The Jedi, The Witch, The Warlord and a bunch of questions to try and answer...

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Thor Skywalker

Thor Skywalker

9 ай бұрын

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@WR288
@WR288 9 ай бұрын
Filoni’s limitations as a writer got exposed. If I were Disney, I’d be phoning up Timothy Zahn to do the scripts if the show gets renewed.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 9 ай бұрын
Disney probably don't know who Timothy Zahn is. But Lucasfilm does.
@tuckersbaby
@tuckersbaby 9 ай бұрын
This.
@baritono81
@baritono81 9 ай бұрын
These writers aren't smart enough to read books. But they do know enough to rip off CS Lewis' title....now that was a real zinger.
@GrayFox370
@GrayFox370 9 ай бұрын
@@vetarlittorf1807 Kathleen Kennedy runs Lucasfilm. She isn't gonna hire someone like Timothy Zahn to write a story for them because it goes against her agenda. Filoni is one of her yes men so she is fine with him.
@kyleandrews9500
@kyleandrews9500 9 ай бұрын
@@GrayFox370 Who hired the Gilroy brothers to write Andor?
@siiir1322
@siiir1322 9 ай бұрын
I knew I finally became a miserable adult when Ezra walked out of the ship with his helmet still on and didn’t take it off for what seemed like eternity while slowly walking towards the new republic people that were pointing their guns against him. Like I was hoping they would shoot him for being that stupid. Who on earth writes that stuff and thinks that is reasonable
@imbetterthanyou6927
@imbetterthanyou6927 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, one of the worst parts of being an adult is that the magic disappears and you start looking at things more logically.
@joshuahandhand8959
@joshuahandhand8959 9 ай бұрын
Failoni does that's who
@GrayFox370
@GrayFox370 9 ай бұрын
The answer to your question on who writes this stuff and thinks its reasonable is in the end credits sequence. These episodes were written by Dave Filoni...who according to big Star Wars youtubers like Star Wars Theory says is the guy who si gonna "save" Star Wars. Forget about how they didn't shoot him. Ask yourself how did Ezra slip away from Thrawn's cruiser unnoticed in the first place?! They really have to cram that useless reunion with Hera in this episode and sacrifice logic in the process. I mean when Hera found out it was Ezra, she didn't even hug him. She is like a mother figure to him.
@Alex-02
@Alex-02 9 ай бұрын
@@GrayFox370I also dislike the show but Ezra’s escape being offscreen doesn’t really bother me. We’ve seen that stuff before, I’m rather glad the show didn’t waste our time with that (it probably would’ve been really boring anyway) It’s not a leap in logic just because we weren’t explicitly shown exactly what happened.
@tylerblue9691
@tylerblue9691 9 ай бұрын
@@GrayFox370Dave Filoni is a genius when it comes to directing, lore, and world building, and making things feel Star Wars- what he isn’t good at, is writing unfortunately. He should be the show runner, director and major story beats guy, but someone else needs to be the main writer of episode scripts.
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 9 ай бұрын
"A good question for another time." That line perfectly sums to all of these unanswered questions.
@TwistedReality13
@TwistedReality13 9 ай бұрын
Mazz butthole eyes Kanata 😂😂😂
@philippe-cb8wj
@philippe-cb8wj 9 ай бұрын
The answer is "Somehow".
@GrayFox370
@GrayFox370 9 ай бұрын
Not even. The answer to most of these questions is staring people in the face. It's just that channels like this don't wanna admit it because reasons? Kathleen Kennedy wanted Sabine to use the Force and make her a Jedi or Ahsoka not be shot by Stormtroopers because the Force is FEMALE. Also Dave Filoni is writing an animated show which would have aired on Disney XD that is made for live action and is shown to the same people who watched Andor...a well written mature story. This feels like Rebels season 5 straight up. Thrawn is a cartoon character villain. The plot points and storytelling shows this is made for an audience below the age of 17.
@lordcarnorjax8599
@lordcarnorjax8599 9 ай бұрын
Or "because the plot requires it".
@tuckersbaby
@tuckersbaby 9 ай бұрын
Well that was a disappointing finale. From the moment the two tie fighters didn’t even bother trying to evade the Jedi ship I had a bad feeling the episode would underdeliver.
@DavidWalker1987
@DavidWalker1987 9 ай бұрын
I knew from Episode 7. If you dont have any setup in your penultimate episode... then the finale has to do the setup... which means the payoff is automatically less than it could have been (or the plot contrivances are more numerous etc etc). IMO episode 7 shouldnt have been any crab people, any shin or bandits etc. It should have been Ezra and Sabine character development, having a good heart to heart about what has happened and that they needed to break into the NS building / Thrawns star destroyer. Stop him returning or trying to hijack it and them going home. They begin their infiltration of it, perhaps through the catacombs... and then the end of the episode is ahsoka arriving in the new galaxy, not being detected straight away (because why would the night sisters detect her coming from another Galaxy etc). Ahsoka communicates with Ezra (not Sabine) through the force. Sets up the three of them reuniting in the finale and having some element of surprise at the start of the end fight etc. Instead the unkillable wolves ran through an entire ISDs bombardment... and our heros enter through the front door(!)
@tuckersbaby
@tuckersbaby 9 ай бұрын
@@DavidWalker1987 Exactly. Dave should’ve taken a page from Tony out of Andor’s book on good pacing and setup.
@mrcat3493
@mrcat3493 9 ай бұрын
Truly. The lack of character development throughout the season and a script devoid of all logic was painful to watch.
@markdavidson558
@markdavidson558 9 ай бұрын
@tuckersbaby yeah, the pilot had time to cover his face, but not to steer lol
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
​@mrcat3493 uh lack of character development? It's like none of you people pay any attention to the show and just wanna hate. Ahsoka goes from being stoic and afraid to show any emotions to being more lighthearted and able to smile and be sarcastic again. Sabine goes from feeling like a failure of a jedi and not able to use the force despite training for it hard...harder than most people including Ray and finally able to use it. Baylon and shin go from being a master and an apprentice to baylon leaving her and seeking out whatever is calling him and shin seeking out more power and wanting to be a leader.
@LedPESRule
@LedPESRule 9 ай бұрын
My main question: is this show set in an alternate universe where some kind of spell made everyone forget about Luke Skywalker?
@manz7860
@manz7860 9 ай бұрын
This has been my whole feeling throughout the show as well. You'd think ahsoka would ask the jedi who defeated the emperor for help But we all already realize ahsoka resides in a weird spot between fan fiction and making her make sense within canon. Thanks filoni. You could've gave her a glorious send off getting written out of the story as another one of anakins tragedies.
@BigMan.270
@BigMan.270 9 ай бұрын
​@@manz7860Remember, according to Sabine, some say that The Emperor was killed.
@pedrino321
@pedrino321 9 ай бұрын
give it a rest. we know disney doesn’t care about the actual lore they spent billions on; their goal was purely merchandising rights…
@taterpun6211
@taterpun6211 9 ай бұрын
They want Ashoka to be the new luke
@Grimzilla32
@Grimzilla32 9 ай бұрын
KK HATES Luke Skywalker, she banished Favreau for bringing him back when HE saved Star Wars before
@denjul_
@denjul_ 9 ай бұрын
The way Thrawn is written reflects Filoni in real life, both were thought to be the rescuers of their own (corporate)empire, and both seem to be way worse at their job than we realized or hoped
@StephenTrenier
@StephenTrenier 9 ай бұрын
I’m just disappointed. I really wanted to love this show. I liked it. There were great moments. But it just had too many issues that I couldn’t ignore. Come on Star Wars.
@mickeybunts
@mickeybunts 9 ай бұрын
Filoni is NOT a perfect writer/director but he is our only hope
@OnlyOneKenobi
@OnlyOneKenobi 9 ай бұрын
​@@mickeybuntsI think his name is Tony Gilroy who is the only hope for Star Wars... your standards are WAY too low. 😏
@andweknow8287
@andweknow8287 9 ай бұрын
What a loser
@burna2650
@burna2650 9 ай бұрын
​@@OnlyOneKenobiexactly.
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
@@mickeybunts he's not the only writer/ director in the industry
@Justin.Danford
@Justin.Danford 9 ай бұрын
The final 2 episodes, but especially the finale, had major “Damn, I’ve been working on this essay for hours and the deadline is at midnight so I’m just going to yolo the conclusion, I’ve done enough,” energy.
@Darthlightskin
@Darthlightskin 9 ай бұрын
Sabine being a Jedi makes me laugh, cuz this would mean padme could have been a jedi if she really wanted to lmao
@nont18411
@nont18411 9 ай бұрын
Or Han Solo. Imagine how deadlier he is if he could actually use a force power.
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
Except sabine trained for years and has been training hard for it all freaking season long. And she showed force sensitivity in rebels which people seem to completely miss or overlook so it was probably the plan for her character from the start. And she's descended from the first mandalorian jedi which is in her blood. So stop hating on it. Just compare her to ray. At least sabine freaking trained for it. Man with some Star wars fans it's like you can do nothing right. When you don't train someone like Ray you get mad but when you show someone training and working hard for it like with sabine they get mad.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 9 ай бұрын
@@nont18411there's already fan theories that he IS force sensitive, since how he can dodge point blank boaster fire in the special addition pfft!
@noneyabizness6094
@noneyabizness6094 9 ай бұрын
​@@authorjoannawhitecomparing her to Rey, she's equally bad. She's thousands of years past the mando jedi, she's as closely related to him as you are to Noah. The fact she is force sensitive at all undermines the character, because without the force she's strong and capable and intelligent. With the force she's just an incredibly overpowered 2016 era Tumbler insert. You're making excuses instead of thinking
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
@@noneyabizness6094 compared to Ray she is amazing and strong and works hard for something she wants unlike Ray. Honestly she is miles and leagues better than Ray so it's hard to believe people would put her down in the same category as Ray. She worked hard to train and use the force when Ray never did.
@plsdontbeahero
@plsdontbeahero 9 ай бұрын
Honestly this finale held no weight for me. There were no consequences for Sabine’s decision to leave with Baylon other than Thrawn getting away. Her relationship with Ezra and Ahsoka wasn’t tainted at all. Nobody died in the show, (besides Marrok, some nameless stormtroopers and Morgan) and Thrawn was a really lackluster villain
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 9 ай бұрын
Yup. Weak on all accounts.
@Captain_Insano_nomercy
@Captain_Insano_nomercy 9 ай бұрын
It was so bleh that I find it almost worse than the trash that was Kenobi. This was a giant nothing-burger
@hereef1
@hereef1 9 ай бұрын
You butthurt fan boys should write and produce your own Star Wars show. That’s the only way you dudes would be happy with the end result. It’s sci-fi fantasy where you have to suspend belief for 49 minutes.
@plsdontbeahero
@plsdontbeahero 9 ай бұрын
@@hereef1 Suspending disbelief is a bad counter argument to poor writing bro
@gohu11
@gohu11 9 ай бұрын
​@@hereef1 I bet you never touched a good novel in your life, you simply have no desire for better stories. So disney Star Wars is aiming at you specifically - you won't refuse any of its crap
@seanmurphy7011
@seanmurphy7011 9 ай бұрын
The total run time of Ahsoka appears to be about 6 hours (5:58) and the OT run time is 6 1/2 (6:38). Compare how much happens in the OT to how little happens in the Ahsoka series. This is inexcusable. I rest my case.
@ahnok2855
@ahnok2855 9 ай бұрын
that would not be an issue if the things that happened were done well. (spoiler, they were not)
@sivad1025
@sivad1025 9 ай бұрын
Andor is also a good benchmark bevsuse it's so slow. But those slow scenes build up to monumental plot points with great ramifications
@EA-Stewie
@EA-Stewie 9 ай бұрын
Damn this is a crazy point. And a good one at that.
@lordgilfor16
@lordgilfor16 9 ай бұрын
@seanmurphy7011 great point dude, totally agreed.
@DavidWalker1987
@DavidWalker1987 9 ай бұрын
Watching Ahsoka has been great at times... at other times its like going on holiday to Spain. Just without the S.
@LumVaughan
@LumVaughan 9 ай бұрын
A couple of other questions: 1.) Where did the other Star Destroyers that the Purrgil pulled into hyperspace at the end of Rebels go? We only see the Chimaera, what happened to the others and their crews? 2.) If Ahsoka and Sabine are stranded in this strange new world for any length of time, what will they do for ship fuel? 3.) Instead of Ezra's dramatic revealing to Hera on the New Republic cruiser, why didn't he hurry down the ramp with his helmet off and tell her immediately that Thrawn was at Dathomir off loading witches, so they could have got a jump on them early before he contacted the rest of the Imperial remnant? Instead, he just casually greets Hera as if he hadn't a care in the world.
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
1. They're probably dead. If you look at the state of the troopers armor they're all cracked which means they've been fighting a lot especially to not even have replacement armor on the ship which means it's run out. So they've clearly been fighting something else in this galaxy. 2. Next season or movie will probably touch on that or they'll use whatever fuel the turtles use for their ships. 3. Ezra had been gone for freaking years, alone and isolated so yeah he got caught up in the moment and got emotional seeing his mother figure again. That's completely understandable
@LumVaughan
@LumVaughan 9 ай бұрын
@@authorjoannawhite I feel that (at least) two full star destroyers worth of Imperials are worth at least a mention in passing or show some wreckage of them. Those things are huge; remember the wreckage shown in The Force Awakens? I hope they do mention fuel next season, though I'm not sure those hover pod camper things that the Noti are driving would use starship fuel, but maybe they do. I know Ezra was glad to be home, but even just wearing the stormtrooper armor AND helmet when he is going down the ramp (slowly, with his hands up as if he was unsure what sort of reception he was going to get) and then not saying anything until Chopper figured out who he was, just seems like an almost cartoon or anime sort of scene, not something a grown man who had just left the two people behind that had rescued him would do. I could give him a moment or two of emotion, but Ezra wasn't one to freeze up like that. Sabine and Ahsoka were left behind and with Thrawn back, there should have been at least a feeling of urgency, but the reunion was as if he'd simply found his way back on his own with nothing at stake. He just casually spoke to Hera with almost a hesitancy to his voice. If Hera has said something like "Where is Sabine and Ahsoka?" and then he'd paused and looked somber and worried, it would have been a better filmed scene.
@foxfire9124
@foxfire9124 9 ай бұрын
To be completely honest, Thrawn feels like he's a genius in the most contrived way possible. In my opinion, genius in fiction should make you think "why didn't I think of that?" not "I don't get it." What he really needs is a "Sherlock and Watson" dynamic. He needs someone who can ask him what's going through his mind and what he's actually planned. Though to be honest if that character did exist Thrawn's explanations are likely to be "because the plot needs it".
@scottmacadam6599
@scottmacadam6599 9 ай бұрын
It was like that in the og thrawn trilogy
@foxfire9124
@foxfire9124 9 ай бұрын
@@scottmacadam6599 I think that's an important part of why the books are so beloved and this show is divided at best. Just like how a device is magic until someone explains it, Thrawn's genius is all talk until there's someone who can help us understand it.
@GRIGGINS1
@GRIGGINS1 9 ай бұрын
He is a genius. He liberally got the New Republic to construct parts of the Eye of Sion on their dime. And then used it to get back to the Star Wars Galaxy.
@ZmanGamesp
@ZmanGamesp 9 ай бұрын
@@scottmacadam6599It’s like that in the canon Thrawn books to thanks to Eli Vanto
@scottmacadam6599
@scottmacadam6599 9 ай бұрын
@foxfire9124 yeah like the Sherlock Holmes dynamic with paelleon was great. Really gave us insight into his thought process. Not just " art lol "
@jcrazy9008
@jcrazy9008 9 ай бұрын
Shutout to Glen asking all the right questions ( the ones we all want answers too) and thanks Thor for making this video
@AA-Ashley
@AA-Ashley 9 ай бұрын
I miss Andor.
@jcrazy9008
@jcrazy9008 9 ай бұрын
@AA-Ashley word. I'm sad and glad the second season is the last season if it went any longer I feel like disney would make it worse. But ultimately we just want great story telling like Andor. Any genre but great story telling
@StarWarsFan088
@StarWarsFan088 9 ай бұрын
I am honestly disappointed in the finale. Literally rolled my eyes when Sabine used the force.
@joshuahandhand8959
@joshuahandhand8959 9 ай бұрын
#DarthMelvinWasRight
@baritono81
@baritono81 9 ай бұрын
Me too! And how many times did she use the force she was like a seasoned jedi veteran by the end of the 45 minute episode. So she used the force (1) to help open the castle door (2) to pull her lightsaber to her (3) to push Ezra onto the star destroyer while he was in mid air and (4) sensing the force ghost of Anakin at the end of the episode. She went Rey beast mode on us. None of it earned, all just because, well, why not.
@joshuahandhand8959
@joshuahandhand8959 9 ай бұрын
@@baritono81 I think in the final fight she also force pushed 3-4 troopers back, absolute bs
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
She's been training for it for years and trying to use it all freaking season. Like she earned it. She's also descended from the mandalorian jedi and had several moments in rebels where she could use the force.
@DavidWalker1987
@DavidWalker1987 9 ай бұрын
@@baritono81 She was also deflecting blaster bolts. She shouldnt be able to do that. Maybe once, but reliably. Nah.
@Hanakin-Sidewalker
@Hanakin-Sidewalker 9 ай бұрын
The best cliffhangers are the ones where you get answers for the questions you’ve been asking, causing you to become intrigued to see how things play out. This finale did none of that.
@ian-flanagan
@ian-flanagan 9 ай бұрын
I never thought of that. What are the best examples?
@RabbiSpruceTech
@RabbiSpruceTech 9 ай бұрын
Nah, the best cliffhanger is when you leave your one interesting but completely unexplored character literally on a cliff
@jordanchermen2393
@jordanchermen2393 9 ай бұрын
Majority of the stormtroopers in finale either got sliced in the gut, abdomen or chest/shoulder region and they die (before the witch magic happens). Yet, Sabine gets skewered through the gut by like damn kabob and survives lol.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 9 ай бұрын
Side torso.
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
It was the will of the Force or something...
@g.r.o.g.u.1892
@g.r.o.g.u.1892 9 ай бұрын
Futurama space truck-stop worms
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, according to Disney, apparently you can get stabbed by lightsabers and you'll be just fine. Unless you're Qui Gon Jinn.
@jordanchermen2393
@jordanchermen2393 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@dereklopez9060Qui Gon just looking down like “bruh how tf does she get to survive”
@USTTRM
@USTTRM 9 ай бұрын
“I got nothing on this one either..” About sums it up.😂
@Ptaaruonn
@Ptaaruonn 9 ай бұрын
Thor, you are an hero trying to explain the unexplainable.😂
@XansStuff
@XansStuff 9 ай бұрын
Thrawn did not say he was launching a ground assault. He said, "Prepare for a ground assault". In other words, prepare to defend against one. If you go back and look, you will see that many of the engines on the star destroyer are damaged. Particularly the large primary thrusters.
@glen9593
@glen9593 9 ай бұрын
Hey Thor, thanks for answering those questions. I was pretty grumpy after watching that episode (could you tell?) but this really cheered me up.
@thorskywalker
@thorskywalker 9 ай бұрын
I could indeed tell, lol.
@awarapun
@awarapun 9 ай бұрын
I think thrawn needed Tony Gilroy monologue or characterisation or something. To me he felt a bit dumb. And comments from my more casual friends “Am I supposed to be scared of admiral space Smurf in ahsoka? He’s just so underwhelming” “he’s just got no presence or gravitas. I’m just like meh”
@Mandoshawn
@Mandoshawn 9 ай бұрын
Okay so who resurrected Marock? Morgan wasn’t truly a night sister until she was gifted the tittle in the last episode?
@InterstellarFilms
@InterstellarFilms 9 ай бұрын
The problem is that there wasn’t any “red shirts” on the good guys side. In order for Thrawn to feel effective, he’d need battle successes, on-screen kills, setbacks for the characters. The heavier the loss for the good guys, the more imposing and victorious he feels. But with not enough good guys to kill, it’s hard to make him seem like a brilliant leader. We needed to see him kill a main character or have swaths of good guys to demolish.
@manz7860
@manz7860 9 ай бұрын
Hard to find thrawn compelling when all he does is rely on an old lady for help and walk away with his arms behind his back.
@YegRon
@YegRon 9 ай бұрын
Overall, I enjoyed Ahsoka. Certainly much more than I did Boba Fett, Obi Wan and the 3rd season of Mandalorian. But the most frustrating part of it is that it got so close to what I’ve been hoping for, yet still didn’t hit the mark. It had so much potential, but really wasn’t able to live up to it. Sigh.
@pedrino321
@pedrino321 9 ай бұрын
funny, imo, i’d put this tied at the bottom with the other shows you mentioned 😅.
@drevan1138
@drevan1138 9 ай бұрын
Andor, Mando S2, Mando S1, Ahsoka and a tie for last…
@lito6062
@lito6062 9 ай бұрын
Couple more questions. Why the storm troopers shoot Asohka against the door she is trying to go throw? The answer can't be, because they're storm troopers. And the witches sense Asohka traveling hiperspace inside a wale, but can not sense Ezra in their ship?
@VN-cf7de
@VN-cf7de 9 ай бұрын
Maybe they've run out of mana.
@hrstar24
@hrstar24 9 ай бұрын
I wish Filoni could upgrade his writing for the live action show, but Ahsoka had so much plot induced stupidity it was just basically another season of Rebels which you aren't supposed to take too seriously.
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 9 ай бұрын
Filoni needs to not write these episodes all on his own. Get a proper writer's room.
@svetabogush8266
@svetabogush8266 9 ай бұрын
I think in Rebels there was much less stupidity. At least in later seasons. And I liked the finale. I wonder what happened to Filoni's writing
@attentionbajoranworkers4408
@attentionbajoranworkers4408 9 ай бұрын
Dave filoni is not primarily a writer, he’s a director. Ashoka is his first project in which he is credited as the main sole writer for most episodes. He is credited with CO-WRITING plenty of clone wars episodes but was only the sole writer for: Clone Wars: last 4 episodes ( in which his favorite characters all conveniently avoid capture, genocide, or brainwashing😂) Rebels: 2 episodes Mandalorian: 2 episodes Ashoka: 8 episodes He has never been a good writer!
@BingLing-vz3og
@BingLing-vz3og 9 ай бұрын
@@attentionbajoranworkers4408 hit nail on the head. I think Dave works best when there are others helping shore up his weaknesses in attention to detail, he's definitely not a hack, just lacking in balance, if you will.
@GrayFox370
@GrayFox370 9 ай бұрын
Most of these questions can be answered because Kathleen Kennedy wanted Sabine to use the Force and make her a Jedi or Ahsoka not be shot by Stormtroopers because the Force is FEMALE or because Dave Filoni is writing an animated show which would have aired on Disney XD that is made for live action and is shown to the same people who watched Andor...a well written mature story.
@cancarmine4327
@cancarmine4327 9 ай бұрын
I ended up being way more interested in Baylan Skoll's search and what he was searching for. It was disappointing that we got one very short scene. I really hoped we'd get a teaser at the end of last week so this week I was sure we'd get more of what was going on with him. I know we'll get whatever he was looking for eventually though unfortunately without Ray but it was still disappointing in my opinion.
@BobMcDowell
@BobMcDowell 9 ай бұрын
And even that scene was lacking. He found a statue. Great. Fantastic. Why does this matter? Don't know.
@stonerainproductions
@stonerainproductions 9 ай бұрын
I honestly feel bad for fans of Filloni. I wanted this to be good, but all these people held onto him being Lucas's Padawan they forgave ALOT of horrible writing. The first two episodes alone were horribly written. The long list of questions the user had for this episode i have for every single episode, my favorite being ...they found out the droid came from Correlia and automatically assumed it was Morgan, considering there are likely Billions of people on that planet, why did they just assume it was Morgan? The worst part is, it panned out and they just conveniently picked correctly somehow! Who thought this was good writing? It's now ok to not be force sensitive at all but as long as you believe in yourself hard enough, you too can be a Jedi. This show was absolute trash from start to finish. .also, who can't figure out that stupid map? It turns ffs, all you have to do is spin them till you get it right, but apparently Ahsoka cant figure that out. Maybe she only has two brain cells?
@authorjoannawhite
@authorjoannawhite 9 ай бұрын
If you think that's bad writing I'd love to see you try to write and direct and produce something that's entertaining but also feels perfectly like star wars and perfectly blends the originals and prequels and the sequels and the clone wars and rebels like filoni did with this show. Star wars has always had issues. You can point to the originals and prequels which both had their issues that haters would consider "bad writing" but that doesn't take the enjoyment away. It's still a grand magical adventure with action and heroes and villains that can take us away from the real world and give us hope. That's the heart and spirit of what George Lucas created and what Dave filoni gets and why he will save star wars. Some fans like you just love to hate it and wanna see Disney fail And by the way sabine did show force sensitivity in rebels. Apparently you never saw the show. It was set up from the beginning. Plus she is descended from the first mandalorian jedi so it runs in her blood too
@stonerainproductions
@stonerainproductions 9 ай бұрын
@@authorjoannawhite I'm not a professional writer, however if I did educate myself in it I'd gladly give it a go. If I tried now, it would be like asking a manual laborer to create a best selling work of fiction. I did watch some Rebels, not all, however I'm going off the show.. The show, Ahsoka, makes it very clear by way of Huyang that she has no force ability whatsoever. Also, I don't just hate everything Disney Star Wars, I like Rogue One, Andor and the first two seasons on Mando. Don't just assume because I'm picking this show apart I fall into some box.
@apuffin9545
@apuffin9545 9 ай бұрын
​@@authorjoannawhiteyou know a movie/show is terrible when the best excuse fans of it can muster is "if it's so easy then you try it!"
@TY-km8hj
@TY-km8hj 9 ай бұрын
I don't feel bad for filoni fans, honestly. The writing had been on the wall for YEARS. Since tcw ended and he made rebels I knew this guys writing and storytelling was flawed. Yes he is GL apprentice and the obvious sign to that is that they have the same flaws; decent ideas but terrible execution and writing. I've never understood him being hailed as the messiah, he was never all that and his work on tcw was a massive collaboration effort. Little was done solely by him. Rebels relied so heavily kn fan favourite characters in order to keep ppl truly invested. Tbb can't decide on being a kids anthology or a story on the rise of the empire. He was never gonna save star wars, only disappoint.
@stonerainproductions
@stonerainproductions 9 ай бұрын
@@TY-km8hj well said. I said that to try to show sympathy for his fans, but I believe what you said is completely true.
@staticgrass
@staticgrass 9 ай бұрын
If Ezra is some kind of doppelganger then I will be impressed. But given how much contrivance has gone into this show I think any fan theories are essentially pointless. The show is just a minecart on rails and not a rollercoaster at this point. Stuff happens because there are movies coming and Disney loves to sell toys.
@krisskywalker6368
@krisskywalker6368 9 ай бұрын
Yeah I don’t even watch theory videos anymore because most of it is either nonsense or way too intriguing and complex for Disney to adapt
@zacklamotte6067
@zacklamotte6067 9 ай бұрын
It’s kind of strange that Ahsoka would be so quick to try and become like Anakin, when so many of the things he did went against her basic principles. Even when she was Anakin’s padawan, she openly disagreed with his actions on moral grounds, and she was usually in the right. The only reason Anakin usually looked like a hero in those situations is because they were fighting in a brutal war. But Ahsoka literally called him out on countless war crimes, and then he became one of the greatest forces of evil in the galaxy. I can understand if this season showed Ahsoka working towards forgiving Anakin, but to have her try so hard to become like him is ridiculous.
@paveldatsyuk8268
@paveldatsyuk8268 9 ай бұрын
How happy is buddy that he spent all that time writing these questions. And u answered all of them. Fair play
@blackdragon5274
@blackdragon5274 9 ай бұрын
I don't think I can enjoy something with this many plot holes and conveniences
@krisskywalker6368
@krisskywalker6368 9 ай бұрын
Sabine being able to use the force is like farmer with a shotgun suddenly able to do ki blasts and fly , both have almost zero potential
@reidveryan9414
@reidveryan9414 9 ай бұрын
Filloni has turned Star wars in his own little personal sandbox for he and his friends to play in.
@CouncilCape897
@CouncilCape897 9 ай бұрын
He's been doing that since 2008 with his blunt dismissal of other writers' contributions to the franchise and its lore across all media. This is nothing new.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 9 ай бұрын
@@CouncilCape897 i've seen some folks speculate Dave Filoni knew George was Gonna sell lucasfilms beforehand and used TCW as a platform for him and his stories to govern the bulk of star wars stories going forward. My mind tells me it's far fetched snd he just got lucky, but my gut tells me it's not beneath him to pull that off either.
@CouncilCape897
@CouncilCape897 9 ай бұрын
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I have to agree with you. I wouldn't put it past him at all, but as critical as I am of Filoni, even I think it's far-fetched. While it's never been documented when exactly did George start considering selling Lucasfilm and talked with Dave about it, I get the impression from the reports that he did so just months before negotiations took place. Which leaves little room for Dave to have been made aware of the decision and to have "reshaped the show in his image", so to speak. Specially when it was cancelled just 5 months after the acquisition due to Disney wanting to end its contract with Cartoon Network that gave it exclusive airing rights to Star Wars shows. The episodes that were released on Netflix back in 2014 were leftovers that had already been completed and just hadn't aired on CN due to the premature cancelation. And even if George had stopped caring about the show's direction knowing he was retiring soon, Dave wasn't gonna have full creative control of the bulk of Star Wars stories anyway. Sure, TCW is the only project outside of the PT and OT that was incorporated into the current Canon, but that was only because of George's involvement in it, not Filoni's. And evidently, his attitude hasn't changed at all since the Legends EU days, with his ignoring or outright contradicting even the current Canon's stories. Despite Lucasfilm's promise of a more cohesive continuity where every story mattered and had equal weight when they decanonized the EU. But he still has Kennedy to answer to and the Lucasfilm Story Group to consult with, since they're his superiors at the end of the day. Hell, had it not been for years' worth of fan support and petitions to revive TCW, Dave would've never been able to do so on his own, no matter how much he tried.
@Arcangel61286
@Arcangel61286 9 ай бұрын
As for the ground assault versus Air assault. Yes, you're right that tactically it makes no sense for Thrawn not to launch an Air assault but when he is talking to Enoch and says Assuming that the shuttle is down, we should prepare for a ground assault. He is not saying he is committing the ground assault he is saying Ahsoka Ezra and Sabine are going to be attacking from the ground. So, he put out a delaying action with the volunteer troops. He also knows that the volunteers won't be enough so he then askes the Night witches for help and sends Morgan.
@peev2
@peev2 9 ай бұрын
As for "when has Sabine have been training" I'd say that she said it as comparing to the Rebels show. She's been trained a lot since Ezra last saw her.
@joshuacompton2500
@joshuacompton2500 9 ай бұрын
I do have to thank you for your upload schedule following the episode. I loved seeing the reviews in the morning and having a more analytical video in the afternoon. I have loved all of your coverage of these D+ shows. Thanks
@jonathangrannum8197
@jonathangrannum8197 9 ай бұрын
I can't help but read "D+" as a grade for all the shows, rather than "Disney Plus". Sorry, I know you didn't mean it that way. 😂
@joshuacompton2500
@joshuacompton2500 9 ай бұрын
No problems here. I really enjoyed Mando Season 1 and Andor but I have really despised Kenobi and Ahsoka because they truly have changed the characters beyond all recognition. In my head canon both of these shows never existed
@dhanu_4539
@dhanu_4539 9 ай бұрын
More people should call out bad writing like this. Every episode has just as many plot holes and bad writing.
@istari0
@istari0 9 ай бұрын
So, after 8 episodes, my reaction is best summed up as "that's it?!"
@mellowgeekstudio
@mellowgeekstudio 9 ай бұрын
I have some questons too: Why did Huyang have a spare kyber crystal on the ship? Why Ezra didn't use the Force to build his new lightsaber? Why didn't Morgan recover from her superficial belly wound like Sabine did with her impalement through internal organs? Why Ezra kept wearing his stormtrooper helmet when he escaped the Star Destroyer? Why Ahsoka and Sabine don't use the perguls that go back to their galaxy, the same ones the nightsisters' ancestors used to get there? Why Thrawn has such a positive outlook on life even when things don't go his way? Why Hera changed her orange pants to the brown ones that hides her butt in that one and only scene in the court martial? Why Anakin doesn't pull Ahsoka and Sabine back to the world between worlds and transport them back to their galaxy? Why people like the stuff Dave Felony writes?
@joelpierce1453
@joelpierce1453 9 ай бұрын
All we need now is a wardrobe.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 9 ай бұрын
And a lion.
@Arvenico
@Arvenico 9 ай бұрын
Let's not forget that at the beginning, the shuttle is not only flying at the speed of crabs to make itself a nice easy target for any forces Thrawn should expectedly throw at them, but THERE IS NO ONE AT THE WHEEL EITHER, to react if... I don't know, the sensors show two TIE fighters approaching or something. Huyang and Ezra are in the workshop, Sabine is watching them, and Ahsoka is sitting on top of the ship meditating (instead of at least mediating in the cockpit). They are literally crawling along in a straight line on autopilot, while their enemy is out there and knows where they are. There. Is. No. One. At. The. Wheel.
@DavidWalker1987
@DavidWalker1987 9 ай бұрын
The real problem with Ahsoka is. I am already thinking "How would I have done S1... if I had to keep the key components of the plot, what tweaks would I do" etc. So, lets say that everything up to the end of Ep5 occurs... Ahsokas had her WBW experience and has come out of it as Ahsoka the white and she and Huyang are purgil jumping to Peridia. Sabines already en-route on the eye of Sion. - So lets start of with descending to Peridia. I'd have had several downed ISDs there. Some of the remains of the 7th fleet. Dont need to explain why theyre there. They came with thrawn and Ezra, and theyre ruined. Times have been tough. - They meet the NS trio and they state that Sabine smells like the "troublesome jedi who lives in the mountains". She gets imprissoned in the same way she does in the show. Short while later the Chimera starts to appear... and Sabine escapes (shes just been imprisoned, told she smells like a jedi and is dangerous etc). She shouldnt be taking that as a hint about an early release. I'd be taking that as a firing squad. - She escapes. If you wanted to, you could have her really struggle to use the force to press the door release button opposite her cell window. Its small enough that it gets a pass and shes earned it with the stuff shes gone through (but she hasnt earned proper force pushes etc). - Sabine gets her stuff (somehow) and flees out into Peridia. - Thrawn says Hi to everyone (same as the show, except Sabine isnt there). - Baylon and Shin get sent off after her / Ezra. The two of them have a scene when theyve left, where Baylon says theyve got another plan. They head off to do it. Not interfering with the protagonists again this season. - Sabine heads off towards a mountain range (everywhere else is flat and its close by so clearly the right mountains etc). She fights loads of bandits etc. Its getting dark and shes tired (perhaps injured a little). Ezra appears like OWK in ANH (minus the krayt dragon scream). They have the same initial reunion they did in the show (because it wasnt bad). End of Episode 6. Episode 7. - Ezra introduces her to the Noti, they arent defenceless caravaners. Theyre dwarf like crustaceans that live under the mountains (this is how Thrawn cant just nuke Ezra with bombers / from orbit etc if he needs to). Hes got his own little dwarrowdelf (why not, dwarves / LOTRs is great). - They have a good character building convo. - Ezras been stranded on this planet by Thrawn for the last 2-3 years. Thrawn and Ezra had to work together for a couple of years to surive after they arrived (its a hostile galaxy with loads of threats etc - tiny bit of wider galaxy building). Also makes Thrawn a morally grey(er) character (hes not just simple evil villain 101). - But they had a falling out and Thrawn exiled Ezra on the planet (as he had exiled Thrawn ... its like poetry it rhymes). - They talk about whats happened. - Resolve to infiltrate the NS building / Chimera. - Plan to do so through the catacombs (and not the front door beneath the ISD). This is facilitated by the fact that the Noti have tunnels everywhere etc (theyre dwarf lobsters or w/e so ofc they dig tunnels). - Ahsoka arrives in Peridia (and its not predicted by the NSs - because when has that level of prediction ever occurred before?!) - Ahsoka contacts Ezra through the force (NOT SABINE, SHES NOT EARNED SOMETHING LIKE THAT ETC). They say hi and the episode ends. You could have Ahsoka join up with them at the start of ep8, or join the attack from a different avenue (aerial whilst they infiltrate through the catacombs). Her arrival is what catches Thrawns defences off guard... and allows them to get as far as they do... but our heros still dont stop Thrawn and he gets away. No Ezra doesnt get aboard to return and warn the New Republic. Thrawn gets back and they dont know... this allows him to wreak even more havok before hes eventually stopped. Instead Ezra stays with Sabine and Ahsoka, Ezra has some knowledge of the other galaxy and they set out to try and return home together (homes where the heart is, why would you go home without your family etc etc). End of the season. Season 2 has some clear plot points lined up. Thrawn is going to cause trouble. Our heros are reunited but far from home. Theres going to be some solid team building before they return to start saving the day... and you can mortis god up Baylon and Shins plot if you want to. Anyways. I've had a beer after work, watched the finale a second time... and the fact im headscratching about it all, isnt a good sign. It had such potential and the last two episodes just sucked ass.
@geoffishy
@geoffishy 9 ай бұрын
13:45 The night mothers gave him quite a disapproving look when he gave that order, they probably didn’t appreciate having their home destroyed and would prefer not to have it happen if possible
@DareBear2099
@DareBear2099 9 ай бұрын
I think Dave Filoni needs someone like Fav’s. The series had a lot of weird plotting and pacing issues. I have a feeling Filoni is more of a myth/bigger picture guy like George. He needs folks around him to balance him out and make him Better. I think Ahsoka was missing that, had a lot of awesome big ideas that didn’t coalesce or gel as well as most of us would have liked. Good show, not great, has room for improvement
@jetsonpitsch4293
@jetsonpitsch4293 9 ай бұрын
Most of the recent Disney plus shows suffer from not telling a whole story. It’s as if they made a movie, but had to change it to a show, and during the translation they lost the resolution and said screw it, that can be next season.
@Aurelian_-vu3yz
@Aurelian_-vu3yz 9 ай бұрын
Filoni cannot write Thrawn alone. I hope Lucasfilm is aware of this going forward. Bring in Gilroy and Zahn to help with the military/political aspects and have Dave craft the more mystical aspects involving the Force.
@joshuakolton9955
@joshuakolton9955 9 ай бұрын
Anyone who thought Dave was the savior should feel pretty stupid right now.
@Arvenico
@Arvenico 9 ай бұрын
Maybe disillusioned, rather than stupid?
@BingLing-vz3og
@BingLing-vz3og 9 ай бұрын
As others have already mentioned, Dave seems more like a 'big picture' showrunner type, and I personally liked the general direction he was going. Obviously, he'll need some solid support to help him with getting the details down and plugging up galactic sized plot holes. It's within possibility that he could still become a savior if there's someone there to help shore up his glaring weaknesses, but I suppose that's a big "if".
@gamalielcintron-ww3rb
@gamalielcintron-ww3rb 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Thor for your commentary and coverage. I agree with your view of the finale and your answers to the viewer. It is so sad to me: characters that suffer no consequences, that are not accountable, and conveniently are as they need to be for the plot to happen. A story with so many holes that fans are compelled to plug the holes and defend the writing. One or two things could have swayed this into a better lite, or have it focused on the Shin and Babylon arc. Summing it up: another wasted opportunity. How many more before we give up? Well, for better or for worse, I will be still waiting, assuming the apparently horrid viewership numbers don’t sink season 2.
@HEARTS-OF-SPACE
@HEARTS-OF-SPACE 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was hilarious when the stormtroopers just stood around in a circle and watched Ahsoka fight Morgan. Like, come on! The singular goal of the baddies is to eliminate the threat; they could have easily killed Ahsoka at that point...
@noneyabizness6094
@noneyabizness6094 9 ай бұрын
You want actual stakes? You must be one of those toxic star wars fans. *sarcasm*
@LiteDnBFnatic
@LiteDnBFnatic 9 ай бұрын
The whole "how did Ezra know where Hera was?" Is made worse when: A) Thrawn would've had to enter close to the Alliance fleet in question B) or...the coordinates for Hera's fleet never changes and Sabine just knew where the fleet was even though we've never seen Sabine interact with Hera personally C) The ship can thus be tracked to the location of a fleet that Sabine or Ezra supposedly had knowledge of (if Thrawn is that good as Filoni thinks he is then they have damned the fleet and the planet they are stationed at entirely now) D)This is now on the writers to prove ANOTHER problem, if they knew where Hera and her fleet was, they literally could have just picked up Ezra, left the planet and went into hyperspace to that location.
@DustinWillis18
@DustinWillis18 9 ай бұрын
All this video did was prove that Andor is still the superior SW show, hands down. In fact, this is a good time for a rewatch because I deeply need a satisfying finale.
@mazkeraid4039
@mazkeraid4039 9 ай бұрын
That is not a high bar to surpass.
@burna2650
@burna2650 9 ай бұрын
I said it was presented like a cartoon from the beginning but no one wanted to believe it. The plot, acting, pacing, action and just overall presentation is like an episode of Rebels. This was advertised like it was primetime adult television. But I've been attacked by this take even though it was obvious from the first episode. Glad folks are catching up now. It should've just remained animated for the part of the fanbase that actually liked Rebels. None of these characters should've mixed with the live action universe imo. We need HBO quality StarWars like Andor period.
@peregrine9745
@peregrine9745 9 ай бұрын
You've never been alone though, and I'm glad others see it. I couldn't put my finger on it the first couple episodes, but then I realized that the writing quality was just about right for a Saturday-morning cartoon. That's what the show is... though even with that understanding, it was pretty rough to watch.
@burna2650
@burna2650 9 ай бұрын
@@peregrine9745 indeed. I couldn't take it seriously.
@manz7860
@manz7860 9 ай бұрын
​@@peregrine9745it really hit for me last episode when ezra pulled a blaster off a dead stormtrooper and used it to murder more troopers This is right after he refused his old lightsaber because "the force was his ally"
@KeyThrast
@KeyThrast 9 ай бұрын
14:25 Knowing that they’re all not actually speaking English makes the ‘Ronin’ thing a bit more believable to me as realistically he’d probably make reference to whatever for them is historically similar to a ronin. I was actually just reading a manga where a character mentioned the River Styx, but in a note it mentions he actually mentioned the Japanese Sanzu River and they translated it ‘Styx’ to make it more immediately recognizable to Western readers. I feel it’s like the same thing here
@AndrewRisitano
@AndrewRisitano 9 ай бұрын
Thrawn wasn't ordering a ground assault. He said to prepare for a ground assault. Meaning the Jedi assault would be on the ground.
@CaptainphoenixofficialYT
@CaptainphoenixofficialYT 9 ай бұрын
To answer some questions: 1. Thrawn WAS tracking the TIEs. Enoch straight up tells him that they shot down the cruiser before losing communication meaning either the pilots sent the coordinates before they died or Thrawn was already tracking them. 2. The 'Ronin' take is weird. That's like asking why the characters use titles such as 'General', 'Admiral', 'Queen' or 'Emperor'? Emperor is not even the final definition, Pharaoh is another word for King or Emperor, why not use that? That is just nitpicking at this point. They were clearly just going for a recognisable word. Star Wars has been using the same words we do for years, why get mad at it now? Did you want them to come up with entirely new names and titles that mean the exact same thing in our world? 3. Thrawn started blowing up the fortress while Ahsoka and Sabine were still on it. He didn't know Ezra made it onto the Star Destroyer and assumed he could take out all three of them. The only reason he didn't do it earlier is cause he was getting his ship into position for takeoff. 4. How does Ezra escape the Star Destroyer? Simple. He either hid in Baylan's ship or blended in with the other stormtroopers until he got back to the main galaxy. Then, once they got back, he stole Baylan's ship (which has a hyperdrive) and jumped before Thrawn could notice. 5. I'll give you that he shouldn't know how to find Hera but since he knows she's a general, him using an old Rebellion code would easily peak her interest. 6. Ezra's ship wasn't shot down cause he probably either identified himself or gave a secure code that put the New Republic at ease. They weren't dumb like last time cause we see Ezra being escorted to Hera's ship with two armed fighters AND Hera has a crew ready to open fire at any aggression unlike the last captain who was smug about his situation (not to mention that there was more than one New Republic cruiser, Ezra really couldn't have pulled anything if he tried). I get y'all don't like the show (or in your case, the finale) which is fine, but that is no reason to cook up excuses to hate it. Just make critiques of things that actually don't make sense (like Ezra still wearing the stormtrooper armor when meeting Hera. Seriously, wtf was up with that?).
@Odraude2105
@Odraude2105 9 ай бұрын
I thought about those too, they are nitpicks. but yeah mostly everything else is pretty much a plot hole
@Gaia1054
@Gaia1054 9 ай бұрын
I'm so glad to see others who were greatly disappointed after watching last nights episode. My own brother told me I was "looking to far into it" when pointing obvious issues like Sabine and Ashoka having no reaction to allowing Thrawns return to the galaxy. Or how Thrawn should've moved his ship from the tower so the Jedi couldn't board it. All and all this show just kept on letting me down after each and every step. Had some interesting ideas (mainly Baylon) but did nothing with them.
@xGymxClassxHero
@xGymxClassxHero 9 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching your videos forever, this is my first ever comment. Listening to you read point by point through that list was equal parts painful, laughable, and depressing. I’m a lifelong Star Wars fan and I think this show really put the final nail in the coffin for me with Disney Star Wars. Can’t even take myself seriously trying to watch these poorly written, cartoonish “live-action” shows. I’ve tried to let all the silly plot conveniences slide, but this finale was a joke. Nothing in the Star Wars universe has any tension, or meaning anymore. Appreciate your work Thor, keep it up!
@BobMcDowell
@BobMcDowell 9 ай бұрын
I'm right there with you. I've been a Star Wars fan my entire life. Empire is my first memory of being in a theater. I once won Star Wars Trivial Pursuit in a single turn. Most of my casual wardrobe is Star Wars shirts. But I think I'm done with Star Wars. Star Wars itself is as dead as Luke Skywalker is, and my heart is breaking again.
@erinjaackson
@erinjaackson 9 ай бұрын
my childhood was the clone wars (ahsoka being my favourite) and this show was such a disservice. i wasn't happy with casting rosario in mando s2 but i was interested in seeing how they would make it work. her fight scenes were painful as she lacked the agility the character required. the dialogue was bland and uninteresting. the sabine apprentice arc was the worst plot aspect, it still makes absolutely no sense and they didn't even seem to have a relationship. if they wanted her to have an apprentice they should've picked jacen or a new character. i only liked were huyang,shin and baylan which is a shame.the show appeared to have a budget unlike other d+ shows but thrawns design took me out, he doesn't look imposing or villainous at all...
@jimdaniels7531
@jimdaniels7531 9 ай бұрын
Ahsoka's arc in TCW was excellent. In this show she's just wasted, like most of the characters and actors.
@LocaltheStream
@LocaltheStream 9 ай бұрын
They missed an opportunity for a "its an old code, but it checks out" scene for Ezra to dock
@lordcarnorjax8599
@lordcarnorjax8599 9 ай бұрын
More mystery boxes than a JJ Abrams movie. And this guy is being touted as the saviour of Star Wars 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@geoffreygill5849
@geoffreygill5849 9 ай бұрын
They tell us in the trailer that Baylan is after “power, power such that you’ve never dreamed” and they leave us in the FINALE with the same info… kinda seems dumb to get people excited for something in a trailer, and they’re back to square one after finishing the whole “f”ing show
@owensmiley462
@owensmiley462 9 ай бұрын
I think I have an easy fix to explain why the heroes arrive just too late and also show that Thrawn is pretty smart. The heroes should be flying towards the Chimera without the Noti, and then see that Thrawn has sent TIE Fighters to attack the Noti. Being the noble Jedi they are, they would divert from their course and save them before continuing their charge. This way, we at least see Thrawn exploit some classic Jedi traits and it could make more sense that he sends fewer forces in this scenario as well
@6runger
@6runger 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Thor, this video was more fun to watch than most of Ahsoka's season.
@mellowgeekstudio
@mellowgeekstudio 9 ай бұрын
Regarding the ground assault question, I think Thrawn meant they needed to "prepare for a ground assault" coming from Ahsoka, Sabine and Ezra, since they have no ship to make an air assault.
@Alex-02
@Alex-02 9 ай бұрын
Just rewatched ESB after this show and holy shit, darth Vader is like 10x more intelligent (and menacing) than thrawn. I highly recommend everyone to do the same just to see the difference!
@kendershot
@kendershot 9 ай бұрын
Two things: there was a Tales of the Jedi where Anakin was training Ahsoka by putting her in the middle of a group of clone troopers and her job was to not get hit, so having her against half a dozen all on one side of the room would be much more basic for her. Two: stormtroopers were pretty effective in the first two movies. It isn't until Endor where they get rocks dropped on them by teddy bears that they are more of a joke.
@knightoforange7177
@knightoforange7177 9 ай бұрын
Filoni's recent works remind me of a saying among tabletop dms and gms, steal liberally. While that can work for home games for your friends I can't imagine using that for television or movies. There's a certain point where things go from this is an homage to just picking and choosing the best parts of other famous stories because you lack creativity. Unfortunately I think Filoni has hit that point.
@manz7860
@manz7860 9 ай бұрын
He was great at interpreting George's story. When it comes to his own stories....reminds me of the game of thrones writers when they ran out of material.
@bryanfrazier4648
@bryanfrazier4648 9 ай бұрын
Galactic Basic is essentially intended to be a universal translator for the person reading or viewing the story, while at the same time allowing it to have it's own meaning in universe. (Arabesh) It's actually a brilliant idea as it allows you to adapt it to any (Earth) language.
@Ifness
@Ifness 9 ай бұрын
It seems that we have a clear competitor for best original screenplay in the next Emmys 😂
@lv13david
@lv13david 9 ай бұрын
Good questions overall but can we please get over Thrawn's use of the word "ronin"? That's like asking why (jedi) knights exist in the Star Wars universe.
@tacticoolathleteperformanc3366
@tacticoolathleteperformanc3366 9 ай бұрын
They should have let Sabine fail on the force push and Ezra fall to his death. There, I said it.
@vestarakhai5303
@vestarakhai5303 9 ай бұрын
As for the ISD and the Ring my theory is they can't reach outer atmosphere I mean the reactor is functional but those engines themselves don't look so good, I think repulsors are about the extent of its maneuverability until Thrawn can fully repair it
@dark_selaphiel
@dark_selaphiel 9 ай бұрын
He could still go up like 100 meters and then there would have been no threat of anyone boarding his ship after they downed Ahsoka's craft.
@gorsehillproductions
@gorsehillproductions 9 ай бұрын
I’ve seen some people theorising about where Ahsoka fits into the ‘mandoverse’ timeline, so I’ve made a timeline which incorporates The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka so that it can all be viewed together as one show - similar to The Clone Wars or Game of Thrones with various storylines running parallel and occasionally intertwining. Here it is: 1. Chapter 1: The Mandalorian 2. Chapter 2: The Child 3. Chapter 3: The Sin 4. Chapter 4: Sanctuary 5. Chapter 5: The Gunslinger 6. Chapter 6: The Prisoner 7. Chapter 7: The Reckoning 8. Chapter 8: Redemption 9. Chapter 9: The Marshal 10. Chapter 10: The Passenger 11. Chapter 11: The Heiress 12. Chapter 12: The Siege 13. Chapter 13: The Jedi 14. Chapter 14: The Tragedy 15. Chapter 15: The Believer 16. Chapter 16: The Rescue 17. Part One: Master and Apprentice 18. Chapter 1: Stranger in a Strange Land 19. Chapter 2: The Tribes of Tatooine 20. Part Two: Toil and Trouble 21. Chapter 3: The Streets of Mos Espa 22. Chapter 4: The Gathering Storm 23. Chapter 5: Return of The Mandalorian 24. Chapter 6: From the Desert Comes a Stranger 25. Part Three: Time to Fly 26. Chapter 7: In the Name of Honor 27. Part Four: Fallen Jedi 28. Part Five: Shadow Warrior 29. Chapter 17: The Apostate 30. Chapter 18: The Mines of Mandalore 31. Chapter 19: The Convert 32. Chapter 20: The Foundling 33. Chapter 21: The Pirate 34. Chapter 22: Guns for Hire 35. Part Six: Far, Far Away 36. Chapter 23: The Spies 37. Part Seven: Dreams and Madness 38. Chapter 24: The Return 39. Part Eight: The Jedi, the Witch, and the Warlord I focused on maintaining plot continuity and thematic consistency - for example, Chapter 16 of The Mandalorian ends with Grogu getting rescued from the Empire by a Jedi and the very next episode, which is Part One of Ahsoka, opens with Morgan Elsbeth being rescued from the New Republic by Dark Jedi, Part Five of Ahsoka ends with Ahsoka flying off with the Purgill and in the next episode, Chapter 17 of the Mandalorian, Grogu sees Purgill while traveling through hyperspace (possibly the same Purgill?). Also, between Part Two and Part Three of Ahsoka, she appears with Luke in The Book of Boba Fett so perhaps she is stopping off to let him know she is pursuing Thrawn and perhaps asking him for help? This viewing order also doesn’t leave too long a gap between Ahsoka’s duel with Morgan Elsbeth and her escape otherwise if ‘Ahsoka’ is set after Mando S 3 that implies that Morgan Elsbeth was being transported to prison for over 2 years which doesn’t make sense and is difficult for more casual viewers to remember who Elsbeth is.
@EvanBerry.
@EvanBerry. 9 ай бұрын
In the previous episode, Thrawn acted as if the defeat of his night troopers in the Noti village wasn't really a loss, and that the Jedis' survival would prove useful for his plans. I would have liked to have seen that come to fruition. Instead, it just sounds like he's rationalizing or reframing his defeat so as not to be bothered by it.
@TrueKoalaKnight
@TrueKoalaKnight 9 ай бұрын
So y'all didn't notice that 2 of the main engines on the Chimera are out of commission? They're in atmosphere and that ship has a whole hell of a lot of mass to move around with a lot less power. Plus the ship is pretty old. It's probably held together with bubblegum and spit at this point given that the replacement parts it would need are in another galaxy.
@richardtucker6974
@richardtucker6974 9 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video and great questions Glen. I’ve still not seen it but my excitement is changing to ummmmmm not sure 😂😂
@SavageRush012
@SavageRush012 9 ай бұрын
I don't know what it is with Star Wars under Disney but they struggle consistently to get a concise win.
@WhoWouldWantThisName
@WhoWouldWantThisName 9 ай бұрын
If this were `Jeopardy: Star Wars Ahsoka edition', we could correctly answer everything simply with "Somehow, What is somehow? Alex"
@Rathadude
@Rathadude 9 ай бұрын
As for the laser question, people still don't seem to understand that blaster fire in Star Wars is supposed to be compressed plasma or something to that effect. It isn't actually laser fire that moves at the speed of light.
@irishrailenthusiast1977
@irishrailenthusiast1977 9 ай бұрын
Yeah there were many questions created for me too. Not sure why Thrawn wouldn't send a squadron of TIEs as the remnant could have simply replenished lost forces. Especially since the heroes were grounded. You made a good point there. As to the question of the Stormtroopers being inaccurate while accurate in Andor, as I've said before in Andor they were shooting unarmed civilians. But when faced with a military target, they're incompetent and useless. So no points go to Stormtroopers even in Andor as let's face it, it's easy to hit targets that aren't shooting back. Clone Stormtroopers on the other hand, they are proper soldiers. And the more difficulty they face, the better soldiers they are in battle. Stormtroopers, the more pressure, the more they falter.
@fffx2
@fffx2 9 ай бұрын
Don't count on Filoni answering any of them. The whole show was a mystery box.
@geoffishy
@geoffishy 9 ай бұрын
Thrawn surely meant at 6:50 to prepare for a ground assault from the Jedi, as in prepare to defend a ground assault.
@classicbrix6712
@classicbrix6712 9 ай бұрын
I love the fact that the crab people know how to repair ahsoka’s ship and have ships of their own yet still rely on slingshots as their weapon of choice…
@LowbaccaShaka
@LowbaccaShaka 9 ай бұрын
In conclusion Andor still remains the best of Disney StarWars.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 9 ай бұрын
Ahsoka still is to a degree.
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
Andor stands out for sure.
@John_Locke_108
@John_Locke_108 9 ай бұрын
Amen. The dialog and acting is what made Andor great. The dialog and acting is what made Ahsoka terrible.
@istari0
@istari0 9 ай бұрын
@@achaudhari101 In what way?
@andrewmiles8702
@andrewmiles8702 9 ай бұрын
Rogue One is the best of Disney Star Wars. The Mandalorian reignited the fandom and non fandom.
@sca4789
@sca4789 9 ай бұрын
Asking logical questions about this show is like asking questions about Roadrunner, Wiley Coyote, or Popeye. There are no good answers.
@QuinchGaming
@QuinchGaming 9 ай бұрын
Whilst there are a good number of points brought up I agree with, plenty of the writing was a matter of "just because" & considering the rest of the series that's a real disappointment as there's been a lack of that "hand waving" style of story telling before. I can only think that there's a lot of film that's been cut out. Perhaps 10 episodes could have filled a lot of gaps? There are, however, also a good number of his queries actually answered in the episode. Thrawn didn't destroy "Minas Morgul" sooner as his ship was too close, he only starts firing once it's moved away. Why is the Chimera moving so slowly? Did you not see how many engines weren't working? Similarly, the Chimera didn't go to the ring because 1) it was still loading & 2) once it was finished it was too late, clearly the ring, with all working engines, is faster. Why didn't Thrawn send out a ground attack? He NEVER ordered one, he ordered a preparation FOR a ground attack i.e. set up a defence. That's what he did. Why didn't Thrawn shoot the Jedi shuttle at the end 1) Star Destroyers really DON'T have rear firing weapons & 2) He knew they were going to get away and strand them anyway...and a little gloating is good for the ego.
@blacksabre5343
@blacksabre5343 9 ай бұрын
I think that when the hype and positive feelings the fans got from the member berries and things were allowed to settle down for this to process , the cracks of the show start to show really bad. Your videos are always great and thought provoking, thanks for what you do!
@WhiskyCardinalWes
@WhiskyCardinalWes 9 ай бұрын
While I don't think Disney will be around to make a season 2, I would like to see the further antics of Inspector Blueseau.
@inkedvader813
@inkedvader813 9 ай бұрын
I don't know about all the questions, but isn't there a chance shuttle was carrying repair parts?? And with the Yang able to direct the obviously technically capable Noti
@PatrickLuxford-zn3wf
@PatrickLuxford-zn3wf 9 ай бұрын
I agree with most of these questions. A lot of stupidity. However, two I can answer - when Thrawn says "now we prepare for a ground assault" he does not mean "now we launch a ground assault", he means "now we prepare to receive a ground assault, the only type our attacker can now muster". Doesn't excuse not strafing them from the air the entire time, but it does at least affirm that the Grand Admiral knows what a ground assault is. One question I would add is "who packed up that minefield that they somehow deployed from hammerspace to kill the space whales"? I presume they packed it back into hammerspace also, because that's not fitting into a Star Destroyer
@29blazehead
@29blazehead 9 ай бұрын
For the one where the ship gets damaged, I took it as the shields were not engaged because they were basically on the ground. I wish there was some sort of dialogue that brought that up. But when I first saw the ship getting hit, it didn't really surprise me because of the position there were in. Any ship that has been docked in Star Wars, do get damaged. It just doesn't happen very often.
@lyka1392
@lyka1392 9 ай бұрын
My main question is how did Ezra get a Lightsaber crystal when its never said that Peridia has any crystals?
@BingLing-vz3og
@BingLing-vz3og 9 ай бұрын
that's not a plot hole at all, Huyang has a few to spare.
@lyka1392
@lyka1392 9 ай бұрын
@@BingLing-vz3og I guess that makes sense, although I'd imagine it wouldn't work as well considering the crystal chooses the Jedi, not the opposite
@andysat1318
@andysat1318 9 ай бұрын
Only reason i can think of for their slow pace with the shell people is that they were waiting until Ezra built a light saber.
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Thor, really enjoy the breakdowns
@MurdocIsASaint
@MurdocIsASaint 9 ай бұрын
Mental*
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
​@MurdocIsASaint I'm not watching this show lol. Just Thors coverage
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 9 ай бұрын
I say that’s hate watching. Stuff like that is insulting.
@coda7994
@coda7994 9 ай бұрын
​@achaudhari101 oh its you again I didn't watch Ahsoka, I can't hate watch what I didn't watch.
@achaudhari101
@achaudhari101 9 ай бұрын
@@coda7994 But yet you will pretend to care by being on a channel that said he liked the series overall. It's either hate watching or some kind of pseudo-Stockholm Syndrome.
@dankokamcevski
@dankokamcevski 9 ай бұрын
Clearly, Thrawn transporting possibly dozens of night sisters back to Dathomir consists a very grave threat to the galaxy. But the problem is that such plan couldn't have been know by Ahsoka and company since no one really knew where Thrawn was. It was like begging the question - assuming the threat before really finding out about it. THAT is very weird storytelling.
@VietBotPDX
@VietBotPDX 9 ай бұрын
you see, Thrawn, knowing that the show was called "AHSOKA" knew that she had so much plot armor on, it would be impossible to kill her. so the strategy was to keep her and her plot armor away from the ship for as long as possible
@dimitertchernookov8911
@dimitertchernookov8911 9 ай бұрын
Hey Thor, I love all your content and have been following for a couple years now. I usually stand by 75% to 99% of your views, depending on the show. The remaining percentage, I find very relevant and well presented, with compelling arguments. This video however made me laugh a bit. Yes, there are tons of inconsistencies in this last episode (some of them frustrating, just like some things that were left unanswered - or even worse: unaddressed)…but one could make such a list (and therefore video) about every single SW content (with perhaps the exception of Andor), including the OT. My point is: if one is worried about everything being logical and having a sound explanation, then one should just perhaps not watch SW 🤷🏻‍♂️ Of course, I’m not saying we should let everything slide by and blindly love every content despite its issues or imperfections. But there’s a difference between some “convenient” inconsistencies that overall still help the plot move in the right direction, and some major issues that break canon or destroy long established and beloved characters (like in the Kenobi show or the ST). And I’m not saying every inconsistency in the Ahsoka show is negligible and inconsequential…but once again, I think the OT does have some pretty major inconsistencies, however every single SW fan loves these movies and does not go through the trouble of combing them in order to pick every single inconsistency or moment that doesn’t make absolutely full sense, and then organizing it all into an extensive chronological list of questions and problems (half of which could apply to basically any and all SW content, be it movies or series or anime, and are therefore in my opinion irrelevant, and even ridiculous in their redundancy: for example why don’t storm troopers and ship hit their targets or why some doors are closed or why lightsabers are used or not used in certain ways in certain situations…). So many fans keep saying they want SW to feel like it used to to them, meaning: when they were kids. Well then, isn’t the problem perhaps that some fans look at new content with an adult-level critical, rational and logical mind, instead of having the same state of mind they had as kids - a more curious, more naive, dare I say more open and innocently imaginative mind that was certainly not reflecting on every single scene to see what’s wrong or doesn’t make (total) sense with it? Just a thought I’ve had for a while… Thank you for your time and awesome content! Please keep it going! Greetings from Amsterdam :-)
Now THIS is entertainment! 🤣
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