God i love Grey Knights. Im such a Grey Knight enjoyer. Every day i wake up and put on my finest clothes, go down to the hobby shop and buy more Grey Knights. They have the best writing in the setting and absolutely wipe the tabletop. Grey Knights could beat Custodes so easily if you really think about it. I love the Grey Knights. I can feel Kaldor Draigo coming inside me

Grey Knights: Rejoice children of the Emperor, we are here to save you! Imperial Citizen: Hurray it's the Grey Knights! GK: FROM YOURSELVES! IC: Oh no, it's the Grey Knights...

Lamenters would be hilariously sad. Well, I’ll wait till the cursed founding comes up.

Lore aside, I actually really vibe with the GK aesthetic something fierce. I LOVE the sharp terminator knight heads and the wrist bolters. Genuinely some of my fave designs, shame they have such inconsistent lore :(

While the vast majority of their Ward Era lore has been de-canonized, the damage is still very much done amongst the old guard (or anyone who joined pre-8th edition). You'll still find many people who consider the Grey Knights as nothing than a chapter of Gary Stu archetypes.

I have the idea that the Grey Knights are secretly not of the Emperor's Geneseed and are actually Thousand Sons. Janus was a TS after all and was their first grand master, and it would fit the whole "Everyone is a psyker" thing

Keep in Mind, the grey knights were written, concepted and "WrItTeN" by the same guy of "he who shall not be named" that made the ultramarines Gary sues until 8th edition. That being said, I do like that they're the inquisitions true hammers against chaos, there's some cool lore behind them (first battle of Armageddon) that is there. Like you said though, its like they're the 40k equivalent to a faction wide very, VERY bad fan-fic.

I can’t believe “The emperors gift” finally came out in audio form after all these years. It’s been a good summer for 40k

The Grey Knights should be the very embodiment of the all that's best about the Astartes ( who are in the words of the Emperor 'the defenders of humanity' ), right down to not allowing Inquisitors to wipe out uncorrupted loyalists, sadly their writing is generally bad because it apparently has to be grimdark ( such as wiping out the sisters for no sensible reason, fighting the Space Wolves because an Inquisitor with questionable authority says so, or killing innocents who 'know too much' ). Much like the Custodes, they were also never conceived in the game as being an Army in their own right, originally they were meant to be a small elite unit to drop on a Greater Deamon/Avatar like a bomb for Imperial forces.

I've always imagined the Grey Knights as having strength in between the regular Astartes and Custodes, as they are classified in lore as Sanctic Astartes instead of Adeptus Astartes, as well having tougher and more rigorous training in comparison to the other Astartes. I do understand the unappeal of having Spacier Marines that are better just because, and I do hope that their lore is written in a way to make them earn that Spacier Marines title. Hel, I'd even do it myself if I had experience writing at all lol

I view Grey Knights (which I also play) as an over specialized force meant to deal with a specific threat and nothing else. Their gear is so tailored to deal with demonic forces that to be used in any other setting other than to smash demons to paste makes them look like generic space marines in overly polished war gear. Like a Grey Knight Grand Master could be using a master crafted, finely inscribed, thrice blessed, dipped in the blood of saints, thunder hammer so holy that to even look at it makes demons explode. But against orks, tau, eldar or some human that blinked when he should have ran, its just a lead weight on a stick.

Going off of you mentioning how Grey Knights are the better overall Space Marines, there is a story (I know, writers can be inconsistent with portrayals, as you mentioned) of the Grey Knights getting shit-stomped by the Space Wolves in something called the Months of Shame. It's definitely something to look into if you haven't already and kinda shows that while they are cool, at least in my opinion, they can struggle against other loyalist chapters.

Say what you will about the Grey Knights, but their armor is simply incredible. They are a royal pain in the ass to paint well, but when they are done right, very few armies can match their look on the tabletop. Lore-wise, yes they are kind of all over the place. But I think it’s fitting that they did pick up a “Primarch” in the Horus Heresy Lore: the Noble Shard of Magnus.

The Emperor's Gift is an excellent read and now on audible for those that prefer audiobooks. It's a slower-burn than other ADB stories. I found the pacing drew me closer to the main characters such that the things they eventually see and do hit harder than the usual bolter-porn action that can be absorbed at a distance. He quite literally places the reader inside the minds of the main characters as much of the dialogue between them is done psychically. So, communication isn't just restricted to words and largely incorporates touches of images, emotions, etc. It's a good book.

The Grey Knights are essentially just loyalist Thousand Sons. Their gene seed obviously comes from Magnus despite what the lore says, because the Emperor clearly doesn't have gene seed since he's neither a Primarch nor even an Astartes and only Magnus's gene seed has the properties of the Grey Knights, making almost all recipients into psykers. The Grey Knights aren't (or shouldn't be) the best at everything: they're just the best psykers among the Space Marines, with an exclusive focus on fighting Chaos, especially demons, and that's all. If you really like the Thousand Sons but you want to play loyalists then the Grey Knights are your guys. GW / Black Library needs to get somebody on the Grey Knights who knows how to write. They look amazing and just need some better stories about them.

Bro the grey knight that fell to slaanesh's corruption pulled a LEEEEEREROOOOOY JENKINS

Have you ever eaten. A tangerine.

I love the idea that there is a 1/100 chance that summoning a daemon will summon Caldor Draigo instead.

"Someone wants them to be the main characters of 40k" - Matt Ward. It was Matt Ward

Grey Knights are fine, just not in GW’s hands.

Grey Knights were my favorite when I first got into the lore but I think Imperial Fists and Black Templars will always be my real favorite chapters. I really like the Salamanders, Iron Warriors and Blood Ravens as well. Most legions or chapters are pretty easy to get behind. But I guess i just like the I.F. and B.T. for personal reasons. Fists embody the calmness and objectivity I wish to aspire to and the Templars wrestle most directly with the bottomless well of rage that resides in them all. I know none of that is about GK but tbh my favorite thing about them is how they're represented in TTS, especially Draigo xD

No one can get through a grey knights video without mentioning "that" sisters moment

Can't wait for carcharadons!

These lads can also be such a tragic bunch. Their recruitment comes from taking members from other chapters and further breaking them down mentally and physically just to remake them into stronger warriors. So you're taking someone that was already broken down and had parts of their personality burned away to make a super soldier and you're doing it again, but more brutally. Poor knights don't even have memories of their childhood, if their lucky they have faint echoes of their past. In the hands of more competent writers we could have some very interesting stories, sadly more often than not the Greryknights feel like either like diet Custodes or jobbers in order to highlight just how strong a daemon ,or daemon prince, is.

The Gray Knights used to be my favorite...when they were a mysterious super-special anti-demon taskforce, basically when the lore actually treated them like an actual secret. They stopped being cool when Kaldor Drago beat all of Chaos and they got issued Tactical Baby Carriers. Now I like Guardsmen.

3:13 Kitten be like "It's NOT CANON!"

This reminds me of an old-ish SsethTzeentach video where he was browsing Sonic OC characters and there it was, Terminus, the Knight of Endings, literally a Grey Knight, which got as edgy as you can imagine.

I enjoy the theory that each Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights hosts the Noble Shard of Magnus. Instead of the shard having died along with Janus, it just possessed the next Supreme Grand Master and continues to do so. Which would give at least some plausibility to how Kaldor Draigo could have gone up against Mortarion.

The Grey Knights are cool in concept, but dumb in execution and inconsistent in lore. I still prefer the Blood Ravens for the role of Loyalist Psychic bois. Nathaniel Garro is still better than Kaldor Draigo. No cap. He just is.

I love the aesthetic, especially in the artworks since the minis are kinda outdated with those bulimic thigh, and I don't really see them as just another chapter but better. I like how their psychic trait is more oriented towards channeling it through their weird weapons or in a defensive way, while having the classical sorcery represented better in the thousand sons. I'm ok with there being a top secret psychic chapter that excels against daemons and as a result are on average better than other SM. Too bad their lore is all over the place and mostly sucks.

i am compelled to say hi back to you every time you introduce yourself in a video. thank you for your efforts arthur.

Another case of why trying to powerscale anything in 40k is a futile effort. Each BL and Codex writer is working off their own headcanon on that and GW doesn't care as long as the models sell. Characters are as powerful as the plot needs them to be which gets crazy with the authors that dont understand the meaning of restraint. Which isn't helped by the fact that there are several characters who are essentially immortal so them getting beaten doesn't change anything major. The Avatar of Khaine, Grearer Daemons, Daemon Primarchs and the Tyranid Swarmlord all have enough notable losses to put a sizeable dent in their perceived threat level.

8:17 hopped up on ground up eldar warpstone crack. my gods this guy is hilarious!

I have yet to see a KZfaqr make a video of specifically successor chapters of each legion. Good job mr bones

Chaos gate was actually a pretty fun game with a good story it was written by adb who wrote the night lords trilogy

Grey knights when written well and in concept are super cool, but the way they are portrayed seem like that one kid at recess with an anti everything shield.

Grey Knights are "the hammer blow of the Ordo Malleus" -- I see what you did there

I love the grey knights I think them being "better" then other Astartes comes down to the fact that they are all space wizards with all the positives and negatives that entails I can see in a fucked up way why they can kill greater daemons far easier then normal heretic Astarte's since their gear is designed to hunt Daemons, It makes sense they can crush daemons that normal marines would struggle against but have a far harder time killing normal traitors since they special anti daemon gear is far less effective. I kind of like that since it makes them seem like the specialists they are meant to be rather then just better space marines

There are a few armies in 40K that really should just be units in other army’s books. Gray Knights are the most egregious examples of that.

“Ever eaten a tangerine? Would you like to try one?”

I thought you would make a quip like "the 50 shades of grey knight power levels with how inconsistent they are" or something like that.

You should discuss the Carcharodon chapter. But otherwise the Black Templar would make for a fun episode.

What I learned. Grey nights = Sonichu

That bit where they struggled against a plague marine when they could normally defeat a greater demon with little difficulty may be an example of the perils of overspecialisation. They're too good at fighting demons that they are ill-equipped for even proxies for demons.

Greyknights in a nutshell: "what if space knights but more knights... and with magic"

For my Halloween costume, I am gonna wear skeleton Pajamas, and a Grey Knight helmet that I am making myself.

Grey knights just always called to me as Gray Knight has been my handle for many things for years before I even heard about them, and they're just really cool with their paladin aesthetic, and well, paladins, another thing I've been a big fan of. Castellan Crowe is a BAMF, and also nearly saved me in a game I played against my friend playing nids with his fight on death and repeat nearly wiping a unit on his own. His fuck you I'm the most uncorruptible deal with it, this insanely powerful sword with a demon inside it constantly trying to turn me and everyone around me to chaos, ya it's just a regular ass sword in my hand because I refuse to give in and use it. He's the best.

Nathaniel ''my sword is long, my balls are heavy'' Garro. lol

Wacky Nonsense basically descrips the entire franchise

They do have a primarch, technically it's the emperor, since they're made with his geneseed

Thematically cool but not always interesting on their own, Grey Knights are, however, the catalyst for more than one interesting story centered around another faction, like when the Space Wolves punched them in the face over killing a planet they just fought and bled to defend, or the Fall of Shadowbrink where they fail outright ad get eaten by Tyranids because they were so worried about the Daemon relic they were guarding cracking open, only for the bugs to easily defeat the Daemons and banish them back to the Warp pretty much by accident.

I wished that GW had balanced out the Grey Knights as being the most corruptable astartes due to being knee deep in demon stuff all the time. And that corrupted grey knights being some of the most dangerous type of chaos marines to fight. Kind of like the Hunters from Bloodborne. It would turn them from Gary Stus to being extreme double edge swords for the imperium to use.

They like to think they’re better until they Run into Space Wolves and Salamanders.

You should do a video on what happened to the countries on terra

"Yes! I am comparing Grey Knights to Sonichu"..... My sides have gone into the warp XD

All Lore issues aside, the aesthetic of the Grey Knights design is my absolute favorite. The Silver armor and unique helmets just looks so amazing. Along with the glowing blue Halberds, they just look so damn badass!

My first real interaction with GK's was chaosgate daemonhunter, where it fekt harder to deal with marines than it did daemons. You can bench press that plaguebearer but you gotta use true xcom tactics against deathguard. I really like how their task force in Angron's Ark of Omen book was described too. Very much so a "oh hey GK's are here!....oh fuck gk's are here what the fuck is coming" They showed up are preparing for Angron and theres nowhere where i felt like that was not a serious notion

My new canon for the GKs is that Kaldor Draigo is impeccably stupid and insane, and prone to random fits of screaming. "HAVE YOU EVER EATEN... A TANGERINE??!"

That reminds me, I need a new jar-I mean, clear display case for my Shadowsun mini.

Honestly I like the Grey Knights because futuristic super soldiers in knight armour fighting demons with power swords is a really cool aesthetic. The main problem with them is how they were/are handled in the lore with their main character stndrome and such. But still I personally just think having a middle ground between space marines and custodes being neat, partly justified with their niche being nigh uncorruptable psykers whose job it is to fight demons but... I understand other people's disliking of them since the space marines but better part of them does add to the "im specihul" aura around them. Do I have a point or am I just an outlier?

The grey knights are a successor chapter of the custodes, and they hate it.

Have you ever had a tangerine?

GOTTA LOVE HOW U CAN SEE HIS SELF CONFIDENCE IN THE OPENING RISE BY EVERY VIDEO

7:15 I see you've discovered Ward.

Imperial Fist pic with tiny head had me dying

And sonichu is exactly why exterminatas is not just advised but the reasonable step

"They're bureaucrats, Morty, we don't respect them!" I like the part in the lore where Logan Grimnar kicked some of their shiny asses... The Knight Errants were cool though...

I love that you found a way to throw Sonichu in there. Well done.

To fight the insanity of chaos you must become insane yourself - grey knight's most likely. And oh their "primarch" is the emperor, same as the shiny golden boys.

The one thing I really dislike about them is the "remove those who shouldn't know about us" bit(the novel of hyperion does redeem this part a bit). Also the matt ward treatment(1d4chan hates him with a passion). Speaking of 1d4, they're at odds deciding who's the chuck norris of war40k, draigo or logan grimnar(I'd vote for latter). Still, they do have a good trilogy (and few short stories), in said trilogy book 2, there's a cool moment where protagonist trades wits with a demon titan no less (book 3 was a shake up but with a reasonable ending), check it out if able.

I LIKE the idea of the greyknights, BUT as the idea that they are the best to use against daemons...as they were made for. like yes army wise, tech wise, gene wise, psychic wise they are one of if not THE best space marine chapter to exist ever...there's really only one group of marines that can compete with them and that's thousand sons, and even there the comparison is just a wizard duel and daemonology mastery AND THATS WHERE IT SHOULD BE. Grey Knights are the guys you send out for a daemon prince, a daemon primarch, a daemon world ect ect... if it has anything to do with a large scale daemonic influence the GK's should show up and just be absolute monsters WITH THE CAVEAT that because of their secrecy, and their elitism, the numbers they bring in...like the tabletop, are fewer than other responses.

As a player that really got into 40k in 5th, Grey knights have for a long time left a sour taste in my mind. Their the sort of army I would never want to own and thats its honestly only within the last few months that Iv gradually started to soften on them. ..that boarding patrol box was actually tempting. A restaurant will be judged by the worst cook in the kitchen, One bad meal and you'll never go back to that restaurant again. 40ks has a big kitchen with a lot of cooks. Ward was, even looking back years later after the hate and the memes have burned down to bitter coals, a pretty bad cook. But that doesn't mean those other cooks didn't put out some amazing dishes. Its been a long while, and that chef that gave everybody on /tg/ diarrhea years ago is gone. It might be time to see what somebody else can do with that recipe.

"What do you think about the Grey Knights?" I don't. Nice try, Inquisitor.

I like it when the funny greay space marine shows up and removes my brain bits from the soul bits

The problem with the Grey Knight is that the Adeptus Custodes exist now, and the Custodes really do the whole "Hyper Elite Super Marines" thing better than the Grey Knights ever did. And I say this as someone who fucking loves the Grey Knights. Mostly because I'm a huge fan of the Paladin archetype in fiction, and the Grey Knights are all about that paladin archetype, from their helmets that resemble knightly great helms, to their whole "shining silver armor" aesthetic. If I were writing these guys, I'd lean into the idea that these are Traitor Legion Marines who chose to stay Loyalist, and give them a complex about this that leads to them seeking martyrdom even more than other Astartes. Every Grey Knight knows that they are kin to traitors, and every other Astartes does too. They should specialize in fighting Warp Entities (Daemons, Psykers, etc.), but struggle against horde armies due to their focus on slaying monsters and sorcerers. If I were in charge of the next Grey Knight codex. . . I wouldn't write one. I'd fold them into the Inquisition Codex instead, and move their HQ units to elites or something similar, so that every Grey Knight army needs to be led by an Inquisitor. Make them an MEQ troops option for Inquisition armies or something.

First you diss my beloved Space Wolves, and now you diss my beloved Grey Knights tooo???? I hate you... But i like your style and content. I always look forward to your uploads!!!

The secret to liking Grey knights is not knowing much about grey knights.

I think i finally figured out what my first army is going to be, when i actually have money. Its gonna be a mix between guardsmen, and grey knights. Because the fate of those guardsmen is fuckin hilarious to me.

Grey Knights are often overlooked as specialists. They’re good at fighting daemons (notice how each of the super powerful entities they swing above their weight against are always daemons), but not nearly as good at fighting other threats. They can lose and they are by no means the best at everything. Ward era writings shouldn’t be taken as canon. Also primarchs could use to be knocked down a peg(even though the draigo thing is definitely stupid) and I like the idea that they aren’t the invulnerable gods they were made out to be in myths recanted from over 10,000 years ago.

I love the "Valium til death" voice.

That title is certainly some fighting words

Looking like the deathwatch is the clear choice for the 11th video.

In Chaos Gate Daemonhunter. Morty still seething about the heart carving XD.

Drago is the Shadow to Catos Sonic, and you know it.

Banishers of low quality razor blades, eaters of tangerines.

Assuming since we’re subbing in the grey knights for the 2nd legion, are we getting deathwatch for 11th?

Mr Bones wants to cover all 2nd founding: proceeds to talk about the fallen and grey knights

Just imagine the waste of about 1 million candidates to make just one Grey Knight

I like grey knights as a faction for the same reason I like the custodes. They are just so unique. Sure they have some bad dysfunctional lore, but this is GW, everything has some of that. The army plays with a heavy inflection of lore flavor that is more pronounced particularly in 10 th than other sm fractions.

I love these guys. With the new Terminators I think they can get an excellent lease of life. And I also really want to see the Purple Knight as a chaos character. That would be so incredibly sick. I also think that Kaldor is a shard of Magnus and that's why he could do that. And as for fighting Primarchs, in Arks of Omen a taskforce gets absolutely bodied by Angron

I happened to view your social and i must say. I love oatmeal and his derpy little face🥰

One thing I do not like about them: killing fellow forces of the imperium after an attempted daemonic siege simply because those forces witnessed chaos entities. Or has this been struck off?

I'll be honest, I am reeling from the comparison but the previous writing of some of their stories does make them wacky strong worfs. I like them because of the silver/grey armor they wear and them just being good at fighting demons in 40k is quite cool to me. Granted on tabletop currently I'm not jumping for joy for their rules currently after a few games but I still enjoy them. I am glad that you did make a GK video after the first legion series you did so good stuff. This video was funny to me and I enjoyed it. I heard they did re-write Kaldor's fight with Mortarion but I haven't read it so I'm not sure how true that is. But hey another good video, I really enjoy your stuff.

"They cannot lose." Logan Grimnar would like a word.

Jesus the bloody sisters story is very unhinged lol. Like im all for horror and descimating a readers brain with terrible acts of war. But that felt far fetched asf.

I wasn't ready for a sonicchu jump scare

this might seem odd but i miss the way he used to say "Hi! im Arthur" idk, it was just something so soothing about it, still absolutely love the content!

The Grey Knights would do better with a Night Haunter style scribe system

8:31 they basically just turned up to lay the smack down on Typhus the traveler, who got like 3-4 of them before a Grand Master took him down

listen all you need to know is that they'll provide the hams