The importance of Preheating the flue on your wood stove

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Joshua Kelley

Joshua Kelley

4 жыл бұрын

In the first part of the video we show what happens when you don't preheat the flue of your wood stove(It will smoke up your living room & home). It will actually act like there is a blockage in your chimney. The 2nd part is tips on how to preheat your flue. The 3rd part of the video is building a top down fire inside the stove followed up by the actual lighting of the stove.
5:30, the stove is really smoking
7:00 How to preheat your flue
11:00 Flue is now warm, and we light cardboard in the stove to really get this thing going.
14:15 How to build a top down fire

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@lisamargaret6751
@lisamargaret6751 8 ай бұрын
I freaked out two times I had this problem he’s talking about. Nobody told me.Thank you so much!
@HallieWestcott
@HallieWestcott 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Super helpful, and just in time while I air out my house and recover from the panic attack...lol.
@joshuakelley4617
@joshuakelley4617 3 жыл бұрын
you're not alone, this is a common call I get from new users of woodstoves. Several don't understand and call the fire department.
@timrichardson6670
@timrichardson6670 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuakelley4617 Thank you for all the information Joshua, I've had the same problem, our upstairs wood stove has no problem because of the chimney run is a lot shorter so it's a lot easier to get the draft going, I've never once had to heat up the flu but because it's a longer run going up from my basement I think it's harder and there's a bigger column of cold air holding against it.
@stevej822
@stevej822 3 жыл бұрын
I just had one installed and both times I noticed the cold air coming in. Panicked as well. This is what I figured. Thanks for the info.
@rylandtrenton5919
@rylandtrenton5919 2 жыл бұрын
Instablaster.
@aldenbanniettis431
@aldenbanniettis431 Жыл бұрын
I have used all kinds of woodstoves in my years - I have never preheated a flue. I live in northern Maine and I use a parlor-sized (non-cat) stove. The flue goes straight up, inside my two-story house, and out of the roof. About twenty-four feet total. Single wall pipe in the house and double wall on the roof. The stove is run eighteen hours a day, every day for about eight months. I start my fires with a good pile of kindling and logs placed on top. Have never had the slightest problem.
@cr1197
@cr1197 Жыл бұрын
But... you do preheat your flue. If it runs up inside 2 stories of your (warm) house, it's heated as a consequence. Heated in this sense merely meaning wamer than outdoors. Unless you have no other heat source in your home and start the fire to a frigid house.
@babyyoda4012
@babyyoda4012 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Me too, I live in Sweden. Been using wood stoves of all kinds for over 45 years. I always only need to light up a ball of newspaper first to preheat a cold flue and get the air flowing, not napalm or a blow torch. That said, this wood stove has a really bad air flow configuration. I suspect a flubbed installation. More than likely the flue stack ( Chimney) is too short. I bet it isn't 1 meter over the highest peak on the exterior roof . This will cause bad air drag, and can risk asphyxiating the occupants in their sleep from seeping smoke gases ,especially in windy or stormy weathers. In the EU such installations are controlled by experts only before being approved for use, to curb the risks of dying.
@davidp6839
@davidp6839 Жыл бұрын
@@babyyoda4012 Believe me, there's no shortage of regulation here in the good ol' USA. So yes, installs are permitted. I wonder if you've used one of the newer high efficeincy wood fireplace inserts? The flue opening is definitely more restricted than on your classic wood stove. Or maybe your flue/chimney is just naturally warmer for whatever reason due to configuration? I mean he clearly had the issue here, which I've seen elsewhere, and I doubt is due to improper install (since it appears to be a store showroom, lol). Anyway, looking into myself since just had one installed in old fireplace.
@jean-marcfiliatrault266
@jean-marcfiliatrault266 Жыл бұрын
Me neither. I’ve had my own wood-burning stove for 27 years now. It’s a Regency. I’ve, per se, never heated my flue. I’ve never used a blow-torch to start a fire and/or heat the flue. My stove door is fully sealed to the stove. I do the sheet test every year to test this. I start my fire routine by cleaing my door window with newspaper and which I then throw into the stove. I add a fair amount of paper in the stove, and then add two big logs into the stove perpendicularly to the stove door. Then, I put 3 smaller-sized pieces of wood on top, perpendicularly to the big logs. They are about 2” in diameter. Then, I add one more small piece of wood at the very top, perpendicularly to the one’s before. Then, I just light up the paper and let the door cracked open while my stove’s air shutter is fully wide open. The fire starts fairly quickly every time, within a min. or 2 without doing anything else. No blow torch required. Once the top pieces of wood are fully light, I add another log this time on top, perpendicularly to the door. I leave the door cracked for a good 10-15 min from the start of the fire. Once all three logs are fully light at the core, I close the stove door and leave air shutter fully open for another good 5 min. Then, I close it by 2/3s. We are now done. I can enjoy a great fire!
@kurtkaufman
@kurtkaufman Жыл бұрын
I use a small collection of twigs or scraps of logs, together with a small square of *fire starter* (made of pine sap/paraffin and sawdust). I leave the door to the insert open about 4 inches, and the bypass is open of course. After this kindling is burning, I add some slightly larger split pieces (the door remains slightly open still). After all that is burning well, I close the door and the bypass, and, a bit later, add regular split logs. Almost always works, assuming dry wood, of course. You get used to your individual setup. I'm surprised that the stove in the video requires the flu to be pre-heated; I would have thought that using the method I describe above would work here as well. We do have one of those metal **hats** at the top of the flu; perhaps that restricts a potential downdraft?
@grahamrattray336
@grahamrattray336 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, explains the process very well and the reason why it’s important to preheat the flue. I wish I’d seen this video 5 years ago when I got my first log burner. Thank you.
@TIMSANDYSURF
@TIMSANDYSURF Жыл бұрын
Norwegian top light is the solution load your bigger logs then medium, then small and lastly kindling at the top, under the flue. Kindling warms the flue and creates the draft. After a ten minutes with the door slightly ajar you can close it. You don’t need to re fuel until you’ve got a fully hot stove.
@2002drumsonly
@2002drumsonly Жыл бұрын
After all the years of owning a wood stove did not know about pre-heating the flue. Well done, the explanation is excellent!
@outoftime788
@outoftime788 Жыл бұрын
may b you dont hav to. hav u had problems? if not dont wory bout it
@2002drumsonly
@2002drumsonly Жыл бұрын
@outoftime788 When there is no wind preheating is necessary. Now I understand why the wood stove was causing smoke on cold days no wind. Your information I helped alot.
@grahamdougherty226
@grahamdougherty226 2 жыл бұрын
I have been investigating this problem with my new insert. I can't thank you enough!
@tc96z1
@tc96z1 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I got tired of filling the room up with smoke using your technique and a dozen other things. Finally it dawned on me to take a hairdryer and stick it blowing hot air up the flue with the bypass damper open if you have one. Don’t start the 🔥 till you no longer have a cold air backdraft. I buy second hand hairdryers ($5) at the thrift store. That problem is a thing of the past. Usually let the hairdryer run on high heat for about 2 minutes with kindling already in place. Then use a similar torch to ignite the fire. That also works much better than matches or a lighter.
@mikeznel6048
@mikeznel6048 2 жыл бұрын
If you started your fire with just wood, no paper or anything else and started with small shreds the size of a pencil and light itbwith a torch you wouldn't get any smoke. Start small and it starts a draft naturally.
@tc96z1
@tc96z1 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikeznel6048 Every system is different and the flue temperature is also a factor. If you have a downdraft you’re going to have smoke with any type combustible material. When I started to preheat the flue with a hairdryer instead of paper the problem vanished. To each his own. I have an old Dutchwest Federal Airtight and it works fabulous.
@adamstalilonis8787
@adamstalilonis8787 Жыл бұрын
@TM I have a woodstove in my house that has 100% natural draft fire or not . . . Opens stove door in the summer and it pulls out all of the cigarette smoke. . . I uses hair dryer method in garage . . . Put a T stove pipe in and added an iron pipe the size of a tennis ball and then attached hair dryer to that. Just flicks a switch when I'm starting stove. Can leave hair dryer running while the 🔥 is going thus way.
@johnbutler5208
@johnbutler5208 5 ай бұрын
Try using a tuna can. Fill with rubbing alcohol to warm your your stovepipe up . Works great and no smoke. Also works to get your kindlin going.
@SPUDWRENCH
@SPUDWRENCH Жыл бұрын
Your video (smoke blowback) was my nightmare an hour ago. Exactly! So now I can see what I’ve done wrong. Thank you Josh!
@_Moto215
@_Moto215 2 жыл бұрын
Best video I've seen explaining and illustrating this. Awesome job!
@dianevillarreal5378
@dianevillarreal5378 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was super helpful. I was having trouble but my fire is perfect now and no more smokey room.
@dougtowers
@dougtowers Жыл бұрын
Best video explaining the smoke coming in the house! So useful, without too many technicism. Thank you so much!!
@latitudeash
@latitudeash 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent practical example anybody can understand. Thank you… all shops need to give this example
@throttle_therapy0025
@throttle_therapy0025 9 ай бұрын
Great demonstration!
@jeromeprzybilla9999
@jeromeprzybilla9999 9 ай бұрын
I may be wrong but it looked like the damper handle wasn't pulled out when lighting the paper until he used the torch to preheat the flue. One time I forgot to open the damper when lighting my cold stove and smoke was bellowing out the door, I shut the door and I had no smoke leaking out my Blaze King 40 stove. Of course after realizing the closed damper, I opened it and the fire started normally. Good video tho.
@montyhuff8278
@montyhuff8278 Жыл бұрын
Now that I can see the video... I will do this from now on..super helpful thank you!!! Bout wiped out the whole family 🙂
@Recoheat
@Recoheat Жыл бұрын
Really useful tips - thank you
@beglitchery
@beglitchery Жыл бұрын
this is a fantastic demonstration. I bought an old house with a vented gas heater and tried to use it today. It was spilling smoke into the house! This might be the same reason why - I kicked up the fire without heating the flue. I can’t access the interior end of the flue to test for a downdraft, but I suppose I can use a low setting for a half hour or so before kicking up the heater to a higher setting.
@lisamargaret6751
@lisamargaret6751 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@pawelwwlodyga5827
@pawelwwlodyga5827 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Appreciate the sacrifice of smoking yourself out so the rest of us can clearly see what's happening when we don't do it right! Thanks!
@sgrams3578
@sgrams3578 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, even though I have now found a solution to downdrafting in a cold stove I still listen to other solutions to learn as much as possible. When a wood stove chimney goes up through a warm house, warmer than outside temps, down-drafting is minimized. I grew up in SE MN with wood heat only, it was a wood/coal burning furnace located in the basement. The chimney went up through the middle of the house, probably 30 foot or so chimney, I don't ever recall having a drafting problem. Now, 50 years later close to where I grew up I have a wood stove in my newer house as supplemental heat, no basement and on a ridge-line where wind can get up to 40 mph, not unusual. My wood stove chimney rises about 4 ft above the stove then elbows to an outside wall to rise about another 20 ft, I didn't want a hole in the roof. All the chimney is double and triple walled per codes, professionally installed per insurance requirements. I experienced a number of downdrafts and as you mentioned smoke quickly fills the house and it doesn't want to go outside even with all the windows and doors opened, its a bad scene. I find downdrafts even if the stove is a little warm in the mornings, I believe the slightly warm air in the stove is creating a cold air plug, when I open the stove door the warm air in the stove escapes into the room and the cold air plug makes its way into the house and is now a downdraft. I've tried using a hot air gun and a propane torch as you demonstrated with some success but because the propane torch requires the stove to be left open while holding it and lighting paper enough to get an updraft gives off smoke even a little smoke can ruin a room for hours. What I've found the best so far is preparing and placing in the stove some kindling and some cardboard/paper then placing a can of Sterno canned heat away from the kindling I light the Sterno, shut the door completely and watch the flame of the canned heat, once the stove appears to be drafting I open the stove door to feel for a draft when I do feel a draft I safely remove the Sterno and fire up the stove, so far it works the best for me, I found the suggestion on youtube. I am now considering installing a fresh air in-let for the wood stove, one that travels from outside through the crawl space up through the floor and into the back of the wood stove, the installation will include a damper to control the outside air.
@sandiedane9605
@sandiedane9605 2 жыл бұрын
This help me so much! I was ready to get a new stove!
@markcsehak7636
@markcsehak7636 Жыл бұрын
thank you such good helpful info
@wizardsagey
@wizardsagey Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for telling me the airtight stove isn't really air tight!!! Could not figure out why smoke poured out of the seams on every first fire of the season. I have a Hearthstone that must have a break in fire each season and that's the smoky one. Much easier to keep a wood stove going than to start a new fire. I have warmed the flue by burning paper in the outside cleanout at the base of the chimney, but now I realize I need to preheat that flue a lot more before the fire start. Thank you!
@alexpuzankov8453
@alexpuzankov8453 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@pamoffa
@pamoffa 6 ай бұрын
That is great information if the power is out, otherwise I always use a hair dryer to get the draft started. Start the fire, your going to have smoke coming in as usual. Start the hair dryer aim it up the flue, with the smoke happening you will see it start going up, soon as the chimney learns your good. It's quick and fast. I have a dedicated hair dryer for this purpose and a brand new one in a box incase it dies. I don't need a hair dryer in house 😃other then for this unfortunately.
@Redneck_Ed
@Redneck_Ed 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I tried these types of methods in the past, but they still result in lots of time with the wood stove door open and blowing ash particles and/or small amounts of smoke into the house. I just posted a video on my channel of my method which is to use a small space heater placed on the hearth for about 5 minutes with the wood stove door closed. That's enough to heat the metal up and break the downdraft.
@sarahklose4652
@sarahklose4652 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
@lindastowe1633
@lindastowe1633 7 ай бұрын
Super helpful; once every 2 weeks I have a down draft and a smoky house (I use the stove every day). I am going to buy a blow torch today. Thanks!
@williamkinney5019
@williamkinney5019 4 ай бұрын
Hair dryer in a cut out piece of cardboard for 15 minutes. Cut card board to seal opening. Then cut circle in the middle size of hair dryer outlet. Place hairdryer in hole and tirn on. Have stove pre loaded to light off as soon as you pull hairdryer andstove cover off.
@rhythmfield
@rhythmfield Жыл бұрын
I’m new to the world of fireplace inserts & wood stoves - SO glad I saw this video before stuffing the brand-new stove with kindling & just letting ‘er rip with no prep! I suppose in milder weather this whole process isn’t necessary-or just happens faster?
@davidaustin2172
@davidaustin2172 7 ай бұрын
I use a hair dryer or quicker, an electric paint stripper, ( works like a super power hair dryer), all I need is, prepare fire, top loaded, like on video, pre heat flu for just 1 to 2 minutes, light fire and away it goes, so quick!
@quantumofconscience6538
@quantumofconscience6538 8 ай бұрын
This video is sound advice. The good news is, it doesn't take much to get the draft to move the right way unless the outside temp is very, very low. Crack a window or door before lighting. Toss in a small, clean burning, fire starter by itself and let it burn out...., or even put a decent size candle in there for 5 minutes. A chimney "through the house" won't have this problem much vs. a N.E. USA home's popular "exterior chimney" that is ICE COLD BRICK. That can be a problem. Also, a lined chimney will do much better than a big cold brick box !
@sandiedane9605
@sandiedane9605 2 жыл бұрын
I have got a lot of trouble with my stove ! Now I have a idea how to do it! Wish me luck.
@RUDY8501
@RUDY8501 Жыл бұрын
My wood stove is in my basement. If I open the basement door or a window. The back draft basically goes away unless it's very cold out. I also use a torch like shown on those very cold days for about a minute. But opening the basement door makes a big difference compared to not opening it.
@shaunchappell784
@shaunchappell784 Жыл бұрын
Top down lighting method fixes all of this.
@handycrowd
@handycrowd Жыл бұрын
Yup, was totally confused by this video. Lighting paper was the first mistake, all smoke and little fire. When you light a fire the heat it gives off automatically goes up and 'pre' heats the flue...
@tomglock2297
@tomglock2297 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I had a Lopi Rockport installed this past March & really have not used much until now. It has the GreenStart and the smoke was doing exactly what you showed, backing into the room & I thought something was wrong. I didn't think about preheating the flue especially with the colder temps in November. Is it possible to place a heat gun in the stove to heat up the flue? Once again, thank you for this video, it was my problem to the T!
@JdubbJdubb
@JdubbJdubb Жыл бұрын
I like to use lots of kindling, i get a nice hot kindling fire going, and keep the door cracked slightly to draw in air and make a fast, hot fire. I eve my kindling is going well, I’ll throw More kindling in, with smaller size logs in and then close the door after about 20-30 min. At that pint I’m up and rolling. After that start to burn down it’s ready for full size, stove size logs.
@jeffmiller2434
@jeffmiller2434 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you have the bypass open during your initial demonstration? No wonder it smoked so bad lol
@lisamargaret6751
@lisamargaret6751 8 ай бұрын
You explained a problem I just had with smoke filling the house pouring out of the stove
@michaelteti5148
@michaelteti5148 Жыл бұрын
i understand heating up the flue to get the draft going but your paper torch being lit outside the stove puts smoke in the house. i plan on trying a small space heater in the firebox to push the cold air back up and preheating the chimney. but hank you for your video. your stove looked like mine every now and then.
@Jenny28583
@Jenny28583 Жыл бұрын
Uhm, did you have the bypass CLOSED the entire time you tried to start the fire at the beginning? Of course the smoke will pour into the house, where else is it supposed to go? Start your fire with the bypass open and you'll have no issue.
@oksaveadog
@oksaveadog Жыл бұрын
I have used nothing but a wood stove for 40 years. I have never had to preheat my chimney. However, this year I had smoke return and no draw. I tried everything (That bought me here)and finally took the chimney apart, mud daubers had sealed the smoke release in the stove. So if nothing else works, check that..
@al1here
@al1here 2 жыл бұрын
I never had to do that much work to start a fire. You turning people off from getting a insert.
@johnhubble5373
@johnhubble5373 Жыл бұрын
Well that was a good one. Coulda done it in 2 minutes by Putting a paper wad up the flew and lighting it. Alcohol Gel on the kindling and walk away.
@codetutor6593
@codetutor6593 Жыл бұрын
I have a multi-fuel stove that we installed a few months back. When we installed it, if the air handles were all the way closed, we got this drip down the back of the stove along the wall, a tarry substance dripped down and it landed on the stove and smoked up. It smelled disgusting. One trick i discovered was to burn the fuel as hot as I could for about 20 minutes, then you can turn the stove way down, nearly all the way closed and nothing drips. I can only put it down to the flue being heated up. Any tips for this? There is no hole in my wall to the outside, and it's a single walled flue (presumably taking air from the room). All carbon monoxide monitors installed and checked of course.
@xunie4038
@xunie4038 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the smoke issue would be nearly as bad if you opened the catalytic bypass in your first demonstration. Just curious.
@tc96z1
@tc96z1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it is and I caught that too. Whether the air is backdrafting through the cat or the flue make no difference. The smoke isn’t going up a cold chimney blowing cold air down into the firebox.
@Jay__EL
@Jay__EL Жыл бұрын
It would not be nearly as bad. He wanted the dramatic effect.
@pl3637
@pl3637 Жыл бұрын
I have a catalytic insert they tell you not to engage it until internal temp is stable at least at 500 deg looks to me like he was choking his draft off !
@quantumofconscience6538
@quantumofconscience6538 8 ай бұрын
Good point.. a cold catalyst might as well be a solid piece of metal.
@pearlrival3124
@pearlrival3124 Жыл бұрын
unfortunately those leaks are on the design of the stove not the draft. given a warm draft is critical for vertical airflow that doesnt means its required to start a fire. might want to clearance those models.
@janetavarne9627
@janetavarne9627 9 ай бұрын
I've been using a wood-burning stove for 13 years and have never pre-heated the flue. I suspect it's the design of some installations that makes this palaver necessary.
@tess7510
@tess7510 Жыл бұрын
How do I know where the bypass is in my stove? The top of the inside of the stove looks like a big flat covering with small seams on the sides.
@latitudeash
@latitudeash 2 жыл бұрын
Mind you h4 did open the damper to bypass the cat, but great example
@backwoodsbob
@backwoodsbob 4 ай бұрын
If you try and start it with the damper closed it WILL smoke and go out
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw Жыл бұрын
I'm new to wood stoves and mine is not installed yet so I can't test this theory, but could you cut a panel that fits over the door with a couple PC fans, just hold it there for like 30 seconds? In theory it should push warm air from the house up the flue and preheat it that way. Or is that not enough since the air is not actually hot?
@williec.1540
@williec.1540 Жыл бұрын
I'm new to wood stoves as well, it's a good idea BUT if you have ashes in the firebox it'll get messy.
@livefreeordie5534
@livefreeordie5534 2 жыл бұрын
That thing smokes like mad. Something is wrong. Mine never does that. And it's a cheap $1000 Lowes stove. "Scientifically" speaking, doesn't heat seek cold ? Shouldn't the warm air from inside a home want to escape up the cold flue or liner ? I use a decent size firestarter, never paper, "IT SMOKES TOO MUCH". Then close the door almost completely and open the air intake all the way, and the damper if you have one. Should be no problem. If so, then the liner could be undersized, it could have a extra long thimble, or horizontal run through the wall, or too many twists and turns in the liner. I guess some stoves could be different. I've noticed newer stoves tend to be "over engineered". That could be an issue. I feel bad for those who have this issue. I like the hair dryer technique someone mentioned if absolutely necessary.
@rebeccacampbell585
@rebeccacampbell585 2 жыл бұрын
No it's just creating a pump like a steam engine. Or like an old fashioned percolator. It's a normal thing. If you dont have the problem you must have a warm enough flue. Has nothing to do with the stove.
@pearlrival3124
@pearlrival3124 Жыл бұрын
cold air falls thats the problem here. cold is very dense it overwhelms the heat. i noticed the hair dryer guy too lol. while it may work economoically it kind of defeats the purpose of burning wood.
@kevinrichards1539
@kevinrichards1539 Жыл бұрын
I have this same stove. Love it!
@kimmisoo777
@kimmisoo777 Жыл бұрын
I have an elbow above the wood burner about a foot high which leads to the outside of my porch Does that affect it at all
@SPUDWRENCH
@SPUDWRENCH Жыл бұрын
Kim, As I understand it, if that elbow and it’s horizontal connection pipe is tipped upwards at the point it goes through the wall, you should be ok. I’ve got the same set up and it’s according to the installation instructions. You can check it with a small 12” level.
@kimmisoo777
@kimmisoo777 Жыл бұрын
I had no instructions , just me for the first time having a wood burner lolz It's just so hard to get a fire going in it and I think I'm a professional fire starter I've done everything you said and it did help but it still goes out after awhile It's actually 2 45* elbows I'm ready to just give it up because I don't feel like standing outside for 2 hours and babying it
@hc4151
@hc4151 2 жыл бұрын
Can I leave the door open I few hours before I start the fire to preheat it?
@tc96z1
@tc96z1 2 жыл бұрын
Not going to help as cold air will continue to spill into the room. Use a hairdryer to preheat the flue… it works like a charm in a couple of minutes.
@dramc-ov3cp
@dramc-ov3cp Жыл бұрын
Insulated 6" liner solves this problem.
@MrJorgvankleef
@MrJorgvankleef Жыл бұрын
Maybe your chimney is to low ..need more draft and no more smoke problem... Just my experience.....greets from overseas, France Dordogne 👋🏻
@linehand21
@linehand21 Жыл бұрын
I would not recommend getting this stove. It’s a design flaw and not about heating your pipe. I had the same exact problem to where regency had to come out and remove part just to be able to have a draft
@kenfox22
@kenfox22 4 ай бұрын
Your belly will give you heart failure
@dumbotater2158
@dumbotater2158 Жыл бұрын
Ummmm, great video of how to smoke up your house. Ummm, boring. Ummm, can’t stay in the room now.
@pedrothomas4944
@pedrothomas4944 Жыл бұрын
wasted my time 4 sure
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