"The Force Unleashed is BAD FAN FICTION" DEBUNKED

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J.J. Plagiarisms

J.J. Plagiarisms

5 ай бұрын

Dishonorable shoutout to ‪@jhornacek‬ for forcing me to set the record straight. But special thanks to ‪@saberiandream316‬ for providing me with a transcript of the Force Unleashed Novellisation.
In today's episode of Crappy Arguments, follow JJ as he aggressively disputes all the cliche anti-Force Unleashed arguments in the book, and that includes "How did Starkiller pull down a star destroyer??"'
Game Description
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed is an action-adventure game developed and published by LucasArts, and part of The Force Unleashed multimedia project. It was initially developed for the PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, Wii, and Xbox 360 consoles and on iOS, second-generation N-Gage, Nintendo DS, PlayStation Portable, and Java-equipped mobile phone handhelds. The game was released in North America on September 16, 2008, in Australia and Southeast Asia on September 17, and in Europe on September 19. LucasArts released downloadable content for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 consoles. An Ultimate Sith Edition of the game, containing both new and previously released downloadable content, was released in November 2009, and later ported to the macOS and Microsoft Windows. An enhanced remaster of the Wii version, developed by Aspyr, was released on Nintendo Switch on April 20, 2022.
The project bridges the first two Star Wars trilogies, acting as an origin story for both the united Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Civil War depicted in the original trilogy. The game introduces a new protagonist named "Starkiller", a powerful Force user trained as Darth Vader's secret apprentice, who is tasked with hunting down Jedi survivors of the Great Jedi Purge while trying to keep his existence a secret. However, after he is tasked with planting the seeds of what would become the Rebel Alliance, which Vader plans to take advantage of to overthrow the Emperor, Starkiller begins to question his own morality and to slowly redeem himself. Following the Walt Disney Company's acquisition of Lucasfilm in 2012, the game became part of the non-canonical Star Wars Expanded Universe (also known as Star Wars Legends), and an alternative origin for the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Civil War was given in other forms of Star Wars media, such as Star Wars Rebels.
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed received generally mixed to positive reviews from critics, with praise for its story, voice acting, physics, art and soundtrack, but criticism for its linear gameplay and technical issues. The game was a bestseller in the United States and Australia, with over one million copies sold its debut month. As of February 2010, the game had sold over seven million copies, and was the fastest-selling Star Wars video game of its time. A sequel, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II, was released in October 2010.
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@samwilson2250
@samwilson2250 5 ай бұрын
I remember seeing a short video somewhere, where Sam Witwer explained that the actions and events that happen in the force unleashed game are much like a campfire story/tall tale. Many of the events and actions are exaggerated to give a sense of granduer and awe, while the actual story is much more tame and grounded.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
Yup it goes with the S-canon idea of the games not happening how they were played but the general story and events took place. It's how you can explain a character getting hit with a lightsaber in these games a dozen times and not being mortally wounded and instantly recover from such hits. They pretty much confirmed in the new canon that gameplay footage was canon which creates so many problems because they were asked why they didn't include armor customization in the EA-Front games was because it would "break canon."
@darthprime1990
@darthprime1990 5 ай бұрын
I couldn't have said it better. People comparing Starkiller to Cal Kestis nonsensical, and I still don't get why they would bring up that crap. It's kinda like comparing Luke or Anakin to Rey.
@xxcaptninjaxx4301
@xxcaptninjaxx4301 5 ай бұрын
unfair compare cal kestis to starkiller because starkiller has two games and cal kestis will be getting his own trilogy game to me I just would compare Cal kestis to Kyle katarn more than starkiler.
@PizzaMan879
@PizzaMan879 5 ай бұрын
@@xxcaptninjaxx4301You mean, WILL be getting his own trilogy. The third installment is still in development.
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 5 ай бұрын
@@PizzaMan879 Force Unleashed 3 was shitcanned by Disney themselves.
@PizzaMan879
@PizzaMan879 5 ай бұрын
@@megaman37456 I know, and I’m still tick off about it!😡
@xxcaptninjaxx4301
@xxcaptninjaxx4301 2 ай бұрын
@@PizzaMan879 yes
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
Galen Marek's abilities are actually not that out of ordinary for a Sith Apprentice. Does that fool realize that the gameplay footage and gameplay mechanics are just that? You forgot to bring up the PSP version, which is the same as the PS2 and Wii version.
@PizzaMan879
@PizzaMan879 5 ай бұрын
True, I particularly noticed this in KOTOR during the Korriban segments with some of the Sith students, though I saw them use force drain more commonly than force lightning. Starkiller’s kit is similar minus the force drain (unless we’re counting the drain aura power up, but that’s likely just for gameplay) and stronger force grip, lightning, mind trick (at least in TFU2) and possibly essence transfer if that one guy I heard it from is to be believed.
@jaieregilmore971
@jaieregilmore971 5 ай бұрын
Plus you play as a sith who always keeps testing the limits of the force while the Jedi keep the force under control.
@majora919
@majora919 4 ай бұрын
for a sith apprentice he is very strong, he is probably in the same tier as vader but hes by no means overpowered
@KylePhantomK94
@KylePhantomK94 5 ай бұрын
I think people need to remember the line from Darth Vader in a New Hope: "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet, is insignificant next to the power of the force."
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
People just want the Force to be grounded and boring too much.
@epistemo3442
@epistemo3442 5 ай бұрын
Indeed. The Force is an all-encompassing, transcendent, and immanent energy that determines all of existence.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
Also, Yoda said “Size matters not.” But for some reason a Star Destroyer is too big for some people.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
@@shadowstorm6458 I guess it goes to shows they don't truly know Star Wars and don't pay attention.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@shadowstorm6458 That isn't what that quote means
@micejoint132
@micejoint132 5 ай бұрын
Well his criticism is not even worth taking into account just by the fact that hes uneducated on the EU vader is canonically a pathetic shell of his former self, and palpatine even says this to galen marek in the dark side ending of the game vader is not powerful in the EU and gets his butt kicked by random order 66 survivors frequently. So his idea that "random characters shouldn't beat vader" is just, not true in this context
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 5 ай бұрын
Good Observation!
@albert_01367
@albert_01367 4 ай бұрын
I get what u are saying but its a bit of an overstatement to say that Vader is just completely weak in the EU.
@micejoint132
@micejoint132 4 ай бұрын
@@albert_01367 He isn't complete fodder, that was an exaggeration but he's definitely not as impressive as his new canon self, which is the iteration most people imagine him to be like when it comes to battle prowess
@forbiddenmemez4786
@forbiddenmemez4786 4 ай бұрын
Vader is canonically more powerful than rots anakin in legends. Even obi wan notes this during his final duel with vader on the death star. Vader was beaten early in his career by Jedi, but he was able to overcome his suit's limitations fairly quickly and was able to hold his ground against a group of 8 jedi on kessel, with vader even managing to speed blitz 2 of them at the start of the fight. While he did struggle during that duel this happened about a month after order 66 and it was years before his prime. Part of the reason vader was so weak at the start of the empire was due to him not being accustomed to his suit's limitations and his uncertainty regarding his place in the force. In the novel dark lord the rise of darth vader, we learn how vader was able to let go of his uncertainty following his defeat of roan shryne and was able to tap into the darkside like never before, resulting in a major power boost that even sidious was able to sense it despite being light years away
@micejoint132
@micejoint132 4 ай бұрын
@@forbiddenmemez4786 that can be debunked by holding other statements in that same regard, like vader being a shell of his former self
@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother
@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother 5 ай бұрын
The force unleashed and force unleashed two are banger games and Starkiller is a great character, so is every character in that game Juno Kota proxy they’re all great and in my opinion is way cooler as a promise to set up the creation of the Rebellion instead of andor in this game, Darth Vader is technically responsible for the creation of the rebellion, which is very poetic in my opinion
@QuentinLassiter
@QuentinLassiter 4 ай бұрын
After all these years , people still say Marek pulled a Star Destroyer out of the sky using the force. The Star Destroyer was already crashing and Marek just moved it slightly while having to exhaust himself to do so, and still had to run out the way.
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 3 ай бұрын
I mean, why do you have to excuse it? It’s perfectly in line for any Jedi or Sith to do.
@QuentinLassiter
@QuentinLassiter 3 ай бұрын
@@Brendan-kx8iy can excuse what didn’t happen
@iambrettiam2
@iambrettiam2 2 ай бұрын
It’s not an excuse either, it’s blatantly what happened. Imagine if these people criticizing what they think happened learned about Dorsk 81 pushing a fleet out of the star system.
@iambrettiam2
@iambrettiam2 2 ай бұрын
Also not to mention characters like Sidious, Exar Kun and Nihilus all lifting large star ships up instead of just pulling something down that was already falling.
@OongusBoongus
@OongusBoongus 2 ай бұрын
Not only that but a great and wise Jedi said “Size matters not” so it really wouldn’t matter if he did pull it down or not.
@xxcaptninjaxx4301
@xxcaptninjaxx4301 5 ай бұрын
disney canon is more fan fiction
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Disney is fake news StarWars it does not count as StarWars and people that gobble it up are not StarWars fans.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Tell that to the Andor supporters I've seen lurking around here.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@Czarbucks6146 False, the EU trumps Andor and all of DSW.
@alsimmonshellspawn6021
@alsimmonshellspawn6021 5 ай бұрын
EU haters say that the characters are too OP yet they never read the new hope novel where darth vader say "the ability to destroy a planet or a solar system is insignificant next to the power of the force" alot of filoni faithful do not understand how the force works
@cyberius100
@cyberius100 5 ай бұрын
Thats in the movie too
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
@@cyberius100 They also ignored that too.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
They all literally have this head canon where they want the Force to be way too grounded and boring.
@epistemo3442
@epistemo3442 5 ай бұрын
Yeah. I don't get the entire "Way too OP!!!!" Argument considering that the Force is an omnipresent energy that sustains everything.
@alsimmonshellspawn6021
@alsimmonshellspawn6021 5 ай бұрын
@ironinquisitor3656 true it was much more fun before Disney came in
@jaieregilmore971
@jaieregilmore971 5 ай бұрын
I prefer Starkiller story over rebels and how his family crest use as a symbol for the rebellion.
@alsimmonshellspawn6021
@alsimmonshellspawn6021 5 ай бұрын
Galen marak struggled with force sight because he wasn't trained as a full sith or jedi he was more like an assassin
@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937
@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937 4 ай бұрын
Starkiller was the greatest late 2000s edge star wars character ever
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
I mean that is very specific lol
@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937
@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 he was cool when I was ten and he's still cool now
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 He's still one of the best characters in the EU, and that's saying something when you have the likes of Captain Fordo, Revan, Mara Jade, and so on.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome Eh....I dunno about that one chief
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@sedsitametadinterreteliber2937 fair
@maxmaple3520
@maxmaple3520 5 ай бұрын
Why do people like sequel fans, prequel haters, and eu haters exist?
@PizzaMan879
@PizzaMan879 5 ай бұрын
Because we live in a society.🤡
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Because they are all fake fans and we need to gatekeep them out.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Because they are losers who need to be gatekept.
@LogicalSkeptic
@LogicalSkeptic 5 ай бұрын
They're also the same crackheads to say ESB is the only good OT movie.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
because people with diffferent opinions exist
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
Dudes will litterally talk smack about Starkiller fighting vader but they'll defend Rey being "trained" by Luke.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
They are fake fans and only like Rey because that's as close to a female they'll ever get.
@ekaf1735
@ekaf1735 4 ай бұрын
Not true. People talk smack about them both. They are the same sh*t. Starkiller is a little more interesting but not much
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@ekaf1735 Starkiller and Rey are nothing alike. Starkiller's story makes much more sense than Rey's.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@Czarbucks6146 Starkiller is nowhere near Rey. Starkiller is not a Gary Stu, or did you forget Vader put him in a coma for six months and almost killed him on Corellia?
@TempoTronica
@TempoTronica 5 ай бұрын
"You have defeated an old man and an outcast." ~darth Vader
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
It’s always funny how people hate on Starkiller for being “OP” and yet they love Grandmaster Luke, Darth Nihilus, Kyp Durron, Darth Vitiate, and a bunch of other legends characters that have done things that put the Star destroyer feat to shame.
@jaieregilmore971
@jaieregilmore971 5 ай бұрын
So pretty much the force is op.
@tornadic_brigadier7868
@tornadic_brigadier7868 5 ай бұрын
You also have super nova detonation ritual via Sith sorcery in Tales of the Jedi and no one complains about that feat
@user-dl6sk1pn5d
@user-dl6sk1pn5d 5 ай бұрын
That's because they're ignorant morons who only know about Starkiller/Galen from KZfaqrs claiming hes too OP, or they themselves don't know jack about how powerful Legends characters are.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Hey, looks that guy you've been debunking is starting to spread across this comment section. Need some help?
@forbiddenmemez4786
@forbiddenmemez4786 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-dl6sk1pn5dGalen beating vader and palpatine back to back is just overboard. Characters like revan, vitiate and luke are stronger but they are portrayed in a more grounded manner than starkiller is. Grand master luke skywalker is extremely powerful, but he doesn't just wreck everyone he goes up against , like galen marek in the force unleashed game. Luke is still challenged to some degree by lumiya, a less powerful, but extremely skilled opponent.
@clonecamando9
@clonecamando9 5 ай бұрын
Its the same with the movies too. The better story with greater context is always in the books. The Movies and games (that at least have novelizations on the games part) are just entertaining spectacle by comparison, especially the case with most Expanded Universe stories
@rebirth5362
@rebirth5362 5 ай бұрын
I don't get it, why Starkiller being "OP" would be a bad thing? He is an apprentice to Vader who was trained for about a decade and was selected for his strength in the Force. Vader is a apprentice to Palpatine, the most powerful Sith ever, and is stated to be 80% as powerful as him. We know ancient Sith Lords have been able to destroy planets and stars, so there is no reason why Starkiller shouldn't be a literal star-killer. You shouldn't downgrade characters for no reason, otherwise you make your setting both boring and nonsensical.
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 5 ай бұрын
How else are they supposed to downplay Star Wars so that real life or halo characters can kill it with ease?
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 5 ай бұрын
@@Brendan-kx8iy My guy, don't knock on Chief. Chief is no force adept, but he's his own level of "menace"
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 5 ай бұрын
@@megaman37456 I’m not, in fact some may say I overestimate his strength and speed by calling him a city level and Hypersonic+ character in terms of physical stats. Although both are feasible if you go with the absolute high ends. Problem is Jedi and Sith are far above that with casual light timing speed feats for even sub Padawan augmented beings like Royal guards and Continental AP for the weakest force users.
@dancorneanu9144
@dancorneanu9144 5 ай бұрын
It's a defense they made for Rey. Compare her to Luke, Anakin or Starkiller, so she won't be called the Sue of all Sues.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
Yes there is, and it is pretty fricking obvious. Starkiller isn't an ancient Sith lord, nor does he have the training to do the stuff you described. Also, said ancient sith lords used magicks and stuff to help them usually, and it happened so long ago that said power is plausible within the setting. Starkiller is doing all this shit in the movie era of Star Wars. There should not be some ridiculously OP character charging around the place in this era, and if you don't get that then you are just proving the Disney stans correct, which is a bad look
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 5 ай бұрын
Fun fact: George Lucas prefers TFU's version of the origin of the Rebel Alliance over what we see in Rebels.
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 5 ай бұрын
Well no shit, he helped write it.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
@@megaman37456 Yeah he literally co-wrote it with Hayden Blackman.
@tyrannozilla
@tyrannozilla 5 ай бұрын
Clone Commando: "That's the way it's done!"
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 5 ай бұрын
@@megaman37456 He did? I always thought he simply gave Blackman his blessing after he pitched the project to him.
@jamesrogers5184
@jamesrogers5184 5 ай бұрын
LETS GOOO!!!!!
@Hewhodoesthemachines
@Hewhodoesthemachines 5 ай бұрын
Have you noticed how Jedi and Darkside uses have become a lot weaker since Disney have taken over
@tyrannozilla
@tyrannozilla 5 ай бұрын
That's an understatement. Even their lightsabers act more like those $5.00 knockoff toys at Wal-Mart.
@Hewhodoesthemachines
@Hewhodoesthemachines 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, it wasn’t just me That’s why I haven’t replayed jedi fallen order. I don’t find the game replayable
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
​@@Hewhodoesthemachinessame. I want to give fallen order and survivor a chance but i might just skip the first one for pacing reasons.
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
I think the reason force feats are smaller scale in disney star wars is because of the "everything is canon" mentality. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FORCED TOGETHER!!
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
​@@josesosa3337That and wanting to "ground" the Force and making everyone potentially able to harness it.
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 5 ай бұрын
Gonna be honest, eu had so much great content. Im sad to hear SWTOR is the only eu content still being updated.
@cyberius100
@cyberius100 5 ай бұрын
It isn't anymore
@aaronlaughter6471
@aaronlaughter6471 5 ай бұрын
@cyberius100 it is. There is a new update coming out soon. It's a small one, but it's an update.
@xxcaptninjaxx4301
@xxcaptninjaxx4301 5 ай бұрын
that why EU is better than Disney canon
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
I've long stopped trying to reason with fools, their beliefs are too ingrained and have been so for too long. But God forbid you touch Grogu, Ahsoka, Sabine or Ezra.... Edit : It's the third time I'm trying to post this comment, and it keeps getting deleted/shadowbanned
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
That's poochute tube for you. Just hit them with the #Triggered or #fakefan, and if they respond do it again. Gatekeep those fools out of the fandom.
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
It happens to me all the time too. I think the issue is with KZfaq and that you're not being targeted for your opinions.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@Czarbucks6146 We'll acknowledge when something gokd comes along... Just as soon as Disney actually makes something of good quality.
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 2 ай бұрын
@@Czarbucks6146 "Their little bubble" ? WTF are you on about ? Name one "good" thing that came out of Disney as of recent, instead of just going "No U". Perhaps you can't fathom the idea that EU fans have higher standards than the Dee Bradley Baker show, bored ladies with crossed arms, or an overrated pedestrian attempt at a spy thriller, with the same tired OT visuals.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@Czarbucks6146 Disney shill confirmed. Now we know not to take anything you say seriously.
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 5 ай бұрын
This jhornacek guy seems to be delusional!
@user-tu5ri6ik2f
@user-tu5ri6ik2f 5 ай бұрын
The Foce Unleashed is George Lucas' idea.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
George Lucas literally co-wrote the game's screenplay together with Hayden Blackman.
@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother
@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother 5 ай бұрын
So was Asoka
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 5 ай бұрын
From what I understand, the main character was originally going to be a Wookiee but George Lucas didn’t like the idea of a main character that doesn’t talk, so Lucasarts changed it.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
@@Wade_Tyler George that that having protagonist that didn't speak something players would understand wouldn't work for story and character development.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
@@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother Except unlike Ahsoka, it and everything surrounding it fit into Star Wars.
@bloodysimile4893
@bloodysimile4893 5 ай бұрын
The duel between Vader and Starkiller was set up by Sidious, much like Anakin vs Dooku in espiode 3 and 2nd duel between Luke vs Vader. Dooku was old and Anakin was now experienced and tapping into the dark side. Vader was holding back and emotion tore up in 6 fighting Luke. Heck the whole Sith order involves the apprentice learning everything of the master including their weaknesses to kill them.
@ivanthehighman177
@ivanthehighman177 5 ай бұрын
3:53 I honestly think he could seeing how Nihilius legit controlled a whole dead fleet with the force. Skywalker (though he was amp by Mace and Kenobi) pulled a ship out of hyperspace, and Luke (amped by his students) were able to take down an SSD.
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 5 ай бұрын
I also want to point out how Darth Nihilus was a commentary on how raw power doesn't always equal strength. Nihilus could do incredible things, but he was a slave to his hunger, and he had to use his power for that specifically. There was a drawback.
@ivanthehighman177
@ivanthehighman177 5 ай бұрын
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Agreed, but still doesn't negate the point that starkiller had no reason to not have the ability to pull down an ISD
@funnelvortex7722
@funnelvortex7722 5 ай бұрын
I also want to point out when it came to Luke's students defeating an imperial fleet with the Force it literally required their strongest member to use up all of his living force causing him to die right afterwards. The big feats in the EU were not something force users could do all willy nilly in any context.
@ivanthehighman177
@ivanthehighman177 5 ай бұрын
@@funnelvortex7722 true
@jaxxpool9630
@jaxxpool9630 5 ай бұрын
Even though I haven't read the novel, I can see why it's the more canonical version of The Force Unleashed as it portrays the events more realistically that the game. But despite that, The Force Unleashed is still my favorite Star Wars game of all time no matter its inconsistencies and labeling it as bad fanfiction is really unfitting.....Besides the fact that I can think of a certain recent DC video game that fits much more as poorly written fanfiction....
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
So i double checked my imperial commando copy from 2009, and in the legends timeline the force unleashed novels are listed. Im curious about the differences that the 2nd novel is sure to have. It would be cool if you talk about the 2nd novel as well. Edit: In case anyone is confused, pre disney eu novels came with a timeline in relation to the movies and other novels.
@BenthewildchildE750
@BenthewildchildE750 4 ай бұрын
The force unleashed is literally the epitome of the line: “you underestimate the power of the force.” Which was a line from a new Hope.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 5 ай бұрын
Everyone is exaggerated in the game, much like the 2003 Clone Wars Microseries, so I’m okay with it. The novels are what’s truly canon to the old EU and is more believable while still having Starkiller being a powerful badass.
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
The game was the main aspect of the Force Unleashed project so that version trumps everything else. Also, it's Star Wars, it doesn't have to be believable.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 4 ай бұрын
@@Azure_Fire It was the most mainstream thing, but it’s also not the “official story” in EU canon. Much like how the Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight game was the main thing, but the “official story” is the trilogy of of novellas (and the audiobooks adapted from them) written from the game. The books are the first inclusions of things like the Battle of Ruusan and the Thought Bomb that killed the Brotherhood of Darkness and the Army of Light, etc. that the game didn’t really go into detail of (it just mentions that the souls of thousands of Jedi are trapped in the Valley of the Jedi). Games do have their limitations on how much story they can tell, so often the “official story” are the novels that can go into more detail. The games are still the most mainstream and enjoyable, I agree.
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
@@gameragodzilla you’re being too rigid on this. It’s literally the same story just told a little differently across mediums.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@Azure_Fire Except the novelization is the most plausible to exist within the EU. We're not being rigid, we're being reasonable.
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome Who cares how "plausible" something is. It's supposed to be a power fantasy for the player. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like the video game version of Starkiller is the most powerful Force user in Legends.
@lukescrew1981
@lukescrew1981 5 ай бұрын
Starkiller is still better than Ahsoka
@Hewhodoesthemachines
@Hewhodoesthemachines 5 ай бұрын
She doesn’t even make sense she’s just a really bad recon because Anakin is unstable that’s not someone that should have an Padawan
@MoodKapProductions
@MoodKapProductions 5 ай бұрын
Unlike her, Starkiller actually fits into the story
@darthlucasfuu
@darthlucasfuu 5 ай бұрын
He always was!
@darthprime1990
@darthprime1990 5 ай бұрын
Unlike Ahsoka, Starkiller was more of a servant to Vader than a friend. Plus, he didn't overstay his welcome.
@person3405
@person3405 5 ай бұрын
Thats not saying much
@ximthedespot4673
@ximthedespot4673 5 ай бұрын
Any ill will I have towards the Force Unleashed comes entirely from me playing the Nintendo DS port of the game.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Try out the PSP port or Wii port or the Nintendo switch port, even PC port. PSP I hear is the most definitively way to play the force unleashed due to all the game modes. At least you didn't play the java port. Flandrew has a video covering all the force unleashed ports.
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd 5 ай бұрын
Its easy for Starkiller to defeat Vader because Vader trained him so StarKiller would know his fighting style and as you said, use his brain to mess with Vader head, kinda like what Luke did getting him conflicted. Jedi, like Cal, wouldn't defeat have a chance at defeating him because they know nothing about him, and Vader can counter any Jedi fighting style.
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 5 ай бұрын
and because vader is vastly out of his prime. ROTJ Vader would just speedblitz and one shot any of his prior foes. Cal also wouldnt be able to beat even this Vader because of the sheer stat advantage. even Cin Drallig, let alone starkiller who nearly dies to shaak ti, wouldnt stand much of a chance against ROTJ Vader. Starkiller dies in an instant.
@MoodKapProductions
@MoodKapProductions 5 ай бұрын
People complaining about Force Unleashed for it's exaggerated use of the force always bothers me. The force is exaggerated in most games for the sake of exciting gameplay such as the original and remake of battlefront 2 where the heroes can throw their light sabers like Boomerangs or the Revenge of the Sith game that has a boss fight against Mace Windu.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
This is exactly the same argument Filoni stans use to defend his use of plot armour. Yes, the rest of SW media also uses it, but he uses it *too much,* just like TFU. Now, TFU is fine *as a game,* my one and only problem is it being considered canon. It should not be canon whatsoever.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 The novel showcases the events as they happened you moron. The game is just an overexaggeration. I swear, have you not listened to what we have been telling you?
@MoodKapProductions
@MoodKapProductions 4 ай бұрын
​@@tk-6967there is a difference between criticizing a game and a show. With shows you typically just have to worry about the writing, production, and acting. Games have to worry about that and actually being fun to play. More examples of games exaggerating details are with how the lightsabers don't dismember enemies, how enemies can survive more than one hit from a lightsaber, or how players recover health via pick-up.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 4 ай бұрын
@@MoodKapProductions Like I just said before, TFU has the exact same problem as Filoni's use of plot armour. What they do is fine in moderation, I am not suggesting that TFU needs to be hyper realistic nor that Filoni should just remove plot armour altogether. Instead, I am saying is that they need to have far less of it. Filoni's heavy usage of plot armour is downright ridiculous, as are the powers Starkiller has in TFU. Sure, Starkiller shouldn't necessarily find it too difficult to dispatch enemies, but he shouldn't be obliterating hordes stormtroopers like it is nothing. Also, both Filoni and the TFU writers clearly disrespected the Empire in their respective 'lore's
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 TFU is just like any other EU Star Wars project, action, spectacle and a solid story. Quit your crying. How the heck did the writer's of TFU disrespect the Empire? Starkiller is trained to be a weapon, a tool. So it makes sense he can blitz through enemies like paper.
@SonicVegeta
@SonicVegeta 3 ай бұрын
Here’s an idea for a crappy arguments, “A Lightsaber being a Jedi’s life is stupid, Lightsabers are just a tool and nothing more” that is a really stupid argument in my opinion
@saberiandream316
@saberiandream316 5 ай бұрын
I was happy to provide the doc for the novel!
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
So glad i found your channel.
@socialaccount0000
@socialaccount0000 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, Marek's strength in the force is only above average. In the EU, Jedi and Sith go crazy. There's jedi masters who can contain planet-busting explosions, Sith who can drain entire planets, and Palpatine himself who can conjure a force storm that destroys an entire republic fleet. If anything, Starkiller merely steering a Star Destroyer *that was already falling* is actually pretty plausible considering the higher end scaling. They could've made Starkiller *even stronger* but they kept him at the power level he was on purpose, able to beat rusty Jedi Masters but isn't anywhere near the likes of Yoda, Palpatine, etc.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 16 күн бұрын
People complain about that stuff in the eu too tbh
@CleverGirlAAH
@CleverGirlAAH 5 ай бұрын
People need to realize the games are meant to be fun to play... So the characters need to be OP. That's why it's BAAAAD when you put these characters into movies and shows and junk... We know what they were capable of doing in their respective format...
@rileyleviner6828
@rileyleviner6828 14 күн бұрын
It really bothers me the amount of people who see a character like this and write it off as bad without even playing the game. Regardless of canon if you PLAYED THE GAME you cam see why people WOULD like to see him canon. Literally i played TFU 1 and 2 and had a blast as a kid, i couldnt even get passed the first like 2 hours of gameplay of fallen order.
@darthlucasfuu
@darthlucasfuu 5 ай бұрын
Another thing about these overexagerated criticizm made by EU haters: They really though that the Dark Side endings counts as part of the EU continuity, unnironically... In every single video about the bad ending DLCs, you'll find a comment like like that: "Hurr durr That's why Force Unleashed was never canon!! Lol lol"
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 5 ай бұрын
Media literacy needs to be taught in school. Games are allowed to be games since its almost always impossible to translate gameplay into a story. In universe characters dont have a health bar for example. I think legends haters are like this because they're spoiled by multiple series having the same level of canonicity which isnt how a healthy expanded universe should function. Having one novel to stream line and explain star killers story is very important. Great comment.
@dancorneanu9144
@dancorneanu9144 5 ай бұрын
It's a thing for those who don't get RPG and game elements. Games confer the player specific avenues to dictate what's happening. Or understand. There is no health bars, no game gliches, no multy endings or second chances.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@josesosa3337 It should be but for games the gameplay is still meant to be taken literally. But they can take more then one hit usually. But it isn`t even the source material though. By that logic you could use that same argument for the sequels too.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 No, it is not. Gameplay is never meant to be taken seriously when you are talking about a videogame. And stormtroopers cannot take more than one hit FROM A LIGHTSABER. Except the sequels are so bad not even the novels could save them.
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd 2 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 No its not, what your implying is that what literally happen in G canon is that every character has power ups, can glitch out, can spawn after they die, have health bars, and little bright orbs appear out of an enemy after they died to heal you and the corpses of enemies that you killed disappear.
@kevfilms2x2
@kevfilms2x2 5 ай бұрын
Also “Who in the hell has talked crapped about TFU as a game?” HelloGreedo.
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 5 ай бұрын
Jedi, Sith and augmented beings in Star Wars having MFTL feats and Multi Continental feats already invalidate a lot of their takes about Starkiller being OP when he’s just visually as impressive as force users should be. In fact, I don’t even notice half the shit he does any more and just treat it as the way it should be treated, how force users ought to be portrayed if the writer wants to bring them any sort of justice.
@epistemo3442
@epistemo3442 5 ай бұрын
True. I don't get the whole Starkiller is way too OP!!!! Argument. There's like a ton different feats that whatever Starkiller was doing actually something that most Jedi or Sith could do as opposed to it being something that is extremely rare.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
​@@epistemo3442Tulak Horde had a feat of pulling down a starship from out of space. One of Starkillers costumes is modelled after tulak hordes armour.
@epistemo3442
@epistemo3442 5 ай бұрын
@@Do_not_at_me_bro There's also Darth Nihilus Telekinetically moving and holding his capital ship, the Ravager, 24/7 up until his death. Reminder that the ship is meant to be severely damaged and shouldn't even function. Yet Darth Nihilus made that ship function. Starkiller's feat with the Star Destroyer is baby stuff with what Nihilus did.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
@@epistemo3442 I need to do a full playthrough of Kotor 2 sometime. I played through the first one on an old macbook and that took me hours to get through. I have a better PC now.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 16 күн бұрын
@@Brendan-kx8iy most people don’t know about the insane EU stuff
@joeypieper6384
@joeypieper6384 5 ай бұрын
Debunk Marcia Lucas being the reason the OT worked next!
@clonetrooper2003
@clonetrooper2003 5 ай бұрын
Plz
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 4 ай бұрын
Nerdonymous has already done that. Paste this in the KZfaq search bar: How " How StarWars Was Saved in the Edit" Was Saved in the Edit
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
One of the greatest videogames in Star Wars history! Figures plenty of fake fans would cry over it.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
Forcewave of all shills of course was spreading disinformation about the Force Unleashed on his channel.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@ironinquisitor3656 Ah yes, your archenemy. Figures he would be the cause of all of it.
@Thelordofhate
@Thelordofhate 5 ай бұрын
@@ironinquisitor3656 oh anything but the cluster of cells and pure soy that calls its self force weave
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
@@Thelordofhate Yeah it's why I call him Cuckwave.
@darth914
@darth914 5 ай бұрын
Quite the excellent game
@NurseAmamiya
@NurseAmamiya 5 ай бұрын
Starkiller isn't badly written. He was just born in the wrong era, about 4000 years late. Had he been born during the Old Republic, he would've fit right in. But in og trilogy, prequels and sequels, he'll be too much to handle for everyone.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Starkiller has a fighting style like Revan, find a weakness and exploit it. He is no Tulak Horde, who pulled a massive ship out of the sky.
@loganveracruz6328
@loganveracruz6328 5 ай бұрын
Starkiller shouldn't exist period.
@jamesrogers5184
@jamesrogers5184 5 ай бұрын
@@loganveracruz6328 he has more of a reason to exist than the sequels.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@loganveracruz6328 Correction: Ahsoka shouldn't exist period.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
@@jamesrogers5184 As well as TCW, TBB, Andor, Rogue One, etc.
@majortughjedi9813
@majortughjedi9813 25 күн бұрын
People like to say Galen Marek is op but literally every force user in Legends has feats that overtake what we see in the game
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 25 күн бұрын
Slight correction: It's proper name is the Expanded Universe.
@majortughjedi9813
@majortughjedi9813 25 күн бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome Expanded Universe or as I like to refer to it. The true canon
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 23 күн бұрын
@@majortughjedi9813 Amen, brother. But we don't call it Legends.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 16 күн бұрын
@@majortughjedi9813 people don’t like to read. Anyway Galen is a better character then Revan lol
@majortughjedi9813
@majortughjedi9813 16 күн бұрын
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Pretty much, it baffles me how much of the star wars community literally refuses to pick up a book or comic.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
I've never played The Force Unleashed, but yeah, the dude you were arguing with had shitty arguments.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Play the Force Unleashed. DEW IT.
@tornadic_brigadier7868
@tornadic_brigadier7868 5 ай бұрын
I am tired of these misconceptions too. But you got to wonder what was the origins of these misconceptions. Even though I like the Jedi series, I have a hunch that they have a hand in these misconceptions because the gameplay is more “realistic” according some people.
@ekaf1735
@ekaf1735 4 ай бұрын
Oh, finally we found the devils. People can't have different opinions about Starkiller. They just can't. Every person in the world is obligated to worship him. It's just that some evil people are brainwashing them. Congrats, it really really makes sense /s
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@ekaf1735 No, it's that if you are going to criticize Starkiller, you need some actual arguments. But people like you have none, you just whine and cry and nitpick. #FakeFan
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 3 ай бұрын
There’s nothing realistic about having superpowers to begin with, so it shouldn’t have to be “grounded” which is basically synonymous for weak enough so that the superpower is so worthless an average human can beat your ass anyways.
@geek8555
@geek8555 5 ай бұрын
The funny thing is these people act like it's nonsense for starkiller to pull a star destroyer down, yet make excuses for rey.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Tulak Horde is capable of pulling down a star destroyer, Starkiller struggled to correct the course of a star destroyer already falling out from the sky
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
I get your point though
@jacobj3933
@jacobj3933 2 ай бұрын
I was young when I got the game years ago, so after all these years I thought it was just its own self contained story. I didn't care about how extravagant/over the top the lightsaber duels and force abilities were. Including the whole beating Vader part. It was a great game that told a fun story.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 16 күн бұрын
People complain about Starkiller but Revan is for some reason fine lol
@bardofthecollegeoftalltale6895
@bardofthecollegeoftalltale6895 4 ай бұрын
I am going to read the book, but I still love OP Starkiller
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 3 ай бұрын
Well you don’t have to worry cause he’s literally the exact same. Starkiller isn’t visually OP whatsoever, he’s underwhelming if anything considering even average Jedi and Sith are light speed and continent level+.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
Whoever loves the jedi cal cestis games and rebels is a fake fan, true fans praise the novelisation of The Force Unleashed.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Facts my man!
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
None of that. If you like Star Wars then you like Star Wars. End of discussion.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@Azure_Fire Nope. If you like Disney Star Wars, you are a fake fan. Simple as that.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@Azure_Fire Except Disney Star Wars is not Star Wars.
@Azure_Fire
@Azure_Fire 4 ай бұрын
@ntheAwesome Yeah well I say if someone likes Disney Star Wars then they can be a Star Wars fan too. I can gatekeep too y'know. I have a feeling that I could match you or anyone else here in terms of lore knowledge. Tenebrae says hi by the way.
@Alexzander1989
@Alexzander1989 5 ай бұрын
My only real issue with The Force Unleashed is that Starkiller essentially began the Rebel Alliance. We already know that Bail was planning that rebellion since the declaration of the Empire. Honestly I would just change it to where Starkiller is tasked with infiltrating the Rebel Alliance instead of essentially starting it
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 5 ай бұрын
That's actually not a bad idea there.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
I mean he didn’t really start the Rebel Alliance. Sure, he was a big help in getting it started, but he only really sped up the process of what was already happening. Ultimately it was still Bail, Mon Mothma, Garm Bel Iblis and the signing of the Corellian Treaty that started the alliance officially, not Starkiller. His only lasting contribution to the cause was his family crest that was used as a symbol, but that was done after his death. Nothing in TFU contradicts how the alliance was described being formed as described in Rebel Dawn, Dark Force Rising and even the OT. Bail planned the alliance, but it didn’t come to pass until 2 BBY. The rebellion itself before the alliance formed was actually happening way before with several rebel cells, like the Atrivis Resistance group.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@shadowstorm6458 But he still basically helped found it...he should be a legend honestly who died so it can thrive. But logically he should have been mentioned before tbh.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 And he is, hence why they use his symbol. But there is no reason for anyone to bring up his story in later EU material. Not really.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 Ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome There is and in earlier material, he is legendary and would be talked about. Yes really.
@brianjordan3841
@brianjordan3841 5 ай бұрын
Or Luke who saw the man within the machine his own father
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 4 ай бұрын
I just had a thought; this game has Palpatine know that Bail Organa is a rebel before A New Hope. Doesn't that mean it can't be canon for the same reason Kenobi can't be canon? I mean, I WANT it to be the story, but that seems like a glaring oversight.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
Chances are Palpatine didn't know prior to TFU, but strongly suspected it and wanted to catch him doing something treacherous. Because keep in mind Palpatine and Vader didn't know Leia was an undercover Rebel until right around ANH.
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 3 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome that's not exactly what I was getting at. A New Hope implies that Bail is still in a position of power on Alderaan. This would most likely not be the case if Palpatine or Vader knew he was a founder of the Rebellion, which both this game and the Kenobi show have happen. Granted, this game is far better, and it makes me want to overlook that flaw, but it's still extremely glaring.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@mr.barcode3186 Way I see it, the galaxy at large didn't know that Bail was part of the Rebellion, and Palpatine couldn't very well destroy Bail at this time, given that the Death Star wasn't complete yet. He didn't want to destroy Bail and risk giving the Rebellion more sympathy and support.
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 3 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome good point. And if anything, that might explain why Palpatine would be OK with such an important Core World like Alderaan being annihilated.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@mr.barcode3186 Remember, Palpatine still had the Imperial Senate to worry about until the Death Star's completion. With the Death Star he would have absolute power and no one could challenge him.
@newdriver9800
@newdriver9800 6 күн бұрын
I’ve played the game and it’s very janky, you Frequently lock on to the wrong object. The auto-aim messes up frequently too. Vader creating the Rebel Alliance is also pretty dumb
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
I've long stopped trying to argue with these drones, the drivel they believe in is too ingrained for a long time. But God forbid you badmouth Grogu, Ahsoka, Sabine or Ezra....
@yoyoyiggityyo16
@yoyoyiggityyo16 5 ай бұрын
😀
@colbyentzminger217
@colbyentzminger217 5 ай бұрын
My big issue with the game is that Bail organa is seen by Vader to be in open rebellion, throwing a huge wrench in the defense of Leia organa in the beginning of episode 4. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sNuHfNJ5qZOngIE.htmlsi=hkqW06g96cW7nuZX
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
It was possibly a way of stalling so the droids could get off the Tantive IV.
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd 2 ай бұрын
From watching A New Hope Radio Drama I chalk it up to Bail hiding under diplomatic immunity and also was too popular for Palpatine to do anything out in the open, except wait for Bail to break his diplomatic immunity.
@colbyentzminger217
@colbyentzminger217 Ай бұрын
@@TK-wk6xd Except for the fact he openly declared war with Palpatine present.
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd Ай бұрын
@colbyentzminger217 Openly, he didn't do it openly. He did it on a secret battle station that isn't even fully operational. Do that, and you risk him spilling a secret out to the public that the Empire is constructing a secret super weapon before it's even complete, the empire would lose more systems. No, it's easier for Palpatine to keep an eye on him until the battle station is ready, then deal with him
@vandeheyeric
@vandeheyeric 27 күн бұрын
@@colbyentzminger217 A lot of things happened with Palpatine present that the wider galaxy didn't or wouldn't know about, starting with the fact that the Emperor was using Force Powers and was a Dark Jedi. That doesn't mean it was in ANYBODY'S best interest (either the Rebels or the Emperor) to let that leak. So after the Rebels escaped both the Emperor and Organa probably went back to the Senate to glare at each other and try to outlast the other while out-maneuvering one another, precisely because like TK-wk6xd said Bail didn't have the power to defeat Palpatine yet but Palpatine figured actiing too brashly against the Orrganas without justification would backfire.
@majora919
@majora919 4 ай бұрын
i mean you can take everything in the force unleashed literally and its honestly not that crazy at all, there are certainly still stronger characters even if we take the gameplay as how strong he actually is
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 3 ай бұрын
The gameplay is below average for any Jedi or Sith honestly.
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 5 ай бұрын
The absolute worst thing about this game is that it's the earliest instance I know of where someone survives being stabbed with a lightsaber. That's a no-no in my eyes. (As is surviving the vacuum of space, but that's slightly less implausible.)
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
Starkiller was stabbed in the stomach, not the chest like Reva. And Starkiller got medical attention almost immediately after, whereas Reva didn't. Heck, we still don't know how she got off that planet.
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome I was actually thinking of Sabine in Ahsoka first and foremost. She got medical attention, and I still thought that was stupid. Maybe I’d be more forgiving if there was more of an explanation as to how Starkiller’s innards were “rebuilt” as Vader put it, but I dunno.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@mr.barcode3186 Sabine was stupid because she was stabbed in the chest and yet her side is where the wound showed up. Possibly cybernetics, like what happened with Lumiya.
@OongusBoongus
@OongusBoongus 2 ай бұрын
Star killer is still canon imo idc what Disney says Star killer will always be Vader’s secret apprentice unseen and unknown
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@DrD00M3
@DrD00M3 5 ай бұрын
Darth Vader is supposed to be cold and calculated i personally don't like him giving into his emotions Thats something Anakin would do
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 5 ай бұрын
Strong disagree. Vader is often overruled by his emotions, which results in him killing his subordinates for flimsy reasons for example. He has internalized rage at both himself and the world around him.
@DrD00M3
@DrD00M3 5 ай бұрын
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I personally never saw Vader like that I understand what you mean but I prefer him as the cold blooded calculated machine he doesn't lose his cool and is practical due to maturing in age and he has responsibilities that require people respect him without him throwing tantrums like kylo ren
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@DrD00M3 Vader has learned to internalize his anger. But that doesn't mean he still doesn't give in to emotion. It's part of why he wanted to turn Luke to the Dark Side and rule the galaxy with him, because in a way he loves Luke.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 He is ruled by emotions but he isn`t purely that or stupid. Like he would learn from his mistakes more then Maul would for example.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 It's still his weakness. While Vader isn't a mindless killing machine, he is prone to fits of anger, although he handles it better than Vader-wannabe Kylo Ren.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
Ok honestly....it still feels like fanfic and doesn`t make sense, obviously Starkiller would be stronger then Cal Kestis but it doesn`t excuse him not only beating Vader but even giving Palpatine a good fight for a bit and how Palpatine wanted him to replace Vader which is just insulting to Vader that this random kid can just replace him. Also I mean...storywise it was kinda meant to be canonical and people argue that Starkiller seems more to fit canon then Ahsoka does, so him bringing down the Star Destroyer and everything he does would be canon then going by that argument. You call it annoying when people take it literally when it was kinda meant to be canon. Also no a noveliation will never be on equal footing of what it is based on, yes both are part of the expanded universe but the game itself is the original source material and the very cover of the book says that with it "based on the new thrilling video game from Lucasarts". Was the forced unleashed a real multi media project? I mean there are different versions of the game but many games do that. A novel tie in is cool but I don`t think that alone makes it a full on multi media project. I mean are all the prequel films multi media projects too? Well that is more likely since they all had games and novels too. So that argument really isn`t stupid and again the games were meant to be taken literally as a story. Again it being a multimedia project does not even seem like an official fact. He barely did that true and while it was already falling he could still likely do that if it was just staying in the air too, and yeah Yoda and Palpatine would obviously do better and so should many others, someone like him with only his experience shouldn`t be able to do that, in comparison I doubt any version of Obi-Wan or Qui Gon could do that even the more experienced versions or at least do better then Starkiller....even Qui-Gon who discovered what basically led to force ghosts in Star Wars. So no at best he did adjust it and still pulled it down. I could see Starkiller taunting Vader but I`m not sure how much that would help....cuz like Ahsoka did the same thing and used that to beat Maul but you don`t think she deserved to win either. Also Vader isn`t stupid, he does use his head at times even if he is a agent of hate. I will read the novel though eventually, it sounds better.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
And the insanity begins!
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome ok
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 Face the facts, you are once again wrong.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome uh huh sure /s
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 Just give the EU a chance dude. And you'll see what we are talking about.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 ай бұрын
Nah considering how Starkiller is a edgy Gary Stu who frankly is more important to the overall plot of Star Wars then he should be...(seriously being Vader`s apprentice AND having a large role in the history of the founding of the rebellion too? Fuck that noise) Those who are critical about the game and think about the story aren`t stupid at all. Yeah he did pull down and guide a star destroyer because he is so powerful and godlike, it`s not just gameplay gimmicks it`s canon too. No how the gameplay fuctions is canonical. How is it annoying that people take it literally? It tells a story and what it shows should be taken literally. No the game is more canon then the novelization version. They aren`t really on equal footing since yes both are part of the EU but the game is the original version and the novel is just a adaptation of it so the source version would be more canon still. It doesn`t have exaggerated gameplay and is mostly canonical (aside from some DLC obviously) The novel doesn`t actualy override the game though and many know that too. Nah the game is the canonical version of the story with canon gameplay. The games have differences in plot stuff but they are all canon as they don`t really contradict each other in meaningful ways that majorly change the plot. The novelization isn`t the most canonical version. Again no the games are meant to be taken literally. Starkiller still guiding the canon at all and altering it`s course with the force is still ridiculous though for someone his age and power. Barely or not he shouldn`t have even be able to do something like that and he really didn`t look like that image of Spogebob he was dealing with a star destroyer not little stuffed animals. Starkiller still changed the direction of the Star destroyer and moved it which is still massive to do. Again the book isn`t more canon and Starkiller did really beat Vader through conventional means and even going by the book Vader doesn`t always fall for taunts especially ones made by some 20 something year old. It really isn`t that plausible. Ok but he still held off and pushed back against the emperor for some time even when the Emperor went all out, even if it was 10 seconds less in the book it is still too absurd and way too much to make sense. No pulling down the star destroyer still doesn`t make much sense.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
Dude, just take your L already.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome sure /s
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 Also, noticed you deleted your previous comment. There is no shame in being wrong.
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome OK then....
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 ай бұрын
@@jaydenc367 So give up.
@jeremyallen5974
@jeremyallen5974 5 ай бұрын
While the story wasn't AWFUL it wasn't all that good, either
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Certainly better than anything Disney Star Wars can puke out that's for sure.
@jeremyallen5974
@jeremyallen5974 Ай бұрын
​@@BrandontheAwesomeThat's a very low bar that they only BARELY managed to clear
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome Ай бұрын
@@jeremyallen5974 What, TFU? TFU excells as a great story!
@Bean-vu6gp180
@Bean-vu6gp180 Ай бұрын
you have to change your behaviour you have the right in not liking someting but you have no right to be toxic and this as nothing to do with this video it as to do with your star wars reviews that you do on your channel but im also gonna talk now about this video the game superesedes the novels starkiller being overpowered in canon is not someting that is impossible in canon i don´t have a problem with the character being overpowered in the game you and others that say how the bosses are defeated in the games isn´t canon are wrong and the jedi powers in clone wars 2d is also not impossible
@ekaf1735
@ekaf1735 4 ай бұрын
Not convinced. The idea of Starkiller is as shitty as Ahsoka and Rey. And his fanboys that hate on every other game character because they are not him are even worse
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
#Triggered
@ekaf1735
@ekaf1735 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome well, I'm sorry but you need to grow up and calm down. It's just a game character. No need to be pissy about is
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@ekaf1735 Oh, so it's okay to crap on fiction, but not okay to defend it. Typical hypocrisy from a fake fan.
@ekaf1735
@ekaf1735 4 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome you are not defending anything. You are just attacking strangers on the internet who has an opinion different from yours. Again, if you are triggered go touch grass or something. You haven't said anything to prove me wrong. You only shown that you have no arguments to support your opinion and that Starkiller fans behave like unreasonable teenagers every time people criticize this questionable idea to give Vader some op apprentice that doesn't play any role in the overall story despite being directly linked to the main characters.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 4 ай бұрын
@@ekaf1735 No, I'm calling out terrible arguments and exposing people for who they are. Only triggered guy here is you. Give some examples instead of complaining and I'll be happy to debunk you. I can't speak for all Starkiller fans, but as a fan of the character and story I can tell you this: Starkiller is a powerful Force user, which is nothing new since there are plenty of them, Yoda, Mace Windu, Grand Master Luke Skywalker, all of whom perform impressive feats over the course of the Expanded Universe. As for Starkiller's role, he is responsible for the foundation of the Rebel Alliance, so he does play a majoy role in the story. And even if he didn't, that wouldn't take away from a good story set in the Star Wars universe, because not every story needs to play a big role in Lucas's films.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
4:48 The novel and book can't be on equal footing, the EU has a tier system for a reason. If the novel is considered the actual events, then it is on a higher tier than the 2 games, which simply wouldn't be canon since a higher tier source contradicts them.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Alrighty then, let's debunk what you say! *Ahem* The events of the novel and the game are pretty much identical. Hence they are on equal footing. But that doesn't mean there aren't parts of the game that aren't canon, such as the over the top spectacle, or the Dark Side ending. But go ahead, keep validating the fact you are a fake fan.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@BrandontheAwesome Obviously, the dark side endings aren't Canon. That was something that was confirmed. Also, how come you claim that they are on equal footing when other people in the same comments section are telling me the book is higher on the tier list? Finally, how does me not liking TFU prove that I am a fake fan? Do you have to like every single EU story to be a 'true fan' in your eyes?
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
​@@tk-6967#Triggered
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 Well, way I see it, the plot of both are the same. Yeah, when it comes to the series of events that happened in the EU timeline, of course the novel would be the more realistic approach. Nah, just stop being stupid. Like with your argument about Starkiller bringing down a Star Destroyer.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome So is it a matter of personal preference or does the novel actually supersede the game in the tier system? Because other people keep saying that any arguments against the game are invalid since the game isn't canon. Starkiller bringing down the ISD is stupid. It doesn't make me a fake fan to say that. I don't have to like everything in the EU. It is exactly the same with people who disapprove of the Vong.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
19:41 Again, still stupid. Also, the idea that so many of the most important Rebel leaders were about to be executed on the fricking Death Star with the Emperor himself present and that they escaped just like that is utterly ridiculous. If the Empire knew that Organa was one of the leaders of the Alliance, they could have easily orchestrated his death, even if they didn't publicly reveal their knowledge.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
Bail Organa went into hiding and had Leia and other envoys handle the rebellion and make deals in the senate when he could not be present for safety reasons. Ferus Olin in the EU was a Jedi who was protecting the Organas in secret up until right before ANH where Vader killed him, so any Empire assassinations were thwarted by him up until that point, and you already know what they did to Alderaan after that. Nonsensical argument.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@shadowstorm6458 How is that nonsensical whatsoever? Bail Organa wasn't just the Senator of Alderaan, but the Viceroy of the planet and husband of the Queen. Him being outed as a rebel, especially after all the close calls Leia had made in the past, would put Alderaan on the Empire's radar if it wasn't already. Also, Bail being confirmed to be a Rebel leader literally ruins Episode 4. Obviously, the Empire always understood what Alderaan was doing, but they never had any justification to act and no concrete evidence. If TFU's stuff were to be considered true, it just makes the whole 'Alderaan is innocent' stuff seem really dumb since the Empire knows that Alderaan is an active rebel planet.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 The empire already knew that Bail was a traitor way before TFU. They also knew of the rebellion being discussed, which is why Starkiller was used to draw them out in the first place. They only wanted Bail and the other rebel leaders rounded up so that they could expose their allies and quietly eliminate them. When they escaped, they were hunted down, but refrained from putting them on blast as to not make martyrs of them and galvanize more to the Rebellion’s cause. And again, they already knew of Alderaan’s betrayal. Vader and Tarkin never believed Leia whenever she insisted that she was on a diplomatic mission. If anything TFU makes Alderaan’s destruction make more sense. It is a nonsensical decision to destroy an entire planet and rob your empire of countless taxpayers and resources all for a power play. If the extent of the rebellion on Alderaan was greater than imagined it makes way more sense to nuke what is essentially the capital of your enemies.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@shadowstorm6458 'They already knew that Bail was a rebel' and 'they already knew that Alderaan were traitors.' My point was that none of it was official. Everyone just knew it was true. Tarkin and Vader did see through Leia's bluff, but they have no evidence to back up what they wanted to do, hence why blowing Alderaan was a huge mistake for the Empire. As for 'they were worried about making them martyrs', why were they trying to execute them then? And besides, the Empire in the EU executed a lot of Senators, which makes Bail different, especially when they can publicly state that he is a traitor. Also, if they were worried, why wouldn't they just engineer a story like they did with the Tantive 4 and a ton of other things. Seems like a Filoni level writing decision to me.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 They did know officially, which is how they knew Leia’s words were bluff. Bail publicly called out the Empire for years, was making deals in the senate for years, they knew for a fact. The Empire also has never needed “official” confirmation on treason to take action. They commit war crimes 24/7. I already explained it, and the game explains it if you actually played it. Palpatine made it very clear that he wanted to torture the rebel leaders to find out all of their allies so they could get rid of the entire rebellion in one fell swoop. The rebellion had countless supporters in secret throughout the entire galaxy, it wouldn’t have ended with Bail’s death. Even Bail tells Palpatine that his death would only inspire others, which we know is true. Also they never tracked him down or killed him for reasons I already explained, but you seem to ignore parts of my replies for your convenience. Ferus Olin was protecting the Organas, and Bail had envoys to operate by proxy at times. Rahm Kota’s militia also was a factor in his survival as shown in the TFU2 novelization. They couldn’t engineer a story because the rebellion was already well underway by that time, several rebel cells were already active, just no alliance to band them together yet. Garm Bel Iblis already had a rebel cell on Correllia. And there was other groups like the Atrivis Resistance. They wouldn’t have believed it and would have banded together immediately upon finding out their leaders conveniently “passed” at the same time from a random “incident.” It’s also laughable to compare anything in TFU to Filoni’s hack writing. Haden Blackman, the director of the game wrote some of the best Star Wars comics of all time, like Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison. An actual good contribution to SW, unlike TCW. Not to mention, George Lucas himself had to approve of every major decision in the story of the game, and vetoed everything he disliked or thought went against his vision. He obviously thought what happened in the finished product didn’t contradict ANH, so unless you want to say you know better, idk what point you are trying to make here. Granted, I will say Lucas isn’t infallible, he steamrolled all over the EU with Filoni in TCW, but that was the EU, not the movies for the most part. TCW contradicts mostly the CWMMP.
@brianjordan3841
@brianjordan3841 5 ай бұрын
I don’t care though what kind of explanation u wanna give me getting thrown out into outer space after being stabbed by Vader should’ve killed Galen Marek right then n there if people r gonna complain about Leia surviving in the vacuum of space then they should b crying fowl about Marek surviving too
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 5 ай бұрын
Starkiller required a recovery time of six months. Leia on the other hand recovered in like 1-2 hours or something. There’s a difference.
@brianjordan3841
@brianjordan3841 5 ай бұрын
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 but still though they’re both human n would require more then just oxygen to survive the vacuum of space it was 1 thing to have Galen Marek survive a stab from a lightsaber (6/7 months recovery time of course even some cybernetics might b required but to say that he survived being thrown into outer space how does that get a pass but Leia in the godawful sequel trilogy doesn’t
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@brianjordan3841 The reason is because Leia was caught in an explosion. On top of that, it was never indicated she had any Force training prior to that scene. Starkiller was thrown out of a window, and was quickly recovered and was rebuilt over the course of six months.
@brianjordan3841
@brianjordan3841 5 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome boy I’ll tell ya it’s a hell of a stretch but I’ll role with it if only 4 the sake of trying to maintain canonicity
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
@@brianjordan3841 I'm coming at it from a storytelling perspective. Leia is not established as to have any kind of training, not to mention she should have at the least been unconcious or in shock. Starkiller was rescued by a droid mere moments after getting sucked out into the vaccuum.
@hellstrom4209
@hellstrom4209 4 ай бұрын
Why am I not surprised by the pure biase here?
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
You mean the pure facts?
@hellstrom4209
@hellstrom4209 3 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome nothing I see here is 'fact'
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@hellstrom4209 Then you obivoulsy haven't watched the video. Typical fake fan behavior.
@hellstrom4209
@hellstrom4209 3 ай бұрын
@BrandontheAwesome I'm a 'fake fan' for not blindly loving everything in the EU? You are obviously a toxic 'fan'. Pretends to be the 'true' fan be feel superior to those who actually likes certain parts of Star Wars that aren't EU.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@hellstrom4209 Ah, crying toxic. A true sign that you can't handle truth! And I am superior to you. That is, unless you can prove otherwise. Also, there is no Star Wars outside of the EU, unless you are talking Infinities.
@saintfreezy6914
@saintfreezy6914 26 күн бұрын
here goes whiney agreeable again
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 25 күн бұрын
Here goes the fake fan again.
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 5 ай бұрын
1:12 min. You've lost that dude. Instead of explaining TFU is gameplay-driven game that makes a good link to the Episode 4, that it was just for dumb fun you tried to feed him a secondary shit none cares about. That'd be the worst argument ever made because 'read some secondary shit' just lets incompetent writers to get away with their laziness. Or were you satisfied that TFA didn't explain anything concerning the world-building but had the explanation novels? Better would be - if the title of the game doesn't say anything to you, we've nothing to discuss.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
Except The Force Unleashed’s novelisation is not secondary, it’s primary. That’s because it’s higher up in the hierarchy of canon. Also, I think he already explained and illustrated that he told him it was for gameplay purposes, if I’m not mistaken.
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 5 ай бұрын
@@FMK03 nope, it isn't, since it is THE GAME that has been released and promoted, and only then, there was novelisation. His issue was to go from the very weird side, which was never a strong part of the game. Why start with that?
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
TFU was a multimedia project, all versions of the story were developed at the same time but were released separately. The game was merely the flagship version since it was conceived as a game first, and LucasArts wanted to show off that revolutionary DMM game engine they had at the time. Every Star Wars EU game that had a novelization, Dark Forces, Jedi Academy, Shadows of the Empire, overwrote their game’s canon. Games are not the same as movies, everything is skewered in favor of game mechanics, they are not expected to be as reliable as a movie or novel, the TFA comparison is not a good one. The TFU novel didn’t fix or change the story of the game, but streamlined it with details the game could not provide without being exposition heavy. Most Star Wars game stories pale in comparison to their novels. The only exception is probably KOTOR 1&2. But those were exposition heavy games as typical of an RPG.
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617
@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 5 ай бұрын
@storm6458 yet every time we discuss it, for some reason we talk about GAME and GAME alone. All you wrote states that, stop embarassing yourself! Every time we talk about a movie we suddenly talk about... I think you can answer that yourself.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
@@mbiwe3ep_on_futanari617 You talk about the game and game alone because you hate the game and refuse to listen to logic. Your arguments fall apart when the novel gets brought up so you dismiss its validity at every turn. Everyone else talks about the novelization because they understand it is the optimal way to experience the story. And no I can’t answer that because I don’t know what you are babbling about.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
16:43 Which is still stupid and overpowered? Also, Yoda and the Emperor are both prime force users who have decades of training and have a lot of midichlorians. This force feat suggests that Starkiller has an absurd number of midichlorians. Yes, he is the son of 2 Jedi, but the Mareks weren't ridiculously powerful or anything, so it certainly shouldn't be something he could do.
@alsimmonshellspawn6021
@alsimmonshellspawn6021 5 ай бұрын
Dude you just hate starkiller I bet you love rey and asoka
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Nice rebuttal, the classic association fallacy 'you dislike x so you must like y'. No, I don't like either of those characters. For Rey I shouldn't even need to explain why. For Ahsoka it is because she goes from being a whiny brat to being Filoni's OC which he has literally brought back from the dead twice.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
You do realize Yoda and the Emperor could have pulled down the destroyer too right? They just never would be in that situation. In legends they have done things that make Starkiller look weak in comparison. Palpatine’s force storm feat in DE can destroy an entire fleet of ships, Yoda in the battle of coruscant in the 2003 CW cartoon was using the force to destroy hundreds of droids. Starkiller didn’t pull down the Star Destroyer in the first place. The ore cannon on Raxus Prime shot it down, and it was going to crush him if not dealt with. He didn’t even grab the entire ship, but used all of his strength to barely tip it down by the nose for a premature landing. And even then, Starkiller was not strong enough to stop the momentum of the gargantuan ship, and had to jump out the way or he would have died from getting ran over.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@shadowstorm6458 Yes, I am aware, which is why I mentioned them being prime force users with decades of experience and significant power. Starkiller is a 17 year old kid. I don't care what kind of training he went through, that doesn't make the ISD thing not utter bullshit, even with the novel's explanation. He would have to have a ridiculous midichlorian count to pull a stunt like that.
@shadowstorm6458
@shadowstorm6458 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 You don’t need decades of experience to be strong enough in the force to do those feats. A padawan named Rivi-Anu was able to suspend a falling venator class Star Destroyer with the force in the clone wars books. Anakin also held back a theta storm not too long after attack of the clones. Starkiller was not 17. He was found by Vader in 18 BBY, and TFU takes place in 2 BBY. So that is a 16 year gap. So unless Vader found Galen when he was 1 years old, he can’t be 17. He is somewhere in his twenties at least. Midiclorians arent everything. Midiclorians only gauge potential, training and spiritual mastery can compensate. Kyp Durron in legends was a student in Luke’s Jedi order and was able to match Luke with way less years of training. They both were able to move dovin basal singularities with the force, aka an artificial black hole. By your logic, Palpatine shouldn’t be as strong as Yoda since he had hundreds of years more experience. Yoda is 900 years old. Palpatine caught up to him in power in less than 1/10th of Yoda’s lifespan. Starkiller was trained by Vader, Proxy, and was a prodigy akin to Mace Windu, who trained for 16 years and only in the ways of using the force for combat. His strength is justified.
@DrD00M3
@DrD00M3 5 ай бұрын
No disrespect I love the Eu but I hate starkiler he embarrassed Vader and the story or plot frustrates me though it's a fun game I appreciate the novel it makes sense I personally don't like seeing Vader lose to anyone who isn't luke or palpatine
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
Vader has had a fair share of losses in the EU. It shouldn't happen all the time, but when it happens it is for a reason.
@Brendan-kx8iy
@Brendan-kx8iy 3 ай бұрын
You boldly assume this Vader is anywhere close to his prime when this is basically him at his absolute weakest.
@vandeheyeric
@vandeheyeric 27 күн бұрын
Vader being embarrassed and humiliated has kind of been a defining part of his character, and it goes all the way back to Tatooine and slaving away in the back end of nowhere in a miserable desert to a flying Le Happy Merchant character who is a heart, some fruit, and some basic morality away from being a Der Sturmer cartoon. Anakin fails to save Shmi. Anakin fails to master himself as a Jedi. Anakin gets humiliated and literally crippled on Geonosis. Anakin gets crippled more pervasively and humiliated on Mustafar, to the point where Obi-Wan considers it would've been a mercy to kill him but Obi-Wan did not feel merciful at that moment. Vader narrowly misses reclaiming the Death Star Plans several times, Vader gets put on a glorified leash to Tarkin during the construction of the Death Star, gets blasted out of the sky by Han Solo, and then gets put on a leash to Tagge. And I could go on right up through his failure to turn Luke to his side several times, and then being defeated in battle in front of his master. Of course, I am accentuating the negatives and not talking about his far more numerous successes. But that's the point. Most people in universe and a lot of people out of it don't see Anakin/Vader for what he is: A Tragic Failure. But he sure as heck knows that is what he is. So being humiliated by his secret apprentice is honestly par for the course in my opinion.
@forbiddenmemez4786
@forbiddenmemez4786 3 ай бұрын
Starkiller beats Vader and gave Sidious a run for his money and even held off his lightning back to back. He's definitely OP. I don't care how much training Vader gave starkiller. No force user except Yoda should be able to contend with Sidious or hold off his lightning during the clone wars-imperial era of star wars. Even Yoda struggled to block Palpatine's force lightning in episode 3, and he has been training for hundreds of years (He outclasses starkiller in experience), so the idea of a 17 year old force user somehow achieving a feat of that magnitude is really implausible. The TFU games have issues story wise. The plot twist with vader's betrayal and him revealing to starkiller that he was always just a tool to lure out the rebels and that he never intended to take down palpatine with him always seemed dumb to me considering vader doesn't know luke exists yet. Starkiller was logically Vader's best choice for an apprentice to defeat the emperor at this time considering how powerful starkiller is shown to be, but Vader chooses to betray him anyway because plot. The force unleashed is poorly written and IMO fact that they had to tone down starkiller's powers in the novel proves that these games shouldn't have been considered canon to begin with. I never really saw the story as "bridging the gap between episodes 3 and 4". To me Starkiller's entire story and his role in helping the rebellion always seemed like it was shoehorned into the canon and doesn't work well with the existing material, as he is never mentioned or alluded to in any other sources outside the force unleashed games, thus ultimately making his character inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, despite the massive role he was given in essentially jumpstarting the rebellion.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
Fake fan spotted!
@forbiddenmemez4786
@forbiddenmemez4786 3 ай бұрын
@@BrandontheAwesome lol Go cry about it. I respect the expanded universe. That doesn't mean I have to like every single part of it. At least i'm willing to recognize the flaws and inconsistencies in things instead of being ignorant. Starkiller's toxic fanboys complain about people "criticizing" TFU and call people "fake fans" because they don't like the game's story or the character, when TFU and starkiller simply weren't super well written to begin with.
@theketaminefrog6366
@theketaminefrog6366 3 ай бұрын
​@@BrandontheAwesomeBut The Force Unleashed really does not fit with the rest of the Expanded Universe that well. OP Force feats aside (which imo are not that big of a problem, if anything Starkiller controlling Star Destroyer with the Force works with lessons taught by Yoda about judging stuff by their size), The Force Unleashed depicts the rise of rebellion differently than it was previously established
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@theketaminefrog6366 Well, one could argue Leland Chee and the others could have found a way to do so if it weren't for the buyout. Anyway, give me the rundown on previous depictions of the Rebellion's origins, and let's see if we can make the pieces fit.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 3 ай бұрын
@@forbiddenmemez4786 Pfft, you wouldn't know good writing if it smacked you in the face!
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
4:04 then the game shouldn't have been canon. Simple as that. They should have explicitly labelled it as Infinities/non-canon and only consider the novel canon.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
The novelisation is the canonical version of the story not the game. How are you not aware of this, given how passionate you seem to be on the topic at hand?
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@FMK03 I am aware of that, but it needs to be explicitly labelled as non-canon, not a matter of the novelisation simply being higher on the tier list than it.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 Except that since the novelisation is higher on the hierarchy of canon, it’s canonicity automatically trumps the game’s canonicity. That shouldn’t require a non-canon tag. It’s like saying Star Wars: Dark Forces and Star Wars: Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight both need a non-canon tag in order to be considered or recognised as being the non-canonical version of the story presented in the Dark Forces trilogy of novellas, which are, just like The Force Unleashed, higher up in the hierarchy of canon.
@tk-6967
@tk-6967 5 ай бұрын
@@FMK03 Then why is TFU given the same treatment as canonical EU sources? The game itself isn't bad, but holding it in undeservingly high regard can easily be construed as a double standard (I personally don't think it's a double standard since the designs of places and people are very well done, unlike most Disney projects). Maybe it is just my disdain for TFU and TFU 2's stories, but they aren't exactly well written even if the characterisation is good. The idea of the Alliance taking Kamino, capturing Vader and such is all poppycock.
@FMK03
@FMK03 5 ай бұрын
@@tk-6967 It’s clear that people are willing to call out the game on its negatives. However, since the game is non-canonical and can be enjoyed without worrying about it contradicting and messing up canon, fans are more than willing to simply enjoy its overblown aspects.
@loganveracruz6328
@loganveracruz6328 5 ай бұрын
Force unleashed was created as a game first and foremost so that's the real version. No matter how you try and spin it starkiller is ridiculous op edgy fan fic.
@jamesrogers5184
@jamesrogers5184 5 ай бұрын
He’s OP because he was trained by Darth Vader. George was involved so it was no fanfic.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 5 ай бұрын
The events of the game are canon, but the over the top spectacle, certain enemies, and the Dark Side ending and DLC are not. Hence the novelization. Checkmate.
@Do_not_at_me_bro
@Do_not_at_me_bro 5 ай бұрын
#FakeNews #FakeFan
@wolfpredator1000
@wolfpredator1000 4 ай бұрын
ur just a dirty TLJ lover
@TK-wk6xd
@TK-wk6xd 2 ай бұрын
Not according to the Canon Hierarchy, the novels are above the games.
@MovieEnforcer
@MovieEnforcer 2 ай бұрын
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