The fundamental problem with Fnatic - The Best Damn League Show. S4E16 ft Keire

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Thorin is joined by Keire to discuss week 2 of LEC Summer, Razork as the front-runner for MVP, Fnatic's biggest problem, Irrelevant potentially being "ELO Hell'd" in SK, why G2 isn't really in any danger, the loss of hype in the Heretics project, and more.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:02:00 - Fnatic
0:14:50 - SK
0:21:09 - BDS
0:29:13 - KC
0:39:27 - Vitality
0:48:42 - MAD Lions
0:58:21 - G2
1:10:16 - Rogue
1:16:15 - GiantX
1:21:36 - Heretics
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@user-ke3vj6ds4o Ай бұрын

Keire's accent is so thick it makes Thorin sound American

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

aye

@Savaris96 Ай бұрын

Its a crime that we never got to see Nisqy with Bo

@David-tr6xe Ай бұрын

Or bo with any human mid

@joaomiguel178 Ай бұрын

bo on the current sk would bang so hard but the dream would be g2 bot nisqy bo wunder

@seamonster175 Ай бұрын

@David-tr6xe Bo+perkz spring reg season+ bo3 stage went so hard, randomly died at bo5s

@joaomiguel178 Ай бұрын

@@seamonster175 yeah they looked so good for half a year idk what happened

@David-tr6xe Ай бұрын

@@seamonster175 i mean considering perkz arc it’s no suprise? And then he had to play with this insanely bad mid. I still think a team should try to make this guy work. Just need good mid who gives direction like fox doinb was and he wins you the lec solo

@astar2394 Ай бұрын

I like Keire. He is very much outspoken and doesn't shy away from what he thinks. Very much a protege of Thorin's. I'm surprised he's not more popular because he is entertaining as hell with some good insight added in.

@AssortedFacts Ай бұрын

He does a regular show with rich and nymaera aswell not sure if you knew but it’s a banger

@everything-has-a-handle-now Ай бұрын

He definitely has grown on me. His accent took a while to get used to as I never had to listen to scot for more than 5 minutes in my life before lol

@jjandre7032 Ай бұрын

Would you kiss him?

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

@@jjandre7032 yes

@Saso2701 Ай бұрын

I'm in the other boat. He ruins any show he is on for me. To me he just desperately want to have "unique and different" opinions and they rarely seem rooted in any kind of logic. Half the stuff he says makes no sense whatsoever. To be fair most of the guest like Keire who haven't been pro or high ranked and not been knowledgeable enough to land a job in the actual scene usually just seem like a random redditer/discorder that voice their opinion about the teams from watching the games as a fan. Which is not very insightful to me. However I'm a big fan of Thorin as a contenter creater/journalist and how he has an insane ability to create really interesting interviews and conversations with pro players/coaches/analyst etc.

@roachdoggjr4648 Ай бұрын

Love Keire as a guest! Always very entertaining and has his own opinions and analysis.

@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 Ай бұрын

Fun facts about Jackies is that in the Varus game against FNC he did more than 50% of his team's total dmg. And about trust in the team, his team mates ran it down harder in EM than they do in GX (although that was against worse competition), this guy can't seem to catch a break.

@milkman2266 Ай бұрын

my favorite hylissang "creating space meme" is that hes creating a six foot space in the ground so he can throw his own team in it and bury them lol.

@janos2318 Ай бұрын

Kerie when Fnatic went 5-4: "Fnatic is the only team that can contend with g2! "Keire when Fnatic is flawless: "I wont believe in them"

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

Nah I meant that there the only team that when G2 play well can beat g2 in a stand up game, not when some player runs it down and you catch there miss play. There consistency is what wrecks them cause they can also lose too every other team. I've always said FNC are a torture jeckal and Hyde team. Watch me and riches preview off last year playoffs finals where I talk about trymbi being an amazing support but adds more variance which fnc doesn't need.

@seamonster175 Ай бұрын

I mean both can be true lol

@darkstar2205 Ай бұрын

Keire mentions that hans and miky would benefit from a korea bootcamp like zven and vulcan, but I think he is forgetting that duo queue above masters was removed shortly after that zven and vulcan bootcamp

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

Yeah I know it was removed just playing the 2v2 scrims and the soloq @ masters I think will be useful. Plus long period of dedicated practice, cause Hans is a massive benefactor of good soloq play.

@darkstar2205 Ай бұрын

@@Keire157 I agree mate just clarifying that distinction. Great episode!

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

I'll put myself too the sword here, cause I've said it elsewhere. Watching more vods if FNC are ever going to take a title of G2 it will be this split. This is the furthest ahead they have been from them. They need a dominant victory in this bo1 tho. Still don't trust them but if name plates weren't there I'd be saying this so here we go 😅.

@Keire157 Ай бұрын

fuck

@stevenschomberger1465 Ай бұрын

Why did rich not shit on weebs for 20 mins before the analysis?

@seemannskoepper Ай бұрын

Dear Keire, first of all: I do not mean the following in any way maliciously or deceitfully. I myself regularly have to speak in front of large crowds. A speech coach has helped me enormously to speak more clearly and in a more relaxed manner. Just a tip, because as a non-native speaker, I often have a lot of difficulty understanding you. Which is a shame.

@MrCod4killah Ай бұрын

Same. Quality speech is of very high value. Hope he can improve on it (if he wants/cares).

@ParallelZuVega Ай бұрын

I think he’s doing pretty damn good nowadays. He can for sure improve on speaking a bit slower at times and emphasize his points in a more distinguished fashion, but you need confidence and experience for that. Look at Thorin, every time he makes a funny comment, in his mind he knows he’s killing it xD Give Keire a few more years on camera, this guy will be miles ahead of all the buttoned up EU analysts.

@Will-bp4ri Ай бұрын

@@ParallelZuVega I mean, I don't think esports works that slowly, and broadcasting certainly doesn't. There are people who have that now. It taking years to be understood comfortably is not a timeframe that's acceptable. I wish the man all the best, but this isn't the place for him.

@ParallelZuVega Ай бұрын

@@Will-bp4ri Which analysts are actually putting out fun content? Imo it’s the LFN crew, YamatoCannon and Nymaera. The LEC guys are boring as fk and Caedrel acting like XQC became completely unwatchable for me. I think Keire is a nice addition with potential to blow up since he’s pretty controversial - one of his takes might just spawn the next twitter war :D

@williamhughes3295 Ай бұрын

Teaching in 2024 is a wild experience...

@envgaming Ай бұрын

I'm calling it, its gonna be Zabou next episode

@evanjacob8463 Ай бұрын

2 banger episodes back to back, Thorin is treating us!

@2sthimo449 Ай бұрын

First time I tried to adjust to Keires accent and it was worth it

@tinecchi3648 Ай бұрын

I totally get keiras point at 9:00 about Noah having a harder time because his team could throw at any moment and he doesn’t have the security, but my god how much fucking better is carrzy then?? Carzzy has way less security, his supporter is actually griefing most of the time this year and he still performs to the max. Noah is trash even though the team plays to him. Get him out or on a bottom team

@janos2318 Ай бұрын

nope! he is just fine, and doesnt int. And thats enough for Fnatic to be top2

@tinecchi3648 Ай бұрын

@@janos2318 that doesn’t say good things at all about the region.

@radwald189 Ай бұрын

Fnatic would be much better with Carzzy and Irrelevant.

@szabel. Ай бұрын

banger as always

@seamonster175 Ай бұрын

Nuc has become Larssen lite except Thorin hates him 😂

@kurjadva Ай бұрын

Make the part Keire explaining Jun coming to Europe at the end a real, banger

@appleinator8065 Ай бұрын

Can't believe you aren't hyped for GiantX. Juhan won worlds 2, PCS Spring years ago, almost carried DRX to an 8th place finish in 2023 and everyone seems to have forgotten smh.....

@akomar93 Ай бұрын

Thorin fresh trim looking cold as hell 👅👅👅

@Cheezperson Ай бұрын

Nice

@radwald189 Ай бұрын

Oscar is still a problem imo. If it were me after worlds I'd be inquiring about Carzzy and Irrelevant

@Keire157 29 күн бұрын

Yeah that was the true dream for myself. Also they lucked the fuck out on Jun I watched his ass he wasn't this good in Korea.

@stringerbell69 Ай бұрын

Keire episode lets go

@AssortedFacts Ай бұрын

King keire is back

@derBockmann Ай бұрын

I'm a simple Thorin discord user, I see Keire I click.

@danieljackman6915 Ай бұрын

No need for Dom next week just keep Keire we good😂

@user-lt9md7mw1m Ай бұрын

For the algo

@jimmybobhead44 Ай бұрын

Love to see Keire on the show again :)

@milkman2266 Ай бұрын

love keire and his accent. haters btfo

@lukelesh1026 Ай бұрын

Keire has become my favorite guest on every show he is on

@andrewjordan6405 Ай бұрын

This is factually not the best league show if Dom isn’t on…. What’s with that Thooorin

@Cashmoneez Ай бұрын

This keire guy is unhinged it’s a nice change of pace to see thorin play defense on players 🤣

@bostroom Ай бұрын

keire my goat

@madbruh123 Ай бұрын

Tbh, this keire guy lost me at this point @58:01

@Keire157 29 күн бұрын

Point is when champions are picked they arent picked in isolation of there strengths. For example to give a litreal one, even when it was a mage bottom era and people picked double ap in bot lne during the 2019 season summer TL did have doublelift change as much as other players outside his sona pick that he always had. There was no point intaking double lift with the qualities he had and making him play mages when he was by far the best adc player anyway and with impact an assassin mage player mid in jensen and a full supportive jungler the team was built around objective front to back team fights. Mad lions have two players who strengths outreach the others by miles yet they treat the picks off there team as if everyone can carry or effect the game equally. This is like when t1 picked lulu mid for faker in spring ogn 2014, was it insanely OP absolutely was it good for t1 no, it arguably doomed the series.

@ryanv8783 Ай бұрын

How can you say fnatic is a much better squad than TL. I would bet on TL players 10/10 times

@tinecchi3648 Ай бұрын

For me apa and yeon need to keep the msi performance up until worlds ends for me. If I had to build the best roaster out of those 2 teams it would be Impact Razork Humanoid Yeon Jun.