The History of TF2’s Dustbowl

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2 жыл бұрын

The Dustbowl we know and love today is not the Dustbowl that once was. This video explores three historic versions of this infamous TF2 map dating all the way back from Team Fortress Classic in 1999, to Pre Fortress 2 (a mod that bridges the gap between TFC and TF2), to Team Fortress 2.
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This video is inspired by fellow TF2 KZfaqrs BaconBlitz and KromTheGod:
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Song used in the video: [ULTRAKILL OST] Take Care

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@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU GUYS FOR 200 SUBSCRIBERS! HUGE MILESTONE! Let's keep going and see where this channel can go!

@C.A._Old 2 жыл бұрын

You're Are Welcome Mates ! ^^ +1 We Are Community Family ! And We Are Going To Live Forever ! +1 -2014 Expration date Last Seconds Soldier Words.

@brandonjohnson4121 2 жыл бұрын

You gained 4 more subscribers, including myself, in the time it took me to watch the video. Nearing 300 within another day. Keep up the work.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonjohnson4121 I know, I still don't know how to process this, but I will absolutely follow your advice and keep working hard to put out interesting stuff!

@jacobpukallus7677 2 жыл бұрын

You have found the algorithm. every map from tfc that made it to tf2, make a video on. this is an amazing video idea, and myself and others would definitely want to see more.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobpukallus7677 I will absolutely do at least one more video of this type. I’m glad you enjoy it! 😀

@Dr_Dan_ 2 жыл бұрын

10:10 this thing is for grenades, so you need to be more precise when you throw em. or they will fall into this gap and deal no damage

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know what those are

@alface935 2 жыл бұрын

Oh Thats Actually a Good Idea Since In TFC All 9 Classes Have Grenades

@dickc.normus2406 2 жыл бұрын

In TFC there is no "control point", the blue flag at spawn has to be brought from spawn all the way to the last point. Everything is chokey I imagine because the blue team's win condition is much easier than in TF2.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

You are correct. I realized this while recording but never ended up putting it into the video or mentioning it.

@alexanderscout 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs could you remake this video with more info and more details?

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderscout What do you mean “more info?”

@christiangottsacker6932 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs good medics or scouts can granade jump through the chokes and bhop/slide to the point in less than 30 seconds. Points being capped in this game can occur before anyone even realises it had happened.

@alexanderscout 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs there’s more to it then you covered in this video

@himynamewaz7507 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you show footage, instead of just using images. It give us a full view of what it used to look like. Also. May I suggest you make a vid about huge difference between original maps, and their modern counterpart’s

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I will strongly consider it. You’re not the only one to suggest this.

@C.A._Old Жыл бұрын

@@LEDs It's Best Legendary Ever ! All Of Times !

@immortalsun 2 ай бұрын

*counterparts

@norbertbubiek5655 2 жыл бұрын

7:32 Those bags in Pre-Fortress are replenish armor, on your hud you can see that scout has 25 armor. Once you have no armor, you can pick it up to fully replenish your armor 11:29 The buckets replenish trowables, for example grenades

@raphaelclado8153 2 жыл бұрын

At 6:44 you need tfc demoman's detpack to destroy the wall. There are also other places in the other parts where you can destroy the wall with the detpack.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, you’re the only one who’s told me this!

@spiderm4n 2 жыл бұрын

That's incorrect. Demoman can't open any passages on dustbowl, they open automatically after 5 minutes.

@spiderm4n 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs You also missed the upper tunnel at the first sage in TFC's dustbowl, they also open automatically after 5 minutes.

@EmperorPrinc3 2 жыл бұрын

The one thing I miss from TFC was the flank routes with destructible environments. CTF_Well had flanks like that. Same with CP_warpath which the TF2 community brought over from TFC. And had the destructible flank in TF2.

@SharfKnows Жыл бұрын

kinda sus

@jaysbadatgaming 2 жыл бұрын

I like how instead of modifying the map drastically, they blocked off passageways instead

@Xhepyxopila 2 жыл бұрын

11:35 Fun fact, because they're based off older builds of the game, the Orange Box console versions for PS3 and XBox 360 don't have that staircase Every modded Dustbowl server I joined always had a diagonal ladder prop put there as a replacement

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Somebody else mentioned that too. Crazy how Orange Box is like that

@BoxOfKrabs 2 ай бұрын

Also the second exit for BLU spawn on stage 2 wasn’t there for the PS3 and 360 version

@mistadip42 2 жыл бұрын

I like how instead of just removing the old areas in TF2 they fenced them off instead. It’s the small things that make a game great

@heavenandhello6629 2 жыл бұрын

4:30 In 2007, there used to be a bug of where you would be able to build a tele exit VERY close under that ladder that would be used to trap your team. It was very funny. But it’s still possible for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the 2007 version of the game and it never got updated for 15 years unlike the pc version.

@cowboysfan1996 2 жыл бұрын

also on the orange box dustbowl doesnt have those stairs on the choke hallway part right across from that spawn hole on dustbowl stage 3

@heavenandhello6629 2 жыл бұрын

@@cowboysfan1996 my other comment is right on top of this comment that said it doesn’t have the stairs either. You didn’t read that one. Or look even more in the comments. That’s how you’re gonna know that I already knew that

@joetheratgoon6439 2 жыл бұрын

Hi gearlion

@heavenandhello6629 2 жыл бұрын

@@joetheratgoon6439 how’d you know I was here?

@joetheratgoon6439 2 жыл бұрын

@@heavenandhello6629 a little birdie told me

@RichterOvertime 2 жыл бұрын

Really cool video idea. Wonder if we'll ever see any of the maps from TF2 Invasion

@stoodle511 2 жыл бұрын

oh wow, hello there

@riseoftheepicscout454 2 жыл бұрын

invasion was interesting ngl also i like ur vids

@somerandomguyintheinternet 2 жыл бұрын

Ayo rich

@a_creatorsstuff17 2 жыл бұрын

Many of the classic version routes that you say are not present are actualy there, you see them via no clip, and thats cuz Demoman has a explosive bag that can blow up the wall to open those shortcut routes for the attackers It took a long time to blow and if im not mistaken spies could disarm it, but made demoman an importan class to have in both attack and defence

@a_creatorsstuff17 2 жыл бұрын

7:00, funny how in tf2 you can do the exact same jump off also a sign

@a_creatorsstuff17 2 жыл бұрын

Oh btw, planning to do other comparissons? Like 2fort and even the football map?

@asenvelkov301 2 жыл бұрын

That was interesting, I've never seen the Pre-Tf2 dustbowl somehow, even after 4K hrs of gameplay. Overall it was pleasant to watch! Hope your channel has a bright future.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I’ve got a couple more dustbowl-related map videos in consideration right now

@sO_RoNerY Жыл бұрын

TFC is still revolutionary. Can’t dislike and hate on the old look.

@heavenandhello6629 2 жыл бұрын

Plus, at 13:02, this modern version of Dustbowl ALSO used to not have those stairs back in 2007 either. They were added in a later update. And like I said on my other comment, it’s still like that on the Xbox 360 tf2 for the same reason I said

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the info!

@scorpiosystem8082 3 ай бұрын

something to note about TFC is that, on the whole, classes were faster, more mobile, and had more weapons and tools to navigate maps and overcome chokes (Scouts could outrun sentry turning speed, for example). Dustbowl is still very chokey even for TFC but other maps like 2Fort were much less egregious than they look

@fronsk7156 2 жыл бұрын

ultrakill soundtrack with tf2 footage>>>>> god this video goes so hard

@snp.. 2 жыл бұрын

based ULTRAKILL player

@somnvm37 2 ай бұрын

I lke how in tfc the entire map is basically 1 texture and buildings and the ground melt into 1 mess

@Punchman228 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! He did my thing :D

@Aiyoros 2 жыл бұрын

5:38 hmmmm as far as i remember, before TF2 there was only one door in classic's dustbowl, it was hell (and fun to defend) . Also no teleports where available. Ladders are cheap for the GPU/CPU of the era, less geometry to render, and stairs where tricky to make less resource intensive on Wolrdcraft/Hammer.

@NightSideProductionsYTCC 2 жыл бұрын

Remember that Pre-Fortress 2 operated much like the Brotherhood of Arms Team Fortress (TFC), just on the newer engine. (The closest supported example could be TF2C) Note that the Duffel Bag you saw had the Engineer and Medic's gear inside (A hardhat and what looked like a syringe), and the bucket had a Dynamite Bundle and some different Grenades, which Demoman actually had on his sash in the original Teaser for Team Fortress in 2007. I believe that certain classes had specific pickups that only they could grab, as the Duffel Bag having Engineer and Medic's supplies and the bucket having Soldier/Demo's supplies.

@albenstain8843 2 жыл бұрын

Been playing tfc lately and I'm always surprised when we somehow manage to push through a choke point in dustbowl. 8:50 is complete hell with grenades and no uber

@emilioconde8782 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think about the grenades?

@albenstain8843 2 жыл бұрын

@@emilioconde8782 Well it sucks if you dont know how to use them or deal with them. I still feel like most of my deaths happen because I dont know how to use them but the enemy does.

@urbanie 2 жыл бұрын

awesome video my guy, definitely enjoyed it! i think the concept of armor and grenades and those bags and buckets is really cool and i would like to see it in game but they really have to balance it well

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Valve thought it was too complex or something, hence why these features no longer exist in TF2.

@Z4ntherr 25 күн бұрын

ahh i love the use of ultrakill music

@lilfetus2349 2 жыл бұрын

You’re underrated you and your content is pretty great! Keep on the grind and you will be admired is my advice!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words 💙💚❤️

@phlogchamp 2 жыл бұрын

You should totally compare the other 5 maps (the ones that exist in all 3 versions that is), I really enjoyed this!

@ZackAttackHall 2 жыл бұрын

13:01 these stairs didnt exist on launch for tf2 they were added about 2 months later on Dec 20. the xbox360 ver of the orange box lacks these stairs despite the fact it got some patches past that date.

@lavalord96 2 жыл бұрын

I liked this video! I hope we can get more map comparisons!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps in the future!

@pillgrimm 2 жыл бұрын

If you make more videos like this, I will watch literally every one of them. This is superb content.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 💙💚♥️

@sovietpotato5843 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you make a series on this keep up the good work my guy :)

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I'll see what I can do

@UncleDeathYT 2 жыл бұрын

I Love the video. Also I just realized while watching a Ultrakill OST I forgot the name of (or i think it was the remix) is in the background.

@mavolent6332 2 жыл бұрын

tfw i finish playing ultrakill, go take a break to eat something, go watch this video and i'm greeted with the music from it i already love this

@immortalsun 2 ай бұрын

Great video, man! Your channel is quite underrated.

@archivious496 2 жыл бұрын

Dude. You should be at 60,000 now for this amazing content!

@whitefacewizard 2 жыл бұрын

such a underrated creator. I hope your channel blows up

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

💙💚❤️

@camithebrick Жыл бұрын

The choke-iness of dustbowl makes sense when you consider that all it took was one blue medic getting past the defenses to win the game back in tfc

@Internetbetoxic Жыл бұрын

11:30 That be a bucket of grenades mate!

@MrHKer-ot6lq Жыл бұрын

I’m living in this map over 10 years now….

@TinyDeskEngineer 2 жыл бұрын

Now I cannot stop noticing how someone messed up that displacement. Thanks so much.

@eljestLiv 9 ай бұрын

11:27 That ammo bucket is for grenades

@RashadGarcia 2 жыл бұрын

This is Phenomenal for a person with 500 subs, I can see you being really popular in the future!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! 💙💚❤️

@RashadGarcia 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs if you do remember me 😶

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

@@RashadGarcia I'll certainly try to!

@Waffieu 2 жыл бұрын

Good Explanation And I Also Like Little Edits

@ratlobber 2 жыл бұрын

great video pardner

@mitsota101 2 жыл бұрын

a lot of those weird vertical spots that look impossible to navigate in classic can actually be reached by most classes because all classes can use grenades to rocket jump.

@MRMOON-jk1cs 2 жыл бұрын

My guy you deserve a lot more subs

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

And you, sir, deserve much appreciation for those kind words

@freddyfazbear363 2 жыл бұрын

I actually like pre-tf2 dustbowl more than modern dustbowl

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I especially like the second stage. I think the added flank doors and that one back area that is now fenced off would make for some good gameplay

@mr.h4294 2 ай бұрын

If you play tf2 orange box it has a few elements of PF2, But mostly the same layout

@cookiesmuggler7934 2 жыл бұрын

Why does youtube feel like it’s actually getting better (more enjoyable, quality KZfaq videos from literally anyone trying)

@Xoo31 2 жыл бұрын

Nice ultrakill music at the beginning

@alijoony 2 жыл бұрын

Nice vid Thanks for the information

@LucidityRemains 8 ай бұрын

The song played in the start is an instrumental version of "were you foolin'" by russ morgan and his orchestra.

@Zowson 2 жыл бұрын

Underrated, have a sub

@clowdyglasses 2 жыл бұрын

Ultrakill soundtrack gaming

@thecosmicgecko1771 2 жыл бұрын

I like the ultrakill music used!

@alexthesouthernpacificmt4879 2 жыл бұрын

Wow also congrats for 200

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

💙💚♥️

@puddinpie9387 2 жыл бұрын

this channel should be much popular

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I Appreciate those words my man

@heavygaming3792 2 жыл бұрын

This Channel is underrated

@squishydoge2307 2 жыл бұрын

this is gonna blow up, i can feel it

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Better take cover!

@Underqualified_Gunman 11 ай бұрын

the reason the TFC versions of the map where so choke heavy was it would only take blue 1 person with flag to win the round vs the capture point system we know today.

@hammerfell5727 2 жыл бұрын

ultrakill music, nice

@TheWither129 Жыл бұрын

The bucket is i assume for the scrapped grenades that ended up not coming over from tfc, which i assume is what those ditches on the bunkers were for, catching grenades so you cant as easily flush out a sniper or sentry and have to put a little more effort in.

@DustEatingMan 2 жыл бұрын

this man deserves more subs

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I’m happy I was able to earn yours!

@hunlepto2239 2 жыл бұрын

I feel ladders were removed due to them interrupting the fluid movement system of TF2 where any movement you do can matter, now your momentum doesn't have to be interrupted by the climbable ladders. Also, it's a real shame they changed map 1 and map 2 so much, I really dig the design with the longer flanks and more defense spots. Map 3 was changed for the better only honestly, but I feel they really dumbed down map 1 and 2 too much.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with this completely

@Taras195 2 жыл бұрын

The ULTRAKILL soundtrack is haunting me anywhere I go!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

lol

@Taras195 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs cool video you have here. I adore. The thing I'd be happy to see in the next analysis of that kind is side-by-side comparison. It's not always obvious where you look at. And please try not to be so snappy on the tfc levels!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

@@Taras195 Will do!

@Taras195 2 жыл бұрын

@@LEDs awesome!

@akkkarinn 2 жыл бұрын

nice video dude

@roadhoundd. 2 жыл бұрын

Choke-y was absolutely the name of the game for TFC. Still loved every minute of it.

@r3ik2 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I found this video, thank you, really interesting! May I Suggest to do less cuts or simply go slower in the walkthrough, I almost found it hard to follow haha maybe I’m just getting older

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you enjoyed it! I did make a second episode titled “The History of TF2’s Badlands” where I took a different approach and did what you advised.

@moroznikzh2249 2 жыл бұрын

My head hurts from the "Pre-Fortress 2" version of the map.

@TokenMCPE 2 жыл бұрын

alright we gotta get this guy to 1k

@Kizuha 2 жыл бұрын

Ultrakill enjoyer

@CoolSs 2 жыл бұрын

3:24 i actually like this change . but i think the map should be longer so the point is not just next to spawn . and instead of just a drop . you get a broken staircase .

@cubeofconstruction4156 2 жыл бұрын

Im only 12 seconds into the vid and im already baffled of the quality. this deserve way more attention

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😄

@haniibutter 2 жыл бұрын

i liked the ultrakill intro music

@SzaltTF 11 ай бұрын

as for second stage with that side flank, it might open up after you cap first

@ssssssssssssssssss50 2 жыл бұрын

More of thisnnype of videos would be neat.

@musicfan6411 2 жыл бұрын

10:15 - You made my day!

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you noticed it!

@Err0Rose 2 жыл бұрын

i guess the bucket on pf2 is for grenades, that's pretty cool

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

It is. It’s nice to see that things there different back then

@tf2dar 2 жыл бұрын

npc stutter (___) jokes aside, the video is great! found it interesting and have always loved history myself

@Lysimachus 2 жыл бұрын

I love Dustbowl - if I boot up TF2, for some reason I just want to play Dustbowl 95% of the time. Anyway fun video, thanks.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Dustbowl is the he GOAT!

@armyofmutantsarmy8648 Жыл бұрын

ultrakill in the beginning

@NoSkill_fr Жыл бұрын

*JUDGEME-*

@Flour-4 2 жыл бұрын

The bucket and the bag in PF2 are for separate ammo types I assume. The bucket is filled with explosives, therefore being able to refill explosive weapons, and the backpack is filled with gas canisters and what's looks like flares for the flamethrower. Pretty neat, introduces a new challenge for ammo conservation

@plumebrise4801 Жыл бұрын

No the bag was to refill your armor ,and the bucket to refill your throwable (like Grenade)

@Flour-4 Жыл бұрын

@@plumebrise4801 ok I understand now. Ty

@Internetbetoxic Жыл бұрын

Love the content

@TNTBlowup 2 жыл бұрын

Im guessing the bag was to refill armor (assuming that was what the shield by the hp was) and the bucket was probably for grenades

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I think you’re right

@iealschnee1685 2 жыл бұрын

Man's underrated fr

@spilledsoda93 2 жыл бұрын

Can you please do more of these because they are lovely thx

@dapperdandy6437 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this video, hope to see more like it in the future.

@stevencolor3389 2 жыл бұрын

Anybody else notice that in the first stage of pre fortress 2, the statue honoring the solider/rick may from may 2020 is present on the blu spawn side of the building? I think he is playing on a recreation of the pre fortress 2 map as I doubt that was added back then, unless some dev was planning ahead over 15 years, a timeframe most games die out in.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

I think the devs might’ve added it in to the pre-build version permanently to honor his memory

@mallusaih 2 жыл бұрын

i would love to see a tf2 version of pre fortress 2 dustbowl, the unblocked passages would be very satisfying to go thru

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

You’re not the first to suggest this, so I’m probably going to make a video showcasing just that (assuming I can port it to TF2 properly)

@Namerco 2 жыл бұрын

Good soldiers with the direct hit could probably carry in the 3rd point of tfc

@Holyduck777 2 жыл бұрын

The bucket and bag in pre fortress was a grenade pickup. Before the game was released they were planning on putting grenades in the game but took them out because grenade spam sucks

@sharpkniveinlatvian1746 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who liked the first stage of Pre-Fortress 2? It gives BLU more cover and less turtling spots for RED.

@raidthegoose7241 2 жыл бұрын

The old dustbowl reminds me of dust 2 of counter strike

@pancakerings 3 ай бұрын

imagine someone recreating dustbowl for quake team fortress

@stoodle511 2 жыл бұрын

very nice

@icefairytf2 2 жыл бұрын

Ledari… I’ve seen this name in a pub before with a phlog. Anyways, nice vid :D new sub

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you did! Phloggers!

@nau6at431 2 жыл бұрын

I have thought about a vid like this way back then. I suddenly went very sad due to our country's current problem and I felt sad, until this came up on my Suggestions. Thank you! 🌞

@NoodleInABox 2 жыл бұрын

music ultrakill soundtrak 0:00

@Turgineer 2 жыл бұрын

Good video.

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@MalusCake 2 жыл бұрын

Underrated

@LEDs 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@spiderm4n 2 жыл бұрын

Actually the picture you used at 0:26 is an updated version of dustbowl released in 2003 on Steam, in 1999 there were just one tunnel instead of two. lol