Amen.

Yeah. Show don't tell. Actually I think the best later movie for this is Children of Men.

Here is a dumb question. Why didn't the Marines leave a command crew on the Sulaco?

It’s a great touch that there is a half eaten doughnut on a desk

When I first saw it back in the 89s, it reminded me of “Them” from the 50s. Newt seemed like a direct take from the little girl found in the wrecked rev camp site.

But the way he said “it was a bad call” oozed with so much condescension and insincerity.

@@coreytoomey7579 So... was Call a Bad Call in Resurrection? (Sorry, I'm in a punny mood...)

They made it very clear that Burke didn't actually care what happened to the people. Only the monetary value of the installation.

Though in a way I like the idea of it coming from a higher up, I agree, at least based on what’s on screen, in that I think if it did Burke would have used this to try and weasel out of it, using the old ‘I was just following orders’ argument. I guess it’s possible he was being manipulated somehow by a higher up authority (done so for maximum deniability), but that’s just speculation.

@Cara Dax Burke "didn't warn them" because he knew that if they (the colonist) knew about the dangers that awaited them on that derelict "space jockey" ship they almost certainly wouldn't have gone anywhere near it... or, by Burke signing off on it... he was in effect telling them that it was safe to go out there to investigate the ship. That being said... didn't these frontier-colonist have enough in the way of common sense to know that there just might be the potential for risks or even downright dangerous organisms on a different planet and at least try to arm & protect themselves accordingly... especially before they went into a strange alien space ship of all places??🤔 More to the point... when Newt's parents arrived at the sight of the derelict space craft, you could tell both by the sheer sight and enormity of the ship (as well as by their reaction to it) that they were feeling uneasy about it. Also... you would think that there would be all kinds of formal red-tape procedures in place that would serve to protect any prospectors / surveyors should they come upon and discover something strange. Now that I think on it.... maybe there were indeed "said procedures" already in place that could take god-only-knows-how-long to clear before they could even hope to see any benefits... and by Burke signing off on the log he was in effect quickly cutting through most of the red-tape and thus expediting him getting his hands on a Xeno specimen... and at the expense of the unsuspecting colonist, of course.

Yes there’s so much potential to do a prequel. The hope of setting a new colony only to have the horror of everyone turning into alien. Never understood why they never bothered with a prequel, but then they’ll do so many follow ups. Hadley’s Hope was nuked by a 40 Megaton Bomb. There would be nothing left. And even if the structures still stood, the whole place would be swimming in radiation and the artificial atmosphere would be gone. God that Alien Colonial Marines game was so stupid.

There is a book and audio drama on amazon very nice one. River of pain.

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They could have done that as a second film and then complete the trilogy with Aliens.

They did... James Cameron's "Aliens"

MaddSweetGT500 its the best franchise

same here

MaddSweetGT500 ....I would pay money to see it....

AT-AT!

That would be awesome. I'm sure James Cameron and/or Ridley Scott would be happy to produce. All they would need would be actors that looked like the colonists from the second Aliens movie and a child actress who would look like Carrie Hen. It's like we wouldn't know what would happen at the end of the movie. At some point the Marines would show up. But it wouldn't be any different of a movie that Cameron did let's say "Titanic". We know the boat sinks but it's about the story he built around that matters. If they made this movie they could have more shot going on. Another kind of alien or some new information about the space jockey(s). Sigourney Weaver really should produced this as a movie instead of Alien 3. That movie really wasn't that good, it was all over the place and Fox would have made more money.

yakza5 In the first "Alien" movie (1978)... I think Ash does perform some kind of MRI or other body-scan on Cain and Ash informs Dallas that the facehugger is supplying Cain with oxygen and any attempts to remove it could prove fatal (this is later reiterated in Aliens when the Marines find the facehuggers in the glass tubes and Bishop reads the report that one of the previous patients had died when a medical team had attempted to remove the facehugger that had attached itself to him).

Oh I see, so malpractice was a thing on that planet as well :P

yakza5 I think that when whenever a body-scan is performed on a patient (especially one who's been attached by a facehugger) that information is immediately made known by the Weyland Corporation and they can't wait to get their hands on that patient... certainly not for their aid and benefit, of course.

VredesStall But I always wonder what would happen if they do a scan after the face huger detached and take out the alien embryo before it develops.

yakza5 We do eventually see that in "Alien Resurrection" (ie, medical staff performing invasive surgery to remove the chest-burster before it erupts)... ...but I think that the powers-that-be at Weyland are far more interested in capturing the alien regardless of its various forms (ie, egg / face-hugger / chest-burster / xenomorph / queen, ect) then they are concerned about the poor soul who ends up on the "business end" of a face-hugger. ...and that is also seen in Alien Resurrection when we see one (of about half-a-dozen) captured subject-patients waking up in the lab (likely against their will) just before the face-hugger jumps from the egg.

he really really did

His best role

Apparently at the premiere his sister slapped him because she hated Burke so much!

@John Bower ^ This ^

Doubtful. He may have been an inside man for the Weyland Corp, but the Colonial Marines were a government led military unit. There would have been too much red tape for Burke to go it alone. Bribery to help downplay the severity of the situation, maybe.

@@jayluck8047 But Weyland did send a ship full of marines and a science team. From what I have read and can tell they made Aliens: Colonial Marines cannon.

@@jayluck8047 it would make sense that he acted alone because look at the scene where he talks about how the specimens could be worth millions and that they'd be set for life. Money and power are clearly what motivate Burke even at the expense of an entire colony of people. By cooperating with Weyland Yutani chances are good that his slice of the pie would be much smaller.

CleetusVanDamme530 - Ripley had her debriefing after being found in hyper-sleep. There was a board of directors that closed her case until they lost contact with the colony. I doubt Burke was the only one privy to that intel. So when Burke got Ripley on board for the mission, the equipment and personnel they took with them...? He didn't have the clearance for that. Even if he "made a bad call", the Marines may have gotten there, and "gotten their asses kicked, pal" before the orders were seen by the higher-ups, and then rescinded. Just a thought.

A bunch of Colonial Marines going through space killing aliens, talking trash to each other, and banging. What else is there to do in space?

misterRDF cough Disney cough

what the hell for? it's been pretty thoroughly gone over

@@philiplongee1149 Scream?

That was my exact thought!!!!

I wouldnt exactly call it lore, but its interesting 'expanded universe', thats for sure.

I heard that Newt's actress got made fun of in school for that line. But, nobody remembers them and we all remember her.

Actually it was thought be a smart move because the Marine's guns would(and ultimately did) compromise the terraforming plant and cause a meltdown. That's why it blew up; Vasquez and her man opened fire on volatile components.

nah the crashed dropship damaged the reactor , the marines were mostly defenceless with crappy weapons except Vasquez n the other .

Nathan Guy I'll have to watch again because I thought they shot the reactor during the attack.

Randerson112​ I thought the same but At one point bishop says:" the crash caused too much damage , an overload was inevitable".

Whether the crashed ship caused the melt down or not, the point is that their primary weapons posed a danger of causing a catastrophic explosion. Restricting there use was the right call. Gorman's error was in not pulling them back and reassessing the situation when it became clear that the marines couldn't use their guns. Flame units only but did everyone have a flame unit? Those marines without guns were effectively disarmed.

He would accidentally write it into 4 movies and need to take a 5 year hiatus to study the bottom of the ocean in order to get the story just right.

Totally agree. That would be too cool if they did make a prequel to aliens.

Yeah but Cameron doesn't seem interested in the Aliens universe any longer, not science his evil whitey new age movies he seems to concentrate on.

Maybe Robert Rodriquez, Chris Carter, etc..

Look how that went with Ridley. No, let's leave this to our imaginations at least. James may have lost his mojo like Ridley.

I thought it was a good read as well, more so in that it went into more detail of the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other, I still don't understand why they kept going in there after seeing that, but still does possibly give a good origin for some of the eggs in the derelict

I could understand there being company guards there, but it seems far fetched that there would be marines essentially wasted there. They wouldve had some small arms, riot gear maybe...like todays cops with tasers, batons, pistols, etc, maybe a shotgun. If it was a function that the marines performed, like guarding embassies etc, then I could understand it. But I still view it as inappropriate for a colony to have combat marines stationed there if there is no external alien or military threat posed from the outset.

@@Farlomous "...the Jorden's searching through the derelict and finding the engineer and young queen that had killed each other..." Interesting thanks.

very true I never ran the numbers like you did I always assumed that the colony had several hundred colonist that where transformed or that maybe the hive had several in stasis waiting for a life form to come by much like the queen.

In the film you only ever se a few aliens on screen at once, and the motion tracker only detected "a few dozen hostiles" at once. I could see the hive with about60-100 aliens to make what we see on film work.

I always thought the same thing but if you look at 2:38 you can see the man is saying he "found out what the did with the others AND the live stock" so including the unknown numbers of livestock they would have kept to sustain a colony this could add a great many more aliens for the marines to contend with.

The IronMenace I think at that time, animals weren't thought of to be hosts for aliens by the writers yet. It's more likely the animals were eaten.

This never bothered me. As previously mentioned you never saw too many on screen at once. Only a few aliens are necessary to wipe everyone out anyways.

Swoldier_ Boi, Same.

Yes but if they knew about the distress beacon, the xenomorph who killed ash and the crew, and the ship, then the question is why did they wait over 30 years to go back and start a colony without investigating either the Nostromo's disappearance or the ship again?

It's called bad writing. The people who made the sequel missed a few things. They even screwed up the company name.

ganador13 How so?

William Higton -- Heres the deal: Burke meets Ripley after she is awakened from Stasis. He hears her story about the derelict and the facehuggers etc when she is being debriefed by VanLewen and the other suits. He recognises the potential value of the Xenomorphs as bio-weapons, and sends a message to LV426 requesting that they check out the coordinates Ripley described. In the Special Edition we hear (head colonist) Simpson say: "Some honch back on Earth tells us to check out a grid reference, I dont ask why, coz it takes six weeks to get a reply around here, and the answer is always 'Dont ask'." The colony is wiped out shortly after, and Burke knows exactly what happened- they found the derelict just as he had hoped. He makes sure to get on board the ship so he can personally shepard events in his favour, but once on LV426, Ripley - being a smart cookie, looks up the colony's datafiles and discovers that Carter J Burke was the one who requested the colonists to go to the derelict, and she deduces his plan, and becomes a serious threat to Burke, who makes his move shortly after, exposing her and Newt to facehuggers so he can smuggle them home in cryostasis, and silence her in one move. You know the rest.

Impulset0 -- Same reason nobodys been back to the moon for 40 years. Not worth the expense. *They recieved a transmission from Dallas saying they got a distress call.* -Okay, check it out. *They found a life form* . - while youre there, bring it back. a few space truckers arent important, so crew's expendable. *They never hear back from the Nostromo.* - oh well, so much for that. *The Company had its fingers in a lot of pies, so they quickly forget about this minor opportunity and concentrate on plundering the hundreds of other worlds colonised by humans.* Most of the Weyland Yutani employees aware of the event are likely dead after 57 years pass, old files lost. Nothing to do with bad writing.

yes it does and its one of the best books in the series!

Agree.

Spectans1 that was a great series and will follow that one more than this one

Is it canon? Keep and mind that franchises authorize fictional works all the time that are later rendered obsolete by later works. Both Star Trek and Star Wars are notorious for this. If its the only story that we have about the Fall of Hadleys Hope then I guess you could call it canon, that is until the movie or even a competing story is written.

listen to the audio play on audible, its superb

Yeah they could throw in a second companies attempt to get a specimen

No way, gimmie a Netflix series that covers 4-6 episodes..

Rather Seen That Than Aliens III.

I'm working on one right now! Stay tuned! :)

Alien Theory "some honch in a cushy office on earth sent us a grid reference ,we look we dont ask why because it takes 3 weeks to get an answer round here and the answer is always dont ask" from that line in the extended cut it blantenly telling your Burke sent the transmission

Yeah but the question is "Was Burke acting on orders?" or was he purely an opportunist operating on greed? Personally I've always thought it was personal greed, but with later films, Weyland seems a little more hands-on than he did when Aliens came out. Then it was just the Company, and so Burke was just looking for that once-in-a-lifetime golden egg (he talks about wanting the 'exclusive rights' to the organism when confronted by Ripley). But with Prometheus... Idk. Looks like they could write it any way they want to. But for me, it'll always be Burke acting alone.

Charlie Peake Not really. You wouldn't assume it was Burke you'd just think it was a scene explaining why they're going to the ship.

Brace Land go watch the directors cut theirs is a sentence teeming you someone from earth sent them to that ship Ripley checks the company log transmission sent by Burke. Carter.J ! so it was Burke !

I always thought they played fast & loose with the number of aliens in the movie. Also thought the chest burster the marines see when they enter the hive was unrealistic unless that woman had been in hiding too & was just found right before the marines arrived.

She was a girl boss who was actually stronger than any male in the colony.

That door would prob not hold for too long anyway - was it a bad idea ? yes - but it was a stupid human thing to do - compasion can be a btch sometimes. Mostl liekely the Xenos would breach the baricades sooner or later anyway. The colonist were just doomed - it was merely a matter of (short) time anyway...

Would have bought them a few extra minutes, maybe hours.

I think the threat of the XENOMORPHS is very much a "20th century" threat. By that, I mean that with 21st century and beyond tech any group of humans should be able to contain and neutralize the infestation. The Earth War series was essentially only possible if you remove a ton of technological advancement between now and the 22nd century. Sensors, CCTV, satellites, drones, robots, mechs, androids, enhanced humans, all of this stuff would be orders of magnitude more advanced than shown in the films. The films are products of their times though, and they're great (especially the first 2).

Andrew Watt the artwork in isn’t great in any of these. It’s too bright and has too much light. It’s not dark enough. The light kills the terror and mystery.

There is apparently a word for that movie, an interquel, but it doesn't quite roll off the tongue, eh? It would be an interesting movie premise, though, and I never realized all these stories existed until finding this channel mentioning comics, etc.

MaverickDoesEveryhing they took out the dog alien hybrid birth, or hatching scene. I think that scene was much more powerful changing it to a dead ox made that scene less impactful. The dogs suffering is way more depressive and darker than the dead ox. There is some scenes that flesh out the story better, but changing that scene was not good for me. I wish i could see an edited version. I do like the animatronic animation of the baby alien in the ox scene.

Do know how this comic have title?

I Heard as Smart as a Wolf Pack.

In my personal head-canon, due to the time scale and how it'd be weird for the Queen to lay eggs, then detach itself to catch people, then reattach itself to the sack; I think it'd be way cooler if the first one was a regular Alien and then the first couple of colonists captured were turned into eggs like in the deleted scene of Alien 1979. If they made a rogue one style prequel of this story, that'd be a cool way to put that in Canon again.

That proper bugs me too. Runs a KZfaq channel specialising in the Alien films, can't pronounce Hadley's.

I agree with you. I cringed when he pronounced it that way

My last name is Hadley, tell me about it!

Plausible deniability if he gets found out (which he ultimately was).

who cares

The English language deserves to be spoken correctly otherwise we are on the slippery slope to savagery, you wouldn't understand.

Veldtian1 you are correct.

Haud yer wheesht

They remind me of OCP from Robocop in some ways. Notice how it is a combination of European and Japanese, a powerhouse of both cultures to explore. Yet somewhere along the way it all gets corrupted.

I’m guessing they rank right up there with Vaultec as one of the most corrupt, narrow-minded companies in sci-fi.