The God Debate: Hitchens vs. D'Souza

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University of Notre Dame

University of Notre Dame

14 жыл бұрын

"Two titans of the religious spectrum famed Atheist Christopher Hitchens and esteemed Catholic apologetic Dinesh D'Souza clash in public debate at the University of Notre Dame.
Sponsored in part by The College of Arts and Letters: The Henkels Lecturer Series, The Center for Philosophy of Religion and the Institute for Scholarship in the Liberal Arts."

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@superpartyheroes
@superpartyheroes Жыл бұрын
Who else is on here just to hear Hitchen's voice again? - We miss you Hitch!
@debbieallen8396
@debbieallen8396 Жыл бұрын
Every so often, I have to return to these videos - to recall and enjoy Hitchen's brilliance and tenacity again. I miss him. I miss every word he left unspoken.
@Lalhmangaih-oj1ko
@Lalhmangaih-oj1ko 11 ай бұрын
​@@debbieallen8396 😂😂😂
@fungusz_4292
@fungusz_4292 11 ай бұрын
fr
@hesham69
@hesham69 11 ай бұрын
Yup from the middle east and enjoy this gentleman just as much in fact I would rather watch this over the concert I m being dragged to tonight
@itsnotthatserious9871
@itsnotthatserious9871 11 ай бұрын
Gone too soon; as most brilliance is 😢
@itsme-mj9ic
@itsme-mj9ic 3 жыл бұрын
Just a friendly reminder to turn down the volume when you finish watching this.
@piterpraker3399
@piterpraker3399 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro
@eddieclark9802
@eddieclark9802 3 жыл бұрын
Wise counsel. 😎
@nicolem.6936
@nicolem.6936 3 жыл бұрын
@@eddieclark9802ⁿ
@quincyjagnow9324
@quincyjagnow9324 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you much
@chrisdissident
@chrisdissident 3 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@prideofalion
@prideofalion 11 ай бұрын
The irony of this debate is that D'Sousa's main argument is "prove it".
@jackfrost90999
@jackfrost90999 11 ай бұрын
Thats not irony, its one of the best arguments, neither atheism or any specific religion can be 100% proven, thats why we go based on the evidence we do have and the most reasonable conclusions that can be made from the evidence and that would make a creator/designer much more plausible than there not being a so called god, hitchens was much better than dawkins or harris but was still outclassed by the likes of craig william
@prideofalion
@prideofalion 11 ай бұрын
@@jackfrost90999 you just said in your own words religion can't be proven. So how is it not ironic? But you are right, we don't yet have those answers. So you are free to believe whatever you'd like. I wish you the best. But just for clarification, word of mouth and historical literature are not evidence.
@jackfrost90999
@jackfrost90999 11 ай бұрын
@@prideofalion your missing the point, the burden on proof isn't on the religious its on the atheists, unless your willing to concede that morality is completely subjective and majority rule should always trump any set of moral values
@notsnape9414
@notsnape9414 11 ай бұрын
@@jackfrost90999 the burden of proof lies with the claimant. I hereby claim in the center of the universe there is an invisible cow. Prove that it doesn’t exist. See? Dont be stupid
@kuuttinuutti4417
@kuuttinuutti4417 11 ай бұрын
@@jackfrost90999 the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim . the relogious make the claim ' there is a god ' , no matter what form or number he takes . to this an atheist can say ' prove it ' , which is valid because you have made the claim which is being questioned . it is not the questioners job to disprove your point
@wRAAh
@wRAAh 11 ай бұрын
10:40 "The greatest obligation that you have is to keep an open mind." Oh how people on and off campus have forgotten this. Or never even understood it.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@JimBobJoeB0b
@JimBobJoeB0b 3 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363how fitting.
@KK-fi6ms
@KK-fi6ms 2 ай бұрын
Yes. It is heartbreaking how so-called liberals of today, due to their own intolerance, have allowed the right wing to co-opt liberal pioneers like Hitchens and George Carlin.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
@@JimBobJoeB0b People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a perron who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.
@Wopaapaa
@Wopaapaa Ай бұрын
Like you said: “in a vision”😂
@lolololololol369
@lolololololol369 2 жыл бұрын
I like how Christians and athists can have an intellectual peaceful debate with no death threats
@jayjay1415
@jayjay1415 2 жыл бұрын
This is because neither is implying it should be "my way or the highway." Agreeing to disagree is a very simple concept. One may feel different than another about a topic but forcing one's ideology on another is where the problem lies. In America greed is so entrenched in our psyche we will alienate, imprison, or kill anyone that disagrees with us.
@Mike93Gee
@Mike93Gee 2 жыл бұрын
Informal fallacy. They cannot, due to the the zealot nature of all dogmatic belief systems. Its only when you have Hitches vs D'souza or another qualified, other may everyone enjoy a real debate
@mikec6733
@mikec6733 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mike93Gee Sorry, I just accidentally posted a comment @ you. It was a mistake. I deleted it. I'm old and not tech savvy.😔
@Mike93Gee
@Mike93Gee 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikec6733 no worries. I enjoy how we have similar names by the way.
@jonathansoko1085
@jonathansoko1085 2 жыл бұрын
I personally dont even count Dinesh as a Christian, but he really dismantled Hitchens here. All Hitchens did hte entire time was say religion bad, he asserted the entire time
@lucaslovely
@lucaslovely 3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. a debate at a university with two "controversial" speakers, in which both speakers take completely different stands but are civil and polite to eachother, don't scream over eachother or insult eachother, with no students screaming or chanting from the back calling somebody a racist/sexist or standing in front of the speakers with a sign disrupting the debate and being escorted out. I feel like I'm looking into an alternate reality.
@jamesabernethy7896
@jamesabernethy7896 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely refreshing to see a passionate and all encompassing debate that is still civil and respectful. Contributors and audience. Though this specific of one is new to me, I have watched a several of these over the years but every so often i watch several in a go when i'm in the right mood. I keep thinking of the Catholacism one with Stephen Fry and Ann Widdicomb, that one's a bit more lively.
@cowafungus8104
@cowafungus8104 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with that, but I don't agree about having anything to debate ABOUT. Conservatives have NOTHING in common with the SNIVELING CHILDREN aka democrats. There will be no "common ground". Our ONLY logical next step is COMPLETE & TOTAL POLITCAL & PHYSICAL SEPARATION.
@jordanh865
@jordanh865 3 жыл бұрын
@@cowafungus8104 " I agree that civility is good but FCK THAT GUY" Cowafungus for president 2024... He has the right mentality to win the republican ticket! ;)
@bexmac8136
@bexmac8136 3 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine a presidential debate operating like this?
@bexmac8136
@bexmac8136 3 жыл бұрын
@@cowafungus8104 Conservatives can take Texas and Dems cans have have Florida. Those able to analyze individual topics based on merit rather than blind loyalty to political ideology and the people promoting job such uh hi can have the resulti
@Jason-lw7tk
@Jason-lw7tk 10 ай бұрын
Christopher Hitchens is incandescent. What a legend.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl 8 ай бұрын
His body was briefly hence tthe ashes. dust to dust.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl 7 ай бұрын
Was, the silly petulant attention seeking child has been dead for years
@QuinnieMae
@QuinnieMae 6 ай бұрын
That's a wonderful descriptor, Jason. _Incandescent_ is what he was. _Still is_ given all the work he put out that we are STILL the beneficiaries of so many years after his death. Hitch carries on.
@cynicalsayonara7169
@cynicalsayonara7169 4 ай бұрын
He was light as a result of being heated? Oh wait, I'm supposed to pretend this is a part of my everyday vocabulary. Yes, he was passionate.
@raycharles212
@raycharles212 4 ай бұрын
@@vhawk1951klHis body was donated for research.
@andrewhunter3831
@andrewhunter3831 9 ай бұрын
Hitchens is simply the best orator I've ever heard. Wish he was still here, explaining things like only he could.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@georgedabrowski6900
@georgedabrowski6900 5 ай бұрын
​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Horse puckey, old chap. Man invented God, but You'd better just live in fear of fire and brimstone if you leave the beaten path. A loving God would love and forgive everyone, but not a God created by man, who has to be in control and passes that attribute on to his creation. Join this Country Club and spend eternity in our fune surroundings. Join today. 🐸
@Britishbandogge
@Britishbandogge 4 ай бұрын
Plebeian ​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@CMcKay-82
@CMcKay-82 4 ай бұрын
Prove god even exists. Then we can worry about all of those bizarre details. ​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@dhekwucieoejduf
@dhekwucieoejduf 4 ай бұрын
Hitches was a fraud and a snake oil salesman that could not come up with an original thought if it was staring him in the face. every single "argument" he made in this debate could have been written by a 13 year old. He was not able to answer a SINGLE ONE of disneshes questions in and goes on rambling about the virgin mary and mohammad. The man was a clown and died like the grifter he was. just look at 39 minutes. He didnt address a SINGLE POINT made by dinesg in his questioning. the guy is about as intelligent as a used car salesman.
@fukkyoutube
@fukkyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
who else is watching this 10 years on and came down here for the comments
@firebladetenn6633
@firebladetenn6633 3 жыл бұрын
I’m watching this right now.
@styx5293
@styx5293 3 жыл бұрын
Me... picked apart the Christian speakers easily. So many holes in the explanation.
@Juduh
@Juduh 3 жыл бұрын
@@styx5293 try cross examined
@S00mbre
@S00mbre 3 жыл бұрын
Watching ... for the 2nd time already!
@Emily.Landry
@Emily.Landry 3 жыл бұрын
fr lol
@souloftheage
@souloftheage 3 жыл бұрын
Seems Notre Dame spends more in chapels than in microphones.
@Miloeren12
@Miloeren12 2 жыл бұрын
I mean clearly, I would suspect a chapel would cost more more
@troyevitt2437
@troyevitt2437 2 жыл бұрын
it's named after LITERALLY "Notre Dame Cathedral". Notres gonna Dame.
@fromeveryting29
@fromeveryting29 2 жыл бұрын
"Nadr Deim" as the Americans say.
@43SHADOWLINK
@43SHADOWLINK 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like it's the same decision went with the teachers.
@jmjaquinas7298
@jmjaquinas7298 2 жыл бұрын
@@troyevitt2437 Different Notre Dame
@user-ez7yq6zg3h
@user-ez7yq6zg3h 9 ай бұрын
I had the great fortune of seeing Hitch in Philadelphia with my father back before Hitch was diagnosed with cancer. He is sorely missed. What a giant!
@MegaDonzee
@MegaDonzee 9 ай бұрын
Christopher Hitchens is missed, :(
@Hardjosh
@Hardjosh 9 ай бұрын
Hitchens is an anti-theist who sees absolutely no benefits for religion, even though Christianity legitimately allowed his very freedom of speech to occur. Depressing, and stupid.
@Shichard2006
@Shichard2006 8 ай бұрын
@@Hardjosh "Christianity legitimately allowed his very freedom of speech to occur." That sentiment is false, depressing and stupid.
@ijulia08
@ijulia08 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@jake-qn3tl
@jake-qn3tl 7 ай бұрын
Too bad Hitchens was dumb asf
@tomevans1507
@tomevans1507 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Dinesh and Christopher don't shake hands at the end of the debate. They hug each other.
@COLORADODCN
@COLORADODCN Жыл бұрын
D’Souza was picking his pocket
@spyglass3141
@spyglass3141 Жыл бұрын
It's gross Christopher touched him dinesh doesn't deserve the air he breathes.
@xboy6373
@xboy6373 11 ай бұрын
​@@spyglass3141 kid
@SillyGoose2024
@SillyGoose2024 10 ай бұрын
Thatssssssss what u took away from this? That they hugged???????? Raise your bar off the floor.
@MrZootles
@MrZootles 5 ай бұрын
​@@COLORADODCN🤣
@anope9053
@anope9053 2 жыл бұрын
when d'souza says that science can't explain why humans are here, what our purpose is, he's begging the question. why assume in the first place that there has to be a universal purpose?
@Dreson45
@Dreson45 2 жыл бұрын
Do you personally believe things can be right or wrong? Do you believe morality exists, or is it just some thing we create in our own consciousness?
@anope9053
@anope9053 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dreson45 i don't think morality can be fully objective. the feelings we get are from our natural tendencies to want to support the group, if that makes sense
@Cajaquarius
@Cajaquarius 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dreson45 Thing we create based on our being a primate species and, thus, dependent on a group for survival. 500 years ago marrying off your 9-year-old daughter to a 47-year-old man so he could wreck her in bed was moral. In fact, we know pedophilia - as we now call it - was rampant in the ancient world. Children didn't have any value until very recently, when medical science made it so they could live more than 10% of the time. Even the Jewish part of the bible has rules for inspiring abortions in women. In times of old, warriors who invaded a land would put children to the sword under a certain age - not out of cruelty, but because the alternative was letting them starve and die, slowly. Today, if an army like the US Marines started summarily executing everyone under the age of 10 we would consider it immoral. We only consider Epstein a monster because we value children - had he been born 1000 years ago, he would have been normal.
@angelicalicari8355
@angelicalicari8355 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dreson45 Morality MUST be something "we create in our own consciousness" (and re-evaluate continuously) as a modern society, because the only alternative is to select an arbitrary set of rules written in the past and ignore any newfound evidence that says those rules are harmful. For example, to expand on the scenario given by Shrodinger's Douchebag, 500 years ago we may not have understood that intercourse and pregnancy are often seriously damaging to a 9-year-old's body. If we has previously decided that, in your words "things can be right or wrong", and we had chose the moral code that set age of consent at 9 years old, then our current lawmakers would have to ignore modern medical science and all the harm the old law was doing to 9-year-olds. What is the point of making scientific advancements if we can't adjust our conclusions as to what is moral, and if outdated codes of ethics prevent us from putting such advancements to use?
@wolfthequarrelsome504
@wolfthequarrelsome504 2 жыл бұрын
A study of the natural world will quickly tell us that everything has a purpose. It's first principles.
@jasond4752
@jasond4752 Жыл бұрын
I can't comprehend the universe therefore I invent an incomprehensible solution to which logic doesn't apply. Basically, I don't understand anything therefore I understand everything. Makes perfect sense.
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
Plenty of folks out there who are perplexed by the real world, and take solace in the exhortations of conmen who collect flocks of these simple succulents and manipulate them for their own ends. Flat Earth is but one example. Religion has many examples also.
@forpspeakingclass4444
@forpspeakingclass4444 Жыл бұрын
@@phildavenport4150 flat earth theory is just a spawn from Christianity
@UnremarkableMarx
@UnremarkableMarx Жыл бұрын
@@phildavenport4150 humans are susceptable to religion. But let's not pretend atheists aren't susceptable to running into the wall of creationism, on account of simulation theory, and atheist & scientific interest in the paranormal; effectively just becoming a new salvation narrative (psychedelics, consciousness/dimensions, ufo's, computers). All becoming more and more validated by those in the sciences. A good Christian has no problem denoting these as fallen spirituality, (occult, satanic manipulations, new age spirituality). Because it'll be damn hard to extract truth out of these "divine" and "supernatural" things, which are upheld by scientism. Yet of course when I bring evidence of Catholicism being true, phenomena based evidence, it is really hearsay. And I don't cling to miracles, I don't use them to prove to myself and others Catholicism is the true basis of the world, it's creation, ethos, & design. But yes we might just be a blip of the 'life' phenomenon, in the vastness of spacetime, and whatever else is entailed in the greater universe. But that is on the basis of not understanding there is a story at play. If we go by odds, it's either my creationism, or scientism's versions of creationism, which is at play. By odds it's one of these, not an accident. I take my cues now from what is being told, and what is the meaning, or as I call it "The Word". I am affectionate to Astronomy and the modern science brought to life in the 20th century, when we talk about reveling in our insignificance. I am not of a religious background, I believed in typical science a la Neil Degrasse Tyson/Carl Sagan, and I believed in the big bang being the initiation of the universe. And us being a phenonmena within the universe. But I am a bettting man, and a convicted man, I saw the story at play, I studied history, and Catholicism was the answer. Now I pray and read scripture and have been vindicated by meeting the holy spirit. I chose religion for fulfillment of morals, and for rectifying our broken society, I am scared to be saved be Jesus in the end in some ways, eternity is a long time, but I've been born again once, I can die and live on and do it with grace.
@cheekybum6136
@cheekybum6136 Жыл бұрын
I can’t comprehend the universe therefore I believe a belief by one single human that before there were apes and then there was man. And where did the cell come from… idk perhaps an alien put it there
@forpspeakingclass4444
@forpspeakingclass4444 Жыл бұрын
@@cheekybum6136 It was one mans theory that became a fact though...?
@JesseColton
@JesseColton Жыл бұрын
"Its so ridiculous that Richard Dawkins would laughably suggest the original cell was placed here by aliens, let's all laugh at him. Anyway the original cell was placed here by the mighty and all-knowing creator of the universe which is of course much less silly than the idea of an alien doing it."
@qandidhater673
@qandidhater673 Жыл бұрын
You do realize that you just described an alien?
@leviz2644
@leviz2644 Жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right, it really is less silly. An alien would be a created being, whereas "God" is how we would define the eternal being/entity that exists outside of time, matter and space. The unmoved mover. But on the other hand, if we are to assume that the original cell was placed by aliens, we still wouldn't know how those aliens came to be, they would also need that original cell themselves.
@Magnusfication
@Magnusfication Жыл бұрын
​@@leviz2644 same problem with "god" its just the point where you decide to stop thinking about it. Thats what the infinite creator fallacy is. Just another dumb thing to say when you dont know the answer. Which really is a shame, because not knowing the answer to something is completely acceptable. Just say i dont know.
@bobbresee7781
@bobbresee7781 Жыл бұрын
Unless the alien is the creator maybe there one in the same
@frankhouck4446
@frankhouck4446 Жыл бұрын
Ok tough guy- if the response to intelligent design is “an alien did it”, then who gave “the alien” life? See where this is going? It all goes back to God.
@JustinMarshallElias2
@JustinMarshallElias2 Жыл бұрын
That was kinda like watching a 6 year old debate his dad.
@bbmtge
@bbmtge Жыл бұрын
That's because you suffer from hero worship.
@wigligigly3375
@wigligigly3375 Жыл бұрын
Who is the six year old and who is the dad?
@forthehomies7043
@forthehomies7043 Жыл бұрын
@@wigligigly3375 as much as I love hitchens, dinesh is his daddy
@fjoa123
@fjoa123 Жыл бұрын
But dad if I get a playstation, I swear i will get better grades!
@Un1t276
@Un1t276 Жыл бұрын
@@forthehomies7043 you’re only that because Dinesh is religious, and so are you. Watch the video again, but this time take off your rose tinted glasses.
@BizarrePower
@BizarrePower Жыл бұрын
Hitchens had such a commanding presence that I have never quite seen from anyone else. It'll always be a shame that he died, another 2-3 decades of Hitch would have been amazing.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
I always laugh at the cowardly theists besmirching his name now that he has been dead for over a decade. Religious hypocrisy is simply unbelievable. Then again believing in sadistic, genocidal sky fairies in the 21st century is as well. 🙄
@Miguel...160
@Miguel...160 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree , but at least we have people like Richard Dawkins and Stephen Fry from the Uk also.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
@@Miguel...160 Also Ricky Gervais and the great David Attenborough and of course Harris, Dennett and Shermer are still with us too. In fact there are far too many highly erudite and well known rationalists to keep the fight going against the death cults to list. 👍😊
@MegaFlorest
@MegaFlorest Жыл бұрын
If this decade is D'Souza's last, that would be great.
@leelastarsky
@leelastarsky Жыл бұрын
Indeed! Can you imagine what he'd have said about Trump and MAGA? I miss him terribly!!
@ukphillip
@ukphillip Жыл бұрын
I hope in a 1000 years time someone still appreciates the magnificence of this gentleman.
@Jay-ft3xh
@Jay-ft3xh Жыл бұрын
Hell be considered below average intelligence. But he will be recognized as being ahead of his time, sadly.
@SeekerGoOn2013
@SeekerGoOn2013 Жыл бұрын
Which one?
@leiluam
@leiluam Жыл бұрын
@@Jay-ft3xh & only the white folk
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
@@leiluam Racist fool. 🙄
@raymondparnell439
@raymondparnell439 Жыл бұрын
Probable!
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
"A grim pattern is visible in history: When religion is the ruling force in a society, it produces horror. The stronger the supernatural beliefs, the worse the inhumanity. A culture dominated by intense faith invariably is cruel to people who don't share the faith--and sometimes to many who do." James A. Haught
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
Witness the horrific return to the Taliban way of life in Afghanistan.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
@@phildavenport4150 Damn right Phil, Hitch was right, religion poisons everything. ☹️
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
@@philsymes Humanity's worst side comes out when unspeakable atrocities are committed in the name of religion, even when the religion in particular preaches the opposite. Like how women are being once again battered back into the stone age by the Taliban.
@FM-dm8xj
@FM-dm8xj Жыл бұрын
stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot, kim jung il enter the chat.
@timgonzales2891
@timgonzales2891 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Except for communist countries have been known to outlaw religion outright. But Stalin was only responsible for like, 64 million dead. Religion is totally the bad guy
@tonykearney3806
@tonykearney3806 9 ай бұрын
Have debates disappeared? It's what got me interested on the internet and moved me to research what the world was talking about.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@evanlabrant5448
@evanlabrant5448 3 жыл бұрын
Hitchens: "Everyone remembers what Laplace said to Napoleon when he produced his orrery" Me: "Oh yeah, I totally remember that, who DOESN'T remember that, right everyone?!" *nervous chuckle*
@aaronwalters7911
@aaronwalters7911 3 жыл бұрын
Oh ok lol lol
@balimbula
@balimbula 3 жыл бұрын
I think it is an Englishman’s attempt at dry humor. Of course no one remembers that.
@ramigilneas9274
@ramigilneas9274 3 жыл бұрын
I remembered.😂
@theodoravellum4589
@theodoravellum4589 3 жыл бұрын
“I don’t need it” 😆
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 3 жыл бұрын
_"I had no need of that hypothesis"._ But then, I'm a Brit. {:-:-:}
@kojeto
@kojeto 3 жыл бұрын
Drink every time Hitchens takes off and puts back on his glasses
@bensmith5288
@bensmith5288 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@Redrumkid818
@Redrumkid818 3 жыл бұрын
@@bensmith5288 why not ?
@furiousinsects6386
@furiousinsects6386 3 жыл бұрын
@@Redrumkid818 🤣🤣🤣
@HDitzzDH
@HDitzzDH 3 жыл бұрын
Just tried it, currently writing this comment from the hospital. Fun challenge 👍
@derp8575
@derp8575 3 жыл бұрын
Milo does it.
@jayantchaudhary4945
@jayantchaudhary4945 Жыл бұрын
ended more peacefully than it began. signs of intellect
@W3RK1Nit
@W3RK1Nit Жыл бұрын
come out from under your rock
@wigligigly3375
@wigligigly3375 Жыл бұрын
@@W3RK1Nit explain how he is under a rock and if he is why must he exit it
@W3RK1Nit
@W3RK1Nit Жыл бұрын
@@wigligigly3375 I find Dinesh's arguments quite shallow. So the 'signs of intellect' remark, especially in light of 2k donkeys (the comment is recent) is what I was criticizing. And while it was stated as a command, 'come out' was meant as more of a suggestion. Thanks for asking.
@grapetoad6595
@grapetoad6595 7 ай бұрын
95 people say they met Bill? More like 5 people say they met Bill, and that Bill had magic powers, 20 people say they read about Bill in a 2000 year old book, 30 people say they read about a Bob in a 700 year old book, 20 people say they read of a group of people called the Barrys. And then 25 people say they've never met bill, bob, or barry. 15 of those say that none of them exist. Dinesh thinks since their names all begin with B then the big B must have existed, and that he has magic powers.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@thequadfather2238
@thequadfather2238 12 сағат бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Average Pixie dust believer
@julianhermanubis6800
@julianhermanubis6800 3 жыл бұрын
Both men were intelligent, mostly civil and thoughtful in their replies. In other words, they were absolutely unlike the participants in the average internet debate about this subject.
@wbowden86
@wbowden86 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, but D'Souza like all other stark defenders of the faith, is not intellectually honest here. I mean he started his argument with "I'm not going to argue that religion is good for us, or comforting... that's all true..." It's not true. In fact, that was one of Hitchen's postulations was that religion is dangerous and harmful. So he basically just skirted the argument all together. He does a good job, there is just no way to defend the faith while being intellectually honest.
@metalmiquel8314
@metalmiquel8314 3 жыл бұрын
D'Souza was only intelligent in the sense that his words could have been planned lies to defend his faith. Barring that his words were incoherent. Pathetic ad hoc rationalizations disguised as prophecies, appeals to emotion, appeals to ignorance, and misrepresentations and/or misunderstandings of science.
@t-bo2734
@t-bo2734 3 жыл бұрын
@@metalmiquel8314 Uh huh. Hitchens did not share your opinion of the man. He had immense praise for D'souza's intellect and respected his analytic skills, though they obviously disagreed on this subject.
@t-bo2734
@t-bo2734 3 жыл бұрын
@Micolash He had loads of it and still does. He has acknowledged that we are living in a much more confrontational and extreme political period than was the case when he began his career. Thus, his approach has changed as society has become less civil. He believed he had to adapt to the current climate as a means to make headway in advocating his positions. It's hard to not be combative when left-wing agitators are disrupting your speeches, threatening you with violence if you set foot on a college campus, and comparing you to Adolf Hitler simply because you're non-leftist. Remember, Hitchens gave Bill Maher's audience the middle finger during an appearance on Real Time, and he didn't face anywhere near the hostility D'souza often faces.
@jimmyc1518
@jimmyc1518 3 жыл бұрын
@@wbowden86 Thomas Paine sums up well exactly why Denish started his argument off that way *To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture. Enjoy, sir, your insensibility of feeling and reflecting. It is the prerogative of animals.* See it's easy to dismiss scripture when you can interpret scripture any way you like but it's not so easy to dismiss the complexity of cells, the universe having order to it etc and say it all just flung itself together intelligently on its own. I'm by no means a big fan of Denish in fact this is the first time I've heard him speak in years an the only reason for that is this video just happened to show up in my feed and I thought I'd check it out just to see what was being said between the two and I must say Denish won this debate handedly.
@baileyayyy5085
@baileyayyy5085 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should be careful with those audio levels theres a few parts of this where I can almost hear what they are saying
@stillben
@stillben 2 жыл бұрын
sounded fine to me
@shadowlands8490
@shadowlands8490 2 жыл бұрын
It was lowered to limit the magnitude of decibels ranging from the deafening hatred of God to severe snickering. Either way God waits for everyone who watched this video. He is literally waiting..
@Tommybong710
@Tommybong710 2 жыл бұрын
I could hear it fine
@nledelnr
@nledelnr 2 жыл бұрын
Christianity has typically not wanted the truth to be heard.
@baileyayyy5085
@baileyayyy5085 2 жыл бұрын
@@nledelnr lmaoooooo
@andrewgjennings
@andrewgjennings 4 ай бұрын
Great arguments on both sides. After walking away from this, I have more questions than were answered, and both were responsible for my questions. I respect them both just for getting me to think, but also debating a topic which often devolves into death threats and name calling and someone storming off angry. This was awesome to watch. And for what it's worth, thanks to the audience for contributing to the positivity of this discourse.
@markedfanatic9349
@markedfanatic9349 4 ай бұрын
I really wouldn't call any of D'Souza's arguments "great". He says rather than give Hitchens the pleasure of throwing the bible at him, he'll bamboozle him with science and reason instead, however, his entire oratory only serves to demonstrate how surficial his scientific understanding really is. The vast majority of his cited examples of the god explanation filling the scientific gaps are addressed directly and succinctly in Richard Dawkin's The God Delusion. I would recommend it highly if any of his examples gave you food for thought.
@JimBobJoeB0b
@JimBobJoeB0b 3 ай бұрын
Hear hear, much agreed! 😄
@chadcwk
@chadcwk 25 күн бұрын
This is a rather nice comment. It’s refreshing to see one that isn’t negative or sarcastic. Just wanted to say thank you.
@ttrestle
@ttrestle Жыл бұрын
I first realized that I was an atheist around 8 years old in 1988, but it took me years to fully understand why as well as to be able to argue or debate the point well. Hitchens was so helpful and I know he’s helped many others to break free from their indoctrinated mind-forged manacles.
@MegaDonzee
@MegaDonzee 9 ай бұрын
I was eight too in 1963! I thought that someone was trying to pull the wool over my eyes, what the hell! lol
@fattlebieldproductions3198
@fattlebieldproductions3198 8 ай бұрын
Well I knew I was an atheist in 2003 when I was 3
@ttrestle
@ttrestle 8 ай бұрын
@@fattlebieldproductions3198 technically we all are born atheists as we have to be indoctrinated into a specific belief
@landor7610
@landor7610 8 ай бұрын
I consider it a badge of honor to be kicked out of Sunday School for asking too many questions. Also around 1988. Then at about 11 years old my extended family basically disowned me again for asking too many questions. I never went back. What kind of grandma kicks an 11 year old out of her house because he believes fish is meat. I was sitting on the curb for 5 hours until i could be picked up.
@ttrestle
@ttrestle 8 ай бұрын
@@landor7610 i’m so sorry you were kicked out of your own home. Yes, Fish is not meat in terms of literal definitions, but who cares? We are all born atheists, and we have to be indoctrinated into a religion and typically it is the religion that our parents, community, state, church, and country happens to have a majority belief in. but all religions are man-made mythologies, and there is no evidence to back up that any gods exist. One of the greatest things a human can do is revert back to the atheism that was there at their birth, and break free from any mind forged manacles that were indoctrinated into them and their youth. It can be very difficult for many, but once you do, it’s a beautiful thing to understand that this is the only life that we have. You can still find beauty and issues like evolution and cosmology and astronomy and you can find the numinous in art and music. One of my favorite books ever written is the demon haunted world by Carl Sagan. I read it in my teenage years and it helped me become a proper skeptic. Obviously, I’ve read hundreds and hundreds of books since then dealing with topics on skepticism, religion, history, science, art, etc. that have also helped me break free from indoctrination and learn to enjoy the world around me. But Carl Sagan Spock was instrumental in the beginning just like Christopher Hitchens books were so great in my mid-20s. Hitchens and Dawkins and Jerry Coyne and others like Sam Harris also helped me in my 30s.
@johndavidson5228
@johndavidson5228 Жыл бұрын
Kudos to Notre Dame University for holding this debate.
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Жыл бұрын
Nah, ain’t gonna get no kudos from me…
@rockcap6821
@rockcap6821 Жыл бұрын
@@macysondheim why? there’s nothing biased about it, it’s quite literally just a room to hold the debate lmao
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Жыл бұрын
@@rockcap6821 nah… clown
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Жыл бұрын
@@rockcap6821 🤡
@MoctezumasRevenge1
@MoctezumasRevenge1 Жыл бұрын
@@macysondheim as a famous hare once said, aaaaahhhhh shut up.
@lvskrn3076
@lvskrn3076 2 жыл бұрын
Dinesh: There is no good explanation Also Dinesh: Let me pick a terrible explanation instead
@mreeeeeegf
@mreeeeeegf 2 жыл бұрын
the worst part I find: They don't care how proofable the explanation is, just how plausible to them. "This sounds plausible, therefore I believe it. I do not have hard facts, and I don't care for them, unless of course you try to give an alternative view, then I REALLY need some and all hard facts explaining everything in detail. And also I'm still gonna reject it."
@phillipstroll7385
@phillipstroll7385 2 жыл бұрын
Dinesh : can't blame God for evil blame Hitler. The god of the Bible : I create all evil Isiah 45:7 Dinesh : I don't care still blame Hitler.
@glennatkinson9948
@glennatkinson9948 2 жыл бұрын
To be a fool is Ok How to open your mouth and prove it is not OK
@taowaycamino4891
@taowaycamino4891 2 жыл бұрын
No evidence that Christianity or God are not real or true.
@darknoob89
@darknoob89 Жыл бұрын
@@mreeeeeegf Isn't this how even scientists argue? Not to salvage his takes, in my opinion they were quite terrible, but honestly I see scientist use the same double standards
@jerometaperman7102
@jerometaperman7102 9 ай бұрын
How is it that anyone takes D'Souza seriously? To put him on the same stage with a giant like Hitchens is laughable. A T Rex vs an ant.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@jerometaperman7102
@jerometaperman7102 5 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363- Well, that's a load of bull. Got any proof for any of that?
@lawrence1318
@lawrence1318 4 ай бұрын
@@jerometaperman7102 The proof is your conscience. As you well know.
@jerometaperman7102
@jerometaperman7102 4 ай бұрын
@@lawrence1318- Okay, sure. 🙄
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 4 ай бұрын
@@jerometaperman7102 WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION? Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain? Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
@douglassepic9030
@douglassepic9030 Жыл бұрын
If God does exist, He certainly is not an all loving being.
@hlawulekamaswanganyi6438
@hlawulekamaswanganyi6438 7 ай бұрын
By what standard?
@douglassepic9030
@douglassepic9030 7 ай бұрын
@@hlawulekamaswanganyi6438 The same standard by which he is considered to be an all loving being.
@hlawulekamaswanganyi6438
@hlawulekamaswanganyi6438 7 ай бұрын
@@douglassepic9030 which is?
@cainedavenport1187
@cainedavenport1187 2 ай бұрын
God does exist but people who follow religion know less about god than a hippie taking to much shrooms. fact
@Joe-ns4cg
@Joe-ns4cg 2 ай бұрын
@@cainedavenport1187 I agree, true followers of Jesus, who have their own relationship with God are the only ones with a clue
@copacetic6440
@copacetic6440 4 жыл бұрын
9:40 is where you want to start.
@funkmonk5921
@funkmonk5921 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u
4 жыл бұрын
Did this guy pass away
@facebookcom-ej7dm
@facebookcom-ej7dm 4 жыл бұрын
Tha-hank you. Jezus, since when did debate introductions take 9-1/2 frickin ‘ minutes.
@carolynslist6118
@carolynslist6118 4 жыл бұрын
Jay Quan Trolling yes he did
@bartholomewlyons
@bartholomewlyons 4 жыл бұрын
Thx. Tired of scrolling through
@maestromike91971
@maestromike91971 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see a lot of people just watching this in the last few days.
@tonyd3433
@tonyd3433 2 жыл бұрын
Has to be the youtube algorithm at work. I clicked the link because it just appeared on my screen.
@maestromike91971
@maestromike91971 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonyd3433 me too.
@joshualuntsford
@joshualuntsford 2 жыл бұрын
It was in my recommendation Cuzz I’m gangsta
@ghost4life50
@ghost4life50 2 жыл бұрын
Same🤔🤷🏾‍♂️
@ckoritko
@ckoritko 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how the YT algorithm works.
@jonathancox9659
@jonathancox9659 8 ай бұрын
Watching this 13 years later, and Hitchens really nails Russia and predicted what they would become.
@NAFO_Badger_Brigade
@NAFO_Badger_Brigade 7 ай бұрын
Yes exactly!!! Shocking the role of the church in his evil deeds and even more shocking the support for Putin by the religious right in America!
@user-wr9ej6xe4j
@user-wr9ej6xe4j 7 ай бұрын
@@NAFO_Badger_Brigade More like Putin's (or anyone evil, like say Hitler's) interpretation of what the church would want. Not what churches actually want (evil and oppression and murder). Very different things. Man misrepresenting church's wishes isnt the same as what God or church would want
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 6 ай бұрын
Hitchens predicted a lot of things right
@supahsmashbro
@supahsmashbro 6 ай бұрын
Don't listen to Hitch on politics, he is ignorant of America's true nature and how it has turned Ukraine into cannon fodder
@michaelmuckinhaupt584
@michaelmuckinhaupt584 Жыл бұрын
Funny how D'Souza knows that Hitler said "Do not be afraid to lie to make your case." He is the king of using that ideal.
@woodytheduke
@woodytheduke 9 ай бұрын
2000 mules is a good example of his lies
@nftscreenshotter6436
@nftscreenshotter6436 7 ай бұрын
don't you love how he's like "bUt WhErE dO cElLs CoMe FrOm" as if he really dropped the mic? I'm surprised we didn't hear a collective forehead smack by every educated person in the audience. bro's argument there literally is "I'm ignorant about science, that must mean that god created everything!"
@RebiTHC
@RebiTHC Жыл бұрын
Great debate. I loved the part where Christopher Hitchens pointed his magical wand at the creationists and chanted "reductio ad absurdum!" and he Hitched all over them
@johnstewart4350
@johnstewart4350 Жыл бұрын
HITCHENS KNOW NOW WHERE HE IS, AND GONNA BE FOR ETERNITY. THERE IS NO REPENTANCE AND SECOND CHANS FOR HIM. PS: TAKE WARNING AND FLEE TO CHRIST !!
@elijahbaley5556
@elijahbaley5556 Жыл бұрын
It truly was one of the debates of all time.
@Secularist5024
@Secularist5024 Жыл бұрын
It's hitching time.
@wigligigly3375
@wigligigly3375 Жыл бұрын
I actually felt Hitchens Hitchin inside me
@wigligigly3375
@wigligigly3375 Жыл бұрын
@@johnstewart4350 bro didn’t even Hitch. How disappointing
@Bmanritchie
@Bmanritchie 3 жыл бұрын
9:45 Hitchens’ intro 26:02 Dinesh’s rebuttal 39:34 Hitchens’ rebuttal to Dinesh rebuttal 45:54 Dinesh responding to Hitchens’ rebuttal again 58:09 Questions
@ithanreed5279
@ithanreed5279 3 жыл бұрын
was looking for this thx
@cozeeetv
@cozeeetv 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Some pages delete these because they want us to suffer through the nonsense!
@judywright6889
@judywright6889 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@firefalcoln
@firefalcoln 3 жыл бұрын
26:02 is supposed to be Dinesh’s intro. It’s poor form to rebut your opponent an extra time if you go second just because your opponent went first.
@NoHairMan
@NoHairMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for investing your time to save that of many others :>
@ianmcpartland9306
@ianmcpartland9306 10 ай бұрын
Just" discovered" him last week and find him so compelling. As with many, I wish I had been aware of him much, much earlier. Even more so, how I wish he was still alive..the world needs minds and communication like Christopher.
@josephkriegel2119
@josephkriegel2119 9 ай бұрын
Really? What "compelled" you? This guy is hollow and lacking in any completeness. Maybe it is he speaking with an Engilsh acent and speaks in complete sentences you are impressed. Not me. Not impressed.
@georgemorenstein
@georgemorenstein 9 ай бұрын
Is that why God oh so ironically cancered of all things, his throat? In his divinely infinite wisdom, he knew the world needed more such minds, so he painfully struck one down? I personally don't think so, nor do I much concern myself with wasting this God given existence, by foolishly questioning his presence. About as useless an endeavor as watching this video. Pass.
@NottherealLucifer
@NottherealLucifer 9 ай бұрын
​@@georgemorensteinYou don't question his presence because you're not smart enough to even attempt to put any evidence together. His presence doesn't need to be questioned, it's never been established.
@georgemorenstein
@georgemorenstein 9 ай бұрын
@@NottherealLucifer Everything 'before, now and after'.
@jupiterinaries6150
@jupiterinaries6150 9 ай бұрын
@@georgemorensteineven without the ability to speak orally one can still communicate via writing. So it’s not anything unusual or a proof for god that he had cancer of the throat.
@Yourghostuncle
@Yourghostuncle Жыл бұрын
“The quantum is inferred to explain that which can’t be explained” - A religious person
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 2 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones 3 жыл бұрын
Hitchens at 9:36. D'Sousa at 25:54. The first nine minutes is the usual further ado that they always falsely claim they are without any of.
@unknownchannel3141
@unknownchannel3141 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant phrasing
@chrisa.9977
@chrisa.9977 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rmasters7096
@rmasters7096 3 жыл бұрын
@@unknownchannel3141 . . Only, the words "any of" didn't need to be there, perhaps?
@enterbalak
@enterbalak 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@EzraMerr
@EzraMerr 3 жыл бұрын
@@rmasters7096 it's traditional formal English grammar
@ericmarley7060
@ericmarley7060 2 жыл бұрын
They both went out and had pizza after this, btw.
@samosmond2375
@samosmond2375 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@emomc9557
@emomc9557 2 жыл бұрын
Facts?
@user-iy2ju1wj3r
@user-iy2ju1wj3r 2 жыл бұрын
@@emomc9557 yes, d'souza reminisced about it in a later video, after hitchens passed, talking about how cordial his debate and relationship was with hitchens. they fundamentally disagreed with each other, but they did not hate each other. 11 years ago seems like a whole different world.
@joelfigueroa1309
@joelfigueroa1309 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-iy2ju1wj3r we're still apart of that generation. Im a Christian and have close friends that are atheist. Respect and tolerance seem like relics of a time forgotten
@arcade-eyes3682
@arcade-eyes3682 2 жыл бұрын
@@joelfigueroa1309 I urge you to assess whether you meet Jesus' criteria for saved, Tolerance is not of the bible, it is a new age doctrine 2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness"
@angelar3625
@angelar3625 Жыл бұрын
Indeed , he was brilliant , unique , curageous , and so on and so forth .Miss him 😥
@Hardjosh
@Hardjosh 9 ай бұрын
He's not unique. He's the average anti-theist with a bit of education in his background. He's not really that brilliant philosophically, but he's good with rhetoric.
@NottherealLucifer
@NottherealLucifer 9 ай бұрын
​@@HardjoshIncorrect. He was absolutely unique, that's why there hasn't been another like him since his passing. "He's an average anti-theist" what you're misunderstanding there is that antitheists are just better informed than theists and even most atheists, so yes they tend to have a knowledge base similar to Hitchens', that doesn't make them all alike. Every single Christian who has ever debated religion is 100% exactly the same and has failed to counter any atheist argument, despite the fact we've been using those arguments for centuries.
@Hardjosh
@Hardjosh 9 ай бұрын
@@NottherealLucifer "what you're misunderstanding there is that antitheists are just better informed than theists and even most atheists," Is that so? Prove it. "so yes they tend to have a knowledge base similar to Hitchens', that doesn't make them all alike" That's true. They are not all alike. Most are worse and more incompetent than atheists. "Every single Christian who has ever debated religion is 100% exactly the same and has failed to counter any atheist argument," That's a bold claim. Prove it. "despite the fact we've been using those arguments for centuries" Clearly counterargumentation has occured in the last several centuries, but anti-theists choose to ignore it.
@aue82a
@aue82a 3 ай бұрын
@@Hardjosh Everything that Hitchens says , just goes straight past your bat.
@davehawes8177
@davehawes8177 Жыл бұрын
Well I can't help but think Christopher Hitchens finally gets to win. I had never heard of him until I watched him and Steven Fry debate the negative side of "The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world " two days ago. Then today after watching two of his American University debates I find out that he died over 10 years ago. How is this possible I ask and then the penny drops. Thanks to the internet and U tube, he has the gift of eternal life and his message still reaches out to us all, challenging us to think about things rationally. One up on religious dogma I would have thought. For good measure I leave this thought, We live in one breath or the universe . Breath in grasshopper (Black Hole), breathe out grasshopper (Big bang).
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
Great post Dave. 👍
@jordanteodoro3389
@jordanteodoro3389 5 күн бұрын
Mr. D'Souza has better explanations or hypotheses than Hitchins can do.
@hamishdouglas8780
@hamishdouglas8780 4 жыл бұрын
they're both relatively polite and respectful, very refreshing to see on the internet
@thewastedwanderer5787
@thewastedwanderer5787 4 жыл бұрын
That wasn't the internet. This is. They were speaking out of desire and not to mention, for the express purpose of a respectful debate. And guess what happens in real life when you say something that you'd only say on the internet? When said to the wrong person (or the right), you get smacked or something along those lines. That's exactly why you would only ever say it on the internet; Cowardice. Also- D'souza was not respectful. There are multiple times where he refers to Hitchens in an obvious tone of hubris.
@hamishdouglas8780
@hamishdouglas8780 4 жыл бұрын
@@thewastedwanderer5787 you can show hubris and still be polite lol
@charlidog2
@charlidog2 3 жыл бұрын
@Francisco Parra Hitchens was outstanding in life. Cheers.
@amiddleschoolreader918
@amiddleschoolreader918 3 жыл бұрын
These are REAL debaters
@oliverjamito9902
@oliverjamito9902 3 жыл бұрын
My beloved Hitchens. It's amazing how a FRITZ ignites through the mind and translated from the mouth? Now the question is? What is truth?
@AW06
@AW06 2 жыл бұрын
Such a sad thought that the many coughs that The Hitch had to contain during his opening statement were a foreboding of his illness. Within just over a year he would be dead - such a brilliant mind and whit is truly missed.
@kend7597
@kend7597 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing his coughs hurt 😢
@ojrmk1
@ojrmk1 2 жыл бұрын
He was pretty wonderfully glib in the face of it. When asked "How are you?" in one opening of a panel he replied "Well, I'm dying...but so are you."
@Mansplainer452
@Mansplainer452 2 жыл бұрын
What does it matter though. He lay with the maggots which are as valuable as his existence right? As valuable as the poor African kid who dies prematurely from malnutrition. Clearly a marvelous notion of equipoise as the cornerstone of atheism👳tank you an come agen
@tera1755
@tera1755 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mansplainer452 this point is utter casuistry.
@Mansplainer452
@Mansplainer452 2 жыл бұрын
@@tera1755 who cares dude
@strangelet4588
@strangelet4588 9 ай бұрын
As an atheist, I can honestly say, Hitchens was a God.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
You can't get something from nothing All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@strangelet4588
@strangelet4588 6 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Would you, as a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, create children that you love, never reveal yourself, then command to be not only believed as "real" but also "just"...upon penalty of eternal torture....Eternal. Knowing that you have planned many of your children to be born in a culture/geography/family that follows a different God? Including those born before the bible was even made? Silly, right? it is to me. Sounds like a monster.
@TheLesserWeevil
@TheLesserWeevil 6 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Nah, I'm good.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
@@strangelet4588 We are all born on a level playing ground but some of us get given more and more because we gave God the benefit of the doubt Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
@@TheLesserWeevil Please don't ignore this is very serious In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
@SuspectUsual
@SuspectUsual Жыл бұрын
"If you read the Quran, you are Muslim. If you understand the Quran, you are Ex-Muslim!" ~~~~ CREATOR of Allah ~~~~
@jraelien5798
@jraelien5798 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I am stealing that!
@SuspectUsual
@SuspectUsual Жыл бұрын
@@jraelien5798 You are most welcome!
@amityadav-lt5bc
@amityadav-lt5bc Жыл бұрын
Nice one mate!
@SeanKiernan420
@SeanKiernan420 Жыл бұрын
Lol nice one
@irfanhusein1445
@irfanhusein1445 Жыл бұрын
This is what happened with me, albeit on the fourth reading. I kept thinking I was missing something. And then I realized it was quiet clear.
@P.Galore
@P.Galore Жыл бұрын
I really miss Hitch.....his death robbed humanity of a powerful spokesperson for reason.
@TraceOwens1985
@TraceOwens1985 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Craig destroyed Hitchens
@markbeckham7298
@markbeckham7298 Жыл бұрын
@@TraceOwens1985 No one has ever nor will they ever destroy Hitchens!
@TraceOwens1985
@TraceOwens1985 Жыл бұрын
@@markbeckham7298 Well Craig did so watch again
@BenMJay
@BenMJay Жыл бұрын
Hitchens bottomless contempt for the Clintons. He was a smart man who ripped them to shreds. So much like Breitbart, Hitchens suddenly got cancer.
@rusmoody5198
@rusmoody5198 Жыл бұрын
@@TraceOwens1985 By no means sir
@biftero
@biftero Ай бұрын
The universe isn't fine tuned, it just is as it is.
@forthehomies7043
@forthehomies7043 Жыл бұрын
Each time Hitchens coughs it hurts. He died the same year as this debate from cancer. While I don't agree with everything Hitchens says, he sure opened my mind. RIP.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl 11 ай бұрын
The sewerite Hitchens is not resting titch,. he *Dead* and a good thing too, one fewer tendentious attention seeking, lying pervert on this planet can only be a good thing- the little creep was a dreadful poseur, and a complete fraud. He was no more an atheist that he was a heterosexual or original and all that balls about decency(or some cognate of that bunkum that you creatures call morality) was pure unalloyed religion - for what*Else*is religion but all that good/evil right/wrong, morality/ethics mumbo jumbo? I appreciate the the Elsies and simpletons imagine that religion *necessarily* has something to do with the god fantasy, but being Elsies and simpletons they are of course mistaken because self -evidently there are scores of religions which do not advert to the god fantasy, but a goodly number of them are explicitly atheistic, which is only a pose because there *are* no real atheists, because belief or acceptance without question takes place in men(human beings) mechanically automatically - choicelessly, which means that the can no more *choose* to believe or not to believe that the can *choose* not to dream or not have their heart beat-so the idea of men having choice or even the possibility of being able to choose is not borne out by the evidence of what is and cannot be different. Machines cannot choose any more than dreamers can choose, and what are men but dreaming machines?
@WoodlandRecordings
@WoodlandRecordings 11 ай бұрын
Well, he died in 2011.
@jeffreylasky2737
@jeffreylasky2737 4 жыл бұрын
What’s great is both Hitchens and D’Souza actually enjoyed debating each other.
@rhelferstay
@rhelferstay 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, intellectuals like to debate and have their views and ideas challenged. Unfortunately we live in a world where the atheists automatically think anyone who is religious or spiritual is an ignorant moron and most religious people think atheists are devious heathens. They both can be extremely annoying, I prefer agnostics to atheists, almost every ism leaves you close-minded.
@CteCrassus
@CteCrassus 4 жыл бұрын
@@rhelferstay "Agnostic" refers to knowledge and acts as a modifier to the word "Atheist". If you know no gods exist then youre a _Gnostic Atheist;_ If you don't you're and _Agnostic Atheist;_ But as long as your answer to the question "Does one or more gods exist?" *isn't* "Yes" you're an Atheist, no matter how sure your are of the answer.
@zepherinparnell5500
@zepherinparnell5500 4 жыл бұрын
Atheist means you are unconvinced that there is a god. It is perfectly possible to be an agnostic atheist, meaning that you don’t know that there isn’t one but are unconvinced that there is. 👍
@pskfry
@pskfry 4 жыл бұрын
@@zepherinparnell5500 that's just called being agnostic...
@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io
@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io 4 жыл бұрын
@@rhelferstay There are exceptions to every rule, except this one.
@patscally5390
@patscally5390 4 жыл бұрын
The moderator says to keep questions brief, then proceeds to begin a 3 minute rambling starter question. Buffoon!
@adreaminxy
@adreaminxy 3 жыл бұрын
He was cracking me up. He's introduced as the perfect person to moderate etc. but his questions had absolutely no sophistication.
@deesalmon9632
@deesalmon9632 3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for him to ask an actual question!!
@nickn8302
@nickn8302 3 жыл бұрын
I know right??!
@MonkyTube18
@MonkyTube18 3 жыл бұрын
i think he just wanted to look smart too
@yitzharos3006
@yitzharos3006 3 жыл бұрын
I have found without fail- the moderators at every private debate Ive seen tend to want their position in ths spot light. I imagine myself inviting two super heroes of debate and just being in awe in glory of that show regardless of my desire to speak into a microphone. :)
@johanneslindh3313
@johanneslindh3313 Жыл бұрын
Lol when d’souza started talking about universal constants, he started of by naming things that arent constants
@danielsmithiv1279
@danielsmithiv1279 Жыл бұрын
Such as? Can you give us examples of things that D'Souza said which aren't constant? Or are you just talking out of your butt?
@johanneslindh3313
@johanneslindh3313 Жыл бұрын
@@danielsmithiv1279 The distance to the Sun is changing. And different around the globe Gravity is not a constant the gravitationslag acceleration on earth is different Where ever you are on the planet I can give him the speed of light as i assume he is talking about the speed of light in a vacuum from a stationery source. The expansionstakten of the universe is not really any constant so i assume he is refering to the Hubble constant or the hubble parameter, wich is not constant in time But spacially constant.
@johnnyreb280
@johnnyreb280 Жыл бұрын
This is actually true. The force of gravity on Earth varies depending on where you are on the planet. This is because the strength of gravity depends on a few factors, including the distance between two objects and the mass of those objects. The Earth is not a perfect sphere, and its shape is slightly oblate due to its rotation. This means that the distance from the center of the Earth to its surface varies depending on where you are on the planet. Because the force of gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between two objects, the gravitational acceleration will be slightly different at different locations on Earth. Moreover, the density and distribution of mass within the Earth's crust also affects the local gravitational acceleration. For example, a region with a large mass concentration (such as a mountain range) will experience a stronger gravitational acceleration compared to a region with a lower mass concentration (such as an ocean). Therefore, it is true that gravity is not a constant on Earth, and the gravitational acceleration experienced by an object will vary depending on its location on the planet.
@Raiddd__
@Raiddd__ 3 ай бұрын
@@johnnyreb280 lmao no you're totally wrong. The force of gravity IS a constant. It never changes. What you just mentioned that changes is the EFFECTS of gravity (which are dependent on mass, distance). The effects of gravity ALWAYS (because the force is a constant) behave as following: every particle attracts every other particle in the universe with a force that is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers. That is what is constant. Very irrelevant and silly response of you and @johanneslindh3313 *edit* also yes, dont mention how technically newtons theory is "incorrect". Sure, but its correct enough to use in almost all cases, and of course there is some solution to gravity that is correct in literally all cases, and whatever THAT constant is, will be just as constant and fit perfectly well into everything i just said. Also who cares if he like mentioned the wrong constants? Literally no one cares. Fine tuning of the universe is an irrefutable observable scientific fact. Including the initial entropy state of the universe that Roger Penrose notes as being so unfathomably unlikely that it has but a 1 in 10^10^123 chance of happening. This number is so unfathomably unlikely that you cant say with near logical certainty it did not happen by chance (and can say with absolute logical certainty that it isnt reasonable to believe it happened by chance). The only question then is what is the best explanation of the fine tuning.
@SkullWaneVideos
@SkullWaneVideos 3 ай бұрын
It sounds like D'Souza is saying that people who are deprived of God may lack morals. But then again, there are moral people out there with no belief in God.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@timdark4733
@timdark4733 26 күн бұрын
That because there is moral law written on our hearts. Atheists hypocritical follow moral laws while simultaneously saying they don't believe in them because of determinism and that you are just a cosmetic accident and morals are just a social construct.
@gl2461
@gl2461 18 күн бұрын
Depends on your definition of moral
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 14 күн бұрын
@@gl2461 The wrong thinking taking billions to hell is thinking if my good outweighs bad then I am okay. A judge judges you on the crimes you have committed your good works are irrelevant. Good works only matter if you are saved. Psalm 7: 11 God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day.
@tl6690
@tl6690 2 жыл бұрын
We lost a great man 10 years ago today. You'll never be forgotten. RIP Hitch!
@ceceroxy2227
@ceceroxy2227 2 жыл бұрын
Lost a great man, as long he doesnt believe in God, but if he ever converted to Christianity he would immediately become a terrible man
@Jolly_Rodger
@Jolly_Rodger 2 жыл бұрын
@@ceceroxy2227 And by now he knows for sure.
@mariadaniellawulffdaarbak1891
@mariadaniellawulffdaarbak1891 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jolly_Rodger im going to guess he knows absolutely nothing now..... Cause hes dead....
@Jolly_Rodger
@Jolly_Rodger 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariadaniellawulffdaarbak1891 In terms of debate God vs no God. If Hitchens was right - yes, he’s dead and buried. But if he is wrong - then his mortal flesh is rotting in the grave, but immortal soul continue on its journey and he definitely knows how wrong he was. But let me ask you a question - what do you hope for? That he was right?
@wolfthequarrelsome504
@wolfthequarrelsome504 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Christopher for the opportunity to rebut your Marxist ideas. Your soul is either in heaven or hell now.
@deuslapis5247
@deuslapis5247 Жыл бұрын
I take great issue with the line of reasoning suggesting that evolution cannot explain evil, morality, or reason. There is an entire field called evolutionary Psychology which is dedicated to studying these exact things in the lens of evolution. Richard Dawkins "The Selfish Gene" gives an amazing explanation of how morality could develop. Essentially, when looking at evolution from a gene-centric view, even if one member of a tribe dies, their genes can still prevail in the other members of the tribe. This means that in tribal/social species, self sacrifice becomes a good thing. Even if the individual dies, if it benefits other organisms with their genes, it will still be selected for. This same concept applies to all moral behavior, as anything that benefits your tribe is selected for. This also explains why tribalism is so prevalent in people. This process is analogous to symbiosis. Evil is extremely easy to explain. Evil often stems from greed, which would obviously be selected for to some degree. Genetics vary, so some people are predisposed to be worse. Additionally, it is much harder for instinct to control the actions of a high intelligence conscious being(like us) than lower levels like insects or fish. This naturally means that humans can exhibit some traits that aren't selected for at all, as consciousness is very much environmentally dependent than most things. In regards to the claim of reason, "We may then at least have the chance to upset [genes] design"- Dawkins. We evolved in a position where our bodies were perfect for tool creation. Opposable thumbs and highly accurate finger motion are necessary for tool making. Once our body plan was around the place of a-afarensis, being smarter meant you could make more advanced tools, which gave an absurdly large advantage over other creatures. Due to the exponential growth of technology, small changes in brain function could lead to massive changes in advantage. This put a strong selection force on better brains, and thus our brains grew in size immensely over ~3 million years to the size that they are now. One of the many benefits a brain can give is mathematics, which would also be selected for, as math enables technological advancement and better strategy, which is necessary to survive in the wild. Out of this also comes logical thinking, which is required for mathematics. Once we have logical thinking, high brain power, and math, reason is literally already there. Reason is built from the laws of logic. Developing reason is inevitable once logic is selected for.
@tinaa9231
@tinaa9231 Жыл бұрын
Great post Deus! 😊 Sadly I fear it will be utterly wasted on the brainwashed theists on here who totally despise basic scientific evidence and logic. Phil.
@lf7354
@lf7354 9 ай бұрын
That’s why fish think mathematically. They were here first and crocodiles. What a weak argument.
@anneberger8379
@anneberger8379 8 ай бұрын
Very well said, thank you for that!
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 7 ай бұрын
Love hearing the wisdom Hitch always brought,even after his death.
@hyperfox4494
@hyperfox4494 7 ай бұрын
Love? Sounds like an evolved ape like social construct to me. In fact all the words you're using are pointless and have no meaning. Your source of " wisdom " thought this.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 6 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 there is no proof there is a god.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
@@momszycat4148 There is order in the universe, for instance the sun is at a perfect distance from the earth to allow for sustaining life (food, water, sowing and harvesting etc) You can only give what you have Humans have a sense of love, freewill (robots do not have free will), Justice (animals do not care about Justice, whereas human’s setup courts), feelings. A Being who has these attributes gave them (God). 100% of the time we get life from life. Therefore, Human life came from God. We all have a built-in conscience (knowledge of right and wrong). It is universal that murder is wrong, lying is wrong, stealing is wrong. (Conscience is God given)
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 6 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm afraid you need to prove a god exists first. The attributes you named are learned. We don't have a 'built in conscious '. Take a child born without society or other humans around and you won't see those attributes. There is a case study on this if you care to look it up. Prove god first,which you cannot.
@fjoa123
@fjoa123 Жыл бұрын
Religion is a blanket for those who need comfort against the terrifying fact that we exist.
@prometheanevent
@prometheanevent 2 жыл бұрын
Stuff like this always reminds me of how mediocre my level of knowledge is, .
@markcavandish1295
@markcavandish1295 2 жыл бұрын
Right?!?
@allahspreadshate6486
@allahspreadshate6486 2 жыл бұрын
That's an invaluable lesson to learn; how little we know. The danger of ignorance is not "not knowing", its "thinking you know what you don't".
@prometheanevent
@prometheanevent 2 жыл бұрын
@@allahspreadshate6486 - I’d only add the worst-case scenario - when someone’s thought that they “know” is also thought to qualify them to run other peoples’ lives.
@allahspreadshate6486
@allahspreadshate6486 2 жыл бұрын
@@prometheanevent - Or not just "thought to qualify" but those that are actually empowered to run our lives, our leaders and law-makers. (Edit: And, in the context of this video, religious authorities.)
@sebastianactually1310
@sebastianactually1310 2 жыл бұрын
@@allahspreadshate6486 Jesus is Lord
@Beaches_south_of_L.A.
@Beaches_south_of_L.A. 2 жыл бұрын
Hitchens doesn't start speaking until 9:41 everything before is introductory crap by people you've never heard of whom have nothing to say.
@vickiezaccardo1711
@vickiezaccardo1711 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I' d seen your comment before 8:19. By the time I type this comment he should be starting.
@timberger212
@timberger212 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving me and others almost 10 mins of life
@cambienvenu
@cambienvenu 2 жыл бұрын
What a hero, thank you, friend.
@ChimeratAlpha
@ChimeratAlpha 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly.
@user-il5hy5tr5z
@user-il5hy5tr5z 2 жыл бұрын
Based
@garymaclean6903
@garymaclean6903 9 ай бұрын
"You give up your seat because you're a nice guy"... Morality and Ethics. It is clear, and there’s reams of evidence throughout multiple branches of biological science, how ‘Social Behavior’ in wide numbers of higher species is to a greater or lesser extent an evolutionary adaptation that helps the survival of the group, and thus the individuals. Acts of clear altruism, where demonstration of care for others, cooperation, pack behavior, generosity, self-sacrifice, and even forward-thinking, demonstrate values that seem innate to the majority within that species. From this reality it can be determined how our tendency towards moral behavior is an inherited evolutionary adaptation that we’ve discovered improves our chances for survival. On top of this is our rational analysis of how a structured and regulated society allows us to function better that a society built on chaotic anarchy would provide. This doesn’t mean there aren’t many among us who try to push the limits of moral and ethical behavior for their own benefit. Some of this anti-social behavior can be attributed to poor environmental influences, and various degrees of mental illness, such as psychotic behavior. People have free will to choose their behavior. That D'Sousa tries to attribute this innate quality of Moral Behavior to a ‘Moral Law-Giver’, is merely a totally unnecessary assigning of a supernatural origin to something that is completely accounted for in a purely natural explanation. How does he explain why non-believers ALSO behave morally...?
@Amy-un6xg
@Amy-un6xg 6 ай бұрын
Morally according to who? And there are plenty of reasons atheists would choose to act in a manner that any given society views as morally upright
@garymaclean6903
@garymaclean6903 6 ай бұрын
@@Amy-un6xg There's a wide range of opinions on what constitutes 'moral behavior'. I'm sure that by any of those opinions there are atheists who would meet those moral standards, and some who would not. Very much exactly like others who claim their morality comes from their god and their religion... And the reasons why atheists act morally have everything to do with how our social expectations have evolved, to where even people of vastly different faiths (or non-faiths) have many similar standards of what they believe is moral behavior, and what is not... Religious morality was adopted after man had evolved standards of social behavior that helped them as a community survive through 'social cooperation' (i.e. moral behavior), rather than total conflict. Man knew it was wrong to kill long before god gave Moses the ten commandments...
@Amy-un6xg
@Amy-un6xg 6 ай бұрын
@@garymaclean6903 I'm not sure if it's intentional, but you managed to dodge the actual question and insert your opinion as fact. I asked who set the guidelines for morality, not what constitutes moral behavior? I guess that brings me to the first part of your comment. If moral behavior is just a matter of opinion, then right and wrong doesn't actually exist as concrete, immutable standards, which means they don't actually exist at all. That is a logical conclusion, not my opinion on the matter. Additionally, I would argue that atheists generally could act "morally" at times because society sets guidelines that limit what they are permitted to do without consequence, they believe that such moral behavior will facilitate their personal and professional growth and they personally value the well-being and lives of others to the extent that they wouldn't choose to harm another being if they did not believe they would gain anything (or something subjectively greater) from it. Those are just a few logical reasons that have nothing to do with evolution. I don't really understand how you can claim as fact that 'social behavior' or 'religious social behavior' is a product of evolution when not only is there no way to prove that, but the evidence to support that claim (as far as I personally know at this time- my strength is an understanding of the biological evolutionary worldview) is severely lacking. If you believe the evidence in favor of it is strong, please share with me what convinced you. Additionally, if you believe that 'religious social behavior' is a construct of evolution then you'd need to also explain to me why the religious were more socially "fit" (also remembering that if you are simply acting as if you ascribe to a particular faith system it's not genuine faith, and there is no way acting/lying could be a product of evolution), what part of the genome (or epigenetics) influenced such behavior or belief (if any, if not what brought it into existence, and how can it be passed down each generation without resistance), and why atheists exist at all given the purely physical/social explanation you stand by. Are atheists then, more socially fit? If so, how and according to who? Notice that not once did I insert my opinion as fact. I am simply using rationale to come to the most reasonable/likely conclusion on the matter.
@garymaclean6903
@garymaclean6903 6 ай бұрын
@@Amy-un6xg You've actually hit the nail on the head. Yes, there are no 'absolutes' when it comes to morality and ethics. They are all 'social conventions', whether they originate from a religious society or a non-religious society. But that doesn't mean you can conclude 'they don't exist at all..!!!' They clearly exist for those who hold them, for the simple reason that we, as individuals or a society, say they exist. Just like any other social convention, like government, money, laws, etc. etc. - All these don't inherently exist. They exist because man 'created them', and they can be significantly different in one society, or individual, vs another... And your conclusion moral behavior has nothing to do with evolution, misses the reality of how we (and many other species) could not have survived without group participation and behavior that is beneficial to their group and thus to individuals, that allowed them to survive and thrive to evolve to where they are today. Our behaviors have always had a genetic influence, as well as an environmental (social) influence. Just like behavior in many other species isn't just 'learned'... As to the evolution of religion and religious morality', that is blatantly obvious, as throughout man's history there have always been gods, spirits, and even miracles used to explain everything from man's origins; how the world works; our place in the universe; and what our destiny after death will be. As important was how religion also codified 'moral behavior', thus bringing stability and order to the societies who followed it. You cannot find one culture or society throughout all of man's history that did not point to a 'supernatural' origin that explains all these aspects that man otherwise could not explain. (Until the advent of science and the Scientific Method provided more 'natural' explanations.) The fact that even our current societies have gone through a multitude of 'gods' (Zeus, Thor, Poseidon, etc. etc.) who we no longer consider relevant, only demonstrates how mutable our beliefs in the supernatural has been. Even with all the major religions around the world today, all claiming to be the 'one true faith', there's clearly much doubt how any of them actually could be what they claim. None of them certainly can provide anything like irrefutable 'proof'. That's the actual definition of 'faith' - belief in that which cannot be proven... And these statements aren't all 'just my opinion'. They are backed by the evidence of research and facts, and the reality that it demonstrates.
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime 2 ай бұрын
Excellent and well stated point.
@deLimitedProductions
@deLimitedProductions 9 ай бұрын
D'Souza was doing fine until his "grandma on the bus" example, at which point his ignorance and desperation shined brightly and his foundation crumbled like a stone tablet off a cliff.
@Phillyphan23
@Phillyphan23 9 ай бұрын
He was wrong on his first point about presuppositions. Nobody says dark matter is real. It’s a theory that makes sense, with a goal to prove it.
@Strype13
@Strype13 5 ай бұрын
Doing fine? How so? The entire foundation of his introductory argument was built on a blatantly false premise. At no point was he "doing fine." He essentially set himself up to lose the debate before it had even started. This is one of the most one-sided rhetorical beatdowns I've ever witnessed. D'Souza was nowhere near a worthy adversary for a man of Hitchens' caliber.
@pacojr5125
@pacojr5125 2 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how people have been debating about the existence of god for ages and yet we're still debating
@danger.snakes
@danger.snakes 2 жыл бұрын
only the gods change
@gailstone1636
@gailstone1636 2 жыл бұрын
For those who believe, no Explanation is needed, and for those who do not believe, no explanation is Sufficient.
@bn8579
@bn8579 2 жыл бұрын
@@gailstone1636 this is a nonsense statement
@helwithe7914
@helwithe7914 2 жыл бұрын
The reason it's still a debate is because a majority of theists hold power and sway over politics and money, which are powerful incentives. It might seem like the debate is still going strong, but a vast majority of our worlds youth are coming to their senses with skepticism and logic. Don't be surprised, though, that the debate will continue considering what religious minds are capable of.
@missesmew
@missesmew 2 жыл бұрын
Because it’s scary that humanity in this day and age, despite all the evidence of atrocities committed en masse against children that can’t be denied, that anyone could ever need the help from a god that allows that?
@chokin78
@chokin78 2 жыл бұрын
Christopher saying 'I don't mind' when the moderator said refrain from booing, throwing fruit etc is a classic now...
@dr.rickmarshall6697
@dr.rickmarshall6697 2 жыл бұрын
Holy macaroni
@cuivre2004
@cuivre2004 2 жыл бұрын
Because he was quite sure that it would be HIS cohorts that would stoop to doing that, therefore he wouldn't be the target.
@dr.rickmarshall6697
@dr.rickmarshall6697 2 жыл бұрын
@@cuivre2004 Or it could be like this, he didn’t care if they threw anything at him because he was telling the truth and being honest ,and if that’s what it takes that’s what he was willing to endure to cure you from your stupidity and insanity.
@ericmork630
@ericmork630 2 жыл бұрын
@@cuivre2004 ah yes, projection. A common tactic in the theist toolbox of failures. Because it's atheists who have thousands of years of history of torturing, murdering, heckling and throwing food at people they've locked in the stocks for daring to offend their favorite fairy tale deity
@icepick1514
@icepick1514 2 жыл бұрын
@@cuivre2004 what nonsense.
@kabri
@kabri 5 ай бұрын
"What better explanation is there to existance than 'there's an invisible eternal being that does everything and is so intelligent he (because it is a he) made us very flawed just to play with our souls". Pure brilliance!
@coffinman5007
@coffinman5007 Ай бұрын
And if he left us proof of infinite intelligence we might find it in thw mandelbrot set.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
D'Souza's opinions mean far less to me than something very slowly negotiating itself out of a cow's digestive system. 👍
@ArtLoopED
@ArtLoopED Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@ReignOfZero
@ReignOfZero 9 жыл бұрын
If I walked in to a town where everyone professed to having a close relationship with "Bill" except for 3 people I would I would ask to meet him. When they say "Oh, well we never really met him and can give you no proof of him, but if you pray to Bill and live your life in the name of Bill he'll save you...." I'd be out of that town with my 3 new friends. Being the bigger group doesn't magically make u not crazy
@theonebegotten
@theonebegotten 5 жыл бұрын
You don't want to live in countries that don't believe in Bill, believe me. Without an invisible Bill, someone always says I'm Bill and they're terrible.
@thebiblestudio7
@thebiblestudio7 4 жыл бұрын
But you can meet Him and know Him personally.
@robinhoodstfrancis
@robinhoodstfrancis 4 жыл бұрын
There a bunch of issues that need to be clarified. Getting at the roots of Science is a good way. Without Bill through Jesus, and his legacy through the funky monk system and their personal effort version of following Bill through Jesus, Newton and company wouldn´t have had the personal qualities and social surroundings adequate to give them the psychosocial and cultural resources to come up with Science. But you have to get into the details of Historical Sociology, not just go on simplistic stereotypes that take your Thanksgiving Day parades and football games for granted, along with the rest.
@bms77
@bms77 4 жыл бұрын
relaxthenrefresh how? No one has ever been able to show
@robinhoodstfrancis
@robinhoodstfrancis 4 жыл бұрын
@@bms77 You´re living in the world He´s made possible now, actually. From before the Protestant Reformation to the Age of Enlightenment, the Scientific Revolution, and on through the American Revolution and to FD and Eleanor Roosevelt leading America with vision from the Depression, WWII, and the founding of the United Nations community of nations, it´s all about God and Jesus. Jefferson didn´t announce the "World of Ideas," he announced the God of Nature, and he didn´t call Plato and Aristotle the greatest moral teachers of all time. He called Jesus that. You lift your little pinky, and you´ll start finding where there are wings to change the box of rocks and fire that Science gives you into the ever-loving Creation with its ecosystems, biodiversity, and people that need love. I started with the Tao of Chinese spirituality and Unitarian Universalism´s recognition of people´s spiritual paths. From A to B, and all the line in between. That´s how.
@joshuapayne3937
@joshuapayne3937 Жыл бұрын
D'Souza really implied there's nothing wrong with God of the gaps when it's being used to pretend to know what science can't yet explain. That's called lying D'Souza, and where science doesn't mind saying "idk" you don't mind saying that you do know and that it's God. Your intellectual dishonesty knows no bounds
@lawratify
@lawratify Жыл бұрын
D'Souza argues for an intelligent design based on the "fine tuning" of the Universe. Obviously he has not heard of State of Eqilibrium (in Physics) which states :When all the forces that act upon an object are balanced, then the object is said to be in a state of equilibrium. The forces are considered to be balanced if the rightward forces are balanced by the leftward forces and the upward forces are balanced by the downward forces. A good example would be after an earth quake things settle to a permanant sate, having come to a state of Equilibrium. On the the origin of life on Earth , it is a case of organic compounds reacting to various stimuli. For example when we heat crystals of sugar , the chemical formula of which is C12H22O11, it melts ( a reaction) . When organic matters combine and become very complex, they become capable of reacting ( signs of life) to many varied stimuli. "Life "is just that i.e. reacting to multitudes of stimuli.
@FM-dm8xj
@FM-dm8xj Жыл бұрын
intersting how hitchens said he was his toughest debator but us sir know more i guess.
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
When all you have is faith in a belief system with no defensible theoretical substance or observational evidence in support, you are stuck with having to invent crap to explain the workings of the real world. Talk to any flat Earther and you will see this in full flight. Religion should keep well away from things scientific as it has nothing useful to contribute. Some scientists are able to enjoy the comfort of aspects of religion that are orthogonal to the essence of science, without feeling conflict. Would that religious apologists accept the patently useful and defensible offerings of science without feeling the need to claim ownership where none is available to them.
@1carlsworth
@1carlsworth Жыл бұрын
D"Souza - "I'm going to actually make an argument for the 'truth' of religion Me - "this should be good"
@duracelldave7604
@duracelldave7604 Жыл бұрын
Because you are the arbiter of truth and have studied theology and the bible for decades.
@jeffjones3040
@jeffjones3040 Жыл бұрын
@@duracelldave7604 ...It doesn't take that much study to see through that religious hogwash! At least not to someone with the ability to apply REASON.
@heinshaaine8153
@heinshaaine8153 Жыл бұрын
I hoped for something good too. D'Souza is the name many apologists invoke as a great thinker for theism. But his opening is pahetic. He starts witt he same washed out crime scene analogy that turek uses all the time, then continues with an argument from personal incredulity and is know making an argument from fine tuntig. is the repetition of the same bad faith arguments that all apologists repeat ad nauseam really the best he could do? I kinda lost my fait in theists here...
@lVideoWatcherl
@lVideoWatcherl Жыл бұрын
@@heinshaaine8153 It really is. I have also watched a good deal of debates where so-called theist 'thinkers' repeat these same issues over and over - and when you get down to the molecular level of the arguments, it is nearly always a god of the gaps argument. Really, close to *always.* There is one or two other arguments, like the morality argument, those however are of course not an argument _for_ god, but an argument for the _image_ of god, or a set of rules and ideals, which for the theists is religion, however which could just as well be (as it is) supplanted by societal rules and norms for morality. In fact, Hitchens makes a great case here how this is rather the way morality actually results in humans - societal views and norms are it, as the christian religion itself supported naziism and, even earlier, imperialism, as does the Russian orthodox church support Putin's imperialism today. If religion were to give an objective morality, then their moral standards were unchanging and indisputable. But they aren't, they are changing and they are _heavily_ disputed, both in the present and in retrospective of the past. All in all, theist 'arguments' are terribly weak. But what is to be expected of them, they are arguing for the reality of a hundreds of years old fiction-book with a few historical influences. Of course they are weak, and flawed to the core. And then religious people get offended when you compare their belief to believing that Harry Potter is real, which would be just as delusional.
@anonymousman4419
@anonymousman4419 Жыл бұрын
@@lVideoWatcherl I apply Sam Harris' policy when dealing with theists and pretend I am a polytheist. They get shocked when you put Greek gods at the same level of their beliefs.
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 Жыл бұрын
It is amazing how D'Souza's whole opening statement is entirely wrong from start to finish. Even based on information from a decade ago it's still wrong.
@nftscreenshotter6436
@nftscreenshotter6436 7 ай бұрын
dude basically said "durrr wHaT's A cElL?" 💀
@Al_Gonzo
@Al_Gonzo 6 ай бұрын
I think I never heard worse arguments than these. Multiple times I stopped the video and wondered whether he even gave 2 seconds of thought for the things he was saying because they were simply wrong or easily disprovable.
@cradenborg
@cradenborg 4 ай бұрын
You mean the argument about the way science works? The detective and the crime scene?
@User-19382
@User-19382 3 ай бұрын
Just cause you don’t believe it God doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
@aprylvanryn5898
@aprylvanryn5898 3 ай бұрын
@Joanne-19382 that's irrelevant. My beliefs have nothing to do with him being wrong about so much.
@dfhwze
@dfhwze 2 жыл бұрын
This is from an Era where 2 people having opposite views could still debate eachother.
@christopher5846
@christopher5846 2 жыл бұрын
Implying?
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
@@gertie9881 Or, if at a campus, the college simply bans anyone to the left of Mao. And if they dare let it go forward, the "woke" mob shouts it down anyone that doesn't agree with them 100%.
@LiamCameron77
@LiamCameron77 2 жыл бұрын
@@Christobanistan you say to the left of Mao like he wasn’t extremely far left.
@Christobanistan
@Christobanistan 2 жыл бұрын
​@@LiamCameron77 He wasn't. He believed strongly in free speech, didn't believe that "everything is racist," and he was very strongly anti-communist. Chris Hitchens was a classical liberal, as were most prominent non-political liberals until Trump took office and they all went fucking insane.
@burnerbrecks5
@burnerbrecks5 2 жыл бұрын
@@Christobanistan bro I agree with much of what you say but... Mao FOUNDED the largest communist party to ever exist
@seamless_rhymes
@seamless_rhymes Жыл бұрын
Sad I only discovered Hitchens today. What an incredibly well-spoken man. Sad to hear of his passing.
@CptFarlow
@CptFarlow Жыл бұрын
Hey my fiend, look at the bright side: you have a plethora of Hitchens' content to enjoy! I ghighly recommend the Intelligence Squared debate he did along with Stephen Fry.
@kenamarbi8108
@kenamarbi8108 Жыл бұрын
Same here
@zmo1ndone502
@zmo1ndone502 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the club brother....he who hear hitchens and is not immediately intrigued is dead inside n not a friend of mine
@dashlamb9318
@dashlamb9318 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Truly sad. But sadder still is the world has to hear garbage the cur dog D'Shih Tuz will barf up for the next 20 or 30 years.
@dandydan999
@dandydan999 Жыл бұрын
No worries, he is in a better place.
@Strype13
@Strype13 5 ай бұрын
This is one of the most one-sided rhetorical beatdowns I've ever witnessed. D'Souza was nowhere near a worthy adversary for a man of Hitchens' caliber.
@thetruthaboutscienceandgod2017
@thetruthaboutscienceandgod2017 5 ай бұрын
Please watch and share with others my four brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible, facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by Jesus Christ / The God of the Bible. And today's scientists agree with those facts! Thank you!
@WinrichNaujoks
@WinrichNaujoks 10 ай бұрын
So when science doesn't have an answer to difficult questions, D'Souza thinks it's God then.
@jayjonah83
@jayjonah83 10 ай бұрын
Welcome to theism
@Strype13
@Strype13 5 ай бұрын
Religion in a nutshell.
@henryeastwood1132
@henryeastwood1132 10 жыл бұрын
Dinesh's argument for god in this debate is the best argument for god I have ever heard especially the first part. Excellent work, awesome arguments, great debate.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 24 күн бұрын
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
@randomguy-kv7fx
@randomguy-kv7fx 3 жыл бұрын
It stuns me how this man can so meticulously scrutinize the scientific methods and somehow come to the conclusion that religion has all the answers.
@johnnyrocket5548
@johnnyrocket5548 3 жыл бұрын
Because all you’re science is theories also. This man is talking about things blowing up every second and ours is halfway there but never seems to tell us why or how he knows these things he’s just saying things
@enigmaticvaran6597
@enigmaticvaran6597 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyrocket5548 Scientific theory is different from the layman’s theory. Scientific theory is the culmination of tested propositions, for which their consensus are generally agreed upon unanimously, which can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena. This does not guarantee that the consensus will always be correct, but it is a far more coherent means of explaining the universe than staking baseless assertions such as “god did it.”
@drillermallen
@drillermallen 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyrocket5548 Scientific theories, as seen in the debate and elsewhere in research, have far better evidence and facts confirming them than saying that "god did it." Scientific theories, by definition, are rooted in fact, while the Christian religion is based off of a book written more than 2,000 years ago.
@jcboyle82
@jcboyle82 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyrocket5548the term “Scientific theory” is equitable to “mathematical law”. It means that it is at the point in the scientific world of being absolutely certain.
@frankcabanski9409
@frankcabanski9409 2 жыл бұрын
Religion does not deny science.
@WhiteBraveheart1
@WhiteBraveheart1 3 ай бұрын
The cancer was literally killing him in this debate. He had 46 days left before entering the emergency room.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
Breaking news. God has just won the Olympic gold medal for hide and seek, Jesus took a close silver and the Holy Spirit a very credible bronze. Reporters wanted to interview them but very sadly could not find the trio anywhere. Reuters.
@frankiemiller5364
@frankiemiller5364 3 жыл бұрын
I love how often they recommend books and others works for the audience to expand their knowledge
@toma3447
@toma3447 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Jesus loves you and I love you too!
@SameStory_NewEnding
@SameStory_NewEnding 3 жыл бұрын
@@alltimeklazzikz your obviously not talking to the right “religious “ people. I pray God puts the right one in your path.
@philipstalter4448
@philipstalter4448 3 жыл бұрын
these comments 😂
@Irishmule169
@Irishmule169 3 жыл бұрын
The religious slaves just won’t quit will they ???
@ksturmer5388
@ksturmer5388 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment!
@michaeloreilly2533
@michaeloreilly2533 Жыл бұрын
I wish people now could argue opposing positions in this respectful and articulate a manner.
@tomtalk24
@tomtalk24 Жыл бұрын
Seemed one sided, the other was on the attack.
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
@@tomtalk24 One sided for a good reason. Theists argue for the existence of a God, with no evidence whatever that can be assessed by an atheist. Until such time, the atheist can only wait. Just like flat Earthers - claiming that the Earth is flat, but having zip evidence for it, while endlessly demanding proof of a globe Earth, and denying all evidence provided.
@peternelson7048
@peternelson7048 Жыл бұрын
They can. It happens all the time.
@TheEverFreeKing
@TheEverFreeKing Жыл бұрын
@@tomtalk24 Yes D'Souza absolutely destroyed hitchins 😎👍
@bobemperorofbobkind6004
@bobemperorofbobkind6004 Жыл бұрын
@@TheEverFreeKing no he didn't literally every single scientific point he made was wrong
@hunterkovacs6071
@hunterkovacs6071 7 ай бұрын
And 363 days after this upload, there was a Vanity Fair memorial in his name. Rest well, Hitch.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@ymfemptyb6967
@ymfemptyb6967 3 ай бұрын
​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363delusional
@blackswan8653
@blackswan8653 Жыл бұрын
Whenever Dinesh pulls out the "look how evil humans can be" argument, it shows how inept his god is and was and will always be. A believer would hope that a god could stop all of the killing raping and pillaging of other people doing the "lord's" work, but for some reason, doesn't.
@philsymes
@philsymes Жыл бұрын
Because if it existed it would be a sadistic, childish, genocidal maniac. Just ask the children dying in the terminal wards of hospitals for example.
@rubbersole79
@rubbersole79 2 жыл бұрын
One day, a man was late for a very important meeting. As he approached his destination, he began to pray, "Oh God, If you'd just give me the perfect parking spot, I'll never take your name in vain again, I'll never miss church, I will faithfully tithe 10% of my gross earnings, I'll even......................"Never mind".
@ChristineMaryJCB
@ChristineMaryJCB Жыл бұрын
I give my seat to an old woman on the bus because I want to live in a kind and compassionate society. I know one day I will be old or disabled, and I'd like to live somewhere where we take care of each other. Tribes have always tried to take care of each other. Even insects do this. Humans are often great (other times terrible) and viewing everyone, and even animals like pets, as part of our tribe. I've also been raised and conditioned to do this. I've been taught this is a good thing to do. I've been conditioned to feel good when I help others. But for every person like me who would give up a seat, there is at least one able-bodied person who will not. Morality is not the same for everyone.
@ottobthomas6254
@ottobthomas6254 Жыл бұрын
Well a lot of tribes practiced incest and cannibalism and as an atheist I would say giving up your seat is wrong and weak…and if there is no gods how can you say I’m wrong, maybe my morals are correct….. who can say
@RandyWinn42
@RandyWinn42 Жыл бұрын
exactly right. Dinesh is arguing that evolution would have lead us to a morality that is a savage contest of all vs all, but that's just silly. A society (or at least a tribe) with general benevolence toward people beyond reproductive age is a side-effect of being a society of more general cooperation. The advantage humans have over most other animals derives as much from our ability to work together as anything else - yes, even intelligence - no single cave man with a spear took down a mastodon.
@crystalparker2542
@crystalparker2542 Жыл бұрын
This comment still does absolutely nothing to explain why you would do any of these "morally good" things. There is nothing in your comment that shows why you would do any of the things you mentioned. You may want to do good, but why? You've been taught to do good, but why?
@RandyWinn42
@RandyWinn42 Жыл бұрын
@@crystalparker2542 They give at least 3 reasons for doing so: 1. "I want" = simple personal preference 2. "One day I will be old" = self-interest in promoting a society that cares for the elderly 3. "Tribal" = an observable fact about the nature of humanity.
@crystalparker2542
@crystalparker2542 Жыл бұрын
@@RandyWinn42 with all due respect, that still doesn't cut it. Humans "want" to do many things, good and bad. Simply "because i want to" does not explain why you'd want to. And frankly, the second reason is more based in the self. Saying, "well I'll be old someday" may help explain giving up a seat on a bus, but that doesn't cover many supposedly "moral" ideas we have or things we do. And even that doesn't cut it when it comes down to it because there's still the open "why" when it comes down to taking care of the elderly. I would hope that people's only reason would not be to expect something in return. And as far as being "tribal" and that being an observable fact, i agree that it is. But then there's still the "why". Why is that? Why would we take care of each other? If it's only for selfish reasons, like the "I'll be old one day" example, in which we expect something in return, then there would be many cases that we would be absolutely immoral because we simply aren't gonna get a return on that investment. Not every decent, moral choice is going to be something one gets a return on. We all know that. I was raised in a Christian home, but i have questioned it all for the better part of my 45 years because i was also taught that it's not a good thing to believe simply because my parents and grandparents did. God would know the difference in that type of "belief" anyway. Imo, one has to find their own path to belief or non belief. Not just that of their parents. To truly believe, you have to search for yourself and find it. Now, don't get me wrong, there are so many benefits to being raised in a truly Christian home. I'm certainly not advising against it. But once my children reached an age of being able to understand it, i told them they needed to question it all and make their own decisions to believe or not. It has to be studied and one has to look deep. Otherwise, you only believe because your parents did and i don't see that as a good thing. One has to believe because they truly do and because they have searched for themselves. Again, that doesn't mean i am against parents raising their children with Christian morals or values, and it can be helpful in that search. But one needs to find it for themselves as well. So, in my younger years, this is what I did, and in my search, it makes the most sense to me and seems pretty apparent that a moral authority is necessary. It also seems evident to me in many ways. Just in the world period. Especially the world of 2023 makes it very apparent to me that God is needed and that He exists. Very much so. But i have no hatred for anyone who does not believe. We are called to love our neighbor. We are called to have a general love for mankind. I do however have hatred for the sinful decisions and choices that "no God" allows people to make.
@pedrogaya5558
@pedrogaya5558 Жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me how some people think that life is such a particular thing. Just because something happened as a consequence of reality, does not mean it was intended. As a matter of fact, if another universe were here, it might very well feel just as entitled.
@Amy-un6xg
@Amy-un6xg 6 ай бұрын
Seriously? On what basis do you believe there was no intention behind the existence of life? As in, what makes you believe it came into existence via random, non-guided events?
@christopherpcline
@christopherpcline 6 ай бұрын
@@Amy-un6xg Because if God created life, why did he put the same genetic defects in a way that we can trace through evolution? The laryngeal nerve is a perfect example, it exists in fish, it also exists in giraffes in which it travels from one side of the heart, all the way up the neck and back down again instead of travelling a few inches. If God was intelligent he wouldn't design such a thing, and even if he did design such a thing it would be evidence that these things evolved (which we know they did through scientific study) and not evidence of God. All God needs to do to prove himself is eliminate all childhood poverty and suffering which he either cannot do or won't do so God is either impotent or evil, neither of which are worthy of worship.
@he191254
@he191254 6 ай бұрын
Amen! Well said.
@pocketdust2450
@pocketdust2450 5 ай бұрын
@@Amy-un6xg We can conclude that nature has natural intentions such as physics and biochemistry. Why could it not be random? That's the simplest explanation but we could complicate it. Simple explanation: Entity 1 came into contact with Entity 2 which caused a reaction and created Entity 3. """Complex""" explanation: Entity 1 came to exist 28 billion years ago, Entity 2 is only 7 million years old, they have roughly 0.[insert 28 nonillion zeroes]1% chance to come into contact per year, but they do not have to come into contact with each other, there are more particles out there so for all we know Entity 1 could react with Entity 585825 instead of Entity 2, hence why it is random. What we know is that this Entity 1 came into contact with something which in turn caused a reaction which in turn made an other entity, now repeat this a fair few times and you have a plant for example. I know, crazy but we have nothing else that could explain it sensibly, and we do not know what happened before these entities came into existence. You may ask "But how did Entity 1 and Entity 2 came to exist?", but we cannot answer that so do not pretend that you can, we can only work with what we have and we do not have the first ever thing to exist so we can't really study it nor where it came from.
@mitchellmaness3517
@mitchellmaness3517 5 ай бұрын
Silopsism..... You look out into the void and think you have some kind of holy purpose in it. It's selfish to think that granted, there is an incomprehensible amount of galaxy, stars, planets, etc. And to conclude that your more important than it itself.
@Sandhoeflyerhome
@Sandhoeflyerhome 4 ай бұрын
One speaker spoke of the Big Bang, this in support of his religious position, how funny, that certainty has now washed away, found to be false, making DeSousa’s point mute.
@GOD1stykit
@GOD1stykit 4 ай бұрын
Not at all sir, it’s what is behind that big bang is the question in that sense!!!
@briancollins1296
@briancollins1296 7 жыл бұрын
You know, I love how great a speaker Hitchens was. If you wrote down everything he said it would make for almost as compelling a read as his writings. Great speaker and writer, and there's hardly a day where I don't miss him.
@GoodAvatar
@GoodAvatar 4 жыл бұрын
How strange is it to miss someone that you never met, and didn't know that you ever lived?? But I understand. I miss the Hitch, too. He wasn't always right, but he changed my mind on about a dozen subjects. I miss speakers with that much verbosity and charm and wit. As the saying goes, we'll never see his like again...
@Johnny-dp5mu
@Johnny-dp5mu 4 жыл бұрын
most importantly Brian is the fact based logic of Hitchen's words of WISDOM -- he is 1000% correct. all of history of man supports him
@armchairrockstar186
@armchairrockstar186 4 жыл бұрын
I totally miss him dude
@knowthycell
@knowthycell 4 жыл бұрын
Down with capitalism
@catherinethomas1977
@catherinethomas1977 4 жыл бұрын
After watching the crime of Jeffrey Lundgren, i was searching for answers about why religion is so dangerous and the I found CH.
@camcam8995
@camcam8995 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not a debate, it’s a matter of facts vs opinion
@petyrkowalski9887
@petyrkowalski9887 Жыл бұрын
And theistic wishful thinking
@markcredit6086
@markcredit6086 Жыл бұрын
I agree that drunk hitch has no facts and appeals to the low IQ crowd
@phildavenport4150
@phildavenport4150 Жыл бұрын
@@petyrkowalski9887 ...which has driven every organized religion for the last however many thousands of years.
@MegaDonzee
@MegaDonzee 9 ай бұрын
D'Souza prattles on but cannot make a strong stand, he explains nothing.
@trackingthealgorithm221
@trackingthealgorithm221 7 ай бұрын
It’s ok to not believe in god. It’s ok to believe in god. If you don’t, you need to understand why some people do. If you do, you need to understand why people don’t. That’s why I love conversations like this. It helps you better understand people that think differently from you. I’m in sales, pretty successful at it too. Because I take great joy in learning how other people think. It’s a powerful tool.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Ай бұрын
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
@mitchellstrong
@mitchellstrong 8 жыл бұрын
After listening to Dinesh's opening statement( up to the 35th minute) I became an atheist. Good going Dinesh.
@elspethgunnoe
@elspethgunnoe 5 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it. They describe him as "esteemed." If you consider a conspiracy theorist an authority, then I guess?
@viktorsebastien604
@viktorsebastien604 5 жыл бұрын
You must be very intelligent! ;). Though... you should try Jesse Lee Peterson
@swift_stix-tre9594
@swift_stix-tre9594 4 жыл бұрын
Try pastor Gino Gennings.
@JPX7NGD
@JPX7NGD 4 жыл бұрын
yet hitchens stormed out after the debate admitting he lost.
@tommasosantojanni
@tommasosantojanni 4 жыл бұрын
The opposite happened to me!
@highachiemytale6743
@highachiemytale6743 3 жыл бұрын
Scientology proves people believe in anything
@oldscorp
@oldscorp 3 жыл бұрын
Good point! If scientologists exist we shouldnt be too hard on people who believe that time, matter, space and energy can pop into existence out of nothing, without a cause or that life can be spawned by lifeless rock in warm water, without any kind of evidence of that hapening anywhere/anytime in nature.
@technomage6736
@technomage6736 3 жыл бұрын
@@oldscorp Indeed, and we also should go easy on those who believe a god could just pop into existence out of nothing and without a cause, without any kind of evidence of that happening anywhere/anytime in nature ;)
@ghost_of_jah5210
@ghost_of_jah5210 3 жыл бұрын
Techno Mage woah you turned it😨
@ghost_of_jah5210
@ghost_of_jah5210 3 жыл бұрын
Open Mind Closed Fist bro I did not understand that last half of your comment at all.
@Raccon_Detective.
@Raccon_Detective. 3 жыл бұрын
@Open Mind Closed Fist And the book is full of contradictions and fake facts like how the Egyptians inslaved the Israelites but later go debunked.
@landor7610
@landor7610 8 ай бұрын
Listening to D'Souza hurts my brain. How can you be that old and educated and still believe in your arguments? I think it's because he doesn't really doesn't understand Atheism or Science.
@foodchewer
@foodchewer 8 ай бұрын
Because he's trying to con American conservatives, like many "conservative" figures in this country
@jared30
@jared30 4 ай бұрын
He raises a fair point though nobody knows how life started
@arah2368
@arah2368 8 ай бұрын
God of the gaps galore with a healthy sprinkling of the watchmaker argument.
@bradschaeffer5736
@bradschaeffer5736 7 ай бұрын
Dinesh offers the best case of all the Hitch v. [Name here] debates I've seen. Very interesting. Usually Hitchens destroys them. Dinesh holds his own here.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 6 ай бұрын
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@Strype13
@Strype13 5 ай бұрын
You've got to be kidding. The entire foundation of D'Souza's introductory argument was built on a blatantly false premise. At no point was he "holding his own." He essentially set himself up to lose the debate before it had even started. This is one of the most one-sided rhetorical beatdowns I've ever witnessed. D'Souza was nowhere near a worthy adversary for a man of Hitchens' caliber.
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
@@Strype13 All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@dexterwarrington8615
@dexterwarrington8615 3 жыл бұрын
This is such an interesting debate. It's unfortunate that the volume could not be adjusted upward so that it could be more easily heard.
@johnlepage5486
@johnlepage5486 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with that. I had to set my volume on the highest setting in order to hear them.
@eddieclark9802
@eddieclark9802 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your grammar. 😊
@jennief7114
@jennief7114 3 жыл бұрын
It is only for Hitchens! Like you I was so aggravated, glad to "hear" no pun intended that it was just not me!
@MrDorbel
@MrDorbel 3 жыл бұрын
I heard every word clearly.
@paigeann6738
@paigeann6738 3 жыл бұрын
"Volume could not be adjusted upward" 😂😂😂
@the5thYearSeniors
@the5thYearSeniors Жыл бұрын
Imagine the number of books Hitch would have written if dictation software was more advanced before he died. It is incredible how much he could write with his chicken peck typing skills
@TheEverFreeKing
@TheEverFreeKing Жыл бұрын
And all of it would have been garbage.
@mynames7664
@mynames7664 Жыл бұрын
@@TheEverFreeKing why do you say that lol
@t-yu
@t-yu Жыл бұрын
@@mynames7664 Because they're a moron
@CarlosMartinez-dh3hc
@CarlosMartinez-dh3hc Жыл бұрын
@@mynames7664 because he doesn't believe in science lol
@mynames7664
@mynames7664 Жыл бұрын
@@CarlosMartinez-dh3hc I’m confused what aspect of science is it he doesn’t believe in? Or science as a whole?
@victormonreale9217
@victormonreale9217 11 ай бұрын
Hitchens we miss you, do not be afraid of death , after all we were dead for 4 billions years , and we did just find.
@164procar4
@164procar4 8 ай бұрын
Hitchens what a legend!!
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@randomworkings3600
@randomworkings3600 5 ай бұрын
Did you listen to D’Souza?
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 5 ай бұрын
@@randomworkings3600 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@randomworkings3600
@randomworkings3600 5 ай бұрын
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I appreciate your evangelization, but I am a practicing Catholic. God bless.
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