Even the great Snnuy is not that shiny after these news... We truly live in a dark times now

Foe me LOR was the first CCG I was heavily invested in,.I still remember the first day I booted it up, It was a magical journey to build all the fun decks around my beloved Undying and try to make it work. I was not delusional, I knew that the LOR as I have played it is basically in deathbed. But.... it still hurts.

Silco may not be a character that fits the Summoner's Rift, but Legends of Runeterra? As a final boss of an Arcane themed Path of Champions? Unfortunately he won't be around much in season 2

Reading between the lines a little bit - there's a huge technical challenge with LoR that's hard to even encapsulate. It was their first cross-platform game, their first mobile game, and the only League IP game they've ever made that doesn't utilize existing assets. It has a bespoke client, a bespoke engine, a bespoke monetization policy, and it has and has had to enact all three of those challenges on three platforms - iOS, Android, and PC - which are wildly different in architecture, enforcement, and standardization. They were counting on their core business model working, and they tried to let it solidify for a long time. When it didn't, it created a crisis - do we revamp the core business model to work? If so, how much money will it cost to rewrite the game to work that way? How will we translate existing investments? How long will it take to implement? How much money will we lose while we rewrite it? How many ways can we explore wiring in new monetization options into its current context, and, how likely are they to succeed? It sucks, but it seems like the game they made - the client, the core interactions, everything - wasn't robust enough to handle incremental changes to its monetary policy, which is the entire reason Path of Champions exists. It's functionally a separate game, it even launches into something that feels like a different client. In this new space, they can iterate and explore and experiment without corrupting or modifying anything extant in the old space. I can think of 30 or 40 ways they can monetize existing stuff in LoR by reusing content PoC, and most of them aren't even predatory or shitty. Just a shame that there's no way forward for the core PvP game, which was such a blast to consume as a viewer. I mean, I spent hundreds of hours watching LoR creators, who are some of the best online people.

3:42 to put some numbers on "vast majority" There was a point in time where 80% of the players were playing PoC over every other gamemode in runterra combined

I have been saying for years that the Riot MMO should have the option to play Legends of Runeterra with NPCs and other characters, similar to how you can challenge NPCs to a game of Gwent in The Witcher 3. This would keep the game alive and fulfill their goal to connect their games imo

I will play this game even if I am the last player

If they really mean what they say then using LOR to continue building their world and characters is the right thing to do....LOR isn't going to make them a bunch of money but it's influence on the IP is huge and I hope they see that...I've never played LOR but I do love the lore ... Arcane brought me in... Ruined King showed me other places beyond Piltover n Zahun. Now I'm facing a wall because I've caught up on the lore and I truly hope Riot understands what a magical gift they made for us and how fragile it can be ...I'm walking proof that there market tactics work I just hope it all ain't to just be able to sell more Lux skins

Atrox is already in PoC, I assume he will be one of the 20 champions who will move from 3 to 6 stars

With all these constellation/more progress, I really just hope for a really replayable adventure, just a way of setting ur own difficulty like with hades, more randomized fights like the monthly challenge but not only being 1/2 fights where u can actually play for longer That's all i want to be able to play a lot again

I only play POC so this update actually sounds pretty good to me. Hopefully some substantial story content will follow.

Thanks Necrit, this video give me hopes for the future nonenthless!

6:40 I totally got caught off-guard with this good lord 😂

I didn't know LoR existed for the longest time because it was not well advertised outside its channel. I want to say I picked it up around Azir's reveal?

I'm not surprised. People love story games more than anything else and being able to customize your "Character" deck is just a massive plus

I think it makes sense to put LoR into the League client and kinda like an occasional side game you dip into once in a while, kinda like TFT or ARAM

They really did bad advertising in my country (Italy). For example the YT channel was no longer updated even if there were the full trailers with voice acting, sometimes released only on FB and not on YT and viceversa leaving a lot of wasted work until they stopped posting anywhere

I loved LoR so much, much more than League itself. Which is why it was really hard for me to quit, even with my limited budget I was so intent on supporting the game lest it died and bought everything I could. However, during the ruination event, the game did die, for me at least. I felt so punished for trying to complete the event, while also completing the same event for LoL and TFT, that I eventually just quit altogether. I'm just screaming into the void to get this off my chest. I'm ultimately glad the game isn't dead nor dying anytime soon. I do look forward to coming back one day because while, the PvE content wasn't as developed back then, it was still very enjoyable. Only time will tell.

I really hope that in the future when the MMO comes out, they start lor again in game but from version 1 and this time make it like a real like card game with limited number of cards and rarities , packs to open and stuff like that . Cards that drop from legendary monsters , etc... you should be able to buy the packs from ingame currency ... then I'm happy ... start from the first version of the game and slowly and steadily realise new cards.

I have hope for LoR 😊

I've always liked that Lor isn't like heartsone because in heartsone you have to pay to have any chance in PVP and PVE is also paid

I literally only play POC it’s what I’ve been looking for in a ccg. It is also a great way for them to maybe try expanding the story using the fights.

i think that the best thing they can do is mimic the success of commander for Magic. Singleton oriented around 1 specific champion that you can put into play at any point (unless other conditions restrict or enable it) with the tax for if it dies and returns to its "command zone" or whatever they would call it. The issue is that their game just DOES NOT have enough cards. they need lots and lots of stuff, but also a game mode to rationalize having that many cards and potentially cards that do essentially the same things. regardless, singleton is extremely fun because the diversity of your decks is crazy. with singleton though, maybe they declare one as the center piece for your deck, no copies of that champion in your deck whatsoever. Then the champions you can place are maybe a total of 4 UNIQUE champions (so 1 champion as the center piece with 0 duplicates as the commander and 3 or less unique ones, but those may have duplicates within which function normally in the LoR playstyle turning into spells if they are in hand and what not) Those champions would be the only cards allowed to be duplicates though and each other card would be restricted to 1 per and follow the regions set by the different champions you chose. So maybe you choose to do a targon 1 region deck with solari and lunari theme and you can only have targon cards. The issue then with thiss mode is that LoR needs to add a metric butt ton of cards to the game. from the perspective of riot though, it just doesnt seem reasonable. they also need casual game modes sorta lie TFT weith the augments and they can throughout the game choose maybe one or two augments like the ones in path. anyways, more gamemodes and deck types (runeterra decks were amazing) and just generally ways to get diverse aside from just regions and things in them

PoC is the most played because theres a daily quest for 5 wins (and might as well complete a 6-9 match run while you're at it) while PvP daily bonus is only for 3 wins

Honestly, you cant say they aren't trying. Props to Riot for not pulling the plug

If it wasn't for that video Bricky made a while ago praising LoR, I would have never considered trying it out. Ended up loving it and even reached top 100 on the ladder. On the other hand, TFT is right in my face every time I open LoL, so naturally it takes one losing streak to take a break and give TFT a shot. TLDR: Both are amazing games, however, only TFT reminds you that it exists.

I have to say that i play Runeterra everday in the morning while eating toast and coffee But the MEANING of MAYBE ppl playing only path of champions like me is because i only do 1 story to have enought XP for the 3 diamond cases rewards at the end of the week. 3 diamond cases = receving lots of cards and green stuff to make cards that i want. pvp will take more time.

Working in business field it just baffles me how they are not able to monetize this game.

The issue I have with LoR is the inability to play the characters I want. Stuck doing campaigns for champions I dont even like.

I genuinely appreciate that they're doing what they can to sustain the game without killing it outright.

I mean if the Emporium rotated more frequently and actually biased more towards things I wanted then it would be much better. I'm sick of seeing something I have no interest in buying be in there for almost a month or even a couple weeks

The thing I wish for the most in poc, is a reset to all rewards! Not a reset to the characters we’ve been building stronger, but I want all adventures to reset, so you can gain relics and chests for them again. It was awesome gaining rewards for those missions, but now, as someone who has all characters in 3 stars and most of them in max level, I’m missing the game incentive to keep playing! So that’s also why I’m suuuper excited for these poc changes!

I liked how the questions were almost as if pulled from Twitter. Kinda OTT but thats a good way of tackling the issues.

LoR is the WNBA of Riot.

They can totally have canon story. There is already a system where every champion can play all the default adventure. But then for some champion there is some extra adventure called campagne that comes with very minimalistic stories with comics and dialog. They could just improve on those. Give some to every champion and make it canon.

Legends of runeterra didn’t die, it was killed. They didn’t publicize the game, the things that you could buy were shit. I am happy that PoC is still on but if the game failed it was 100% their fault.

I hope the game doing well after this, i do play pve a lot but pvp is what keep the community alive, pve player keeps things for themself, incuding me, you don't see much topic about pve in the community. I tried to be optimistic but i don't see a community during the pvp hibernation time

You mentioned that "most companies would shut it down at this point." Riot has had a habit of tweaking EVERYTHING and seeing how much they can get away with. Passes slowly getting less and less rewards, events having more BE rewards than special resources. If Riot had shut down LoR at the same time as the rest of the drama, i think would too far and they knew that. They have such a tendency to say one thing and then change tune months/a few laters. Jayce's rework, Riot Forge getting the axe after just a few years, saying theyre taking twisted treeline away for rotating game modes that they just said THIS YEAR that we would actually have less downtime between each one. Ive played this game since season 3 and im not going anywhere, but as a long time fan boy i have to stay grounded and realize that Riot never changes.

I really want to be hopeful. I do love Path of Champions. But as a former Heroes of the Storm player… Anyway, I’ll keep playing both as long as I can.

It's nice to know they don't want to change LoR definition of CCG from Collectible Card Game to Credit Card Game, even though it's not as profitable as their other games, if at all

So the thing why so many players play pve is the fact that to get the most resources you are incentifized to win at least 3 games in pve and 3 games in pvp so the pvp players play both but there are also people that play only pve, I think that the amountnof people that play pve will drop once the competitive part of the game is removed there will be a drop in the pve community as well

Its sad to hear that LoR has been struggling so much. Honestly props to riot for keeping it alive, even if they have to let PvP die down. It is such a great game, but PvP was also struggling a lot in terms of being fun to play since Bandle

PVE Enjoyer here - I have been playing PoC since launch and its honestly super fun and a great way to enjoy LoR for me since I am a casual player.

I will miss this game. It was so much fun.

I started with hearthstone and 50% of my play time is pve and when Poc came out in LOR I played it a lot

Honestly, they've already got such a big grind set up in PoC, I don't think people would mind if they gave us options to pay our way through the grind. Some items are so grindy that you can only get one from a loot box that you can buy with in game currency that takes about a month to accumulate enough. Just give us more ways to buy these things. Hell, if stardust was a purchasable currency, LoR's income would skyrocket.

I don’t play legends of runaterra, but I am happy to hear that it will be supported, I love the lore, and legends of runaterra is the best for that

It's sad to see a generous game like LoR struggling this much. I know they don't want to put the classic CCG monetization system into the game but I think they should now. Nothing wrong with using gacha card packs and skins opening system if the game is still giving enough resources to enjoy the game. Look at Shadowverse monetization system for example

PoC is easily the most fun aspect of the game. I do recall LoR having something of a draft mode once and I preferred that over the construction formats simply because a good portion of the meta game. Back when I only played Magic, you could still make non-meta decks and see a fair amount of success, but in LoR, it always felt like you couldn't get away with that as well. And even with the diversity of champions in the game, I rarely saw that diversity reflected in ladder. In PoC, it's always partially a draft and deck construction is an active part of the strategy. The additional rules added to the matches on top of that, including champion unique ones, gives a variety to the gameplay that keeps things interesting. So while it is nice that PvE content will be getting the most focus going forward, cutting the team still feels like a bit much; like, maybe stop with the over the top animations, first?

I think this is the time when LOR needs the playerbase the most

Me, everytime I see something pop up about LoR: "Aw shit, here we go again"

Being a Pokemon unite player, I'm so grateful for the communication from developers in regards to LoR. Thank you developers.

Love to hear they are focusing on single player! ❤

I didn't know they had a PvE in the game, I played it when released and really enjoyed it but lost track of the game since I didn't have enough time. Now with this new shift to refocus it on PvE I'm actually looking forward to it :)

I saw this from a mile away, still rockin' my LoR beta icon. I was able to get so many free cards throughout just playing/completing quests, I'm surprised more people didn't play LoR because of how accessible some of the cards are. It was definitely fun while it lasted, looking forward to more PvE content!

I never bought battle pass from games except this one. I bought two because i was heavily invested in the game.

The Last Stand of Legends of Runeterra sounds like a Song from Sabaton.

I hope someday LoL will have a mod creation options for community modes. I don't like DotA that much but I really like creative modes that appear there from time to time. Because I have a bunch of fun Ideas for PvE that Riot themselves would almost never implement: - LoL TD game with champions as "turrets" - Ability Draft - where everyone picks 1-3 champions and then everyone drafts themselves a passive, Q, W, E and R from a set of 3 random champions of selected pool. - Ultimate theft - Everyone's champion has Sylas ult as a replacement of their own but it steals original ult of enemy champion. Also I'm sure modders will find a way to bring back old PvE modes like Starguardian event or Odyssey. And maybe create a few new Doom Bots...

if legends of runeterra makes a gamemode similar to nuzlocking from pokemon but with the cards..... im totally gonna play that a lot.

I just wanted a decent draft mode, I guess it will never happen and I'm forced back into HS arena, fuck me. Game was indeed under-monetized but man the constant going back and forth without really going all-in was their downfall: PVP then PVE then PVP then PVE feels like a very confused upper management.

I must admit it that i spend a lot of time on path of champion, like a lot. And play ranked just for two or three game per season. And doesn't even play ranked this season. It just sad to hear this news... Man, i hope its not gonna be worse for now on

interesting that they been working on it before hearthstone, i applied and asked about any card games in the work for riot in 2017 and was rejected mainly because there wasnt a card game project for me to be signed up

As an OCE player, I had no idea that button was only in our clients and not anyone elses. It makes so much more sense now, it felt like everyone was ignoring that they added the button to the league client months ago.

This is what makes the layoffs so painful, because Riot does try and care about their products. Yet the firings were such a disaster.

Im just thankful for LoR giving Evelynn, Lissandra and the coven skinline some love, they never appear anywhere so it was good to see them

I hate being too poor to support this amazing game.

5:57 keep on Necrit, I too want to see that return. Maybe they will get the message one day. I get it too, with the champs changing they didnt want to keep things like that as it would not be the same supposedly, but I mean come on. Copy, Paste character, change the name for that mode only, you have a state of the character for just that mode, problem solved right? That game mode was so good, so was the Star Guardian one, but this one had earnable skills and stuff to customize the champs for the mode, so much replayability, so fun, loved it.

the constellation system is completely identical to the artifact weapons we got in the legion expansion in WoW

I really hope that the change is real and they focus on turning Lore into a roguelike deck builder, not a casual PoC. I think that only in that way may Lore have a future of surviving.

what did they mean by they'll never run out of money if they keep having to make so many tough financial decisions

They made LoR because they loved deck building, and now they will support only the mode without deck building, wtf

It's honestly impressive that Riot has been running a money sink for this long and is _still_ trying to avoid destroying the player experience for profits.

There used to be a league mode where your team battled super buffed bots

dinner time with necrit

C6 Aurelion Sol will have an order

Wow, who would have though 12 years of bad business spending would bite them in the ass

I didn't even know they are a PVE in LoR, so I understand the "Why no add"

Yeah sorry but without pvp Lor is not the same Edit: I know it will still be there but without new cards it will slowly die out and I also play and enjoy path of champions but for me it is something I play every once in a while, as someone who played since launch it is just sad that not every champion made it too the game

Honestly... I always think about how awesome it is that there is a league of legends card game... I primarily play League soloq and TFT but I always imagine enjoying LoR... recently there has been much talk about the future of LoR and this has me worried... So today will be my first day playing and getting into, I want to see this succeed and its so sad to hear it hasn't been doing well. If you love the league universe we have to support it, I want to continue to see these games and these worlds grow. I love it much like the children of the 90's loved Disney and Pixar. Thank you Riot for not giving up on your other games!!!

As CS we were allowed to playtest this way back in 2019 to anticipate future player concerns when it launched. Its sad to see it in this state. This was our baby.

As someone who played at the release and then stopped, coming back i only played PoC so i could farm without the pain of getting destroyed by better decks

Omega strikers now this. Ffffck

got over 200 stars in LoR path, the grind looks like hell.

I was really angry because Steve Rubin lay off. but after watching your video. I think I can accept a little more.

8:40 what do they mean by this? Aatrox is already a champ in PoC. Do they mean that he'll be an end boss?

I always figured Lor would become a gacha or get gacha elements. I was floored i realized the views on genshin characters videos.

While I'm sad that PvP is going away I love PoC and the PvE content has been amazingly fun and I am happy the game isn't going away

I just really want a multiplayer element to PoC, whether it be co-op or PvP

You cant tell me selling 2 PNG's for $10 was a smart buisness move

About the 2011 development thing and hearthstone and you mentioning they "missed the train" on that one, they actually partnered up with cygames before or at least attempted to. The R and D for that failed collab lead to Shadowverse. That being said, please take this with a grain of salt as I've only heard this from an AMA session with one the "real" rioters (we were outsourced rioters)

The big issue is that the progress is too fast that future thoughts were hard to brainstorm. 1. They should start with versus event at the beginning since LOR is a versus card game and every season should start with versus event giving better perks on winning side and good perks on loosing side.(of course you pay for the versus event... Good monetization) 2. Demacia versus noxus is a great beginning fight with garen, quinn, orig champ for demacia and darius, kat, orig champ for noxus. 3. Quarterly champion with random cards release. 4. Anual champion with supporting cards release. 5. Yearly region release with champions versus event including orig champs. And then after (1)freijlord (2)piltover-zaun (3)shurima (4)bildgewater (5)ionia (6)shadow isle (7)ixtal (8)targon (9)icathia... After a decade of introducing new regional expansion and development they should start making new game modes. In such way LOR will be always exciting and fun to play and never boring cuz every season there's something new for decade to come.

i´m glad about the news, the pve was always fun even back in the heartstone days :) hope there will be some co-op in it and stuff :) right now idk why i should keep leveling champs since you get op real quick

The LoR animations were actually pretty awesome

That was something I never understood- when they said they were adding new champions to the Path roster like Norra and- wait a second- Aatrox is already on the Path roster. So who the hell did they mean by Aatrox?!

I HAVE A DECK CEMETERY Seems like a lot of PoC fans hated the meta. I guess that’s fair, but personally, I didn’t mind. I never got beyond gold though until they changed the points system. And I never tried to go beyond platinum. I just enjoyed my own decks. Now my best deck is Ahri Yuumi. It may not be original to others but what I own is my homebrew and I have so much fun with it. Yet every expansion, after I finish the event rewards, I start mass killing decks. I have an iCloud notes where I put the code and that’s their final resting place (unless…) It hurts so bad that I’m not gonna meet more interesting decks or deckbuilders. When a deck pops off against me, I’m thrilled for my opponent. Can’t say that about PVE.

Honestly, i'm kinda interested, because i am guilty of this, i farmed PoC 80% more for Exp However i hope if they do shift to PoC they add in a deck building feature to PoC. So that you're collection does something... Like you can add in up to X cards to your deck if you own them in PvP

its never been so over...

As a person who's had all cards from day 1 I'm fine with the changes & monetization so long as I can still get new future cards using shards.

Thing is, since Path of Champions released I almost played LoR everyday buying the Season Passes and even buying Skins for my fav. Champs just for aesthetic reasons. But then they fired a bunch of guys and said they would only focus on PvP going onward. I felt so scammed by that. I genuinely wanted to support them, cuz I really liked Path of Champions and was looking forward to whats to come. But after that, I never bought a season pass or skin again, cuz they themselves said, that the money wouldnt be used to improve Path of Champions. Im not sure if its too late for me to return to it tho...

Used to play this game so much back then, and then I immediately dropped the game after I finally managed to hit Masters rank. The meta was too much to keep track of, it felt terrible playing your own cooked decks and get bodied by OP meta decks. Will give the game another try once the shift to PVE comes in since I never really played with that mode that much.