My wife, who is not a gamer, actually turned to me after the finale and said "Well, it's not like they really need a cure. There's barely any zombies left. They could probably just wipe them out." That's how few fucking zombies they had in their fucking zombie show.

Three different people were like "Ellie, you're a natural leader." How? Why? What about her makes her a natural leader, and how is it apparent to so many people?

Joel was a lot harder on Ellie in the games. not letting her have a gun and shouting at her when she actually helped, made the ending more impactful but in the show he cared for her by ep 4 making it feel more like a buddy roadtip show

The thing with the DLC in the game, was that it would cut back and forth between Ellie trying to keep Joel alive after the raiders at the university, and the time she spent with Riley in the past. It kinda baffles me that we didn't get the same thing in the show. I mean, I'm pretty sure the flashbacks in the game happened because Ellie was in a similar looking mall as she was trying to find medical supplies to keep Joel alive

The infected didn’t really seem to be that big of a problem for Joel and Elle to deal with.

The problem with the ending in the show is that since there's essentially no zombie threat preceding it, Joel's big choice between saving Ellie and saving humankind carries far less weight, because humanity isn't really all that much at risk vis a vis the infected.

Unfortunately we ended up with not enough bonding. The point of the plot was that Ellie needed Joels skills in order to survive. Without the dependency in life and death situations, created by the infected, it’s way harder to buy their father and daughter dynamic. The show didn’t give them enough moments to overcome obstacles. When Joel gets hurt in the game, it’s this huge moment. Ellie lost her protector and now had to grow up and adapt quickly, while being surrounded by all kinds of enemies. Moments like these just hit WAY harder in the game.

I really enjoyed the scene where they were hiding from the clickers , but the show was just like ‘that’s all your getting ‘

One huge disappointment is they just gave up on the flashback sequences where we got a glimpse into the initial outbreak. They could have done so much more with this.

The most unbelievable part of episode 7 was that 20 years after the apocalypse they knew the mortal kombat 2 fatalities

The opening talk show scene, the flashback in Indonesia and Pedro Pascal were the best parts of the show

Just started playing the game for the first time and I'm amazed at how much better it is compared to the show.

Great news! I heard HBO is casting the Rock as Abby for season 2. Can’t wait.

Best part was when Joel is asked by Marlene "How did you make it this far?" And I thought to my self "BECUASE THEY DIDN'T ENCOUNTERED ANY INFECTED!!!"

My favourite part was when Kathleen threatened to call the manager, very scary stuff

I love how they made it a guarantee that Ellie’s brain could’ve created a cure and stripped all ambiguity out of the ending to serve Neil Druckmann’s hate boner for Joel. Not a single mention of any of the logs from the game that said they had tried the operation before only for it to fail.

The game made Joel’s actions more reasonable because you fight so hard with Ellie you have to appreciate her and her attitude but you don’t see much danger in the show

They made the fireflies look a lot nicer in this show in order to justify the second season.

The show is basically Neil Druckmann’s fan fiction of what he wishes the original story was, and its changes to Joel are custom built to justify what happens next season. For better or worse, HBO’s Joel is a more dramatic, vulnerable character. He tries to cover himself in a false bravado, but his trauma spills over when he is pushed too far. This is perfect setup for someone who will ultimately just bumble around and gets himself killed. Conversely, the original Joel was repressed down to his core. Any vulnerability trickled out like tiny droplets during moments of calm, and pushing only caused him to shut off and reinforce his walls. Even at his most honest, he’d only ever learned how to use that emotional toolbox of a southern blue collar worker. He was far too pragmatic and defensive to ever behave as they made him in Part 2. tl;dr The apocalypse turned HBO-Joel into who he is. It turned OG-Joel into too much of who he already was.

Love that sloth golf club edit 😂 Part of the reason I can’t get invested in this show is because of the bitterness of the second game. I know where we are going, and don’t like it.

I love that the Fireflys' master plan is "CHAZ, but with highly infectious zombies".

After watching the finale I cant even remember when was the last time we saw them face infected. Definitely could have used more of them. Edit. I checked and literally the last time they faced infected was in episode 5. we had 1 infected in episode 7 but it was a flashback episode. So yeah no wonder it felt like forever as it was 4 weeks ago when we saw them face infected.

I remember watching my wife play the game when it first came out. It was truly amazing storytelling, with brilliant characters. The atmosphere and intensity was fantastic. But all clips I’ve seen of the show put me off of watching it, I don’t want to ruin my memories of such an incredible experience. I struggle to believe the show will have the same impact as the game.

The best part is "we are communists" two scenes later " I traded something for a jacket"

Let's just say they made Joel's choice a lot more ambiguous and morally gray than in the game. In the game, the Fireflies knocked him out when he was pumping out Ellie who had drowned in the water, they were not going to return his backpack to him (he found it himself) and even more so to pay him for delivering Ellie with weapons, it was not explained exactly how the vaccine would work and why they could not conduct experiments on Ellie's blood. In the series, Ellie is treated much more carefully, Joel was going to return his things and be paid, how the vaccine works, explained quite realistically. At the same time, Joel kills people who have already surrendered, and not just armed ones (although he spared the nurses). However, in both cases, Ellie was not allowed to make a choice and give consent or refusal. Despite the fact that she is a minor and has not reached the age of consent ... And most importantly, even if the vaccine is administered to all people (which is impossible), it still will not save the world. Millions of infected people who tear and devour people, thousands of cannibals and robbers will not go anywhere, and there will simply not be enough hands and heads to restore the energy grid, the economy and the social system. So summing up, I'm still on the side of Joel.

I watched the last episode with my dad. We lost my brother right before my first bithday. When Marlene told Joel she understood my dad responded with "no she doesn't" and immediately wanted Joel to wipe them out. He kept asking if he killed Marlene during the rampage and was completely on Joel's side. He also immediately thought that the Fireflies were sending Joel to his death as they hadnt given him his gun back and his backpack seemed to be low on supplies.

If they want the adaptation of part 2 to work, they need to introduce Abby and her story first, tell her whole backstory, ending the season with the climax of her learning of her father's death and who is responsible. Season 3 opens with the Joel/Abby/Ellie scene, and kicks off Ellie's revenge quest. Season 3 finale is the finale of the game. They need to dispense with the mystery of the "who is this Abby and why did she murder Joel" mystery the game tried to create suspense with. For new viewers, if they don't create massive identification with and empathy for Abby FIRST, it'll suffer a lot of the same problems part 2 the game suffered. To be fair, I sent really got a lot out of the part 2 game's masochistic gameplay and story, but this change is, imho, a near must for the TV show to sink in and be well received.

The part where the drinker talks of there not being much of the infected really echoes my sentiments having just watched it. The last 3 episodes barely feature any infected. The entire time I was just like " where are the infected ?! "

That “Ellie’s gay by the way” line from Drinker somehow just always makes me laugh hysterically. 😂

This show needed 12 episodes, bare minimum. Joel and Ellie needed more time together for me to really buy their relationship. They did well with what they had, but it's pretty clear they needed more.

Watching season 1 just made me appreciate Troy and Ashley from the game even more. They set the bar so damn high it couldn’t be surpassed in my opinion. TV show was solid enough just felt off in certain aspects. And now onto season 2….Strap in everybody 🤕

I'm just glad Ashley Johnson got to play the mom in the story. She was Ellie in the games and I wanted her to get to be a part of it

I wish there was more time spent with Joel and Ellie exploring the land, running into clickers stealth killing, teaching Ellie things ie swimming. It was the bonding that made them grow together, not just the one incident of Ellie nursing Joel. They also stole Ellie's comment that had so much meaning to Ellie, 5 seconds shy after naming the people who died "when is it my turn". Ellie wanted to die after shooting her best friend and wanted her death to have meaning which Joel took away. I've always felt like the Fireflies were a useless bunch. When we see them, they're usually corpses or about to die. They blew up a food storage supply... why? FEDRA are dealing with the left off citizens who are bums and criminals whereas Jacksonville is dealing with a helping community. FEDRA was necessary.

I was unbelievably disappointed at the lack of infected. They are what drew so many people to the franchise in the first place

I had a pretty massive issue with the ending of the show. In the game it wasn't so black and white. There was grey area on all sides. From the other Doctors who wondered if there work was even moral and some wondering if they could even afford morality. Especially with Joel there was a lot of grey area because even he second guesses himself in a time where he was acting completely off of impulse. The show kind of tries to make it like Joel just went completely unhinged and almost like what he did he knows was bad but he had no other choice. To me that totally undercuts why the Last of Us had one of the best ending in a video game of all time.

What about the reveal that Ellie's mom was pregnant when she herself got infected? Marline was there and saw it. Therefore, she had a pretty good guess as to why Ellie was immune. In my opinion, it throws a wrench in the plot because the fireflies didn't need to spend all their resources on saving Ellie. The could have recreated Ellie at any point. They would just have to wait until women got pregnant and then infect them shortly before birth. A terrible thing to do, but one that would bring about a population of people immune to the fungus.

I did not play the game, so I’ve heard how bad ass Joel is for 8 episodes and FINALLY saw a glimpse of it in 9

I'm not sure if I was the only one who felt like Joel's decision in the game seemed more understandable than in the show. Did anyone else get the sense that we were supposed to see Joel as a bit of a crazed lunatic towards the end of the show? Whereas in the game it was more balanced? We know it's probably not the right choice for the greater good, but we could all see ourselves doing the same. We definitely could have done with 2 more eps of Joel and Ellie actually 'surviving' together, against infected and/or other survivors. Build up their relationship and chemistry through action as well as those little chats they have throughout.

Lack of infected is certainly a thing. I don't think the show really captured that "killing is a necessity" element either. Joel got a few significant kills, but that 'savagely murder someone to get a few more bullets' element is missing

My problem: You've got 9 episodes to tell a badass story about a man a teenage girl's relationship in a hellscape. They spent 1 full episode on a side char's gay romance and 1 full episode on the lost gay love of the teenage girl. So many amazing action and dialogue sequences in the game were chucked so they could do this. And what pisses me off is I know WHY they did this... which just poisons the rest of the show for me. Plus we got a Karen girl boss for 2 episodes that gets 100's of people killed for stupid reasons. And they made a character deaf to check a box.

The big cut for me that pissed me off was Ellie and David fighting off infected at the saw mill, really helped establish the trust between them and his betrayal hit way harder. Also game David was way creepier

Very charitable and generous. The Last of Us did a great job of making me not GAF about The Last of Us, and that's probably the only thing it did particularly well. That this show is getting a pat on the back from so-called critical reviewers is, to me, just further evidence that standards are being gradually degraded over time, which is probably at least some part of why media seems to continue getting worse and worse. I honestly get the sense that some seem to be going out of their way to give it a pat on the back, and I don't get the hesitancy or reluctance to categorize it for what it is: mediocre at best. Just because it's not an absolute, wall-to-wall dumpster fire of the same ilk as RoP, etc. (not to worry, I'm sure it'll get there eventually on this trajectory) doesn't mean it deserves at pat on the back. But eh, I guess when you're inundated with absolute dumpster fires, you get desensitized to a normal trash can? Lipstick on a pig, and other similar metaphors apply.

I'm glad that new people can experience this story as a show for the first time but I still think the games are the best version of the story. Troy Backer and Ashley Johnson's performances are just so good. Also it doesn't help that the show has to set up the trash that is the second game.

When I watched episode two and Tess was explaining how the zombie virus works and how they can sense a human from far away it actually seemed like a dangerous world. However as the show goes on I the post apocalypse seems more and more pathetic and easy to survive in.

My biggest gripe about the series is that you have no idea that Joel is supposed to be a badass until the final episode. Guy barely kills anyone during this season then BOOM he takes out at least 15 people in the very last episode. Also Joel & Ellie's relationship felt as if it had barely changed at all from start to finish. Also why do the infected deep kiss you now? They got rid of spores & gas mask so the infected can kiss us?

God i hope they change story for season 2, i mean, Joels golfing session is not something i look forward to see again *insert Tyrion puking clip

I’m surprised you didn’t mention… THE MESSAGE

Honestly felt like Ellie and Joel were still strangers right up until the last episode suddenly they care about each other? The game will always be the best way to enjoy this story

My suspension of disbelief was stretched beyond its factory setting when Ellie's mum pushed out her baby in about four seconds. My daughter was incredibly quick with her first child but Ellie's mum was Usain Bolt in comparison. And don't get me started on the viability of gasoline after twenty-odd years...

Joel literally wiping out a small army singlehandedly is still one of the most badass things ever put to screen. The how dirty they do him in the sequel can't be forgiven.

Between episodes 3 & 7, the latter was way more relevant to the overall story. It covers how Ellie got bit and gives her a tragic backstory that sheds light on the speech that she gave Joel about knowing what loss is. Otherwise, Sam would've been her only personal motivation (already halfway through her journey) to save the world since her & Tess weren't really that close. The flashback in the 3rd episode doesn't even matter since all that needed to happen was for Joel & Ellie to find Bill's letter.

Literally just watch the cutscenes if you want a Last of Us show, it will be better and practically looks real. Everyone forgets or will never know just how savage Joel was.

It says a lot about modern adaptations when just sort of getting it right feels like a major win.

I've played both games and love both of them, and I enjoyed this series as well, ya the series needed more infected, but I'm VERY glad they didn't do a like for like adaptation because it gives people a reason to enjoy both the game and the series and see the differences in the two. NOW Season two is going to be very interesting because they don't have to follow the structure of the 2nd game (for better or worse), but only time will tell.

I haven't played the game, just watched the thing almost 10 years ago by now, so take that in mind. My only real problem with the show was on its ending, which really felt like it was saying "Joel is the bad guy". It didn't feel dubious at all. In the game it's hinted a lot that Ellie's sacrifice might be for nothing and that it might as well not work at all, making the player (or in my case, viewer) wonder and worry that it may be best not to do I cause it may be futile. In the show it felt like the emphasis was on Joel stopping the thing (being "a toxic overprotective father") rather than the moral dilemma of doing it or not. The ending should've felt like Schrödinger's cat dilema, not an almost clear cut "Joel's the bad guy". There should have been, in my opinion, an entire episode of various characters' perspectives on sacrificing Ellie or not for the possibility of a cure.

Sometimes I'm reminded even the Drinker can be blinded to glaring plot holes. If the Fireflies know how Ellie became immune, why do they even need her in the first place? On top of that, they changed the morally gray ending by changing the context of the situation. It reaks of Neil Druckman's rewriting of the Fireflies in TLOU2 to be selfless kind people that they simply never were in the original game.

Being a zombie series, this had very little zombies. It was once again one of those shows where they only fight against humans.

Sorry, gotta call you out for missing the point of the mall scene. The purpose was to show why is so afraid to form new relationships that she pushes people away before they can get close. She has learned that she better not let herself care about people because they are just going to die in the end.

Cannot wait to see how they’ll work on the wreck that might be season 2 the doctor scene felt foreshadowed enough.

Maybe it's because I've played the game all the way through many times and consider it to be superior in every way but I just felt absolutely nothing through the whole season. Not to mention a zombie show with almost no zombies, which was what made the atmosphere in the game so compelling and on the edge of your seat. It wasn't bad and definitely could of been worse and it's the best video game adaptation so far, given how low the bar is for that genre.

I think a lot of the changes from the video-game story were kinda weird and cheesy. One of my favorite parts of the game is the arc with Henry and Sam because of the way their dynamic mirrors Joel and Ellie and reinforces the difficulty of opening yourself up emotionally in a dying world. The inclusion of that whole sidestory with the revolutionary leader (the woman with the voice of a 5 year old) was laughable and really detracted from one of the stronger side stories in the game.

Solid review - nice work!

It was kinda funny how Joel asks Tommy about the trip from Jackson to the University and its like "Its barley possible, only once have we returned with few survivors" Then Joel and Ellie get the entire way there with 0 resistance and only face 1 Cannibal on there way out. the sad part was they did such a good job with the Zombie's when they were on screen. Clickers were hard to stop and a Bloater was almost impossible. I feel like Bella gets a bad rap because Ashley is just a MUCH better and more experienced actor than she is. Pedro is a great actor and you can see that he has that darker force when hes given stuff to work with but the script directions muted him alot to just be "Grumpy old guy". Its just a hard comparison because Troy and Ashley did a better job and had more to work with and more time to do it as there are alot less restraints on studio filming compared to on location shots. I do hope Execs take heed that its how an adaptation should be done. Im terrified of Season 2 because all iv been hearing is they are diverting from the games more and more and probably wont get to Golf untill S4 from what iv been reading

The great thing about this genre of post apocalyptic story telling is the notion discussed in "The Road", and that is does the world deserve to be saved. So much in the game shows you that people do not deserve the cure Elle and Joel are trying to create which makes that climatic finale and debate of what Joel chooses to do all the more impactful. The people still alive can be compared to the monsters that still roam around which is supposed to make you think what the point of saving those who have lost their sense of humanity would be. The Last of us show does not do this because it decides to try and humanize the challenges throughout Elle and Joel's journey. Neil undoubtedly pushes this notion of violence begetting violence, which is a classic theme but not interesting. For my money I will always prefer someone who asks you to think beyond the norms we are used to and the game I think does a way better job of making you think man things are really fucked up, is it possible for people like David or anyone in Kansas city to redeem themselves. The human in you will always say yes but the realist will tell you to not be greedy and take what you have found for yourself, that in this case being Elle.

I'm really not sure if it just felt rushed because I played the game first, which builds the relationship slower and builds a greater connection because you're directly involved rather than a spectator. People I talk to who didn't play the game really enjoy it. Looking forward to their opinions of the finale at work tomorrow.

I started laughing when Ellie's mother gave birth while fighting a zombie with only a knife. Holy shit

I really didn't like this series, but I loved the game.

i decided to abandon it after the first two episodes. I didn't think Bella Ramsey was a good Ellie and I got a bit sick of seeing Reddit lose their mind for something which I didn't think was really going to live up to its promise. Tess' death scene just wasn't a patch on the acting and dialogue in the game and I didn't want to keep comparing stuff like that so I thought it was easier just to leave it for other people to enjoy. Still, reading up on what they got wrong its still baffling how a team with such a big budget, time and...supposed talent can still drop the ball in big enough ways for everyone to see. They're meant to be the experts, not us.

I loved seeing the original voice actress of Elle as Elle's mother!

What I didn't quite get is the mall being locked out because it's so freaking dangerous even tho it possesses some of the things that can be used in post apocalyptic society, and was supposedly overrun with infected and it hade ONE whole infected zombie.

I just finished episode 3 and I just need to say how aggravated I am at how they completely changed the Bill chapter. Easily one of my favorite parts of the game. I will press on as the show is well done, but proceeding with caution.

Did you guys noticed how they made the fireflies more cool and likeable in the show? The same terrorist group that attacked U.S. government safety zones killing tons of innocent civilians, more than once btw. And the reason i think they did that, is because they want "us" to sympathize with the fireflies and hate Joel for saving Ellie.

I think Drinker is being waaaay too forgiving to this show. If it weren't based on a beloved game, I think everyone would consider this show very mid. But since it isn't utter garbage people are giving it a far better rating than it actually deserves.

After watching Chernobyl and now this, it's obvious Craig Mazin knows how to tell a story on screen exceptionally well. But, and there's a couple big buts, I never felt any sense of connection to Joel or Ellie and I never felt immersed in the story. There was nowhere near enough time given to Joel and Ellie's relationship and there was just enough social messaging to annoy a lot of viewers. Lastly, where are all the infected? They feel like a complete afterthought in this show.

Joel became a badass the last three episodes. Before that he seemed like a traumatized alcoholic who needed a hug. But the last three episodes, Pedro pascal nailed it

I was worried from the start that it would start feeling extremely rushed towards the finale because of how many episodes were flashbacks, which I felt like it did. The only thing I'm truly disappointed by though is episode 3, featuring Bill. Yes it was a good episode, amazing acting and great writing, but I wanted to see Bill bickering with Ellie, that was one of my favourite part in the game. And yes, Bella Ramsey did grow on me as the season went on, but when Ashley Johnson showed up in the last episode it made me miss the original Ellie

My biggest flaw is how we spent an entire episode on the Ellie backstory plot and got virtually no segments of actually seeing Ellie become a survivor and how exactly she stayed alive and took care of Joel for however long he was healing. That backstory is super essential to Ellie’s character and motivations so I’m glad we saw at least some of it, but maybe if they did half the episode as flashbacks and the other half as present day Ellie learning how to survive, this show would have been so much better

Now holup, if Ellie got her 8munity from bitten mother...the flies don't even need Elie, they can just replicate the effect and get as many test subjects as they need.

Last of Us 1 will be this one season, Last of Us 2 will be 3-4 seasons. They rushed through this to focus on what they really want to do, kill joel and build up abby.

I read positive reviews so I watched it, but I had to quit on Ep. 3. Not only did it do nothing to further the story, it was quite gross. Some straight dude with PTSD gets manipulated into taking it up the butt. I decided that was enough of The Last of Us for me. Everything I've heard about the show going forward from Ep. 3 does not sound good enough to get back into the show, it actually sounds kind of boring.

What kind of doctor decided to do an operation that has never been done and would kill the patient after 2 hours of running tests? Joel was right.

I was worried that only 9 episodes wouldn't be enough to fully flesh out the relationship with Ellie and Joel, glad to know that my fears were mostly confirmed. I think those to supplemental episodes are fine IF you have already paced enough relationship building between Ellie and Joel to justify the gravity of Joel's actions in the season finale. In the game, you understand Ellies' loudmouth facade is just that, nothing more than a defense mechanism that really doesn't hold up well to real danger and that Joel is the guardian that slowly teaches her agency.

Thanks for your review. You were fair but also clued me in to it not really being worth my time since I can't see myself skipping the episodes that didn't advance the story. Only to get to a finale I'm not interested in seeing. I don't play video games but some things you said about it intrigued me. So maybe I'll play it.

This show Season 1 did turn out better than I thought. I wonder what season two holds for us? Naw, it'll be fine!

Rather disapointed by how little action there was. We hardly ever saw the infected because writers wanted to focus on other things that didn't happen in the game

6 episodes wasn't enough to build the bond (on screen) for the audience between Ellie & Joel, so it feels they had to double down in the final episode.

The show was not bad but not good either. There are so many flaws: 1. The show is not dark enough, it didnt create the apocalyptic dangerous vibe like the walking dead, or Joker's gotham city 2. The show has almost no action, no car accident, no kill, less infected and so on 3. Bella is a great performer, but Ellie became too bold, too bulky, almost no soft spot, no vulnerability, hard to relate. 4. The scenery didnt meet my expectation as well.

Thought about watching this show just couldn't bring myself to do it with what we know is coming for season 2

I enjoyed the first two episodes and the episode with the bloater... well the scenes with the infected anyway. But my biggest issue with it was really how easily they crossed the country overall. When episode 9 came I was amazed that they were already there. I felt like they never really struggled and I dont feel like the infection is that big of a threat. The only time I saw the infection as a huge threat was when the bloater appeared and the hoard overran those bad guys. I was overall underwhelmed by the whole show

Imagine a teenager lecturing you on the intricacies of government in the midst of a zombie outbreak... genius writing.

Well Drinker, I have to say the answer to both of the questions you asked was "No!" And "No." Was it faithful to the source? God no. Just the ending they setup would make this a flat no, to say nothing of the massive changes to side characters and main characters. Will it do a good job adapting it? No, it already failed on point one, but even if we ignore that (a pretty huge ask) the quality of adaptation is just pitiful. Could it have been worse? Maybe. It's hard to tell. You know the uncanny valley effect? Well that applies to the harm a deliberately misstructured 'adaptation' of a story can inflict. Something like Witcher Blood Origin is so pathetically bad it doesn't have much impact. No one with an opinion I have any respect for would even try to defend it. See Rings of Power for similar levels of failure. But then you have something like this, where for some reason, by being slightly less shite, some folks are willing to give a pass. Is this the standard you consider good now Drinker? Is this acceptable to you? Because it truly should not be. Now maybe with time for reflection your viewpoint will change on this 'adaptation'. Maybe it won't. Or maybe I'm just not hearing the depth of sarcasm you intended.

I played the first few hours and have heard the basic gist from other sources, but haven't actually played the entire game myself. Sounds like the perfect time to watch it... if I can be bothered signing up to another subscription service.

The way Pedro said “you’d just come after her” just didn’t hit right with me. Troy baker wasn’t even on screen but I could feel every emotion through his voice.

For me, the whole thing felt so rushed (whilst at the same time so slow because a whole lot of nothing could happen for long stretches at a time). Ultimately, I don't think they gave the necessary time to do justice to the heart of the story: Joel and Ellie (none of the emotional moments hit because it didn't feel believable that they would feel so deeply for one another given how little it had felt they had gone through). For that reason, I don't think it was a successful adaptation. They also didn't do the world justice because, generally, the feeling of dread just wasn't there. Omitting the Infected from the show as much as they did was a mistake, and same for action in general. Action isn't just pew pew, bang bang; it's conflict - conflict that would have done wonders for the development of our protagonists, both on an individual level and regarding their relationship.

The revolutionaries in Kansas City shows pretty well that Fedra wasn't the worst kid on the playground. It is also some gallows humour in the fact that Fedra has been around for 20 years and the new kids on the block lasts 10 days; at least they managed sticking around for longer time than the "free zone" in Seattle that ran out of soy milk.

All ends lead to Abby.

I'll be the last of us to watch the show.

Translation: the show is tolerable so long as I skip a couple out of context episodes & use the fast forward button in a few scenes. Meh, I'll get to it if I have time.

For real tho,they showed you that the cordecyps can talk to other cordecyps some distances off for food and coordination and then NEVER delve into that again

Now time for that Amazon *God of War* series… yay Henry Cavil: “Fuck”