The legend of the 'Dalek Prime'

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Dalek Bumps

Dalek Bumps

Күн бұрын

Dalek lore is a funny thing. With nearly 60 years worth of TV stories, comics, audio dramas, novels, annuals and umpteen other forms of expanded media, there is a lot of Dalek lore that has now become myth, like the legendary 'Dalek Prime' - allegedly the first Dalek, who went on to become the Dalek Emperor. But is there more truth to this legend than most fans realise?
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@alistairrae9807
@alistairrae9807 Жыл бұрын
I do believe that there has been several Emperors over Dalek History but I personally like the idea that the Dalek who shoot Davros who would rise through the ranks to become the Emperor in Evil like we see in Big Finish story Across the Darkened City to then return to lead the Daleks in the Time War I like that because it mirrors Rassilon returning to lead the Time Lords but that’s just my opinion that they are the same
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Жыл бұрын
Where is that BF story from?
@slateoffate9812
@slateoffate9812 6 ай бұрын
True, but I think the different Emperors also work to parallel Rassilon's regenerations.
@darkarpatron
@darkarpatron Жыл бұрын
I like that "pathweb" idea, having the same memories and personality across many physical forms. Thematically at least, it allows the Dalek Emperor to do something similar to a Timelord's regeneration cycle. Fitting as their greatest enemy is the Doctor, a Timelord. I dunno, that just sounds like something the Leader of the Daleks would do to spite the Doctor. "Anything _you_ can do, I can do _better."_
@minicle426
@minicle426 Жыл бұрын
"Arise, Dalek Prime..."
@HiveFleetOni
@HiveFleetOni Жыл бұрын
Oh that mantle idea is so cool, when an Emperor assumes it's position and place in the pathweb it slowly changes the Dalek through exposure to all other Daleks, their history, knowledge etc. Each Emperor is surrounded by absolutely everything "Dalek" and over time it becomes an embodiment of all things Dalek, the most Dalek-y of them all. That puts a fascinating spin on the "god" concept too; it's personality is literally the sum of all Daleks, and it's physical form is just a vessel for the Dalek concept. That neeeeeds to be explored further!!
@chemi169
@chemi169 Жыл бұрын
The daleks have been without a truly formidable and distinct leader for a long time, would really love to see a new emperor rise to power in the next season. Could even finally give the Eternal Dalek some relevance, having it lead the transition of the collapsing Paradigm into the next Dalek Empire and appoint themselves as its emperor.
@minicle426
@minicle426 Жыл бұрын
I have come up with several novel ideas for Dalek leaders over the years that have potential. My most favourite being one moddled on Freud's concept of the Id/Ego/Super Ego. I posted this somewhere a while back, but the basic gist is that it's an experimental Super Dalek housing three enhanced mutants who operate as a kind of linked triumvirate. Each one representing a distinct facet of Dalek mentality. One highly aggressive and strategic, their militarism. One calm and charismatic, their deceptive nature. One cold and analytical, their lack of humanity. So if anyone from the Dr Who production team (or are planning on joining it in the distant future) reads this, you are welcome to use Dalek Kerberos. :P
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Жыл бұрын
I like this idea
@theentity5201
@theentity5201 Жыл бұрын
cyberman at 0:15 was overly emotional there, a bit on the blink oods just staying out of it
@adamlis9321
@adamlis9321 Жыл бұрын
I like to think that the Dalek Prime was one of the very first, and held a rank very simular to a Dalek Supreme. Maybe that might be a good NuWho / Big Finish storyline, where the Doctor encounters the daleks prior to the first Dalek Invasion of Earth but far after Genesis.
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 Жыл бұрын
Or better yet, have a Multi-Doctor story but with the Dalek Prime/Dalek Emperors if they’re going to make them iterations of the same being.
@Wanten-the-stormtrooper
@Wanten-the-stormtrooper 11 ай бұрын
I personally support the idea of Dalek Prime having not only been a real Dalek, but having been the Emperor for much of Dalek history - I don't believe Prime to have been the _only_ Dalek to have ever held the rank, but I believe it makes a lot of sense for him to have been the leader as it adds some continuity between stories; we see his early days and penchant for leadership in Genesis, his influence as expressed through the many early Dalek plots in the 60s stories (and possibly later), his ascended role as Emperor in Evil and ultimately his "final end" in the Parting of the Ways. The Big Finish stories do a lot to help in this regard, with "the Lights of Skaro" implying that the Emperor from Evil has lived for 100,000 years by the time of the latter story and with "Restoration of the Daleks" having the original Emperor (i.e. Prime) being resurrected in the Time War and becoming the god-emperor.
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack Жыл бұрын
The Dalek Prime being a frightening legend makes sense.
@beardieblighter9905
@beardieblighter9905 Жыл бұрын
I always found the concept of the dalek prime really confusing, despite really liking it the idea, thanks for clearing stuff up, your thoughts on this idea have been really interesting
@Gojirawars03
@Gojirawars03 Жыл бұрын
This is unrelated, but I recently watched your video about Jubilee recently and it led to me giving the full story a listen. It’s fantastic! So glad I could give it a listen. The similarities to RTD’s “Dalek” are uncanny, and yet the story is also equally unique and compelling. It’s even got some Moffat-esque wibbly wobbly aspects to it. I would love to see more Dalek stories, live action or otherwise, in the vain of Jubilee. One of the best DW stories I’ve encountered in a long time! I’m going to start going down the rabbit hole of more Audios, so wish me luck!
@minicle426
@minicle426 Жыл бұрын
It's an okay story. But if I'm honest I do find it a rather overhyped one. My main issue concerning how it beats you over the head with the message it's trying to convey. Even having the Doctor spell it out for you at the very end.
@DalekPrimeProductions
@DalekPrimeProductions Жыл бұрын
Me!! I named my channel after the Dalek prime as I found it really interesting. I read the EDA book War of the daleks where the Dalek prime’s description is very similar to the gold comic book emperor with the big head! This is also the book that says he was the Dalek who killed davros. The Dalek prime is name dropped in every John peel Dalek book I’ve read, he definitely liked the Dalek prime.
@samcovington8713
@samcovington8713 Жыл бұрын
Lovely to have you back! ❤️
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Sorry my uploads have been a bit sporadic of late, I'm not yet ready to resume the daily uploads but I'm trying to make at least one video per week until I can devote more free time to the channel
@Mr_Nerdguy
@Mr_Nerdguy Жыл бұрын
Absolutely been loving all the Dalek content after I found you the other week been watching and building Lego Daleks at the same time and am currently working on a stop motion film with Daleks cannot wait to see the next one
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy my content, are you using regular Lego and building Daleks of your own design, or are you using the character bricks Daleks? I should do a video on those sets one day, they were actually quite good
@Mr_Nerdguy
@Mr_Nerdguy Жыл бұрын
@@dalekbumpsKind of a mixture of both actually because I have designs from the Doctor Who set and the Doctor Who Lego dimensions design with 3 Dalek Emperors of my design and a few special weapons Daleks. (P.s. the film I'm working on is a combination of Daleks and Dead Space which I've built a few necromorph Daleks and the Marker)
@Silverwind87
@Silverwind87 Ай бұрын
Maybe Daleks evolved to retain the memories of previous Daleks, which would explain how Dalek Prime's consciousness survived this long.
@nickthepick8043
@nickthepick8043 Жыл бұрын
If anyone's listened to Dalek Empire, you know that the subconscious form or some essence of the Dalek emperor CAN be transferred. And not just into other Daleks...
@ZigZag-mw9ir
@ZigZag-mw9ir Жыл бұрын
There is also a War Doctor story with a Dalek Prime in only the Monstrous
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
That's a 'Prime Dalek' (which is apparently a rank of Dalek Leader from the Time War, though it's only ever been used in that one story), not the Dalek Prime
@MrHighlifewest
@MrHighlifewest Жыл бұрын
Ooooo yeeees I'd love to see the emperor return
@DanDanDaaaan1
@DanDanDaaaan1 Жыл бұрын
I do really like the idea that the Dalek prime killed Davros and then is the constant Emperor through Evil of the Daleks up to The Parting of the Ways. With the common Dalek idea that one somehow always survives I like to think it's often the Emperor
@timecontroller8800
@timecontroller8800 11 ай бұрын
For me the dalek prime is one of my favourite daleks mainly because he was the first emperor and was characterised as being almost reasonable and calm in some media which I like because it shows how manipulative and clever he is. While I think he survived evil of the daleks and ruled over the first and second dalek empires I do think he died in emperor of the daleks as there’s no way he could of survived and I think it’s unlikely he is the god emperor because of how different they are. But I do like the theory that the his mind transfers into another body if he dies as that’s how I think he survives evil of the daleks and I like to think that the dalek that wakes up at the end is the emperor yet he still died in that comic because at the time the command network was in chaos and probably was shut down so he would of died in that comic
@Jedi_Spartan
@Jedi_Spartan Жыл бұрын
Have you thought about making a video about the Dalek Empire series from Big Finish (which includes one of Tennant's MANY pre 10 Doctor Who roles).
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
I do plan to cover the Dalek Empire series eventually, but I'll have to relisten to the entire saga as it's been years since I last heard it
@britanimations2002
@britanimations2002 Жыл бұрын
Is now a bad time to mention the Dalek Prime appeared in Big Finish's The Four Doctors?
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
as I understand it that particular Dalek is implied to be a regular ranking Dalek that just happens to use the same name, I don't think it's intended to be the original Dalek Prime (there are a few other examples of 'Prime' being used for generic Dalek Supremes, like in The Thousand Worlds from Only the Monstrous)
@slateoffate9812
@slateoffate9812 6 ай бұрын
I think the Dalek Prime Strategist is the Dalek Prime.
@rondemkiw4492
@rondemkiw4492 Жыл бұрын
Dalek civilisation is a lot like Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD, each Dalek is genetically engineered to purpose, and the Emperor is made to purpose like every other one and there is no relationship to previously existing Emperors, at least, that's what I think.
@rhysduross
@rhysduross Жыл бұрын
I personally like to think that the prime is the same dalek as the evil emperor and the time war emperor. To me, the reason why this is the case is because the emperor has been waiting to return during classic who and thats why he was absent in 5th 6th and 7th doctor stories. If you treat them as the same individual, it makes sense to me because it waited so long during parting of the ways to make its invasion. I do like the idea that could also be a personality that passes dalek to dalek, I just dont really like the idea of the emperor being a different dalek each time because it makes the rank less powerful because its been defeated fatally multiple times.
@plantainsame2049
@plantainsame2049 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea that he was resurrected It's also the reason that if I Ever gets sent back in time, I'm going Have classic U end with 8 dying permanently for a while before being resurrected in a time War movie as the war doctor I think it's just poetic the It's time we're digging up the dead to be it's champions Rassalon for the time lords Dalek prime for well the daleks And the rest get the war criminal formerly known as the doctor
@AlongPreservedLines
@AlongPreservedLines Жыл бұрын
Bit of a headcanon moment here, but had a thought of what if the Eternal Dalek was the Dalek Prime, in the sense the 'Eternal' part of its name shows that it's the oldest dalek in existence, or the first, though the idea of the dalek that killed davros becoming emperor makes sense
@ItsButterBean1020
@ItsButterBean1020 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the Eternal being tied to the Prime
@TheOvervoid
@TheOvervoid 5 ай бұрын
They should bring Dalek Prime into the show proper. After Flux, I can see him return, using his 100% pure Dalek DNA to regrow the Dalek empire.
@redjirachi1
@redjirachi1 Жыл бұрын
The idea of the Dalek Prime being this symbolic figure/title instead of an individual is interesting to me because it would be one of the very few things the Daleks would have culturally. Like how even after all this time fledgling remains of human concepts like cultural figures still remain
@ReuHR
@ReuHR Жыл бұрын
Since you have done the Dalek prime since I have read the comics any explanation on Zeg being the same Dalek as the red leader as the context in the strip that introduces the red leader the Daleks say "he should be exterminated he is a traitor" i think i cannot remember i need to re-read the book
@unlimitedgamerworks6125
@unlimitedgamerworks6125 Жыл бұрын
What about if the Dalek Prime was the First Dalek Emperor slain by the Second Doctor, and was then resurrected in the Time War by the Time Strategist. Between that period other Dalek Emperors could have been elected by the Supreme Council. Otherwise prehaps you're theory of it being like a Super Ego imposed over the Dalek Leader, could work given the Neural Pathway though I am unfamiliar with this aspect of Dalek lore.
@JakeandElwood1980
@JakeandElwood1980 Жыл бұрын
What about the hood lead of daleks
@D50Music
@D50Music Жыл бұрын
I feel like they would be more dangerous without the leader classes
@pikachucetthesecond4296
@pikachucetthesecond4296 Жыл бұрын
I like to think that the Emperor Dalek is Dalek Prime and was in both The Evil of the Daleks and The Parting of the Ways, but I also really like the idea of it being Dalek Propaganda
@dalekexterminae
@dalekexterminae Жыл бұрын
Also didn’t the audio drama “return to skaro”made the 1st Dalek the supreme
@dalekbumps
@dalekbumps Жыл бұрын
That's true, it's an example of how not all Dalek stories conform to the same history, there are lots of conflicting stories, which just adds to the mystery surrounding this particular rank
@appledrawss1353
@appledrawss1353 6 ай бұрын
could you please please please make a video on the dalek hierarchy?
@borusa32
@borusa32 Жыл бұрын
Isn't Invasion of the Daleks the comic story in the Dalek Book 1964 while the TV 21 strip was just called The Daleks?
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