The Island Party Murders

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Eleanor Neale

Eleanor Neale

Жыл бұрын

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Today's solved true crime case is on the island party murders of ben smart and olivia hope - a couple presumed to be murdered, but as of right now, no bodies have been found - the two of them just disappeared on new years eve and have been missing ever since. Scott Watson is currently convicted for the murders, although many people believe this was a miscarraige of justice and he is falsely convicted. This is a huge huge case in New Zealand, albeit one I'd never heard of before this video, so I would love to know your thoughts on it!
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@EleanorNeale
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@elodiepoirier4927
@elodiepoirier4927 Жыл бұрын
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@Unknown-rw5bm Жыл бұрын
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@dott8348
@dott8348 Жыл бұрын
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@luciahortoncrabbe5478
@luciahortoncrabbe5478 Жыл бұрын
Hi Eleanor I love your videos and have a great new year 💙
@smpb4660
@smpb4660 Жыл бұрын
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@Mssexilexi201
@Mssexilexi201 Жыл бұрын
Those “friends” were not friends. She paid to sleep on the boat and the fact that they wanted to argue instead of kicking someone off is wild to me. They just as shady
@blackkat5605
@blackkat5605 Жыл бұрын
Even if they weren't murdered that is absolutely messed up. Its up to you to find your own safe space
@Mssexilexi201
@Mssexilexi201 Жыл бұрын
@@blackkat5605 people use the term friend too loosely.
@ambermullenax8186
@ambermullenax8186 Жыл бұрын
Were they even friends? I’m confused on who was on the boat. I’d be pissed as well if I was her. She paid and thought about a safe way to sleep after partying and they just took over the boat. People suck!
@jaelynmelena
@jaelynmelena Жыл бұрын
This was my first thought. Her sister was in the wrong as well !
@silent_day
@silent_day Жыл бұрын
If my friends didn't have a place to sleep and we were very close, I'd just have them sleep with me. A few hours of feeling cramped and uncomfortable is preferable to having them stay with a weird stranger
@RachelKatWalsh
@RachelKatWalsh Жыл бұрын
he’s innocent 100%. there’s no way. it boils my blood that someone can be locked up for life for a crime they obviously didn’t commit just so the pigs could save face
@trudylee7869
@trudylee7869 4 ай бұрын
Ikr. The difference between Rich and Poor is clear
@steveflaun
@steveflaun 9 сағат бұрын
I was the same as you from the beginning. Then I sat down and read & listened to Ian Wisharts Elementary 2. Its changed my view. This is based on reading the entire murder book. Everything relating to case. Every single interview. Much of it wasn’t presented at trial because the prosecution had a path to proceed on that didn’t require all the additional testimony He’s guilty in my estimation now. There is a youtube lecture series on Elementary. Seek it out.
@pipsclicks
@pipsclicks Жыл бұрын
How is it possible to put someone in jail for a DOUBLE MURDER, with NO evidence or BODIES. So unfortunate for Ben and Olivia and their families, truly horrific. But, Scott has lost his life to the real murder too. Unbelievable.
@lanie_loo
@lanie_loo Жыл бұрын
Honestly, he lost his life to something he didnt even do
@momma1270
@momma1270 Жыл бұрын
it’s new zealand. not surprised.
@sonja5191
@sonja5191 Жыл бұрын
​@@momma1270New Zealand? Where the French totally underestimated us and got caught for sinking a boat. Bodies are not required for a murder conviction. New Zealand is not alone in this.
@topshgggrrr5577
@topshgggrrr5577 Жыл бұрын
​@@sonja5191 Evidence isn't required either in New Zealand apparently. The only circumstantial evidence is that he wasn't a nice guy New Zealand is a joke
@valesca3183
@valesca3183 5 ай бұрын
A Chilean guy got convicted for murder in France with 28 years old jail without a body found and a lot of circumstantial evidence . I don’t disagree though I think he was guilty
@yomigonzalez9870
@yomigonzalez9870 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being Amelia, not kicking an extra person off the boat and telling your little sister to go find somewhere else to sleep and then having her go missing. Wtf? That was her little sister. She must have felt horrible.
@AMMA83
@AMMA83 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you at least brought up the sister, everyone else is honing in on the friends but really her sister had more of a responsibility to her than her friends.
@itzbel4081
@itzbel4081 Жыл бұрын
I think the guilt is kind of deserved though, if she had saved space for her Hope would still be alive. It’s sad but it’s true.
@breesnutz
@breesnutz Жыл бұрын
honestly she should feel guilty
@mersyvortex4129
@mersyvortex4129 Жыл бұрын
She should feel horrible. This is not the situation where a random action accidentally led to a tragedy, she sent her drunk teenage sister to roam through the night, this is simply putting someone in danger
@vivikahennemuth3278
@vivikahennemuth3278 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe a man was convicted of a crime like this with zero evidence. The parole rules aren’t fair either.
@declanmatters1291
@declanmatters1291 Жыл бұрын
That parole rule isn't fair... if people are wrongfully found guilty and that's it (which is limited & the only times it's debated). Outside of that they do fit a purpose particularly with violence / murder based crimes that they have remorse and are therefore rehabilitated enough to reenter society. In the assumption that someone else was rightly convicted of murder, people should be like yup I absolutely shouldn't have done that and have no intentions of reoffending based on the nature of their crime and the risk they possess to their community if they are released having committed the crime they have. That requirement kind of does matter for the majority so I can understand the argument that it's detrimental to people that don't want to admit to a crime they didn't do but I don't think that overall outweighs the need for it majority of the time for actually guilty people.
@kaylaeileen4704
@kaylaeileen4704 Жыл бұрын
I'm from New Zealand, and our parole laws are shit. We don't have a justice system... there is no justice, I know this full well from personal experience.
@mort6539
@mort6539 Жыл бұрын
Seriously. Do people not have to proven guilty without a reasonable doubt? Because there is so much reasonable doubt
@sleepy-emerald
@sleepy-emerald Жыл бұрын
Yeah. The saying "innocent until proven guilty"? There was no proven guilty here, no justice, nothing.
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
@@kaylaeileen4704 If the NZ Parole Board let this sexually motivated murdering psychopath out into the streets of NZ, they would be failing in their duty of care to the public. Read the 4 decisions. He is at a 'very high risk' of re-offending.
@Crimenyrimel
@Crimenyrimel Жыл бұрын
She was so close to her sister she kicked her out of the boat they both paid, knowing she’s drunk and underage. Just WOW. Poor Olivia she deserved better.
@christie_anime8905
@christie_anime8905 Жыл бұрын
I think in New Zealand you can drink once you turn 18
@melissaj9723
@melissaj9723 Жыл бұрын
@@christie_anime8905 you can drink at any age with parental permission! 18 is to buy alcohol
@christie_anime8905
@christie_anime8905 Жыл бұрын
@@melissaj9723 lol I don't think you can drink when your 8
@melissaj9723
@melissaj9723 Жыл бұрын
@@christie_anime8905 with parent permission, it is any age
@amazingcoolboy212
@amazingcoolboy212 Жыл бұрын
@@christie_anime8905 But Olivia was 17. Doesn't make much of a difference ik but still, the fact that she was still technically underage makes it worse that they just kicked her off the boat.
@thesimpsons2010
@thesimpsons2010 Жыл бұрын
This must really haunt Guy Wallace considering he was the one who saw the real killer and knows he is still out there and the fact that he knew in his gut they shouldn't go with him but couldn't stop them or convince the police of who and what he actually saw.It must have felt like the Twilight zone.
@donnawatson3429
@donnawatson3429 Жыл бұрын
Guy Wallace commited suicide in 2021, but right to the end stated that the police got it wrong
@SLIPPINBLOOD
@SLIPPINBLOOD Жыл бұрын
He apparently was supposed to go back on trial as a key witness sometime around 2021 but died of a suspicious suicide. Its all so sketchy. The conspiracy theorist in me goes to thinking that maybe the murderer was some kind of rich guy or influential person in the area and it got covered up somehow. Or that he was not from there (he has a boat after all) and just got away w it and police just wanted a conviction. Idk
@thesimpsons2010
@thesimpsons2010 Жыл бұрын
@@SLIPPINBLOOD That's exactly what I thought after you told me the first part. Poor Guy Wallace. Hopefully the evil person who did this is brought to Justice.
@farahoreilly6835
@farahoreilly6835 Жыл бұрын
He actually committed suicide last year, so many people were affected by this situation.
@colon5246
@colon5246 11 ай бұрын
​@@SLIPPINBLOODi mean makes sense to have a boat like that you must be rich as hell
@BantheBans
@BantheBans Жыл бұрын
This is why I don't think my irrational fear of being falsely accused of a crime and imprisoned is all that irrational
@sweetembrace6706
@sweetembrace6706 7 ай бұрын
exceptionally rare false accusations do not reflect reality btw. its still irrational.
@technobrain666
@technobrain666 5 ай бұрын
@@sweetembrace6706true. it's probably much more likely to get murdered yourself than to be falsely accused of murder.
@eternalsunshineofthespotlessme
@eternalsunshineofthespotlessme Жыл бұрын
What a frustrating case! I think Scott was wrongly convicted and it's one of the worst injustices I've ever had of.
@brooklyn2786
@brooklyn2786 Жыл бұрын
Not the worst actually a innocent guy spent 30 years in jails. Quite common actually their not always gonna find the killer as the media loves to portray
@happy2197
@happy2197 Жыл бұрын
If you are interested in miscarriages of justice there is a brilliant movie about a true story here in the UK when there were troubles in Ireland. It’s called ‘In the name of the Father’. It’s heartbreaking but really really interesting
@arielperez3613
@arielperez3613 Жыл бұрын
If he was wrongly convicted then this is basically a unsolved missing persons case
@estellaxo8
@estellaxo8 Жыл бұрын
@@arielperez3613 yeah that’s what i thought but i guess they came to a conclusion on what happened so they say it’s solved
@upat5am368
@upat5am368 Жыл бұрын
There's a case where a 14 year old was sentenced to the electric chair. Being accused on robbery? Or murder. I can't remember I don't like the case its heart breaking
@morgangoodell2840
@morgangoodell2840 Жыл бұрын
It’s sad when people wrongly get convicted. It’s kind of scary that someone can get put away for life with very little evidence that didn’t even commit a crime. Unfortunately it happens a lot.
@MrSiBrum
@MrSiBrum Жыл бұрын
Yes, for sure. I find (unlike this case) it's people with mental health disorders that the blame gets put on. It is genuinely scary. The justice system, worldwide, is corrupt as heck. Innocent people get put away just because of their personality, whilst the actual sick individuals get away "Scott Free" . Your comment was 100% on point.
@tatamdavidson115
@tatamdavidson115 Жыл бұрын
Just terrifying isn't it!
@jaymescutsinger9313
@jaymescutsinger9313 Жыл бұрын
I agree that it's sad when somebody who's innocent is putting the jail or prison, however I do disagree that it happens a lot. The system by and large works really well it's just terribly slow!
@katiehunt9296
@katiehunt9296 Жыл бұрын
It’s like the Amanda Knox case, it’s truly terrifying
@ayybibi
@ayybibi Жыл бұрын
@@jaymescutsinger9313 the system doesn’t and has never worked “well”
@paigetaylor7670
@paigetaylor7670 Жыл бұрын
I’m from NZ and this case is such an unsettling mystery. Most of us here don’t believe Scott had anything to do with it, nor had enough evidence to be charged with anything..
@sonja5191
@sonja5191 Жыл бұрын
Most believe he is innocent? Did you take a poll on that. Don't speak for me.
@urdad492
@urdad492 Жыл бұрын
speak for yourself.
@noname-tj3rp
@noname-tj3rp 11 ай бұрын
Im from NZ and I completely agree with you! Everyone I know believes he is innocent!!!
@strawberrymilkshakesss
@strawberrymilkshakesss 11 ай бұрын
​@@sonja5191"Most". Read.
@strawberrymilkshakesss
@strawberrymilkshakesss 11 ай бұрын
​@@urdad492yikes
@Jude_Lizowski
@Jude_Lizowski Жыл бұрын
I'm from New Zealand, I'm from the Marlborough region. I have family members that knew Scott and gave a character statement. Thank you for covering this case, this means a lot to us, thank you
@carlmanvers5009
@carlmanvers5009 Жыл бұрын
Fellow Marlburian here. Some of my family were called as witnesses. Scott's incarceration is a complete travesty.
@vinixesona
@vinixesona Жыл бұрын
What is your and your family's opinion on the case?
@Jude_Lizowski
@Jude_Lizowski Жыл бұрын
@@vinixesona We don't think Scott did it. There was quite a bit of evidence that said that he didn't do it. My grandmother knew him personally and she always said that he was too dumb to kill someone and hide the body so that no one could find it. It wasn't in his character. Sure he was a bit violent but he would never kill someone.
@NoseyNuNu
@NoseyNuNu 5 ай бұрын
This is so sad. I hope he can get help somehow 🙏🏿❤️
@vickymaynard4963
@vickymaynard4963 4 ай бұрын
How could they convict a man with no evidence and what they thought they had was tainted? It's beyond reasonable thinking. Sounds like everyone associated with the investigations was tampered with IMO!
@lexijacobson3077
@lexijacobson3077 Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t there but in my eyes there’s no way he’s guilty. Months of bugging his home and two separate forensic searches and nothing came up. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case where police literally tell the public that their star witness is ‘remembering wrong.’ And that the other witnesses who saw the boat are wrong too. How fucking insane. Those cops had an agenda for sure. That poor man, and those kids’ families will never know what happened to them.
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
Does not help that their Star Witness (Guy Wallace) made a 100% false statement to the police and signed it. He then had to admit that he had done this. The police also told ALL witnesses not to speak to any other witnesses, due to contamination of memories and so on. What do a bunch of them do Including Guy? compare notes, start embellishing, hence the ever evolving fantasies that emerged. Oh and by the way, - I am surprised this video maker has not mentioned this - , but 'those kids' families' know and accept that Scott Watson took their children away.
@Kxii77813x
@Kxii77813x Жыл бұрын
No like really tho? This is so crazy to me. 2 months of the boat and the parents house being bugged and not a thing! There’s no chance he wouldn’t of said something in that time, anything at all. 2 separate searches and nothing. The police suspected he could of killed them in that boat yet no blood no bleach NO evidence of anything at all. The way the man looked according to the taxi driver and all the other witnesses too compared to how Scott looked? I just find it so so so sad that this man is literally sat in jail right now for life over something he hasn’t done. So sad.
@invyonyoutube6061
@invyonyoutube6061 Жыл бұрын
when she said he was found guilty I literally went "WHAT?? WHAT THE FUCK???" OUT LOUD and continued to do so until the video was over. dude there's NO way
@renn8827
@renn8827 Жыл бұрын
Lmao I just loudly said Bru… what the fuck like it doesn’t even make sense
@virahpayam
@virahpayam Жыл бұрын
SAME!! 😱
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
cos you didn't get the full picture from this video.
@AlexusMusic
@AlexusMusic Жыл бұрын
Literally !! They put a innocent man in prison & let a murderer just walk away. Probably has killed MANY more people smh
@giiness508
@giiness508 Жыл бұрын
@@tlcdogspa5512 so where do we get the full picture from?
@erikabennett4210
@erikabennett4210 Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine being Amelia and knowing you could have saved your sister and her friend but you just let them leave? Heartbreaking.
@georgieadams8259
@georgieadams8259 Жыл бұрын
Let's also remember that the new detective(whatever his name was) IMMEDIATELY shifted the case to a homicide investigation instead of a missing persons investigation with absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest that the two were dead. They didn't even have witness statements to suggest the two were dead, nothing even circumstantial. That to me immediately set the tone for how this case was going to go.
@Kvbain1967
@Kvbain1967 8 ай бұрын
I reallt don’t think I’m this situation it makes much of a difference because they obviously didn’t disappear themselves, they were killed.
@whosyazlol
@whosyazlol 5 ай бұрын
i 100 percent agree. he changed the case to a homocide without any evidence and it screams shady to me.
@cintaminbunny
@cintaminbunny 2 ай бұрын
​@@Kvbain1967it makes a huge difference. You don't know if someone is dead or missing yet immediately try to find a murderer instead of the person who kidnapped them.
@dylangunguwo6494
@dylangunguwo6494 Жыл бұрын
The police are scared of getting proved wrong if they test the scull. Guy kept on telling them they’re getting it wrong so did the other 2 witnesses WHO SAW THE ABDUCTOR. It’s so frustrating bc you’ve just convicted an innocent man and not given the victims and their family’s justice
@chronic_payne5669
@chronic_payne5669 Жыл бұрын
They know damn well that skull belongs to Olivia and the cruelty to not test it for both Scott Watson and her family, is a complete injustice.
@dylangunguwo6494
@dylangunguwo6494 Жыл бұрын
@@chronic_payne5669 the only explanation is they knew they were wrong. They could’ve easily found that guy his boat was absolutely massive but the police are so stuck up their own arses they’re getting their suspect literally handed to them on a plate what he looks like what he was driving (probably living in) but bc of this guys disorderly actions while drunk they thought it was ok to leave it
@bettyir4302
@bettyir4302 Жыл бұрын
@@dylangunguwo6494 Makes you wonder how many other cases those cops railroaded.
@dylangunguwo6494
@dylangunguwo6494 Жыл бұрын
@@bettyir4302 defo thousands of different cases they just shove them under the rug cah they’re lazy to properly investigate it’s so sad man
@raen19
@raen19 Жыл бұрын
@@bettyir4302 the same lead detective ran the Lisa Blakie murder case, and made a meal of it. The guy they nailed for it was a bad guy, but there's strong reason to believe that he wasn't Lisa's killer. If you're not familiar with that case, it's an interesting one that's worth a read.
@notsilkorsatan2000
@notsilkorsatan2000 Жыл бұрын
Wait, never mind the shoddy police work, HOW ON EARTH did they find a HUMAN SKULL and not test anything about it to find out who it was?!
@z.z.1876
@z.z.1876 Жыл бұрын
That's actually a very good question. Sooner or later I'm sure it is supposed to be tested - at least to determine that cause of death was not homicide.
@darnunt
@darnunt Жыл бұрын
My guess is they suspect it might be Olivia's and they are fully aware of what that means. If the case reopens, there is a chance that Scott will be proven innocent of the crime and everyone will find out how royally they screwed up the case. Scott will most likely sue for the wrongful conviction and everyone else will be in an outrage. I think they want to avoid that scenario becoming reality. I also have a feeling that the police actually knows who the killer is, but that person might be someone they don't want to touch. Either because they might be a relative of some higher-up or a very rich guy. Yes, I know this sounds like a tinfoil cap conspiracy theory. I also know that other wrongfully convicted people were exonerated and compensated before. It's just a theory of mine because the way this case was handled is beyond shady. It's clear that only time will tell and I will either be proven right or wrong. My only hope is that justice will be made and Ben and Olivia's family will get some sort of closure.
@Dannielle.S
@Dannielle.S Жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!!! Were they worried it would prove they’re complete screw ups that convicted an innocent man?! I freaking think so! Crazy to me, the ppl related to that poor girl/skull deserve closure! Smfh
@julii9019
@julii9019 Жыл бұрын
FRRRR
@fyogore
@fyogore Жыл бұрын
no literally.. even if it wasn't olivia, it could have been another victim that the police didn't even know about
@samwenzel2287
@samwenzel2287 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, could you imagine having fun and drinking for a New Years party and waking up being accused of a DOUBLE murder :(
@samwenzel2287
@samwenzel2287 Жыл бұрын
Well, not fun in his case cus he did a lot of shitty things, but still.
@u_eno_yama_
@u_eno_yama_ 10 ай бұрын
right? plus olivia and ben's families that had to start the year with a situation like this and not even getting justice for it
@technobrain666
@technobrain666 5 ай бұрын
i mean, i wouldn't call sexually harassing and groping women having fun, but yeah, i also don't think he murdered ben and olivia. he should have been only sentenced for the crimes he really commited. even sadder that the person who really is responsible for their disappearance is still a free man.
@mydaughter9572
@mydaughter9572 Жыл бұрын
People in true crime often say "this case is going to get you frustrated" but this is honestly the first time I was so mad at a case being so mishandled
@christyanderson6827
@christyanderson6827 Жыл бұрын
The real killer is out there somewhere just laughing. Makes me sick
@kamrynxo
@kamrynxo Жыл бұрын
i hope not 😢i hope the guilt eats at them and they’re caught eventually 😥
@Threefour_opennanoor
@Threefour_opennanoor Жыл бұрын
@@kamrynxo psychopaths don’t feel guilt, they don’t feel anything.
@CharlotteLarkins
@CharlotteLarkins Жыл бұрын
@@kamrynxo over 20yrs later, I doubt they're feeling too guilty
@nickyblue4866
@nickyblue4866 Жыл бұрын
Im not laughing... but i am giggling while on my boat.
@DIAKOURSHEET
@DIAKOURSHEET Жыл бұрын
It is the guy/ texi driver I bet! U cant just dismiss that guy who killz himself after being accused of assulting underAgeGirls
@pissoff1144
@pissoff1144 Жыл бұрын
It is so scary to think that the actual murderer is just roaming free, and this man is serving time for what another human has done.
@sallylees467
@sallylees467 Жыл бұрын
Exactly :(. We need justice for Scott
@permanentlurker561
@permanentlurker561 Жыл бұрын
Terrifying to think about the mystery man sailing around hunting people for the last 20+ years.
@user-ng8tj8cb9c
@user-ng8tj8cb9c Жыл бұрын
ikr it makes me sick
@jocelyn.__.
@jocelyn.__. Жыл бұрын
and the fact that he could be older and die any time without ever being caught and once he’s dead there’s not much they can do after. complete bullshit.
@jessiebarrtt
@jessiebarrtt Жыл бұрын
As a new zealander this case is so untalked about i honestly forgot about it until now. rlly not fair blew over so quick. our government makes our crime rates so low because they don’t prosecute anyone for anything and when they do they try to shush it. thank you for bringing it to the light
@woodman9551
@woodman9551 8 ай бұрын
As a New Zealander this is the first time I’ve heard of this case!!
@ianrobinson4200
@ianrobinson4200 16 күн бұрын
Have no idea how, it's been one of the biggest news stories here the last 25-30 years
@alicexx3116
@alicexx3116 Жыл бұрын
It’s outrageous that they could imprison him with no proof at all! Maybe he wasn’t a great person but is terrifying because this could happen to anyone if they’d decide to frame us. I can’t believe he got charged and it got never overruled, there is no proof he has even met these people and so much points in another direction. It’s like they didn’t try to look for a guy and a boat that actually fit the description at all. It’s crazy.
@destinyera111
@destinyera111 Жыл бұрын
I would just like to say what an awful friend she had. She paid to have a safe space to sleep in... and she was turned away. That is something I would not like to live with.
@thepersonwiththepanels5351
@thepersonwiththepanels5351 Жыл бұрын
Precisely! Especially when she was so incredibly young, way too young to be drinking the way she had been. I can’t imagine the guilt her sister must feel for essentially throwing her younger sibling and her friend/significant other/what have you to the wolves, even if she wasn’t directly responsible.
@blackkat5605
@blackkat5605 Жыл бұрын
I mean they wouldn't have passed if it weren't for the entitled friends...
@kencoiarosie
@kencoiarosie Жыл бұрын
Exactly! They should have kicked some of the party goers that did not pay
@cintaminbunny
@cintaminbunny 2 ай бұрын
Yeah im happy i don't live a lifestyle like that. I couldn't live with myself if i was the one that indirectly caused it.
@andicam
@andicam Жыл бұрын
soon after this case happened, my dad was fishing in the Marlborough sounds and he caught a watch on his line that had the initials "B.S" on the back of it. He contacted the police and all they said was "nah you're miles away from the location so it won't be anything" as if disposing of evidence isn't something murderers literally do. Never found out if it was just a coincidence or if my dad actually stumbled upon evidence and police ignored it because it didn't fit their storyline.
@dawnie4676
@dawnie4676 Жыл бұрын
😢
@shaz8486
@shaz8486 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s what they do sadly, ignore any REAL evidence!😢
@SLIPPINBLOOD
@SLIPPINBLOOD Жыл бұрын
Maybe you could ask family members if they knew of him ever having a watch like that.. if possible ofc Did your dad keep it?
@annag6400
@annag6400 Жыл бұрын
Your dad definitely should have tried to contact the family of Ben to see if it was his watch
@andicam
@andicam Жыл бұрын
@@annag6400 easier said than done in the 90's-00's when technology isn't what it is today unfortunately, that sort of stuff isn't widely shared public information either
@divineakande6654
@divineakande6654 Жыл бұрын
Their “friends” should’ve never let them go like at all. Also I have no idea how that detective got his job. My 10 year old brother would do a better job than he did, very obviously he just didn’t like Scott and wanted him incarcerated. It’s very very very clear the insane miscarriage of justice, ignoring reports dismissing evidence, literal tampering of evidence which is a crime in itself and the refusal to test the skull. It’s literal discrimination.
@divineakande6654
@divineakande6654 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s one of three things. 1. Purely just abuse of power and personal bias against Scott. 2. They know the abductor and they’re either unable to catch him or he is a former police officer/family member or 3. All of the above, they know Scott to be a dick and it was a mixture of wrong timing and a cover up.
@divineakande6654
@divineakande6654 Жыл бұрын
Because there’s no other logical reason for a “detective” to be so adamant on a person when evidence proves otherwise .
@octavia1996
@octavia1996 6 ай бұрын
About the fact he painted his boat and it was especially clean, A LOT of people on new year get inspired to tidy and make a fresh start for the new year.
@kitsune5459
@kitsune5459 Жыл бұрын
If you ask me, as soon as the Water taxi guy said about the description of the boat and the person they knew who he was and that's why they started to cover up, either the mistery guy was a Police officer pretty well known or was someone very well connected and worst they probably knew this person was about to do what he did
@nightwishlady
@nightwishlady Жыл бұрын
I witnessed a case somewhat similar, in my case the guy had parents who were wealthy and very well connected with law enforcement, I am talking higher ups and supreme court , in my case they framed a guy who was arrested for several countings of rape and murderer, so they just added one more body to his bill, I saw the people guilty who were guilty, me and my friend were even oriented to "vanish" for a while and falsely report that we lost our IDs so people wouldn't know we said who actually was and to make it seem like we were there to report our IDs that were lost, so my bet it's that the real murderer is either a politician, someone very wealthy or connected with higher ups, I must say even supreme court level for them to frame literally a guy with practically no proof whatsoever
@marksgirl8295
@marksgirl8295 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought too. The long haired, blue boat guy had something to do with the police. Maybe as simple as an informant.
@declanmatters1291
@declanmatters1291 Жыл бұрын
Police connection of some sort is possible but I think more likely it was a third possibility of high profile missing teen case with a lot of public scrutiny and the police doing whatever they can to get it cleared asap even potentially knowing that guy didn't do it and manipulating evidence / witnesses for that conclusion so the public doesn't start criticizing them for this high profile case going unsolved and that's how the corruption came into play. There are many wrongful conviction cases where police have done exactly that unfortunately.
@marieroo2423
@marieroo2423 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!!! Agreed!
@AmyWrightTheNerd
@AmyWrightTheNerd Жыл бұрын
Exactly what my thoughts were. It appears as though the police are covering for somebody. I just pray that there will be proper justice in the future, but looks unlikely
@martamaboo
@martamaboo Жыл бұрын
So sad how she paid for that boat and they couldn't stay on it overnight. Things could've turned out so differently, it's heartbreaking.
@garciagarcia309
@garciagarcia309 Жыл бұрын
Yup. I was annoyed AF about that especially cuz her sister didn't have her back in that situation. If that was my sister 2 people who didn't pay we're gunna be leaving. Pretty sure he was gunna share a bed with her so the whole he didn't pay didn't really hold up to that...btw love your name. Don't find a lot of people with same spelling
@DubsTV93
@DubsTV93 Жыл бұрын
I hope those people feel guilty!
@barbiepimpin2554
@barbiepimpin2554 Жыл бұрын
Fr and if she was my sister I would’ve at least let her sleep with me, it’s so unfortunate.
@LadyMFUnicorn
@LadyMFUnicorn Жыл бұрын
Everyone who didn't plan well is why they died. I hope they hurt so they never do it again.
@ScrewgeMcF_ck
@ScrewgeMcF_ck Жыл бұрын
@@garciagarcia309 To be fair, we don’t actually know if her sister was aware of the situation in the moment. Eleanor never specifically said the sister was aware she wouldn’t be there in the morning, instead referring to the majority of the group having that knowledge. They may have told her the following morning. Also, we don’t know if she did offer her space, and Olivia refused to take it. Much like we can’t blame Olivia and Ben for making poor judgement by agreeing to share a space with a stranger because they were intoxicated, we can’t necessarily blame everyone who crashed there. Was it douchey? Sure. Were they level-minded enough to immediately see their error and the consequences of forcing them to be without a place to sleep all night? Likely no.
@hellothere1973
@hellothere1973 Жыл бұрын
Crazy to think that the actual murderer is probably still out and about and got away with all of it. I low key feel bad for Scott. I can’t ever imagine being falsely accused for something that you know deep in your heart that you didn’t do. Real true Justice for Olivia and Ben, I hope they really get that one day. A theory could also be that the police were probably working with the scrubby looking man. I don’t know much about boats but his boat looks pretty luxurious. He was probably rich or had connections with the police. It’s pretty common after all to see people with higher status’ get away with crimes and police work with them. Idk because there’s no reason for the police to be going this hard on a targeted suspect that didn’t even fit the description at all of real life witness like Guy and the 2 couple. What if they are protecting this scrubby man. Really have a strong feeling Scott didn’t do it and if thats really the case, I hope he gets justice as well
@samanthaM7119
@samanthaM7119 Жыл бұрын
It enrages me that they were most likely hearing about it on the news and the absolute dupers delight they had during this time
@noname-tj3rp
@noname-tj3rp 11 ай бұрын
The sad thing is the real murderer has probably murdered again since.....
@hellothere1973
@hellothere1973 11 ай бұрын
@@noname-tj3rp exactly probably connected to so many unsolved cases. Like how many lives have to be taken for the police to open their eyes smh
@caramccann9058
@caramccann9058 Жыл бұрын
One thing I thought of while listening is why didn’t the police ask the water taxi driver to retrace the route he took Ben & Olivia, including where he dropped them off. That would help a lot with finding possible witnesses, seeing if Scott’s boat was in that vicinity, among other things.
@Liliika
@Liliika Жыл бұрын
The cops had tunnel vision and probably could t have cared at all about the truth
@notsae66
@notsae66 9 ай бұрын
Because they are either so incompetent a pack of brain dead lizards could outwit them, or are actively corrupt and knowingly covered up for the real killer.
@nooreenmakhani6890
@nooreenmakhani6890 Жыл бұрын
This is seriously the WORST case of dodgy police work I've ever heard of! Serial Killers have gotten away with murder with a lot more physical evidence, and there was none in this case! I feel so bad for the guy of he's innocent, and it definitely sounds like he is
@iLoveYouShow1
@iLoveYouShow1 Жыл бұрын
nah the worst is Kendrick Johnson, he never received fake justice and his known murderer is still free.
@HunnieBunnie21
@HunnieBunnie21 Жыл бұрын
Look into the boys on the track
@rusty_lee6472
@rusty_lee6472 Жыл бұрын
The head police officer was involved.
@shelceegraves1241
@shelceegraves1241 Жыл бұрын
@@HunnieBunnie21 Yes, that case is super frustrating too!
@grace-chandler.nz505
@grace-chandler.nz505 Жыл бұрын
I’m from New Zealand and I promise our police force isn’t always crap at cases, the Olivia hope and ben Smart Case really scares me and my mum was good friend with Ben’s brother. My family doesn’t know what to think of this case but I believe that he’s innocent
@daquelly2660
@daquelly2660 Жыл бұрын
Is there any evidence that makes people believe he DID do it? I’m really confused by those who feel he may have
@jhalakmalhotra2029
@jhalakmalhotra2029 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss.
@MrSiBrum
@MrSiBrum Жыл бұрын
It's the same in a lot of countries. The feds do a decent job, but you only hear about the failings of the force. Ultimately, there should never be failings like this. It's horrific. The police force (I guess) do well more good than they do bad, but, the bad they do (even if it's just one thing) is one too much, especially when it's as significant as this case is.
@millymcnaughton9227
@millymcnaughton9227 Жыл бұрын
Same here i agree there are other cases that they have solved so fast s well
@melissagilby3959
@melissagilby3959 Жыл бұрын
I’m from NZ to this case was so sad! I also don’t believe Scott did it.
@baileyfitzpatrick8589
@baileyfitzpatrick8589 Жыл бұрын
As a mother, I would in no way ever be satisfied with this type of verdict. My heart goes out to their parents. I wish I could believe they just ran off together but the witness statements as to seeing the two kids on the boat with the scruffy man made my stomach sink. The police set up and incarcerated an innocent man in the aftermath of a double murder meaning someone with blood on their hands walked away and probably became a serial killer.
@psychinstyle2295
@psychinstyle2295 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Marlborough and we have a building dedicated to Olivia Hope at my high school, such a heartbreaking case 😞 Thank you so much for covering it!
@joelleg8415
@joelleg8415 Жыл бұрын
The dude who was driving a water taxi and worked near water, so like he knew his boats and immediately noticed the ketch. I trust him like he has to know details a regular person doesn't. Edit: turns out he also killed himself :/
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
I'm a boat guy myself and it is genuinely impossible to mistake a 2 masted Ketch for a 1 masted small yacht. The police's arrogance that they think they know more is infuriating and is indicative of why they are so terrible at police work.
@karencooper3428
@karencooper3428 Жыл бұрын
Oh no, unless it was him, then he's still needed 🧐
@joelleg8415
@joelleg8415 Жыл бұрын
@@karencooper3428 yeahh
@karencooper3428
@karencooper3428 Жыл бұрын
@@joelleg8415 he's the only one to know the boat they got on to, if it wasn't for a couple being dropped off afterwards.... Do we know what guy did after that?
@joelleg8415
@joelleg8415 Жыл бұрын
@@karencooper3428 that's trueee
@314nc4
@314nc4 Жыл бұрын
the thought that the murderer could be still out there living his life normally or even doing the same things again and again it’s absolutely horrifying. Rest in peace for these 2 young souls
@mikoevelynn111
@mikoevelynn111 Жыл бұрын
One of the most frustrating things about hearing about this is the police going after a different guy completely unrelated to the evidence, WHILE the murderer is GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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@sophiadunstan4214
@sophiadunstan4214 Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna be honest, I’m from New Zealand and I’m pretty sure this is the first time I’ve heard of this case, so good on you Ellie for spreading the word on cases like these that more people need to here about!
@raen19
@raen19 Жыл бұрын
I've followed this case for a long time, and it has always enraged me. I don't believe that Scott killed Ben and Olivia. His conviction, with a lack of any tangible evidence, is absolutely unjust. There is far more than just 'reasonable' doubt here, the crown's case was so full of holes that I still struggle to understand how they managed to get a conviction out of it. Meanwhile Scott is stuck in prison, and gets to watch real killers start their sentence, do their time, get parole and leave, while he's still stuck there pleading his innocence. Scott's case ranks as probably the worst miscarriage of justice in NZ's recent history (alongside the wrongful convictions of Arthur Allan Thomas and Teina Pora). If you're interested in more cases from NZ with some less-than-stellar police work, check out David Tamihere (the murder of Swedish backpackers Urban Hoglin and Heidi Paakkonen), the murder of Lisa Blakie, the Lundy family murders or the Crewe murders. Edit: the Lisa Blakie case was also run by Rob Pope, the same guy that ran the Scott Watson case, and is also controversial for the same reasons.
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
well yes, but Timothy Taylor chose to cover for his gang mates. That is on him.
@jasmined7233
@jasmined7233 Жыл бұрын
Interesting! I feel like something is missing here.. What is the argument pointing to his guilt?? Just wondering b/c this video doesn't cover that side well. This case feels like a prime example of winning an appeal, there just isn't enough IMO to hold him... at the very least he should be offered an Alfred plea (no idea if NZ law offers anything like that).
@Kryzttal
@Kryzttal Жыл бұрын
@@jasmined7233 “Alfred plea”.
@jasmined7233
@jasmined7233 Жыл бұрын
@@Kryzttal Yes! fixed TY... that's what I get for watching video's in the middle of the night! LOL.
@karmica7591
@karmica7591 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, I’mma look into those cases as well
@littIetoe
@littIetoe Жыл бұрын
As a New Zealander, I've heard of this case SO many times and every time I hear someone say "Glad they found the guy" my blood boils.
@sallylees467
@sallylees467 Жыл бұрын
Mine too, he is clearly innocent. The real murderer is still free
@littIetoe
@littIetoe Жыл бұрын
@@sallylees467 Without a doubt. The police work in this case and cases before the 2000s' was corrupt as hell in New Zealand.
@yashshelar417
@yashshelar417 9 ай бұрын
How tf can they convict him with literally zero evidence? Corrupt officials surely had to be paid to falsely convict him. And they focused the entire investigation onto framing Scott instead of looking into what actually happened to Olivia and Ben. AND they found a human skull and just refused to test it. Absolutely outrageous! Someone needs to start a petition for this guy. Hoping for the best for this guys future
@jonnalarsson3614
@jonnalarsson3614 Жыл бұрын
If you want another case with extremely sad and frustrating Police work there's this Swedish case called "kevin" and it's about a 4 year old boy who was found murdered and his two friends (age 7 and 5) was found guilty. There's a documentary with footage of the questioning of these boys and much more. It was truly the saddest case I've ever seen
@jazminrene6764
@jazminrene6764 Жыл бұрын
oh my god! i think i know the case you’re talking about!
@8luvbug
@8luvbug 10 ай бұрын
What's it called
@jonnalarsson3614
@jonnalarsson3614 10 ай бұрын
@8luvbug If you Google "Kevin Hjalmarsson" it should come up unless the documentary is region locked
@kaiyalee3785
@kaiyalee3785 Жыл бұрын
The people that took her place on the yacht SHE paid for makes my blood boil
@jendee5376
@jendee5376 Жыл бұрын
hey, personaly i think its a cover up for a very wealthy person or persons who got their kicks doing whatever to theese people. Seriously this happens. Scott was the perfect patsy. He was fraimed for a crime he did not do. perhaps they were harvested or sold into the black market. DISCUSTING
@Spiral_Out
@Spiral_Out Жыл бұрын
The man they put away for this is innocent. I'm a kiwi, and I think most of us think he is innocent
@sallylees467
@sallylees467 Жыл бұрын
10000% agree!
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
No we dont ! Olivias father who is ex LE believes hes guilty
@janettelloyd1551
@janettelloyd1551 Жыл бұрын
Me to I'm a kiwi. The international lawyer who attended every day was completely horrified at the standard of investigation. She said they absolutely did not prove he did it. The jury were repeatedly exposed to the same s.... for days. Scott will never show remorse for something he didn't do.
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
@@janettelloyd1551 ok so if hes innocent why has he not won appeals ? the investigation may have been botched but 25 years later he has had every chance to prove his innocence as several cases have done so in recent years. Why has he been unable to prove his innocence?
@naydra_6169
@naydra_6169 Жыл бұрын
my family was arguing about this over christmas lmao still a very lively debate
@dathompson9586
@dathompson9586 Жыл бұрын
I live in NZ. Unfortunately there is a history of police basically finding a ‘scapegoat’ and sticking to it regardless of evidence or witness testimony or literally anything to the contrary. Police ego will not allow for an admission of error. Absolutely disgusting.
@romeowandrainbow1040
@romeowandrainbow1040 4 ай бұрын
Terrifying how does the judge allow this tho !?
@ericahoang2742
@ericahoang2742 Жыл бұрын
I’m also frustrated about the police and Scott’s situation, but I’m even more frustrated as to why they didn’t focus on the main purpose of the case, they only focused on Scott. What happened to Ben and Amelia? How did they just disappear and the police didn’t search for the descriptions they were given? Do they even care that two people went missing or just wanted Scott in jail?
@ca-ke9493
@ca-ke9493 Жыл бұрын
If you ask me, someone paid them off so they didn't care about Ben or Olivia.
@kevincika
@kevincika Жыл бұрын
Let’s appreciate how Eleanor never dissapoints us with her narratation and her kindness and empathy. Keep going Eleanor
@Ari_0-0
@Ari_0-0 Жыл бұрын
yes we can
@Taylor-wy1gj
@Taylor-wy1gj Жыл бұрын
Eleanor fan club 💞💞
@megan9855
@megan9855 Жыл бұрын
Yes, she's truly the best! ❤️
@theIaurenshow
@theIaurenshow Жыл бұрын
narratation wow
@ArTdontExisT
@ArTdontExisT Жыл бұрын
@@theIaurenshow ??
@rmjl1793
@rmjl1793 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps I missed this but I can't believe they arrested and convicted him without finding either Olivia or Ben's bodies
@someguy3611
@someguy3611 Жыл бұрын
without the bodies they can, but without enough physical evidence they can't
@meows8603
@meows8603 Жыл бұрын
@@someguy3611 Apparently they can without any physical evidence
@314nc4
@314nc4 Жыл бұрын
@@meows8603normally they can’t but idk who tf investigated the case, they are stupid af, 0 evidence absolutely 0 and yet he’s in prison with a big chance he never did it especially cus the guy who saw the real murderer said it was not him
@someguy3611
@someguy3611 Жыл бұрын
@@meows8603 i guess but they really shouldn't be able to, all this dudes "evidence against him" is basically unreliable, constantly changing stories/witness statements/alibis and the fact that he was a twat at the party I personally don't think he did it and I think the police messed with the case ALOT
@meows8603
@meows8603 Жыл бұрын
@@someguy3611 I think there's a good chance he did it but also a good chance he didn't. Seems like it was a 50/50 scenario. But he's definitely a creep and I wouldn't put it past him to have done it, you know? Still, he should've been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt..
@user-yy5ue9kw2t
@user-yy5ue9kw2t Жыл бұрын
The human skull being found is THE MOST frustrating thing in this case! I wish police would've done their jobs then not just those who are curious or want to know the ending but Olivia and Ben's families would have closure and a most likely innocent man wouldn't be in jail.
@hatetheusername
@hatetheusername Жыл бұрын
there was another commenter who claims their dad was out sailing a few days after they went missing and his fishing line caught a watch with the initials B.S on it. phoned the police and they told him that it was nothing because it was miles away from where they were last seen. everyone knows evidence is usually disposed of far away from the crime so for that to be dismissed by the people trained to do that job raises so many red flags.
@rachelmartinez5057
@rachelmartinez5057 Жыл бұрын
This is so so upsetting! It’s insane to think that whoever did this is out on his boat somewhere across the world with the memory of this terrible act and how they got away with it. If there’s a way to send Scott money to his books or something, lmk. This is heart breaking
@chloelyon8039
@chloelyon8039 Жыл бұрын
I’m 1000% convinced Scott is innocent, NOTHING matches his description is totally different his boat is totally different and actual WITNESSES of the “mystery man” have even said Scott is NOT the man they left with…. Lord what sh!t police work😩 I’ve never been so frustrated by a case omggg
@sallylees467
@sallylees467 Жыл бұрын
100% Agree!
@seducedbysasquatch
@seducedbysasquatch Жыл бұрын
From the way they immediately chose him as the suspect and manipulated evidence, it makes me wonder if it wasn't someone in, or connected to, the police force who committed the murders.
@kimmcintyre6570
@kimmcintyre6570 Жыл бұрын
I actually thought the same
@samanthanash1730
@samanthanash1730 Жыл бұрын
That is what my sister and I were thinking
@meganhenderson1815
@meganhenderson1815 Жыл бұрын
I definitely thought the same. Either police involvement or some vendetta police had against Scott from his younger years as a criminal.
@DestineyAmerie
@DestineyAmerie Жыл бұрын
My thoughts too
@giraffestuckinapie
@giraffestuckinapie Жыл бұрын
Cases like this are so frustrating!! When the police basically decide who the killer is and use evidence to support that!
@angelmossman6076
@angelmossman6076 Жыл бұрын
OMG, I'm a long time watcher and from New Zealand! So excited to finally have you covering a case from NZ!!
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
When they find him innocent I want every single police officer involved in this case who falsified evidence to be given a life sentence, this genuinely disgusting.
@DebiQ1830
@DebiQ1830 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, they won't find him innocent. They don't care that he is.
@sallylees467
@sallylees467 Жыл бұрын
1000% agree!
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
hes had plenty of chances to prove his innocence
@tracilord4854
@tracilord4854 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!
@DebiQ1830
@DebiQ1830 Жыл бұрын
@nikki mclay ... he tried, but they didn't care about facts. They cared about a conviction.
@theresataylor6675
@theresataylor6675 Жыл бұрын
Being a jerk doesn't mean you're a murderer. If I was the family I would demand that the bones found be tested. Happy New Year love.
@samsong24
@samsong24 Жыл бұрын
Their bodies have never been found...
@savannahmcgregor1771
@savannahmcgregor1771 Жыл бұрын
@@samsong24 But they have found a skull and it was determined to be that of a young, white female. They refuse to test it though, so no way to know if it is hers or not.
@elizabethroberts8588
@elizabethroberts8588 Жыл бұрын
@ SA … she literally said a human skull was found but police refused to test it to see if it belonged to the dead woman
@ghulam1586
@ghulam1586 Жыл бұрын
@@samsong24 i think they’re talking about the skull that was found in 1999
@non_conformist4229
@non_conformist4229 Жыл бұрын
@@samsong24 a skull was found where olivia went missing which identifies with her description
@clarimm6675
@clarimm6675 Жыл бұрын
Eleanor, thank you so much for providing the trigger warnings in the beginning! Ofc the topic of murder and death is horrible in of itself, but my dad was admitted to the hospital on new year's eve due to complications with cancer and it doesn't look good and I honestly don't think I could stomach this topic now on top of hearing about it everyday, so I'll have to find another video to watch but still, thank you!
@galtenoble
@galtenoble Жыл бұрын
I've heard of people getting away with murder on more evidence than this. This case is flabbergasting me
@supersounds100
@supersounds100 Жыл бұрын
How on earth could a jury determine that this man was guilty WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT, given all of the contradictory evidence (or lack thereof)??!! I am completely baffled and infuriated by this case. Very well-covered though, Eleanor 👏🏻
@ninjakittycat6888
@ninjakittycat6888 Жыл бұрын
Eleanor is always so respectful to the victims and their families. She has outstanding story telling skills. You’re awesome and so fabulous Eleanor! Please never stop doing what you do!
@helenbartoszek243
@helenbartoszek243 Жыл бұрын
You know she will be stopping soon.
@DiligentThroat
@DiligentThroat Жыл бұрын
@@helenbartoszek243 wdym? This is her career.
@sunny8084
@sunny8084 Жыл бұрын
It’s not so much as skill but just her voice
@saikoxll4734
@saikoxll4734 Жыл бұрын
Fr I’m kinda glad she’s noting doing makeup while telling the story 😂😅
@LunaRose11
@LunaRose11 Жыл бұрын
@@helenbartoszek243 spill the tea Helen! What do you mean?!?
@harataharry2967
@harataharry2967 Жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in Marlborough and I had heard stories of this case but no one really liked to talk about it, so I had never really heard all of the facts of this, so thank you for covering this one! ❤ love from NZ
@viribusunitis8617
@viribusunitis8617 Жыл бұрын
Totally unrelated to the topic: I have just been binge-watching your videos, and I am really impressed by all the great work you've been doing and how you have kept this great work up through all that has happened in your life during these years. Just wow, thanks for the countless hours of incredible videos you have given us all out here.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
Imagine being the so called friends of Olivia and being more concerned about your one night stand than the person who actually paid to sleep on the boat and is supposed to be your friend.
@knottedtwig3289
@knottedtwig3289 Жыл бұрын
Right? That's horrible!
@cathdl
@cathdl Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing and asking myself if they felt bad after that
@Steampunkkids
@Steampunkkids Жыл бұрын
Forget the friends of Olivia. What about her sister? Why wasn’t she more proactive about ensuring her sister’s safety?
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
@@Steampunkkids thats totally unfair
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
you dont understand Kiwi culture & have misconstrued the reality
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
I genuinely think that police tampering with evidence should be an instant long prison sentence, they tried to take away someone's freedom and ruin their lives, they should have theirs taken away. It's so unbelievably common as well, that making it a crime is needed to reduce this and it should be a high priority due to it being so common.
@juliestrickland7754
@juliestrickland7754 Жыл бұрын
💯 👏👏👏👍🫶👊
@chloecrawford5559
@chloecrawford5559 Жыл бұрын
This happened in my home town! I grew up going to school where they dedicated the music block to Olivia. My heart goes out to both of the families. Our town is a small place and everyone knows everyone. Thank you for covering this case as it is so often forgotten here in Aotearoa NZ
@br3bid10
@br3bid10 Жыл бұрын
As someone from NZ, I remember the time when this happened. I remember it being controversial at the time and the case pops up in the news here and there. In general it’s gone down as an infamous case that polarizes people similar to the David Bain/Bain murders (another juicy NZ case if you haven’t looked at this already). David Bain was eventually equites so there might be some hope for Watson at his upcoming appeal.
@waterbottle5684
@waterbottle5684 Жыл бұрын
how are the police gonna ignore literally the LAST person to see the victims smh. Poor olivia and ben, may they rest in peace🕊
@laylapotts1422
@laylapotts1422 Жыл бұрын
I love how she lets us make our own opinions and that she tells the story so well and that we can understand the timeline. Wish you all a happy new year !
@ASHl33164
@ASHl33164 10 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for Olivia and Ben’s families. They deserve to know what really happened to their children. And I also feel bad for Scott, if the police did indeed railroad an innocent man, as it sounds like they did. They stole the rest of his life away from him, and they let the real killer go free.
@Asdfghjk-fx9tl
@Asdfghjk-fx9tl Жыл бұрын
Maybe the detective is friends or related to " scruffy man" or maybe they're bribed
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
As a guy who sails I really appreciate that you went into so much detail to understand the types of boat etc. Especially as that really shines a light on why it's obvious he was innocent. Sad thing it seems the police didn't go into that much detail as they obviously just thought of all boats are bascially the same and therefore the taxi driver was just mistaken. When it is genuinely impossible to mistake the two. One has an extra mast.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
Just to give you an update on detective Rob Pope, he got promoted to Police Commissioner and then was forced to resign in 2011 when a damning report came out about the terrible police culture he had overseen, it was the 3rd report saying the he should step down due to his incompetence and disgusting police work culture. In the last report it was specifically about SA committed by police officers and associates not being taken seriously.
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
proof please ?
@nikkioconnor8102
@nikkioconnor8102 Жыл бұрын
I would think with that information something could be done to have the conviction thrown out.
@eljj7968
@eljj7968 Жыл бұрын
@@nikkimclay5474 Google it, there's plenty of media on it.
@DestineyAmerie
@DestineyAmerie Жыл бұрын
It was probably him
@tammymiller6769
@tammymiller6769 3 күн бұрын
I’m from Christchurch, South Island of New Zealand. I was just a kid when this was on the news so thank you for your report! You pretty much nailed it!! Well done
@notsae66
@notsae66 9 ай бұрын
Wow, this has to be one of the worst cases of police incompetence and down rignt criminal negligence I've seen in a while. Those disgraces aught to toss themselves in the river and go chase their imaginary monsters straight into the grave. That, of course, is assuming this was merely a case of such baffling incompetence I question how these men can tie their shoes without strangling themselves, and not a display of outright corruption used to cover up for the real killer who they knowingly didn’t even try to search for. So either these cops were so lacking in mental faculties they'd lose a game of checkers to a dead fish, or these men actively subverted this case in order to prevent justice from being done and knowingly convict an innocent man. I struggle to decide which is worse, honestly, but I know which one sounds more likely. Planted evidence, false testimonies, dismissal of real evidence and repeated witness testimony, and a failure to even make the appeance of a real attempt to follow the evidence, all of this is blatantly a frame job.
@melissaclark6578
@melissaclark6578 Жыл бұрын
If I was Olivia I would of woke up those who did not help pay for boat rental and told them to water taxi back or start swimming. Also Olivias older sister made it back to boat first so she and friends should of made sure to keep off those who did not pitch in the boat rental. Olivias older sister should have made sure a comfy spot was available for Olivia to sleep. Girl code: You never leave one behind. Something my besties and I was always taught.
@samsong24
@samsong24 Жыл бұрын
Shut up, Melissa. Like actually shut up. Do you have any idea how much guilt her sister feels over this? How long that has haunted her? Just shut up. Did you see how much pain her sister was in when she had to testify in that court case that was an absolute media circus? I hope she never sees your comment. You sicken me.
@winniefaye4715
@winniefaye4715 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t blame the sister because she’s probably done that her whole life and felt shit about it. It’s no use saying what she should have done now.
@SoloLeaux
@SoloLeaux Жыл бұрын
@@winniefaye4715 she is to blame, that’s her baby sister and she showed no concern or consideration for her because she was too worried about partying (and probably impressing the leeches they let stay on the boat)
@irlf4iry
@irlf4iry Жыл бұрын
facts
@norinafilip
@norinafilip Жыл бұрын
@@SoloLeaux my older sister will literally push that people in that taxi boat
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын
As a boat person it is literally impossible to mistake a 2 masted Ketch for a tiny 1 masted yacht. This is genuinely infuriating seeing arrogant sailing illiterate police thinking they know more when they are this incompetent, heck they seem to be illiterate at basic police work as well.
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
they found her hair in his boat, if he was innocent why hasnt he won any appeals ? several convicted killers have been freed
@uuzjr5354
@uuzjr5354 Жыл бұрын
@@nikkimclay5474 That "evidence" had been tampered with. Her hair was not found in the boat
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
@@uuzjr5354 ok sure, hes innocent & lost all appeals because all police in NZ are corrupt 🤦‍♀️planted evidence omg
@StrawberryStarfruit9
@StrawberryStarfruit9 Жыл бұрын
@@nikkimclay5474 they found strands of her hair on a desk in a forensic lab after the specialist was going through Scott’s hair from his blanket and Olivia’s hair from some brush at her parents house
@j.e.m8506
@j.e.m8506 Жыл бұрын
​@@nikkimclay5474 Really against the innocence of Scott you..... 🤔 You sale a ketch by any chance? They do say murderers like to keep updated on their crimes....
@jadebean5927
@jadebean5927 Жыл бұрын
im from New Zealand, born and raised. i learnt about this story when i was young, and its stuck with me. its so mind boggling, especially because almost everyone here is so friendly. i dont understand how someone can kill another person, its insane to me.
@sophroniel
@sophroniel Жыл бұрын
I remember this case really starkly. It was the first NZ crime I actually remember. Thanks for finally covering it!
@sammigoose2696
@sammigoose2696 Жыл бұрын
Scott is my cousin! It really is heartbreaking how he was treated and it is awful watching him be denied parole time after time and you're right, he will likely get denied again next year! He was able to come to the funerals of his mum and our grandma but was whisked away from both before he could pay any respects and what's worse? The bloody media staking out the funerals didn't let us grieve in peace all so they could get a shot of him! The ripples this has had for my family has been far reaching and devastating. Thank you for your respectful handling of telling this story Eleanor, there are 3 victims in this case.
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
if hes innocent why has he not won any appeals ?
@maryjocassell48
@maryjocassell48 Жыл бұрын
I am truly sorry that this happened to him, and to your family 👪.
@sammigoose2696
@sammigoose2696 Жыл бұрын
@nikki mclay because he has to "show remorse of his crime" and since he has maintained his innocence since day one that would be impossible no?
@nikkimclay5474
@nikkimclay5474 Жыл бұрын
@@maryjocassell48 dont be sorry hes guilty
@sammigoose2696
@sammigoose2696 Жыл бұрын
@Mary Jo Cassell thank you! The family and his supporters still fight every day for his release so we hope the day will come soon where he will be a free man! 🙏
@wednesday3561
@wednesday3561 Жыл бұрын
Oh My GOD! SOMEONE FINALLY COVERED BEN SMART AND OLVIA HOPES CASE!!!!! I am from Queen Charlotte sound, very close to where this happened. Most of us think Scott Watson is innocent.
@olly4556
@olly4556 Жыл бұрын
Who do you believe did it and do you think they are dead
@toastedtoastontoast
@toastedtoastontoast Жыл бұрын
Agreed. As a fellow kiwi I think he’s innocent.
@DebiQ1830
@DebiQ1830 Жыл бұрын
Poor guy had his life destroyed by a monster detective.
@charlotterobb5435
@charlotterobb5435 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Nz as well. Dont fully remember the case. Eleanor refreshed me but definitely remember alot of talk about Scott being innocent. I wish police will test the skull. Although, I guess if anything else points to Scott being innocent, it'll be bad for them.
@daquelly2660
@daquelly2660 Жыл бұрын
@@charlotterobb5435 it’s really odd to me the police wouldn’t test the skull - is that common in NZ? In the US they would begin a cold case investigation to at least try to identify the skull even if they didn’t believe it was related to Olivia.
@justyna4434
@justyna4434 Жыл бұрын
This case reminds me of a very well known murder case in Poland. It was also New Years Eve in 1996 and a 15 year old girl was partying with her friends and later brutally r*ped and murdered by a group of men (at least 2). And an innocent person, named Tomasz Komenda, was convicted of this murder, even though he was 30km away with 12 other people who witnessed him, and there was no real evidence that he even was on the place of murder... But because of the corrupt police he was tortured and pressured to confess to everything. Tomasz was sentenced to 25 years in prison in 2000, but got out in 2018 (after 18 years of abuse by prison mates) thanks to a detective/police officer who reviewed all of the DNA evidence, bite marks and witness testimonies. They finnaly arrested the two real murderers and senteced them to 25 years in prison in 2020. I think they should get life in prison for this murder, because in the years after the murder they were sexually harassing a lot of other women and got away with that... They are a danger to society. But I am happy that in this can Tomasz Komenda got out of prison and lives happy now. There is also a very good movie made about this whole case titled "25 Years of Innocence" (2020). There you get a really good idea of Tomasz's side of the story (Also the real Tomasz Komenda appears at the end of the movie). It was nice to see a happy ending, but you get angry to see how corrupt the police can be to snetence someone as fast as possible to get this case out of the way. Hopefully some evidence will come to life in the case of Ben and Oliva and Scott Watson will be free again. Sorry for the very long comment. Happy New Year everyone!!
@hannah333
@hannah333 Жыл бұрын
my dad went to school with ben. was devastated when he went missing. they had just finished school, and it was a shock. the fernaux is on a walking track, one of nz's walking tracks. we went back, walked the track to fernaux lodge. he was so sad. thanks for talking about this.
@lenusniq_9746
@lenusniq_9746 Жыл бұрын
Not only there is no physical evidence, there is barely any circumstantial evidence and yet the guy rots in prison? Like wtf? This is just infuriating... Plus the real killer may be still living his best life?
@gracejones1919
@gracejones1919 Жыл бұрын
49:22 this section of Olivia’s hairs “appearing” in the second testing is so suspicious. Police definitely had some sort of involvement in sabotage in my opinion
@Bilaneyyy
@Bilaneyyy 7 ай бұрын
That was what I’m thinking of also they were ignoring the witness statements
@Hannah-ru1le
@Hannah-ru1le 5 ай бұрын
absolutely shocked when opening this video on new years eve in New Zealand to hear the first 10 seconds of the video. LOLL
@melanielouise635
@melanielouise635 Жыл бұрын
Cases of wrongful conviction like this absolutely *terrify* me. It's so scary how once the police have a theory they want to go with, they can persecute and charge you with literally NO EVIDENCE!!! I hope some actual evidence is found one day so that Ben and Olivia's families can actually know what happened that night.
@KyVirgo23
@KyVirgo23 Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for him because he’s clearly innocent. And those “friends”, I hope they never have another good nights sleep.
@kierracrenshaw1008
@kierracrenshaw1008 Жыл бұрын
ip😊i 25:46
@MsAlways19
@MsAlways19 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe he was found guilty! I agree he was a shitty guy but I don't think he murdered them, and I actually feel bad for him. Idk why but I'm so angry right now!!!
@Ezra_Malfoy97
@Ezra_Malfoy97 18 күн бұрын
New Zealander here, since I was born late 1997 I cleary have no memory of this case so I just looked up Scott Watson and found some news articles from earlier today saying that tomorrow(10th June), he will start an appeal of his conviction. He's now in his early 50s and has spent around half his life behind bars, I hope they get it right this time, and he walks free.
@fyogore
@fyogore Жыл бұрын
you should look into the lacey fletcher case!! it's quite recent, but it really needs to be talked about more because it's so incredibly sad and disturbing
@baked7130
@baked7130 Жыл бұрын
This story is so sad. An innocent man locked away and the victims will never get justice. It’s so clear that the police force was so corrupt during this case and just didn’t want to be proved wrong.
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
crap. He was a person who got excited talking about making SNUFF movies, to his mates. Innocent my rear end!
@baked7130
@baked7130 Жыл бұрын
@@tlcdogspa5512 they clearly went with a different man and the police never looked into it. I feel like you missed the entire video. Yes he is a crap human being but that doesn’t mean he committed this crime. There was no evidence against him. You’re supposed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and the police failed that miserly. No evidence, no bodies, witness statements never looked into, etc etc
@tlcdogspa5512
@tlcdogspa5512 Жыл бұрын
@@baked7130 'missed the entire video?' LOL. I have read every book, every article, every podcast , watched every 'doco' and YT video on this going back years and years and am quite amused that a bunch of people fall for this ridiculous claims of innocence generated by one YTer coming late to the party ...Get back to me when you are as informed on the case as I am. LOL
@baked7130
@baked7130 Жыл бұрын
@@tlcdogspa5512 my mistake that I’m not as utterly obsessed with the case as you are. People have different opinions, that’s how the world works. No evidence = reasonable doubt. He shouldn’t of been convicted. Guilty or not
@motherthorns
@motherthorns Жыл бұрын
@@tlcdogspa5512 Is that just what they say or is there uncoerced proof of this claim?
@courtzcolv
@courtzcolv Жыл бұрын
So happy to see a New Zealand case being covered! You should look into the unsolved Crewe Murders... Insane case
@Bramble1976
@Bramble1976 Жыл бұрын
Gosh yes that's a messy one
@rebeccagibbs4128
@rebeccagibbs4128 Жыл бұрын
@@Bramble1976 that poor baby. has always stuck with me. another case of cops in NZ having small minded brains and stitching up people they have beef with
@claudiagittins3338
@claudiagittins3338 Жыл бұрын
Just highlights the embarrassment of our New Zealand police investigations… 😬
@mishaylahenderson419
@mishaylahenderson419 Жыл бұрын
I'm dying for her to do David bain
@laurenk8096
@laurenk8096 Жыл бұрын
Omg yes! Who was feeding the baby?!?!
@trash1611
@trash1611 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting years for someone to cover this case! It’s so crazy
@sy5mz
@sy5mz Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for covering this. As a New Zealander it an absolutely horrendous fuck up of our justice system and I believe he is absolutely innocent
@RandomMeGahBe
@RandomMeGahBe Жыл бұрын
This case is so frustrating….as you said. I call bs on the police this time. Super sad if he’s innocent (which it seems) 🙁
@samsong24
@samsong24 Жыл бұрын
At this exact time 25 years ago, all of this was unfolding :( Still breaks my heart. Those beautiful young people. Olivia was just a kid.
@nothingbutfluff2229
@nothingbutfluff2229 Жыл бұрын
NEW ZEALAND! Thankyou for covering cases on our little part of the world. Love your content ✨
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