If you have the time, I would love to know the tracks you used for this video Amazing

Please do the Norton vs Ali analysis

I just bought a copy of your book! I can't wait to get it

Could u pls make a miguel cotto or evander holyfield breakdown

stoked to get this graphic novel!

Same with Hagler Leonard. Both made millions and wrote the golden letters of combat sports. We have to see the half full glass.

@@t.m.t3215 Yeah, even though Hagler won that fight as well IMO, he is forever seated in the fabulous 4...just such a shame he was so underrated and treated so poorly

@@abigmonster8457 You can argue he also lost that fight. But the manner he was treated as a whole during his career was indeed scandalous

@@t.m.t3215 how was he treated? I'm curious.

@@PotatoSlices When he became the middleweight champion, people boo'd him and took away his moment of glory, throwing beer cans and popcorn on him. He was also robbed on some fights and nobody really wanted to fight him because he was a southpaw, which in turn made him become a switchfighter.

Man foh with that oldhead mentality plenty of modern fighters have that integrity

95' Leo LOL no they don’t

Leonard did not lose the fight. !! Who cares what Ray said he has no say after the bell rings. I saw this fight, Ray landed more punches, but it was when and how he landed them. Both KD's were evened out as 9/9 rounds. That gives him the draw.

SRL's corner told him at the end of rd 11, ' You need to KO him to win ' I think its fair to say that these Guys know more about Boxing than we do, in fairness to Ray, he tried desperately but just failed, I had Tommy winning by 2pts but in reality , Tommy needed to KO Leonard to win this fight, which is very wrong . We have to be honest here Guys, if Leonard floored Tommy twice in seperate rds and it went the distance , the exact same way here, do you honestly think it would have been a draw?

Hearns didn't win.Check the score cards. Ray was disappointed in his performance.

@Mexican noob I wonder. The clean-cut hero had a lot of problems. He had some issues in his past, then this rep to live up to -- it's a reason a lot of folks self-medicate.

You thinkin about writing a script about the Kings? Just curious. (Who wouldn't love to see HBO do something about the four?)

@Mexican Catholic I'm good. Thanks! Mickey Mantle, any number of great "All-American boys," baseball players during the golden era, took greenies, a kind of amphetamine to make it through double-headers. The great Joe Louis, post-career, had a serious heroin problem people are only writing about now, (at length), which is tragic since Louis is not only a great fighter but genuinely good man, someone who didn't manage post-career earnings quite well, fallen on hard times, pray to addiction as "self-medicating." Then we have Sonny Liston's death, alone a subject of controversy -- (the mob: if Liston, see the Mob) -- Liston fought only six months before (I believe) passing, in his mid-to-late 40s, and nearly undefeated since his bizarre second loss to an Ali still calling himself Clay. It's a huge unfair advantage. Imagine between rounds: a bump; then a B12-shot; some morphine for pain... what have you, that is: if you can still get off the stool; boggles the mind.

The Era in which these legends boxed in says it all bro... Escobar/cocaine in general was in its prime in those years it’s crazy..

Wasnt expecting an ippo reference, but much apprecitated

I was thinking about it too!

It is even called the "hitman" style And seeing it in action in video is amazing

yeah, ippo mentions Hearns after learn mashiba uses the flicker jab

@@arpendragon9076 It was Takamura who mentioned Hearns first to Ippo.

The boxers said Leonard lost. The judges, and the audience, wondered what loser had entered the ring. I almost think the draw was not called to be accurate, but to let everyone know that to call a loser in that brawl would almost be lying in a way. It was too good a fight by both competitors to say any one of them truly lost.

Leonard also admitted that Hagler beat him. He whispered that in Hagler's ear before the decision...

@@gl6996 according to hagler

@@mollkatless If you watch the actual fight you can hear Leonard tell Hagler "You beat me, man. You beat me!" And you can see Hagler's response as if to thank Sugar Ray...

any kudos he might have possessed was absent when he shockingly & shamelessly manipulated DL into fighting....colluding with the corrupt WBC president JS. JS conjuring up the SMW category for SRL & forcing DL down to 168 lbs (7 lbs under the LHW limit) with a 1m dollar penalty to his purse for every pound he weighed in over 168. Leonard made the lower limit in his tracksuit with the pockets filled with coins. So SRL won the WBC SMW & LHW titles against an emaciated DL, despite not making the weight. no kudos in that fiasco, right?

You can't go wrong with the Kings... HBO needs to cast this... tell a story I would give a damn about; trace a decade through four diverse men.

Roberto Duran vs Marvin Hagler breakdown

Bro the story of those 4 packed in a well made show with around 12 episodes would be THE thing ​@ChuckCoulter7572

Shockadellic I don’t think you know boxing as much as you think you do.

@@shockadellick The exact opposite is true. Sugar was poster child and beloved. Doing all those commercials and always on camera. Anytime there was a close fight the outcome always went his way. Ray said he lost. What more do you want.

Shockadellic Did you erase your comment? Cause I have a long winded response from you but it’s not in this comment section.

Shockadellic Ok then. Now as for your response, are you implying that Hearns utilized rabbit punches to knowdown Leonard down? That’s not true, if you see the fight, Hearns managed to catch Leonard off guard and put him down fair and square. Also where did you get the idea that Leonard is ‘hated’. I know there are people that don’t like SRL because of his personality and fight with Hagler but never because he made Duran quit. And you wish that SRL would’ve said that he had stomach cramps against Duran in Montreal? You are not making any sense, SRL lost to Duran because he fell for Duran’s tactics and style of brawling. As for your Pacquiao comment, what are you trying to say? Are you bashing Pacquiao or the fans themselves?

I’m legitimately confused by your comments.

Imagine if you had bet money on this fight !

I agree. Ray boxed & pushed more. Ray threw & landed more too. At the end, Hearne just survived

@@reasonforliving3174 But Hearns dominated numerous rounds and pounded Leonard to the canvas twice. Both men had pushed the other too their limits.

I swear I don't know what the hell fight SRL fans watch.. Jesus Christ Leonard fans are the freaking worst...

@@jameslough6329 Valid attempt, but you can't talk rational logic with Leonard fans... Worst fans in boxing.. It's literally a waste of effort.

So true, Mr. Jones; I'd love to see a Springs Toledo type of boxing history book, or a Netflix doc from MMA.

You're so right! I just stumbled upon him and watched about 5 of his videos so far and his story telling got me hooked!

It's like Summoning Salt for martial arts

I’ve been watching him now this is my 4th year! David is the Absolute best!

Imo Ali, Hearns and maybe liston had the best jabs

@@dontatmebitches Holmes ?

@@artLopez24 nah not imo

So did ali so we thought

bump... and my opinion: Leonard won.

I think Leonard won the fight by 1 point. I don't think it was a robbery, but the point difference from that judge that scored it with a wide point margain was either deluded because of his bias or payed off. The fight could've went either way but as I said I gave it to Leonard. That's just my opinion though

On balance i gave it to Leonard as well. It was tight, and his style was flamboyant so always looks more effective, but on the punches actually landed, i think it was enough.

There are just too many close rounds to score with 100% accuracy. But I'd say Hagler lost the fight. Because of his arrogance. If he had fought normally from the first round, Hagler probably would've won.

Prediction? Im sure you meant opinion.

Agreed

Had the more skillful and consistent jab but Listons was more powerful

Quell Ebreo - I said powerful. Liston could knock you out with his Jab.

I was just a bit too young to have seen Liston fight in real time, but I remember my dad describing his jab as being like a telephone pole. I didn't realize at the time that "like a telephone pole" was a cliché, but watching tapes of Liston's fights later, the cliché was definitely based in fact. Joe Louis had a great, piston-like jab. Down in the middleweight division, GGG at his best has an all-time great, bust-up-your-face jab too.

James Underwood Alis jab

sugar sean - I said powerful

Boxing at its Zenith Those were the days 😪

Normal men taking that punch would have been decapitated

One thing about SRL, he could roll off a punch with his head and shoulders like no other. I'm SRL fan

lol

Bump

We saw it twice. Holyfield broke that ass down! lol

Yeah “The Modern Martial Artist” can tell us that the “real deal” won the head-butting game

How about the second time Norton beat Ali -- you can find Ali on KZfaq admit it, saying the scoring went wrong.

Chuck Coulter Sry didnt see your comment before. Ali said it after 3rd fight, and to be honest the 3rd fight which was very controversial was a big mess for me. I always thought Ali won, but then I started scoring and tye problem is that so many rounds could go either way... I had Norton winning by a big margin when I was giving close rounds to him and I had Ali winning by a big margin giving close rounds to him. Also as you saud ali had said that Norton had beat him, but later he changed his version saying that judges see more than us. I will try score Ali Norton 3 once more time, but for me scoring this fight depends on which style you prefer. Judges ofc were favouring Ali, because he was a super star in 1976 but I won’t argue with that, just like I won’t deny if anybody tells me that Norton won. For me the decision was acceptable 100%

@@alekwojcik9030 Thanks for the feedback, Alex. I never knew Ali took his "take" back; he may have been lost in the moment, right after a tough fight and felt like he could have done better. The close rounds are ultra-hard to call. I think I tend to root for the underdog, sometimes, rather than be objective. Let me know what your next score comes out like; now, say, Hagler-Leonard, that feels like another one where you see these takes: some want close rounds for Leonard, coming back after injury, some for Hagler, because Hagler has been robbed before. Best!

Chuck Coulter Thank you very nice for such nice words. Yes Ali in 1979 when asked about Norton fight said that he had beaten him, but there were skme stories that he said to Norton that he had won their 3rd fight. I find it confusing honestly. Also I don’t know if you are aware that there was supposed to be a 4th match between Ali and Kenny in 1978, but Ali lost to Spinks and tge fight never happened, so Ali probably didn’t feel right about his victory over Kenny. Also in 1977 before Evangelista fight he was being interviewed by Howard Cossel and suggested 4th match with Norton due to their last meeting being controversial. About Leonard vs Hagler I must say I am a bit Leonard’s fanboy, and find myself ignorant when it cones to the fight with Hagler even though I saw it many times. The truth is that for many the fact alone that Leonard made this fight competetive was sufficient enough to declare him the winner, which is unjust of course when it comes to scoring. 1 judge gave Leonard 118-110 which is ridiculous. Also many rounds were very close and confusing in this case. I personally never scored this fight so I can say much about the verdict, but I saw a great video on yt channek called Rummy’s corner who had Hagler winning by close margin, but said that many rounds could go either way, and he is not mad that Leo won, because of that. It was a great video and I suggest you watch this. I guess I have to finally sit down and watch both men ver closely and get as honest opinion as I can. Wish you all best, and let me know what you think about Leonard vs Hagler😁

@@alekwojcik9030 Will do... now see, I was a Hagler-mark; my first book on boxing featured him on the cover. Some of Hagler's family, his father, was local. I need to re-watch. Like you, I believe Sugar making it highly competitive made even non-scoring journalists fantasize about a mini-Ali, bright, ultra-talented (the bouts with Duran/Hearns alone), an ultimate comeback ... it was also Hagler's big pay-day, in exchange (bad choice) for a larger ring and slightly bigger gloves. I can say my wife was sparring at a Palisades, CA dojo, a light martial arts novice, when she was matched with Ray Leonard, retired, to practice a move. She said he was a total gentleman, very friendly, self-effacing, no falseness about him, which is always good to hear. I love Ali and Leonard - I think culturally, spiritually - I tend to root for the "also-rans," the secondary legends - for us, Thomas Hearns is huge... It's stunning when you don't see a bigger obit for Pernell Whitaker; so, to the mass of non-boxing fans, they know Ali, perhaps Leonard, and Foreman as someone with a grill. :) let alone Norton, Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers... how I wish Norton would have beaten Holmes. A fourth? That would have been majestic and odd at the same time; maybe it would have bonded the men more in memory.

I didn't think it was possible after the first fight

First was far better. They were more skilled then. More boxing in first

@@psychoticpurse6579 any true boxing enthusiast knows that the first was EPIC! ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER!!! PERIOD!

First fight was definitely much more epic! Mainly because both were young and in their prime. Much better than what they were in this second fight.

Imao, me too. I think he should try to step out into other fights and fighters, considering this fight to me was the true end of fights between the “4 Kings.”

I would love a video of Salvador Sanchez. I believe this channel has what it takes to give him the credit he deserves.

OneTrue Hitman I would love for him to go into Teofilo Stevenson, an amateur only heavyweight boxer, 3 time gold medalist and my favourite boxer besides Sanchez, but I have no money so I can't join the Patreon lol

Val Ramillion it'd be tough since there's a mix of so much skill and technique's he utilized in the ring, as well as the lack of material to go off due to his premature death, but if anyone can cover it and spread Sanchez to many people, it'd be this channel

You got your wish 😅

AKA When Tyson bit off more than he could chew. (Yikes, sorry.)

He’s always been my personal fave out of the 4 without question. I don’t care how much he was looked at as an after thought, he shined bright above the rest in my books.

Ray Leonard=Ali copy, Hagler=literal boulder that can punch, Hearns=Also Ali copy but difrent and Duran= some crazy dude they allowed to fight

Brass Knucklez yea HIS STYLE IS LIKE ALI CAUSE ALI TEACHED LARRY BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WITH THEYRE STYLES

there are books

Possibly because people (like me) hate Holmes for what he did to Ali.

I've seen a lot of people do Tyson vs holyfield already. But i would like to see a pacqiauo vs mayweather video because that's something that I don't see too often and when I do see it people keep saying pacqiauo was robbed or complain that mayweather was just running the whole time.

He'd just catch copyright strikes for it

It's Me, Steve pac v May weather was too boring to review. It’d be a good fight to watch if you’re having trouble sleeping

@@itsmesteve1081 hey Steve, you wouldn't happen to be Filipino would ya?🥴

@@Trentberkeley86 Spoken like a true casual. Its only boring when the guy you want to lose, doesnt lose

You should pay more attention, to how fights were scored back then!!!

Did you enjoy it

commander sus Gunner yea man it was epic !!!!!!!! man i wachted it 2 times lol

@@ariantheassasin206 lol

Both times

@@anthonyjones1403 I don't see how Hearns was robbed in the first. He got knocked down twice and the ref called the fight as he was getting a torrent of unanswered punches.

@@NGameReviews thats true man but hearns did was ahead in points he would have won if he didnt get knocked out

@@ariantheassasin206 why don't you if in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up faster👍🏼

@@ariantheassasin206 You need to find a better understanding of boxing, points mean nothing if you are knocked out, ask Mike Tyson

Where there is a will there is a way

Him, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammand Ali, and Joe Fraizer

A marvellous view and a perfect time stamp for the start of the best soundtrack of The Modern Martial Artist's videos. Thanks.

His chin was good, it was his legs and footwork that often failed him. You would like to have seen him box more, pump that beautiful left jab like the fictitious Apollo Creed, but he didn’t do it. He was like a really quick basketball player who would never use his quickness. If you have height, long arms and a powerful jab, you should use it. I’m sure Ali would have told him to use it more. Hearns could have beaten Hagler if his legs had been better, and if he hadn’t allowed Hagler to lure him into a brawl. And he could have knocked out Leonard if his legs had been better. His chin was good enough, and he proved that.

His chin wasn't the problem. It was the insane competition he had to contend with. That's why hes seen as a all time great but also why people criticize him. It's a unfair double edge sword but ultimately that's the cost of being great.

@@muder0989 nah.. it was the chin. marvin hagler was one of the greatest. his ability to take an opponent's best shots and not buckle is one of the things that made him legendary.

@@muder0989 true! He would be unbeatable in Mayweather's era!

@@DeCurtaRican he moved great in the first fight. Even outboxed Leonard in stretches. Competition was unreal in his prime.

Wingspans are hard to and rarely measured accurately...a slight shift can alter by inches. Also note it's not a true measure of arm length, it contains the hands, fingers, and width of the back. It's clear Hearns had considerably longer arms than Leonard and most of his opponents.