Just subbed to Corey. PS, the video was great.

Cory does have an awesome channel, thanks for puttin me onto him awhile back

I covered this subject over at the MawInstallation a while ago. www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?

The Ones are ascended Celestials who gave themselves form again after having ascended, like the Bedlam Spirits.

Do you play MTG

BURN IN HOLY FIRE!!!!!

One black fortress in a galaxy far, far away could do a tremendous amount of damage...

Warh ammner 40k, more spiciuficaly imperium of man

Oh shit. Call the Inquisition!

THIS HERESY SHALL BE PURGED

Treethegreat yep, that's the name.

Eckhartsladder is a Theros fan confirmed

Well, the force is magic. Which is why star wars is a space fantasy not sci fi

I run a Kruphix commander deck. It’s a great ramp card advantage hybrid with x spells galore, and perhaps the very definition of a battlecruiser deck. I’ll have to call it the _Praetor Class_ from now on.

Where are my eldrazi titans

its wild but you forget most of it almost immediately.

Uh yes. Leto the second from dune

Why is this comment not pinned?

Imagine the infinite nothing you would see after the universe fizzled out

@Joshua Sharwood i was given morphine as an 8 year old child nd other than not feeling pain nothng happened

Ya the deity of the gonk driods

Gonk!

Girly Knight if I wanna be honest here, from the lore source I found, there were for sure good and evil droid gods in the ancient Star Wars galaxy. So if the Celestials wanted to, they could make Gonk Droid a god for droids everywhere 😂

You laugh now, but their is litteraly a religion in star wars following them

Heil the mighty gonk

Isak Isak true

The Mortis, the Merrier. Oh well...😞

Imagine Ascended Anakin Skywalker vs Abeloth Of course ascended Anakin is Anakin if he stayed on Mortis

''vader would have never existed and the galaxy would not go to ruin'' vader was the chosen one and the one who killed palpatine dude

@@pauloricardo-wn6ps assuming the Jedi found out who Sidious is Mace would finish him

So there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

I like that idea. Reminds me of how Kirby is the "God" of Marvel, or the concept of CHIM in the Elder Scrolls. Or the Old Ones from Cabin in the Woods.

Fargoth Ur The Old Ones are Lovecraft, iirc.

They’re the writers in the beginning of the movie

Wait, you mean nobody cleans those words up? They're just floating out in space where anybody can crash into them?

Josh they never even died. They were forced to leave the current galaxies alone to work with the rest of the universe since all sapient organic loss their grace eons ago. And it is possible to kill a Celestial (Typhojem and The Cult of Five did) but its impossible to destroy them...

I still enjoyed the joke bro

@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky the Celestials had already departed the living realm by the time The Infinite Empire started its first interstellar conquests. The Rakata waged war with the Celestials' "Firstborn" races and The Firstborns' very own genetically engineered offspring races. The Rakatan species themselves are evil mutants created from abducted Gungans on their homeworld of Lehon that were forever transformed via genetic experimentation by Cold Danda Sine (a fallen celestial child) in the depths of Otherspace; an abysmal alternate dimension. The Celestials were forbade by "The Supreme Maker" to dwell with their fallen creations after they turned away from them in favor of sin and warfare. The Rakata and other terrible races that came to inhabit the galaxy all those eons ago were usually unholy abominations made by Cold Danda Sine and released upon the normal galaxy to sow chaos and death to the Celestial crafted universe. Through the jealousy and simmering hatred of Tilotny, the curious and morally indifferent Cold Danda Sine, the apathy of Horliss-Horliss, and the naivete andintellect of Splendid Ap, the galaxy and universe would fall into disarray and eternal strife. Forever would there be war among the stars; at least unti the Greater Restoration. For tend of thousands of years if heinous and supernatural warfare would wage across the galaxy and be known collectively as The Cosmic Wars. History of this conflict and its influence across the galaxy and the greater universe would devolve into myth and legend just a few millennia after it had ended at the hand of a divinely transformed Horliss-Horliss. By the time of The First Alsakan Conflict history on The Cosmic Wars was all but lost to time so by the time of The Galactic Empire almost all knowledge of the terrible ancient conflict was gone. Only those who had the strongest of mental fortitude and went to the greatest of archaeological researching could unearth the long forgotten tales of The Cosmic Wars and what unholy dangers lurked beyond the veil of percieved reality...

@ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky I knew you'd start going off about this. Good; shows you have interest in the topic. Okay, if you'd be so kind as to read the entirety of this (sadly unpublished) Star Wars novel I'd be eternally grateful. Link is here -> www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm This novel details the very beginning of the Star Wars universe, its early history and nicely ties up several (but not all) loose ends that plagued Legends. If you're a lore guys then this should be a quite enjoyable read. If not and you like simpler explanations of things and events then this will be quite the complicated ride. Also a fair warning, Joe Bongiorno's writing style takes influence from H.P. Lovecraft. Lots of adjectives 😄

@@blackshogun272 And where did you get this information?

"There is no mercy for those who oppose the Imperium of Man" - some space marine, M41.

@@robertnelson9599 *Doom Slayer arrives*

Pius Dea Crusaders cathedral ships reference, most likely. After all, they never were found after their blind mass jump to hyperspace

@@KapnKrowe Imagine a story where someone found the ships, and they were full of the descendants of the original crusaders, indoctrinated into their xenophobic ways with no hope of being reconciled.

@@robertnelson9599They weren't in one place, they were randomly scattered throughout the galaxy to prevent anyone from getting them together. Good luck finding them in the void.

Are they? Whills were microscopic

Thank god it never came to that

@@Audifaram All the sequel lovers see anything that would be a different sequel trilogy and go "Thank GOD we didn't have that" as if the sequels are even good

Unclear how it would have panned out. Also, he kept changing what the Whills were.

@@Reimastered The Whills are way too out there for most people. They're better left out.

Also, it is an accelerated view of time...

AlindBack yeah, even in the deep lore it isn't stated that they created very thing just by thinking of it and it being there. They warped the raw cosmic material of the universe over eons until the current universe resembled their original one...

So the celestials are living space magic then..

@@cancelanime1507 to sum it up quickly and kinda precisely, yeah 🤣

@@cancelanime1507 you look rather alive for being a ghost

All Father Jar Jar 😁

He's the one in charge of making the Disney timeline...

#darthjarjar

@@etazeta674 Well that explains it

Grey Femling he wasn’t that bad to do that

Joe Smeeth yeah, my subtitles were going wild...

*Soviet Theme Intensifies*

Considering the Vong's ships were alive and their warriors were biologically engineered, I doubt it.

Yeah, they are living things. All of their tech is living, so all of it should be dependent on some form of immune system. Their armor, at least, had an allergic reaction to Bafforr tree pollen. But, the Yuuzhan Vong quickly developed antigens for most of their most obvious ailments, the ones and there stuff that didn’t, likely died off.

One point to consider is that they scouts checking out the GFFA going back to about 4000 bby. So it’s possible that they secretly gathered samples from across the galaxy to beef up their immunities.

The Vong were from a different galaxy. They had no immune system built up to fight the viruses and diseases native to the star wars galaxy.

@@TechnoMinarchist but they were bioengineering masters so they understood the ideas and could work out how to avoid it.

Same.

They're more like Star Gates Ancients.

I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?

Who is more powerful the Celestials or the Precursors?

@@PackHunter117 The Celestials literally transcended the mortal world.

Imagine jar jar on high ground

@@sohums.6107 Our power combined is too overpowered

@@parklez3250 it would be outrageous, and unfair!

@@sohums.6107 Not even abeloth is THAT evil

Abaloth is the high ground incarnate

PolillaBenG I love how wrong he actually is. His ego by the "end" of his life was so big it could engulf entire sectors 😂

@@blackshogun272 He was in denial: he could sense himself fading from existance and was unwilling to accept that anything so "beneath" himself could cause his ultimate demise. So he called himself a God as a way to reject his own mortality even when dying.

@@jakobrenner2230 but I'm not gonna lie, he went out like a savage and with a bang...

@@jakobrenner2230 When was he fading?

Olympus family

4# Admiral Ackbar Hmmmm 🤔

@@wyd_marco4107 5*

@@panpsalt6757my bad

@@wyd_marco4107 I SHALL NEVER FORGIVE YOU SINNER

Welllllll whaddaya know

Yeti Jizz

David Curtis disgusting...

@@blackshogun272 does wampa urine sound better?

BlackShogun 27 D I S C O S T A N G

@@neoknight9180 which one uf yuz forgot how to flush the toilet after they've had a S H E T?

But all these memories will be lost, like nerfherders in a sarlacc...

EwoK God!! 😃😄

Wait, the Celestials are just advanced civilizations going back in time, you think?

@@thalmoragent9344 From what we know about them, they qualify for a Type III civilization. Quite literally. Not just like galactic civilizations that we see in Star Wars and Star Trek and others. But, a civilization that can basically do whatever they want, including collapsing the cores of stars from across the Galaxy, creating your own Star systems and setting up galactic barriers, and all in such a way that modern galactic civilization can only wonder about. What I’m proposing is that what they mean by Celestrials might just be refer to all pre-historical type III civilizations that not only left their tech or evidence of their tech that’s far beyond them, behind, but also that they have no knowledge of who or what they were. I mean, I know that this takes place “A Long, Long Time Ago…”. but the ingredients and conditions for life as know it just here on Earth date back at least 3.5 billion years, for the universe it dates back to about 7.5 billion years ago with a short period within the 1st one billion years after the beginning where the ambient temperature of space itself was “room temperature” and oxygen is the 3rd most abundant element in the universe and readily bonds with hydrogen. Meanwhile the oldest peoples and that know about only date back to about a million years, perhaps only a few million years in regards to ‘the Ones’. To put it another way; The history of Galactic civilization dates; 2.5*10^4 years. + 1.2*10^4 yrs for the pre-Republic, pre-Jedi era. What they know about who they call the Celestials; X*10^6 years For life in the universe; 8*10^9 years with a small chance at 13*10^9 And artificially, it’s theoretically possible to extend the years of your civilization into the future by; X*10^36 years if you are willing to live around the supermassive or ultramassive blackholes in the center of your Galaxy. With your only light source being completely artificial beyond maybe a few low mass stars that your people created since the last natural stars died out X*10^15 years after the beginning. And you could possibly extend that span to the next best thing to infinity if you are creative and willing to upload all of your people into a simulation with a crazy high time dilation. So I don’t see the problem with saying what and who they mean by ‘the Celestrials’ might be an agglomeration of all prehistoric civilizations that left advanced tech behind. And being opportunistic scavengers, it’s quite possible that the Rakata might not have invented hyperdrive as we give them credit for. It’s just that the modern hyperdrive was based off their version of the tech, since earlier FTL is possible in Star Wars and earlier people’s obviously got around the Galaxy somehow. I’ve always had a problem with how short most SciFi extends back in time. And then we get to series’ ‘Mass Effect’ where ‘the Reapers’ as we know them were created at least a billion years ago. Or like ‘the Expanse’ and we have an ancient Type III civilization on the scale like the Celestrials called ‘the Builders’ who date back at least 5 billion years and went extinct 1 or 2 billion years back.

​@@eds1942exactly, the rakata were only 50k years before the movies

@@bobafett4457 ~36k to 27k. Or about the time the Force users that developed into the precursor of the Jedi Order where on Tython.

@@eds1942 goddamn it you're right, idk how I got this wrong I read the comics last week lol. Anyway, in our terms 30+k years is a lot but in star wars idk why but it feels like not so much

Had just rewatched those Clone Wars episodes, saw the thumbnail, and was so like "let us gain more understanding." 😂

They had the best arc in the whole show

Nice vid, by the way.

I forgot why I'm here nice

So... what do ya think?

I’d say nice comment, but I didn’t read it

@@rollinthunder1000 pretty solid to be honest

First thing I noticed. Storing some colorless mana, are we?

@@shelbycrandell6354 I plan on using it next turn

hmm

Wait .. this isnt the commander's quarters

Abeloth: "Hold my omnipotent tentacles"

The Spirits of Bedlam>>Abeloth

The Force family are Celestials who gave themselves form, like the Bedlam Spirits. I covered this subject a while ago over at the MawInstallation www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?

I always thought it would be cool if someone made a vague reference to the first humans in the Star Wars galaxy coming from the Ancients home galaxy. It's possible, seeing as how both the Gree and Kwa had stargate like travel devices that supposedly (at least for the Kwa) came from Celestial knowledge

Plus, did you read Supernatural Encounters, online? Starwarstimeline.com?

chris sonofpear1 oh my God ! Someone else has read that too !? I loved that shit bruh ! That's the lore and stories I've been searching for since the Disney Buyout. But sadly all of their stories pale in comparison to the imaginations of EU writers. Cuz from Jon's novella and article, it proves that all the ugly and good in Legends can be pieced together to make a quite interesting history and story 😎

DIEGhostfish yeah no kidding not to mention the marvel Race of the same name

yep, I linked it in the description. There are no pics of the celestials, and this pretty much matches their description.

Luke Skywalker.

Yes! Spoiler for the Knights of the Old Republic comics though. Demagol, a Zeltron, was at least 40s-50s with teenage-to-early-20s children of his own when he first consciously used the Force.

They weren't gods and the beings of Mortis were Celestials who had given themselves form.

Jacen Solo so have you learned this lore from the same source as I ?

@@blackshogun272 I detail my research here www.reddit.com/r/MawInstallation/comments/ep1473/unknown_regions_celestials_alternative_universes/?

Bit of an interesting addition, Wutzek was meant to be a fallen Celestial and ended up creating the Bedlam Spirits which took the form of his negative traits. Tilotny is his vanity, Horliss-Horliss is his remoteness, Cold Danda Sine is his impatience and Splendid Ap is his apathy; apparently it got so bad that he intended to kill them which only made the situation become so much worse.

Jacen Solo Impressive my friend. I went to StarWarsTimeline.com a while back and read Supernatural Encounters and Cult Encounters and the lore/exposition dump is so massive you'll have an aneurism realizing just how much shit really happened in Star Wars Legends 😎

Battle of the Dreadnoughts -- A Star Wars Short Film

Thor’s Hammer you are talking about Star Trek wrong fandom.

@@rhysdajani3618 Eckhartsladder did Star Trek videos before there's nothing wrong about it.

The Dark Side is a sickness of the Soul.

Lucas oversaw that episode. Even made adjustments.

Lucas actually worked on the Mortis arc, so I don’t think it would’ve gotten made if he didn’t okay it. My personal interpretation is that “balance” merely refers to a state of peace within the force. Whether that peace is attained through there being no darkness at all, or by ensuring that darkness doesn’t overpower light, it’s still “balance.” I think this especially makes sense when you see how much dark side shit Luke does in Ep VI, like choking guards.

I’m gonna echo what everyone else said- Lucas signed off on the Mortis arc.

A mouse, black of fur with a tan face. He wore red shorts with white gloves. For he was the end of the universe as they knew it.

Well I guess he saw that the war he has fight in and are already become a victim off would never end. Tjat the circle of violence, victory and defeat would hold this galaxy forever in his grip (as Kreia understand it).

The holiday special. He took it with him to save us all.

Enough debris and burned/melted particles in space could resemble smoke.

Nah Disney ain't smart enough to make new ideas

Why not luke and leia