The Making of Marienburg, writing the Old World

The Making of Marienburg, writing the Old World | GW Genealogy

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The most populous city in Warhammer’s Old World was the great port of Marienburg. An independent state that facilitated trade with the peoples of every civilised nation the city has been home to some great adventures and stories in the history of Warhammer.
This video charts the development history of the great city, from its first appearance in a single line of flavour text inspired by our real world to the ground breaking White Dwarf series to dedicated RPG sourcebooks, novels, and short stories.
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[Black Industries Marienburg Project] web.archive.org/web/2008021503...
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@rickpriestley4569 Жыл бұрын

Another great romp through the history of the creation of Old World - I didn't know there was so much! Always look forward to your Making of Warhammer series. Now, detail I know, it wasn't me who came up with the name. Marienburg in the Wasteland was the name for the role-play/skirmish setting that Richard Halliwell adopted following a trip out to Amsterdam in the late 70s with his then girlfriend Marrion. Marienburg is named after Marrion. When Hal started to write stuff for Warhammer he brought the setting with him. I don't recall there being much to it other than the broad theme and the fact it was surrounded by wastes of possibly post-nuclear devastation - during the process of building the Warhammer World Marienburg kinda came along.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

That’s amazing, thanks Rick. Incredible how those simple fun ideas and sweet gestures can grow into something so rich, detailed, and firmly established in the fullness of time!

@PutYourQuarterUpGaming Жыл бұрын

“I’m not a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit” *suspicion that Jordan IS a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit intensifies*

@rrwholloway Жыл бұрын

I suspected the presence of warpstone emanating from this excellent channel.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m not a bunch of rats! What more can I squeak!

@dekai7992 Жыл бұрын

You've highlighted what is my favourite thing about this Warhammer hobby of ours, too: That everything that has ever been written about or invented for the Old World or the 40k galaxy can be canon if it provides inspiration for your own model projects, rpg adventures, or stories. It makes all the stuff created over last 40 years a veritable treasure trove of ideas, visuals, and colour schemes you can lose yourself in.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, there’s so many wonderful ideas, stories, and images - it makes it such a joy to make the army or game from the things that inspire you most

@user-qh6fp3di6h Жыл бұрын

what a channel. Fewer than 10k subs is one of the great mysteries of our time

@nikoladedic6623 Жыл бұрын

Give it time.

@lilv3966 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Jordan isn’t just building a sub count. He’s building fans.

@graemedavis3903 Жыл бұрын

One significant early inspiration that you didn't mention was The City League from Imagine magazine, continued briefly in Paul Cockburn's GM Publications. Jim and Phil had contributed to it as TSR UK staff writers, and so had Tom Kirby. That's where the idea of creating a city one location at a time really came from.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Outstanding, thanks for sharing this Graeme! I wasn’t familiar with the City League, but taking a look now it seems like a fascinating work - I’ll definitely be giving it a deeper read. I’d love to hear about more of the inspirations and behind the scenes stories from the making of WFRP. Let me know if you’d ever be interested in a chat!

@Mr_Waffle. 10 ай бұрын

"I am NOT a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit" he squeaked nervously. Another great video about a topic I had no idea about!

@jordansorcery 10 ай бұрын

I'm not, honest!

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

I believe Marienburg doubles as a bit of pun, if you speak Dutch. Read in Dutch it would sound as Marineburg. Literally a walled town or fortress asociated with the sea. And Marienburg is basically the Old world equivalent of Holland. Hence some of the names in the city.

@minementalx Жыл бұрын

I think it's a mix of dutch and german. Some things are more dutch, but the history of the city reminds of cities like Hamburg a free Reichs-city. Hamburg "bought" his freedom with a fake trade treaty.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

That’s very fun, I wonder if that was intentional or a stroke of luck!

@matthewjongema1405 Жыл бұрын

Hup Holland Hup lol

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I'm erring towards intentional. There's a similar thing going on with Tzeentch. In Dutch you pronounce the "ee" as the "a" in gate. So a Dutch speaker would read the chaos god's name as: Tzantch, wich starts sounding an awful lot like change.

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@matthewjongema1405 Belgiëeeeeeeeeeeee! Ik kijk echt uit naar zijn stadsoverzicht van Marienburg.

@anotherzingbo Жыл бұрын

I was discovering WFRP just as White Dwarf started publishing those articles about Marienburg, so I've always had a soft spot for it . I have the two Hogshead books about it too, and I appreciated all the information about its early and subsequent development in this video, so thanks for it.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Those WD articles are still the gold standard for RPG location for me, incredible work

@MiniatureRealms Жыл бұрын

Loved this, made me want to reach for my copy of WFRP and those White Dwarfs. Couldn’t agree more with your closing comments as well.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Revisiting those WD issues for this and my GW Books history has reminded me just how incredible it was during this era. So much amazing content every issue!

@CMDRaudaxius Жыл бұрын

Video starts: "Hello." (Thunderour cheering and applause and the crowd goes wild 🎉😄😄😄🥳🥳)

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

You’ve got to play the classics!

@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын

I love seeing collaborative creations like this - they have that degree of verisimilitude that a single creator can’t really pull off. Great video.

@toi_techno Жыл бұрын

Apparently one if the wizards of Marienburg had a familiar called Verisimilitoad 🐸

@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын

That’s hilarious

@jonnypariah1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks to mods, I'm playing Marienburg in Total War and am planning a Marienburg army for WHTOW when it drops ...

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Love to it hear it!

@jonnypariah1 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I've just noticed on the Highlands Minis release for July that their great cannon has two prominent fish on the barrel (no seriously go look!) so that ties in nicely ...

@MrEthicsgradient Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed that! I remember those GW articles very fondly, and am one of the lucky souls to have a set of the Gargoyles (still waiting for paint over 30 years later)

@bobcat73 Жыл бұрын

When this book came out I worked at Viking hobby in Sacramento. One day a older couple come in, 50s maybe older. They ask if we have a Warhammer book called Marienburg. We had one copy which I had order for myself, WFRP was not a popular game but I loved it. So I tell them we have one copy. They excitedly explained they wanted to buy it as their son was the author. Needless to say they left holding the book their son wrote and got to hear me praise his work.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

That’s a very sweet story! Thanks for sharing it

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

"You gotta bear in mind, the pronounciation of some of these words will sound like nothing any human will have uttered before." Every Dutch and Belgian: Braces themselves.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I knew it wouldn’t go well!

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I could give you pointers how to pronounce the names, but hearing your pronounce Dood bridge as dude bridge is just to funny.

@JJtoutcourt 2 ай бұрын

I love Amsterdam, and soon after going for a trip to it, I learnt more on Marienburg and was so happy to see Amsterdam in Warhammer Fantasy, because it's what it is :D among my favorite cities of Warhammer, with Nuln and Karak Azgal.

@jlworrad Жыл бұрын

I’m loving this channel. Thanks!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

@nathanbuxton3271 Жыл бұрын

appreciate you may be a fan of this specific place, but i will watch, like/comment etc every other place that you do in this style.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

There’s a few more locations I’d like to give the same treatment at some point

@edwardblacklock2446 Жыл бұрын

Yet another fantastic video. Keep up the great work!

@joshuawamback3574 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jordan, these development histories are fascinating

@bloodbarage Жыл бұрын

AMAZING videos! Brings back such amazing memories!

@cfen0317 Жыл бұрын

Heldenhammer or The Empire (can't remember) details Sigmars seige of Marburg.

@dakkawaaagh13 Жыл бұрын

appreciate these videos so much on a friday

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m glad!

@misterjones7248 11 ай бұрын

I love this channel❤. Keep on with your excellent content

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

Thanks, I’ll do my best!

@toi_techno Жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@dddqqq4ed 11 ай бұрын

Great video! A shame you probably didn't know about Marienburg stuff released relatively lately in Sea of Claws supplement for WFRP 4e. Presence of Marienburg is not that big in the book, but I would have loved to hear about it still!

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

And I hear there’s now a dedicated Marienburg supplement planned for 4e! I need to get reading and playing asap!

@batjutsu Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this amazing deep dive of Marienburg; although, it should be no surprise considering you are powered by Skaven 😉 My first WFRP character was an Elf Seaman that came from it, but despite the city being mentioned regularly, sadly we never got to play in the city in any of our many games. Great to learn new things and I look forward to the travelogue 🤩 Then the under-travelogue, Squeak-Squeak 🐀🌠

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

An under-empire travelogue would be a sight to see!

@BehappyBhairava Жыл бұрын

My heart still lay in the wyrd and warped backways of Mordheim, but this was great! I'm starting an empire army here too and was almost convinced to start painting them up as Marienburgers watching this, right until you said you were aha.. and so my search for a theme goes on (it's a Blackpowder heavy army if anyone has ideas)

@dekai7992 Жыл бұрын

How about a Nuln army, from the city of cannons and, you know, black powder?

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Nuln is a great shout if you’re wanting a black powder focus - they have the most famous gunnery school in the Empire no less!

@oldchinahand1305 Жыл бұрын

Another excellent video - I’ve just gotten back into 40K - Blood Angels but watching your videos I’m thinking about getting into Warhammer Fantasy the Old World

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It feels like the imminent Old World release is actually bringing a bit of a resurgence for older editions too, which I am all for!

@ja37d-34 Жыл бұрын

Ah, the Swamp Germans in The Old World! Love that city´s description... I have the RPG book..

@nickgreetham4810 Жыл бұрын

As I recall from the early WD articles, the currency was Guilders. This is also the pre-euro Dutch currency, reinforcing the connection. Nice video. If you are getting comments from Rick Priestley and Graeme Davis you must reaching a good audience. 👍

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Very good point

@Jackalblade9 Жыл бұрын

I loved this video sir, fascinating and educational in equal measure. With nothing else useful to say, however, this comment is my offering to Malal's long lost step-brother's former roommate Algo'rithm. Also "Watch yer chips at Marienburg," sounds like good traveler's advice.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It’s always useful to praise that most fickle of the chaos gods!

@6Stevo Жыл бұрын

It has been an absolute joy to watch this channel grow. Your content continues to entertain and educate. Each video you produce is a joy to watch. 10k subs is about to hit. Very, VERY well deserved. 👏

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Cheers Stevo! Thanks for supporting the channel the whole way! Hoping that we hit 10k soon and then who knows what next!

@6Stevo Жыл бұрын

@jordansorcery it's been my pleasure mate! I would love to collaborate or work together in some way in the future. I am about to hit 5k myself! 🥰

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Great work, man! That’d be cool, hopefully there’ll be a good opportunity for us to work on something together!

@6Stevo Жыл бұрын

I'd genuinely love that! Failing that. It would certainly be cool to roll some dice with you at some point in the future. 🙂

@ineptwizzard Жыл бұрын

This channel and Gideon's Awesome Lies combined really gives a lot of history on my favourite setting. Love to see the old guys commenting here as well! Also: picture at 06:18 of a city street is almost identical to a picture in the new Middenheim book on page 16. Weird. Also: someone compiled the information from the Black Industries site into a PDF that is floating around. It's just about 200 pages of good stuff. It can be found if asking around.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

There is so much interesting stuff on Awesome Lies, it’s an incredible blog. Humbled to be counted alongside it!

@RauMins Жыл бұрын

I don't think I have seen your miniatures, would love a video of your collection one day ♥

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

There’s a lot of embarrassing grey plastic in it, but I’m hoping to show some pieces in an upcoming hobby room tour!

@ValentineCorp Жыл бұрын

When is the next Marienburg update? I can’t wait to see models!

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

Coming this Friday!

@KacpaYankowski Жыл бұрын

Great job!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@josephwiley5880 Жыл бұрын

Yet again a great video!

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@nickharling3902 Жыл бұрын

Jordan, do you have some enormous library with every single issue of White Dwarf or something? Absolutely brilliant video. The old woman with a crow @6:06 ! I was too young to understand the article, but that image stayed with me for a long time. Thanks for the walk down childhood-trauma lane 👍

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’ve been slowly rebuilding my White Dwarf collection, and going way further back too, and it is just a joy to read! One day I’ll hopefully have a big enough library room to fit them in!

@godofzombi Жыл бұрын

No don't protect your chips! If the gargoyles want your chips you just let them take them. And that goes double for normal seaguls.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

You’re quite right tbf, they deserve the odd pilfered chip!

@ChrisKCook Жыл бұрын

Marinburg was basically the GW huys going "What if Ankh-Morpork, but Dutch?"

@vincenzogatta8955 Жыл бұрын

There are two short stories set in Marienburg starring a halfling investigator. I read them 28 years ago in a series of warhammer story booklets that came out here in Italy (there were also the first stories by Felix and Gotrek)

@musashidanmcgrath Жыл бұрын

Sam Warble is his name.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

This is fantastic news! I’m going to be reading all the original GW Books for my brand new monthly book club and it looks like these stories are from that era. Can’t wait!

@musashidanmcgrath Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery The Genevieve series are some of the best, with spinoff shorts featuring Baron and Wolf Von Mecklenburg, Vukotich, and the Tzeentch celestial Dien Chien. Also, the Orfeo series and the Konrad series. The Zazant stories are a great read too.

@musashidanmcgrath Жыл бұрын

And I'm pretty sure that the Sam Warble stories are from the Red Thirst and Wolf Riders anthologies.

@vincenzogatta8955 Жыл бұрын

@@musashidanmcgrath I read some stories on Genevive also in that collection, and Vukotich to.

@angelicdespot2735 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Are you familiar with WFRP 3rd Edition? Seems not to have much love because of the format, but there were some good supplements and locations introduced. The Witch's Song was set in the Imperial village of Fauligmere on the edge of the Wasteland. There are some Marienburg references in the adventure.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

WFRP 3rd edition totally passed me by, with the exception of me gawping at that massive and impressive starter box! I’d love to check it out properly one day

@angelicdespot2735 Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery I do recommend checking it out. A lot of people were put off by the apparent 'gamification' (or perhaps 'boardgamification') and by the thinness of the sourcebooks, but actually there were a lot of good ideas in the game and a lot of the supplements and adventures were actually very interesting.

@noops9220 Жыл бұрын

Marienburg would have made a great expansion location for mordhiem

@Paul_Inman Жыл бұрын

I don't know whether you ever got hold of a Forgeworld Steam Tank, I know you said you were looking. But the offer is there, should you wish, for a 3D printed one - happy to print it for you - gratis, of course.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul, that’s very generous! I’ve been lucky enough to get my grubby mitts on a FW original, but I’ve yet to assemble it as it looks tricky!

@nikoladedic6623 Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile, Marienburg continues to appears in my rp. Now I am having a new PC join a mercenary group to join the war against Greenskins in Bretonnia.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m jealous!

@johntoland6696 Жыл бұрын

I see the Dying of the Light reused John Blanche's image of Khare.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Such a great piece, I love Blanche’s city scapes so I’m always happy to see them again!

@martynjones3978 5 ай бұрын

Did the person get the seagull line idea after visiting one of the UK’s beaches 😂😂😂😂

@boboayame2065 Жыл бұрын

Other 'lorehammer' channels; entirely ignored by Rick Priestley Jordan Sorcery; watched by Rick Priestley so he can learn more about Warhammer p.s. any chance of a Fimir video?

@jordansorcery 11 ай бұрын

I would love to do a Fimir video at some point!

@arfived4 Жыл бұрын

I bought (and still have) all of the original Marienburg WFRP articles from White Dwarf as a teenager, and bought the two Hogshead books a decade later. The Hogshead books are vastly inferior to the original work. Also, I'm pretty sure that it was always portrayed as "fantasy Netherlands"

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

You’re right, there’s definitely a lot of the Dutch vibe from the off. That said, the first WD article has a German name “Willkomm en Marienburg” so they were seemingly drawing on a few influences.

@dathill Жыл бұрын

Everyone tell their friends about this channel

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Will do!

@Le_Petomane Жыл бұрын

You are the don of cat love fun.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

It’s Martha’s show really

@patgray5402 Жыл бұрын

Such a delicious sounding city. An anarcho capitalist paradise.

@daemonside Жыл бұрын

Your dutch needs work. Good video haha

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I was afraid of that!

@wolvz7081 Жыл бұрын

As someone that didn’t really play Warhammer fantasy outside of computer games I’m really enjoying learning all this history of GW and OW lore. Because of this I’ve recently started reading Gotrek and Felix and was expecting them to have travelled there at sometime?

@michaelstockin1636 Жыл бұрын

I don't think they ever did. Great books though, where are you up to?

@Carcharoth0 Жыл бұрын

Only in Slayer of the Storm God, which was a short audio drama. They've been just about everywhere else mind you.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

I’m soon going to be reading the earliest GW Books (watch this space) so I’m looking forward to spending some time with Gotrek and Felix!

@wolvz7081 Жыл бұрын

@@michaelstockin1636 only just finished Skavenslayer. Which I’m sure your aware is only the second book. 😂

@michaelstockin1636 Жыл бұрын

@@wolvz7081 More good books still to come then yes yes.

@lucasalcover3738 Жыл бұрын

Subtitules in spanish please!!!

@richardmcdonald4741 Жыл бұрын

Comment no.92

@BanjoSick Жыл бұрын

«The pronunciation will sound like nothing that any human has uttered before» Come on,it’s just german, man.

@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын

Most of it is Dutch

@BanjoSick Жыл бұрын

@@jordansorcery True, you are right. The name Marienburg suggests german, but the creators didn't give much attention to consistent naming patterns. On the other hand, dutch is basically a northern german dialect. It's way closer to northern german than say, for example, bavarian or austian dialects. Then again, what's a language? A dialect with a government and an army.

@Telrunya598 11 ай бұрын

Marienburg chapel in the city of +2kyr old city of Nijmegen was named long before the first Kurfürst. Yes in our region Kleverland dialect is still spoken by dutch and germans.

@BanjoSick 11 ай бұрын

@@Telrunya598 1. That chapel was build in the 15th century. Marienburg, the famous castle of the knight teutonic was build in the 13th 2. Name recognition is way stronger with the famous castle in Poland. And yes, you could equally say german is a dialect of dutch, of course. Until the 30 year war the Netherlands were seen as a part of the HRE anyways, and the inhabitants as teutsch (dutch). So while the Netherlands are, of course, a free independent state (like Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Switzerland and Belgium), it's also part of the "west germanic sphere" as for it's history, language and ethnic make up as well as more specific the Benelux and more general the germanic lands (together with Scandinavia).