIEving you are one of the happy fews (he chooses the ones he reveals himself) between the happy fews (made at his image) chosen by an allknowing god is the SUMMIT OF HUMILITY ! XTian hypocrisy at its best !

I actually find it does the opposite.

Science is merely an attempt to describe what we see.

@@ronaldmorgan7632 Science discovers the underlying connections between seemingly separate events.

It makes you nihilistic

So your objection is: “Since the Bible doesn’t talk about the vastness of the cosmos, it must be false and God isn’t real.” Not trying to be rude, but that’s a clear non sequitur. Your conclusion doesn’t follow from your premises: The cosmos is vast, the Bible doesn’t mention the vastness of the cosmos, therefore, God doesn’t exist and the Bible is mythology

I'm sure that would be a very small subset of people.

What a silly statement

You have got to be joking. He and all other apologists use deception and lies to keep the indoctrinated indoctrinated. And when a person is indoctrinated he has been convinced that the use of faith is a virtue and a reliable pathway to truth. All very well when only used in a religious context, but unfortunately many take faith into business, government and education. People are convinced that whatever claim they believe to be true IS true--simply because they have been led to believe it. Apologists are the scourge of the earth and the ROOT of all evil.

He's a liar for religion, he hasn't done any noteworthy work

@@casparuskruger4807 very well said

One day you’ll see the truth. You’ll stand before God and you’ll wish you weren’t decided in this short life you had on earth. Judging from your profile pic, you’ll be there soon. I just hope you don’t burn in hell forever. I’m warning you because I wouldn’t want you to go there.

@@iliaelija7329 another fool who believes in the garbage fear tactics of their death cult. Typical!

Yes! I see flaws everywher! Kids starving, kids with tumors, priests raping kids. Single moms, single dads, Hiv, coronavirus, Trump, the human body, ..... the list is to long, and your magic maker is doing nothing about it, as usual, throughout actual recorded history, not that pathetic Buybull made up history!

THIS^^ is precisely what is wrong with the so called fine tuning argument! It is the egotistical hubris and vanity of people who need to be special creations in order to feel a sense that they might escape death and the loss of all that life is to them. What an extreme failure of logic it is to take a multi-variable function (like the universe) of which only 4% is observable matter and deriving it's "fine-tuned" without knowing anything about how the observable part is affected by that other 96%. Not to throw it back in their faces, but it's like straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel. Dr. Frank Turek says, "there are two options: either nothing made everything or someone made everything" (meanwhile to avoid what I consider an impossibility here I'll just insert this thing I call an impossibility fixer over here outside space and time - completely beyond the reach of any possible verification" WHY? *Because he is not at all concerned with verification that his claims are true.* Let me say that again. He NEEDS this unverifiable impossibility fixer to claim his belief is justified. Color me unimpressed.

Yes, exactly. People think of things backwards. It's like wondering why this river conforms so perfectly with the adjacent highway instead of realizing the highway was built to conform with the river

If you look at it objectively can you really credit one side from the other? If an alien saw nothing but a human and a car, could it really say who was made for which? The car was made to transport the human, or the human was made to operate the car....

@@the-moocow Objectively, the car is an inanimate object with no facilities for "making" anything. Any alien would certainly be able to make such an assessment and easily determine the human built the car.

@@bucmcmaster I think we live in a fine-tuned universe and that the universe itself chose to do that when it initiated The Big Bang. The Universe is eternal and has always had Big Bangs and Big Crunches

Of course that's what you may believe, just nobody can support that position

@James Henry Smith anything can happen in fiction

Wait-2 wouldn’t refute 5?

@@therick363 , let me explain my view. All because something can occur naturally doesn't mean there's no God. It just simply says that things can happen naturally. Or maybe God works through natural processes.

"omnipotence" is in direct contradiction with a "fine tuned" universe. If God is All-Powerful he can create anything he wants to but yet our universe with the "fine-tuning" it has is the only thing that he can "create." So much for an all powerful bearded man in the sky. 🤣 🤣 Sorry for bursting your bubble. I know it must suck.

@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth gotcha. I can respect that. I haven’t had someone admit that much. Good on you.

@@StaticBlaster, ok I see your point. But who says that a "fine-tuned" universe is the only thing he can create? If he is all powerful, then he can create any universe he wants or anything he wants.

That's bad logic. "If the universe collapses in on itself, then life would still occur because evolution." Parameters exist for a reason. Life CANNOT occur just cause evolution. Some planets are just too hostile to life.