"I know you must be a fraud, Magnus doesn't hit that hard." Magnus: "I punched out *one of his hearts!* Why does nobody remember that?"

Lion's character growth in this was phenomenal. One of my favorite lines was when Zabriel returned with the first group of fallen and the mortal told Lion that his attendant had returned and he replied with, "He is not my attendant, he is my son."

A part i would LOVE to point out is when the Lion accidentally teleported for the first time and came into contact with the Imperium. The whole process of them realizing it’s the real Lion and Lion begrudgingly letting the psyker into his mind was a great moment. And afterwards, one of the funniest moments happened. The Imperium gave the Lion the biggest penthouse suite they had, he looks at the king size bed and he just goes: „i can’t sleep on that, i would break the bed“ and so he and Zabriel just ended up sleeping on the floor

My favorite part is how the Lion spends all book thinking "dang I hated all my brothers but now that they're all gone that kinda sucks". And then the last lines are basically "Oh wow Roboute is alive! ...oh no, Roboute is alive."

Fun fact The old man in the boat is not just an allegory for the emperor but is also based on the Arthurian legend of the fisher king. In the legend the fisher king is the last in a line of English kings tasked with defending the holy grail. And since he's too wounded to do anything but fish he waits for someone to help him, in the story that person is Perceval. There are a lot of versions and one even has him attempting to ask a correct question that would heal him, which Perceval fails. Very on Brand for empy and the lion.

The more mild mannered lion is great character development, but I love that they also kept in lines where he was pissed at people but kept it under control. The lion is still an ass, but we can actually see him restraining himself.

best comedic moment for me was in the void battle when the khorne guy blow up his allies ship and the admiral says to the lion ''how did you know he would do that?'' and the lion just mutters ''you clearly never met angron''

Throws gore covered helmet at mortals. "Clean that."

I love the little Arthurian references in this book. Immortal was just Slaneesh green knight

One of my favorite little things was when they found those Blood Angel successors amd were like "what did chaos do to transform them into mindless beasts" as neither Lion or Zabriel know about the Red Thirst Since its pretty clear that all chaos did to them was trigger and slightly amplify the Red Thirst

The fun thing about the whole old man Primarch stuff is that honestly theres a decent chance that he feels old because he thinks he should feel old

It's interesting to compare how Guilliman and the Lion deal with the current Imperium. Guilliman is reflecting on the external (mostly) in how the Imperium is rotten to the core, looking at the big picture of the Imperium as a whole. The Lion is conversely looking internally (again, mostly but not exclusively) at himself and how to deal with the problem at hand by narrowing his scope to the present. The difference between looking at a war and a single battle.

10:15 Its all Arthurian metaphor! The emperor is being described as the Fisher King. (The king charged with guarding the holy grail but is wounded and rendered impotent and his kingdom barren as he guards the grail, sound familiar?)

Lion: No longer Fallen. They are, my Risen. Asmodai: * whimper * 😩

The Rizzen and there primarch, The Rizzler.

Prediction: The Red Whisper IS Luthor, escaped from the Rock and trying to atone for his sins

The thing with the Red Wisper's helmet was not about what he was hiding, because the book makes as clear as it can without havin anyone say it. His trip through the warp left him whith some nasty mutations, and him being very loyal and dedicated is terribly ashamed of it and does not want any one to see. The important part here is how other characters react to it, seeing as everyone basicaly already nows: his brothers that know him are acomodating and accepting, finding ways to give him space, even though it can be hard during their time as fugitives, and because they can tell he is not ready to talk about it, they never bring it up, which shows that they really care for him. More importantly, the Lion, Captain genocide, 40k Doomguy, is tactfull once he gets a feeling of what is going on and looks past the isue entirely once he is sure of the Red Wisper's loyalty, even defending his choice not to take his helmet of later on, showing how much The Emperor's Exterminator has grown and how genuine his desire to reconcile with his sons is, which is quite sweet. TLDR: The important part about the Red Wisper not taking his helmet off is not what he is hiding, is that everyone nows that he has mutated and even the Lion is kind to him about it and cares about him enough not to force him to show something that is not his fault and that he is very ashamed of.

Emperor Norton for Detective Ridiculous. The TRUE Emperor of Mankind

Lion: "Of all my brothers, I hate Konrad Curze the most, but man, do I hate blue berry Guilliman after Curze."

I absolutely loved the arthurian references in the book. Markog as the green knight, lions group of fallen being the knights of the round table (heck most of them even share names with the knights), the emperor being the fisher king. Heck you could even consider lions memories of malcador being reminiscent of merlin.

For the next book club, Horus Rising would be a good idea. Learning more about Mr. Horus Heresy himself and where it (officially) began.

This novel is responsible for the Lion becoming my focus going forward with 40k and starting a DA army. I just loved this super relatable "new" Lion.

I really appreciate them showing examples of how Space Marines, and especially Primarchs, have EXCEPTIONAL memory. It's not all physical augmentations. The Lion remembers seemingly unimportant individuals from thousands of years ago he met only once and that's insane.

Good episode, I do wish you mentioned the growth The Lion went through upon remembering his life. Also, the end part with the Lion hearing that another Primarch lives. Would of been great to hear about your guys opinion on that.

So we know that the book might as bell be a part of the Arthurian canon for how much it rips off names and themes, but there's some that I need to point out because our AdRic boys didn't comment on it: Markog is the literal Green Knight (named Marchog) whom Gawain cuts the head off. Big E represented as a weakling in a fishing boat is just the Fisher King story of a crippled king who need a knight to go on a quest to give him his strength back (I recall an old theory that Big E is waiting for a Holy Grail-macguffin to come back, and that's why the Primarchs went away). The names of the Fallen are just the Knights of the Round Table, full reference (Launciel, Guain, Cai, Borz, etc).

Dante is a great book for the next book club. It tells more about the Modern day Blood Angels, the legacy of Sanguinus, and goes in depth in some of the trials that an initiate has to endure to become a Space Marine. It’s also a great character study on Dante, chapter master of the Blangels, and how/why of his Ultra Depression and the burden that the Red Thirst and Black Rage weigh upon the chapter

Shit now i noticed, Camelot and Avalon, cheeky author throwing more Arthurian legends

Something small that’s worth pointing out is that it’s unlikely that the lion aged due to the normal passage of time. Perturabo was walking through Hrud time fields that aged space marines to dust in seconds with only minor damage to his armour. It could just be a small continuity error but it’s very possible that the lion was wounded in the battle on caliban on a warp/spiritual level and that’s what caused him to age so much. They’re definitely leaning into the warp based nature of primarchs with the lion so I think it really is likely.

Small correction: _Fulgrim, the Palatine Phoenix_ does not have _the_ concert. It is actually about Fulgrim's solo crusade and the bet with his brothers that he could conquer a world with just seven Marines. It shows some of his best character traits as well as his flaws (placing the bet itself over the health of the world). Also, he panics for a moment, which I will not share, and is only saved because he hung out with Ferrus. I love it - he's my favorite Primarch, when, you know, not corrupted.

"HE DID WHAT WITH A WHAT?!?!? GUILIMAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!" - Lion finding out about Guiliman's new girlfriend, probably.

I recommend reading Lukas the Trickster. It is very entertaining to listen to, and provides a good insight into the life on Fenris, which is fitting with you guys currently going over Space Wolves as a topic, and the book rounds out with a high climax and a brilliant set of pay offs at the end. In addition, the book doesn’t cover a large scale war or battle for the fate of the planet, but instead focuses on the small scale efforts of a small crew of Space Wolves that might remind you of the Risen members in Son of the Forest.

He doesn't hate Gman. Every time he did get angry at him he regretted it. Even when he thought back about in the past he regretted it. He was also genuinely happy when he found out he was alive.

Honey it's 5am time for Book Club

Do Horus Rising, DK needs to know why he should be stanning for Garviel Loken and Torgaddon !

Eisenhorn Malleus! That way you can meet Harlon Nayl my beloved! Its also justa brilliant follow up that really kicks off the Inquisitior series properly

"Oh Slannesh and Tzeentch, give me the tongue" needs to be a teeshirt.

He forgot, "Roboute, I am not alone"

I vote Eisenhorn. If you go Horus Heresy, it's the start of a 50+ book series, and you'll never get anything else done. Meanwhile, Eisenhorn continues to tell more 'relatable' tales (40k so relatable is arguable), and is a massive fan favorite for a reason.

I choose Horus Rising because it’s a good book to just dive in unprepared and after you’ve done another Space Marine book, you can then truly choose what book next to pick

All the Arthurian references. The Fisher King, the Green Knight, and the beheading game. The Lion literally pulls his sword from a stone. Officially, Dark Angels are my favorite Astartes chapter now.

Bricky had mentioned before that the Lion was heavy on Arthurian legends, but neither of them recognized the Fisher King at the beginning of the story

Two good choices for the next book. Got to give it to Horus Rising. Introduces so many great characters, shows how Horus truly was as a Primarch before turning, just a really good read.

Wildcard: Do Wrath of Iron. Not a book about a particularly important part of 40k, but a good look at Iron Hands and potentially my favourite Imperium book for actually questioning whether humanity's survival is even worth all the agony the Imperium puts it through.

This is King Arthur and his knights with the one chaos marine getting his head cut off basically being the story of the green knight and sir gawain. The rest of the books and some of the characters are just straight up references to those tales.

Steel Tread and Outgunned would be great books. But Horus Rising has my vote cause Garviel Loken

The Lion has Rizzed the Fallen into becoming the Rizzed

I know I'm probably not alone but I got this book on Audible as soon as it came out, have listened to it at least a dozen times and have been waiting for it to be covered in Book Club

What was more shocking Bricky, Son of the Forest OR Holocure being great lol?

I absolutely adore this book, but I’m a little biased because The Lion is by far my favorite 40K character.

I hope one day, you guys will do "Know No Fear" since you guys already covered "The first heretic" and "Betrayer". It it just feels weird not covering the one book that is in between those two.

Doing the first book in the heresy series right as the last book of siege of terra comes out would be funny timing

If you want a standalone guard story that has some good romance, worldbuilding, and actually portrays Scions, I'd recommend Honourbound.

Old and Busted: Old Man Logan Old Hotness: Old Man Lion

I absolutely love this book throughout and loves near all of it But by far the bit thatvmade me laugh the best was when that guardsman calls the chaos space marine a shit head over the vox before fiering a groud to spave lazer battery at him

Im honestly surprised that it took bricky this long to notice "the RIZZEN"

The pace of this book is very much like “Wolfsbane” by Guy Hayley - they’re also so insanely linked together almost like the authors are collaborating together.

Not only do the Eisenhorn books get better as they progress, they tie in with the Ravenor series and later the Bequin series, 9 books in total thus far and absolute must reads!

Can’t wait for them to do Lords of Silence.

I heard clips of Lion's reaction to Gman being alive, thought he was just happy he wasn't alone, not that he still hates Gman 😅

Horus RISING

I really hope they do like either a Risen Kill Team with the Risen they have shown, including the Inner Circle Cataphractii Terminator they found, that guy was cool. Would be funny to do a Risen Kill Team vs Fallen Kill Team

Vaults of Terra: The Carrion Throne and/or Watchers of the Throne: The Emperor's Legion both by Chris Wraight

"They took all the bones from the people to make a moon and ... what were they going to do with it?" Lol. I feel like this is a Chaos plot playing out like normal!

Man you threw the Obliterators under the bus. The Obliterator Virus is the whole mechanical bodyhorror thing in 40k, and Iron Warriors in particular seem to catch it more often, but anyone can be touched by something possibly created in the Soul Forges at the microbial level in a similar way to Nurgle poxes including tiny daemons.

Definitely should be Horus rising for the next book, they need to cover if not one of the most important characters Garviel loken

A good non-space marine novel I would recommend is the Shira Calpurina series by Mathew Farrer. The first book is called Crossfire, following the titular character who is an Arbites transferred to a new world only to have an assasination attempt on her life before she even takes her office.

Aw yeah, Son of the Forest! One of my favourite W40K books, to my own surprise. Such a fun adventure romp, while doing a _ton_ to make me love the Lion.

the wounded fisher king came from Arthurian legend where he is also a protector and embodiment of his land. so representing both the emporium and the emperor. both wounded, both beset by many shadows and both not (yet) talking to the lion

imagine if the terminus decree says "once the lion and robute wake up, double the primaris production"

Because of this book, I'm running Risen in my DA army. Like, black painted armor and everything mixed in with my regular forest green ones.

Love the book club art! The teapot of Tanna is a nice touch

The whole thing with Markov or whatever his name is another reference to the king Arthur legends which this books is full of . Specifically the legend of sir Hawaii and the green kknight. Which features a seemingly immortal warrior who shows up at Camelot on Christmas and challenges Arthur's knights to strike a blow against him with the caveat that he will return in a Year and strike the knight who hits him in the same spot in return. Gawain chops his head off. And the story follows gawain dealing with the idea that the green knight will return and kill him the next year. The deposition of the emperors in the story is based in the fisher king story which is part of the story around the hole y trail quest by Arthur's knigbts. Several or the fallen who are redeemed including Bors and Kai share names with Arthur's ill nights as well

I have been into the 40k lore for years and only about a year ago started reading the books, this was the 4th book i read and i was loving every chapter

I’m glad I’m not the only one who can’t unhear rizzin

reading the other Horus Heresy books without reading Horus Rising is comedic XD

horus rising is the only one i've read and it made me start a buyingspree of books

Best intro in recent times. Short, sweet and entertaining.

I'd love to see you do a double book feature; 'A Thousand Sons' and 'Prospero Burns', the razing of Prospero told from the perspectives of each side.

I will say, in the beginning you said that anyone's gonna love their "return of the primarch" book, but as a world eaters fan, angron's recent "The Red Angel" book was not very good in my eyes.

One book I would like to mention that's semi lesser known but a really fun read and insight into chaos warbands (if but some), the Lords of Silence is a fun book following a death guard warband named the lords of silence. It was a fun and enjoyable read, nothing crazy but seeing the psychology of plague Marines was enjoyable

I nominate Lords of Silence for the next book read. We need proper love for Grandfather Nurgle and the death guard!

I *love* Mike Brooks's books. Great idea to have him write this book!

I really like that the newer 40k Books have more Humor and Satire again, because for me that was always the Spice that made Warhammer great with out it its just gray tasteless mush

A warhammer channel not knowing that a hellbrute is a dreadnought version of Chaos. Couldnt be me

There was a lot of on the nose Arthurian stuff, like the chaos guy who gets his head cut off being the Green Knight etc, but I really really liked this book. I'm very glad this got picked so that I had a reason to read it.

Probably one of my favorite 40k books since first reading a 40k novel by William king the old school blackmane series. As a wolves fan I can say the risen and lion have made me a DA fan almost on par with the wolves.

Mike Brooks needs to be given all the 40k books. This book and the Alpharious book are both my favourites in the setting

You guys should do The Carrion Throne a inquisitor story with huge lore implications.

This was my first 40K Book and learning with it was amazing it's my paper crack, I already own over 20 books now because of this book!

Not only that Cypher book (which you should really check out ... also very good, props to the trolling Shy) ... but, ya know, there was that whole Luther book, too.

I love the part where the Lion fondly remembers Warsmith Dantioch: “ ‘But then, what authority do I hold over you, Zabriel of Terra?’ the Lion asked, apparently speaking to himself as much as to me. ‘The galaxy we were created for is long gone, as are the order and structures into which we fitted. You are my son, and I am a son of the Emperor, but so was Perturabo, yet Barabas Dantioch betrayed him and ended up saving my life.’ I did not speak. I had no idea who Barabas Dantioch was, although this was a tale of which I was intrigued to hear more.”

If you want to read something xenos-focused, I really recommend the Farsight books :) There's "Farsight" (how he got his name), "Crisis of Faith" (start of his expedition) and "Empire of Lies" (creation of the Enclaves). I'd recommend all of them to see his journey, but the 2nd and 3rd have audio versions (they're also much more recent books). I really liked seeing a non-Imperial, non-Chaos perspective - and the T'au have such an alien view on the 40k world that it's quite refreshing. Plus Farsight is a badass and a very sympathetic character as you'll see! On the same lines, I've also enjoyed the even more recent "Shadowsun" which compliments Farsight's novels quite well in seeing things from her perspective - and she's very cool too!

for a future book club it'd be cool to bring in a Necromunda book to go over a part of 40k that was only slightly covered before.

For the next book do “The Carrion Throne” Erasmus Crowl is a cool inquisitor and you get the inquisition, custodes and and assassins. Leaving stuff out for spoilers too, mostly on Terra!

So I returned this book on Audible, tried to listen to this to get a brief summary, heard the words the book is really good. Purchased the book again and just finished it. Its an incredibly good book

This isn't super likely in my mind, but it would be really cool if Lion coming back and trying to be a better father to his sons was foreshadowing for The Emperor. It is stated that Lion and Big E have very similar personalities

Huron Blackheart Master of the Maelstrom, Huron is such a good chaos character and his book is great, i recommend doing a book club on that.

When you all said that this would be your next book i was so excited. This book is so good and it made me a Dark Angels Fan. It had so many good points in it. As for the next book. I say the second Eishorn Book.

I'd definitely try some of the Warhammer Horror books, like The Revere, The Oubliette, and the Deacon of Wounds. Or if you want to branch out, two of the best AOS novels are Godeater's Son and The Court of the Blind King.

The stuff with Markog getting his head cut off was a nod to the legend of the Green Knight, fitting imagery for the Dark Angels I would say.