The Many Controversies of Palworld

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@thomaspunt2646
@thomaspunt2646 5 ай бұрын
Palword is less Pokemon with guns and more Ark: Survival Evolved with Pokemon in terms of gameplay and resource grinding.
@superitgel1
@superitgel1 5 ай бұрын
It felt like Monster Hunter where you can catch the monsters with poke balls.
@ZeroXSEED
@ZeroXSEED 5 ай бұрын
This
@akumuryuu
@akumuryuu 4 ай бұрын
Yeah. You can argue about creature designs and capture mechanics... but I recognize engrams when I see them.
@duanefouche378
@duanefouche378 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely this. So tired of people calling it Pokemon with guns. This isn't a turn based isometric RPG with a child protagonist trying to become the very best...
@monkey39128
@monkey39128 4 ай бұрын
Ahh Ark. The game I bought purely because it had a dinosaur on the cover. 😂
@ComboTrigger
@ComboTrigger 4 ай бұрын
Joey saying the Pal at 11:25 looks like Leafeon when it could also be argued that it looks like a Final Fantasy Carbuncle is another example for why it's so hard to argue that it's plagiarism.
@calvinwarlick8533
@calvinwarlick8533 4 ай бұрын
Thank God I'm not the only one who saw that. Thing has a similar palette, but doesn't actually resemble Leafeon.
@Zyart
@Zyart 4 ай бұрын
That gem in the forehead definitely screams Emerald Carbuncle. And as a former Summoner Main, that makes me happy, more than it makes me offended about "plagiarism".
@trevorweisberg8470
@trevorweisberg8470 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, the more I play it the less I’m seeing pals as Pokémon knockoffs for some of them. Example, Anubis doesn’t look that much like lucario to me once I see him in action. He’s basically just a 1:1 to the Egyptian god if anything.
@YamatoTre
@YamatoTre 4 ай бұрын
That's a Leafeon if I've ever seen one, man.
@calvinwarlick8533
@calvinwarlick8533 4 ай бұрын
@@YamatoTre So, you've never seen one?
@dragongamer4210
@dragongamer4210 5 ай бұрын
A single pal have more animation than an entire gen of pokemon. Like why the fuck they still only do jump and slide animation when they're in 3D?! It make sense in 2D but 3D really?!
@trevorweisberg8470
@trevorweisberg8470 4 ай бұрын
Palworld’s has more voice acting than Pokémon has had since gen 5 too, despite being grunts and laughs
@zzeroara9511
@zzeroara9511 3 ай бұрын
That's literally just not true, but okay, keep yapping
@nugget6820
@nugget6820 Ай бұрын
​@@zzeroara9511 It literally is true, keep coping
@sturer9041
@sturer9041 5 ай бұрын
One of my favorite quotes I've seen from a BOTW player when genshin was first released was "As a BOTW player wouldn't you be happy to know that there is a game out there, quite similar to your favorite game? So why would you be mad about this?" Like at that point you don't care about the game anymore but only care for the prestige of thinking your game is better.
@imo098765
@imo098765 4 ай бұрын
yeah that makes sense. I get to play a game that is similar to something I enjoy
@michaelt5459
@michaelt5459 4 ай бұрын
This is basically the definition of toxic positivity. There is absolutely a discussion to be had about inspiration versus plagiarism. That doesn’t mean we should always assume the worst, but if something smells fishy it’s at least worth an honest discussion.
@ysbrann3059
@ysbrann3059 4 ай бұрын
@@michaelt5459 you can t copyright gameplay mechanic
@michaelt5459
@michaelt5459 4 ай бұрын
@@ysbrann3059 that doesn’t address the broader point of my comment at all. Also this is beyond gameplay mechanics anyways, it also includes the graphical design.
@ysbrann3059
@ysbrann3059 4 ай бұрын
@@michaelt5459 your point was about toxic positivity about OP comment who talked about Genshi. using Zelda Gameplay mechanic.... how did i don t adress your point ?
@PersonaPrime
@PersonaPrime 5 ай бұрын
3:39 I think this is one of the biggest issues with Palworld. I don't know if the devs or the fans of this game started advertising it as Pokemon with guns, but that's not what Palworld is and going into it expecting a Pokemon experience, but with guns will just leave you disappointed. Palworld is Ark Survival with cute monsters (that design-wise some look a bit too close to some Pokemon), not Pokemon with guns, but I guess that advertising it as what it actually is, wouldn't have piqued as many people's curiosity and interest.
@SaintLiam3000
@SaintLiam3000 5 ай бұрын
The fans mostly or at least those writing articles about it.
@PersonaPrime
@PersonaPrime 5 ай бұрын
@@SaintLiam3000 I see. Yeah, I guess it's also Twitch streamers and KZfaqrs who wanted to put Pokemon in their title for more clicks. But all of them together contributed to this false description of the game.
@EmptyHand49
@EmptyHand49 5 ай бұрын
Yeah the trailer got me excited for it but the actual game is pretty mundane
@ZeroXSEED
@ZeroXSEED 5 ай бұрын
It as both fans and haters alike The devs actually HATED the phrase "Pokemon with guns"
@tommo9478
@tommo9478 5 ай бұрын
I just think it's ARK with pokemon textures and some Zelda breath of the wild mechanics
@imo098765
@imo098765 4 ай бұрын
and BotW mechanics are mechanics from other games Glider thats been in Just Cause for ages Climbing over stuff, thats been in Assassins Creed Getting cold or warm. Nearly every survival game Cooking, thats from survival games Worlds catching on fire, thats kinda Zelda old school but Far Cry 2 and other games console generations ago have done the same These are all things BotW copied from other games, however the UI and some sounds are very very much inspired from BotW
@toonyandfriends1915
@toonyandfriends1915 4 ай бұрын
@@imo098765 i mean "gliders" isn't the most innovative concept ever made, i doubt it copied it.
@Ruuinx
@Ruuinx 5 ай бұрын
Nintendo won’t take down palworld bc there was a mod that actually just changed the pal models to Pokémon and Nintendo took that down instead of just taking down the whole game
@Karlyr_
@Karlyr_ 4 ай бұрын
There's a difference between having a mod that IS the IP. And a game that is ripping off an IP. One is the easiest thing to prove and takedown. The other requires an actual trial.
@amlannanda4023
@amlannanda4023 5 ай бұрын
Twitter just straight up sucks
@legendcat8913
@legendcat8913 4 ай бұрын
I wasnt gonna make a comment, but as an artist myself I feel like I have to defend something here. Palworld is incredibly inspired by pokeymon, but unless they ripped the assets straight from pokeymon, (which they didn’t) it took nearly the same amount of work, effort, and sweat and tears to actually model and animate these pokeymon-likes as gamefreak did with their pokeymon. And you can tell there’s an immense amount of love and care put into these animations, just watch the Penguin carry something on their head or watch King Penguin mine some ore. Even if pokeymon was public domain and the company used actual pokeymon IP, if they had to remodel and animate them themselves it would STILL take an immense amount of work and effort and care. I care about how art is made, by people’s hands with love and care, I DONT care about where you got your inspiration from or even if it’s already a pre-established IP (I am a MASSIVE Dracula fan and the public domain is humanity’s single greatest artistic achievement)
@severedproxy
@severedproxy 4 ай бұрын
Totally agree...also love how you avoided getting your comment getting deleted by spelling it as pokeymon.
@scavenger1379
@scavenger1379 4 ай бұрын
Yeah and on top of that they gave the pals emotion which I thought was cool if there good there eyes are completely open they have smiles but if there overworked they look sad and depressed I thought that was a cool touch
@jamesu7054
@jamesu7054 4 ай бұрын
It's pokemon not pokeymon
@livingglowstick1337
@livingglowstick1337 4 ай бұрын
i completely agree with this as a artist. picaso told us to steal like a artist we are all inspired bvy something we dont create something from nothing there are no original ideas just new repersentations of these ideas
@bsd1158
@bsd1158 4 ай бұрын
Are working professionally? I work professionally in 3D and the designs here a clear rip off. You should check out videos on how pokemon actually get designed and created, you would see that palworld obviously didn't do anything like that and just fused a bunch of pokemon designs. It's very much a ripoff design wise.
@NA-ud6qm
@NA-ud6qm 4 ай бұрын
21:00 Garnt, you're just explaining the difference between "Internal Locus of Control" and "External Locus of Control". It's a cool concept in psychology
@Lexyboogie
@Lexyboogie 5 ай бұрын
Conor is basically saying what Asmongold got roasted online for saying. The general consumer doesn't give AF about how their product is made. The only thing that matters to them is whether they enjoy the product or not. Enjoyment is even more key when it comes to the average gamer. And the thing is, regardless of the artistic "ripoffs" that are going on with Palworld, it cannot be denied that they distinctly understood what the consumer wants and gave it to them with a minimal budget that major studio devs can't even fathom. You can call Pocket Pair unoriginal, and you would probably be correct. But what you can't call them is lazy and uninspired. They clearly put a lot of heart and soul into this game.
@cklambo
@cklambo 5 ай бұрын
Difference is asmongold looks & talks like a smug arsehole. Never liked him.
@neociber24
@neociber24 5 ай бұрын
Agree, we already have proof of that products made bad working conditions still succeed, even us ignore where things we buy came from, where do we draw a line? Is hard.
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
The studio is sus and has a history of rip-off, you blind yourself if you think it is a pure passion project. And a budget of 6.75 million isn't a small indie budget
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
The allegation didn't come from anywhere even if they happened to be innocent
@FFXfever
@FFXfever 5 ай бұрын
If anything, this shows us how lazy Pokemon is.
@jaripruim
@jaripruim 5 ай бұрын
Leafeon?! That's a chipmunk Joey 😂 If anything it's a leaf version of pachirisu
@ShadowEclipex
@ShadowEclipex 5 ай бұрын
It's a Leafeon and Pachierisu fusion obviously. XD
@zyuunii3479
@zyuunii3479 4 ай бұрын
Their major success is the fact that Palworld is available on pc (steam) which is more accessible worldwide, instead of just made your whole ip exclusive to single console stubbornly that lead to their own disadvantage in this case
@joeelkins5234
@joeelkins5234 5 ай бұрын
I keep hearing people lead with the game is pokemon but with guns but then describe it as almost nothing like pokemon other than you can capture monsters
@AnakinSkyobiliviator
@AnakinSkyobiliviator 4 ай бұрын
I like how Garnt went full therapist/counselor mode about mental health and worrying about what other people think about you at the end there.
@foolishgenius
@foolishgenius 4 ай бұрын
I fully disagree with Connor's point because how does it feel like a Pokemon game if the gameplay loop is literally different like the only similarity is that you can catch monsters in a ball other than that there's a vast open world that you can run around in pals are everywhere there are people with guns on the map and you have a gun yourself and you can mine the entire gameplay Loop is nowhere near Pokemon
@foolishgenius
@foolishgenius 4 ай бұрын
The best thing to do about the studio mappa situation is to genuinely just watch the shows that they make because in a way you are supporting the artist that make the anime and talk about it let it be known to the world that studio Mappa is a sweatshop and that's why I think people are joking about it because it's a way to get the word out about the conditions of the animators
@KakyouKuzuki2001
@KakyouKuzuki2001 5 ай бұрын
People on twitter malding over something IS EVEN more the REASON to play games and consume media (well 95% of the time that is)... ;)
@jsuperhalo1
@jsuperhalo1 5 ай бұрын
The Twitter art community is genuinely the most rage filled and ridiculous isolated community ever. Truly everything is a controversy when it comes to them. Then the games they try to cancel just end up being top sellers.
@ShadowEclipex
@ShadowEclipex 5 ай бұрын
@@jsuperhalo1 Well I can't really blame the artists too much since they were bombarded with both NFTs and Generative AI people both stealing their hard work. So they were pretty much conditioned into being both super aggressive and defensive. Not to mention Twitter's toxic atmosphere in general. It's why I gave up on the site.
@mardshima2070
@mardshima2070 5 ай бұрын
@@ShadowEclipex Its already toxic even before NFT and AI stuff. Back then whenever you make/post some art, you will got bombarded by people who act like that bald Masterchef guy and just want to mentally destroy you. The exception is if you just draw some big anime tidies.
@ShadowEclipex
@ShadowEclipex 5 ай бұрын
@@mardshima2070 I never saw that sort of stuff. Of course I wasn't cronically on Twitter either.
@SpiderJAAM
@SpiderJAAM 4 ай бұрын
20:25 I HEAVILY agree with Garnt here, just care about what YOU can control, what YOU can affect DIRECTLY, but outside of it, there's nothing you can really do about it, so don't waste time stressing over it.
@bipedalanimeskull
@bipedalanimeskull 4 ай бұрын
for real, his mindset is what i strive for. I care, but i don't want to stress myself out over things that i can't control
@AMRITCHETRI249
@AMRITCHETRI249 5 ай бұрын
Garnt looks like he's had enough
@trevorweisberg8470
@trevorweisberg8470 4 ай бұрын
Pal spheres only wiggle twice. You’re guaranteed to catch it after the second shake. Also, you have 5 max pals in the party and 3 moves on each.
@acoolnameemm
@acoolnameemm 4 ай бұрын
The ball doesnt wiggle three times. It wiggles twice. The third time is always a 100% success.
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
The problem with Palword is not about Pokemon. It is about the Pandora's box it opened. However, no one can deny that Game Freak is in part responsible for neglecting and milking their audience.
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
Remember a 25 $ horse in WoW is one of the principal reasons we have microtransactions everywhere.
@sonfoku73
@sonfoku73 5 ай бұрын
Fellow josh strife hayes enjoyer​@@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
No sorry, thanks for the recommendation
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 5 ай бұрын
Why? Even if pokemon was still good, people would still play other games
@Yo_Cami
@Yo_Cami 5 ай бұрын
The problem is how the game was made and the consequences of his success. Game editors go where money is. If the consumer buys a rehashed game with reused AI and copies pasted gameplay coming from over studios. They will start an Era of games being a copy of a copy of other games
@nickdeloach5311
@nickdeloach5311 4 ай бұрын
5:35~ integrity I think is the word you’re looking for.
@tonyg9775
@tonyg9775 5 ай бұрын
1:15 I definitely believe that to some degree.
@FaizalKuntz
@FaizalKuntz 5 ай бұрын
The controversy is ridiculous, it sounded like the dev murder somebody.
@DIOBrando-ij2bp
@DIOBrando-ij2bp 4 ай бұрын
The thing to remember about Twitter is that it’s always sucked, and any kind of discourse that happens there has never actually mattered to the general public. It matters so little, and so doesn’t reflect what the average person cares or thinks about, it’s actually kind of weird companies were seemingly using it as some kind of free market research. It’s also always been incredibly easy to game twitter’s system to get things trending. I can’t even remember what it was, but I do remember there was some dumb trending topic like 13 to 8 years ago, and when people went back to see how it started it was just like one or two guys constantly posting about something until one day it just randomly picked up steam and people thought it was a thing.
@neociber24
@neociber24 5 ай бұрын
Although generative AI is the new topic right now, I don't think people really care if the result is good for them. That's why although a lot of people complain about giant companies like Shein, McDonalds, etc... we stop caring if bring something positive for us.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme 5 ай бұрын
People love spouting out rage against these things while still giving them money
@FFXfever
@FFXfever 5 ай бұрын
To be fair, Shein is actually awful. It is actually abusing alot of vulnerable people who don't have job mobility. Ai art is a first world problem for a group of people who has been in the losing battle since the 17th century, when art became more accessible to the mass, devaluing their ability to make a living off of it.
@uhwaykin
@uhwaykin 4 ай бұрын
@@FFXfever The idea that creative labor has in any way been devalued by some ambiguous 17th century development is laughable. Art is more widely consumed and profitable now than at any point in human history. That you can recognize how bad the outcomes of a profit-driven and automation-led race to the bottom are when it concerns factory work but find yourself making up some kind of vague historical narrative to justify it happening for creative work is actually pretty weird.
@SignoftheMagi
@SignoftheMagi 4 ай бұрын
While the mechanics and gameplay are very much Ark, I feel that it still appeals to the Pokemon crowd more because the fanbase is starved for something more in their games. Throwing survival game elements into a Poke-ish game creates a somewhat more realistic world, offers a wider game loop and encourages experimentation and discovery.
@matthewkukowski4638
@matthewkukowski4638 5 ай бұрын
Anything that makes Game Freak regret their neglect for the Pokemon games is a plus imo Hopefully Game Freak pulls it together and makes Gen 10 great, but hopes are low
@perritoshido5845
@perritoshido5845 5 ай бұрын
Game freak are probably the people that put the most care to Pokémon, but they get given 1 year deadlines to make a good game
@matthewkukowski4638
@matthewkukowski4638 5 ай бұрын
@@perritoshido5845 I really wish they were able to take their time with the games so they could make a quality game that people would enjoy
@matthewkukowski4638
@matthewkukowski4638 5 ай бұрын
@@garbagelmao2730 Oh no doubt, Palworld is for sure gonna die soon, I just hope it has ANY kind of effect (it won't). Also yeah, wasn't Scarlet and Violet their biggest game launch ever?
@KCAssassin98
@KCAssassin98 5 ай бұрын
@@garbagelmao2730 I mean palworld is a finite game obviously people are going to beat it. If the devs continue to update it however the game could be around forever. It's pretty good.
@DJPrimeAmvs
@DJPrimeAmvs 4 ай бұрын
All I heard is that you're upset that a pizza place doesn't sell burgers.
@NA-ud6qm
@NA-ud6qm 4 ай бұрын
Also, bro... I'm so glad Joey started his own company man. He's really changed a lot from when he started Trash Taste and he just seems way more of a chilled out guy.
@duanefouche378
@duanefouche378 4 ай бұрын
Palworld has better animations for their monsters than pokemon (and every.single.attack has a unique animation). They have better visuals than Pokemon (if you compare eg: Legends Arceus... ew). They have more varied gameplay, essentially echoing what Pokemon fans have been asking for for years now. And pretty sure they have less bugs than the most recent entries of Pokemon, despite being in the early access stage.
@Athena_Light
@Athena_Light 4 ай бұрын
Connor sounds like he got ten different agreements in his head
@benjaminchi1989
@benjaminchi1989 5 ай бұрын
Beind derivative isn't a crime. There's a Tom Ska video all about going through the different levels of copying that happens in art and media
@AMVSyndicate4913
@AMVSyndicate4913 4 ай бұрын
This game is a miracle of gaming, 10-50 developers that had to learn how to use unreal engine during the development, and they are not behing grinded to the bone made this game and it runs better than most AAA gamrs
@RektorMcGitgud
@RektorMcGitgud 5 ай бұрын
That whole part about being appreciative of how much work was put into the media we consume really resonated with me, because that's literally one of the biggest parts of my enjoyment with anything. I'm constantly impressed at how polished a game is, how well-animated a show is, etc. And it infuriates me to no end whenever one of my friends just puts on an anime on the side while doing something else and just misses the entire work that was put in by the animators. I remember showing FMA Brotherhood to a friend, and he was unable to just watch it, he had to have a game open on the side. And countless times I was like "holy shit did you see how sick the animation was?" and his reply was "I wasn't looking". Like, why even bother at that point? Whenever I sit down to watch or play something, I give it 200% of my attention and really appreciate all the work that went into it. I feel like that's the least I can do as a form of respect
@theknight334
@theknight334 4 ай бұрын
There are multiple reasons for this game to succeed: on the pokemon front: Pokemon has prioritized quantity over quality and since pokemon is geared toward kids and up, there is an entire aged up base in the young adult to adult audience who feel like they've out grown Game Freak. I am loving the character and interactions the pals have, they could have copied pokemon and done generic animations and poses, but gave them all custom animations and life. I saw my Penking skipping and bouncing a bag of gold in his hand, just looked like he was loving life.
@maxojavierrojasurzua5746
@maxojavierrojasurzua5746 4 ай бұрын
Connor: I got $19 from X. Joey: I got $25. Garnt: You guys are getting paid?
@vulgardevil9821
@vulgardevil9821 4 ай бұрын
ya’ll did Garnt dirty with that thumbnail
@dark1tech
@dark1tech 5 ай бұрын
Imagine arguing with a bot on Twitter💀
@transformerstuff7029
@transformerstuff7029 4 ай бұрын
40 hours of palworld means you are still having fun, 40 hours in a pokemon game means you completed almost everything in that game.
@MrToren01
@MrToren01 4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile nexomon and coromon exist and nobody bats an eye simple because they didn’t sell more than some Pokémon games like palworld did.
@DIOBrando-ij2bp
@DIOBrando-ij2bp 4 ай бұрын
Palworld should definitely be a wake up call to Pokémon. Like it’s not a great looking game, but it’s shocking holding up better than the modern 3D Pokémon games, which really shouldn’t be a think given Pokémon is literally the highest grossing franchise on the face of the Earth. If anything, Pokémon should have the most polished games. And sales wise Palword is probably going to beat Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. But even more so than Palworld being a message to Nintendo and Pokémon, it should be a message to Bandai Namco and Koei Tecmo, who own Digimon and Monster Rancher respectively. Hell, Monster Rancher has you have your monster do things like mining, building, logging, and hunting. And a survival aspect could so easily be layered on top of the original Digital Monsters virtual pet toys when had you raising a monster you could fight with other monsters. Even Pokémon, which is all about some kid traveling the country looking for Pokémon and going for city to city to fight the local gym masters could easily work in survival gameplay.
@KhairulFadzlyAKarim
@KhairulFadzlyAKarim 5 ай бұрын
Actually if they just used their own design the game will still rock.
@WillLI05
@WillLI05 4 ай бұрын
The designs are there own. The majority of what people are saying are "rips from pokemon" are very shallow similarities. Like the "Leafeon ripoff" is a squirrel. And doesn't actually use the same color pallet. Leafeon is yellow, not green. It's just that it's similar enough to make people think of it. But put them side by side and you can point out a bunch of differences.
@toonyandfriends1915
@toonyandfriends1915 4 ай бұрын
@@WillLI05 equivalent of 'copy my homework but make sure that it isn't similar enough'
@WillLI05
@WillLI05 4 ай бұрын
@@toonyandfriends1915 Somewhat but not exactly. I mean if you make it in the art style of pokemon, of course everything will look like a pokemon. But Pokemon is a super simplified art style, and if you look at it, a lot of pokemon actually look a lot like eachother too. So like if pokemon can't even make their own pokemon not look like other pokemon, of course other people using the same art style are gonna make things that look like pokemon.
@toonyandfriends1915
@toonyandfriends1915 4 ай бұрын
@@WillLI05 the amount of pokemon ripoffs who have animals that do not look at all like pokemons is pretty staggering so your claim is unlikely to be true.
@toonyandfriends1915
@toonyandfriends1915 4 ай бұрын
@@WillLI05 look at Temtem and it truly feels like they are not ripping of pokemon designs so your excuse doesn't really work
@AnanoMously
@AnanoMously 4 ай бұрын
nintendo wont sue, and honestly its only because they are breaking records that nintendo even commented on the game. seriously TemTem is closer to pokemon then Palworld is or will ever be.
@LandoKarzuk
@LandoKarzuk 4 ай бұрын
40 hours completion?
@ac5656
@ac5656 5 ай бұрын
I was gonna buy it but saw it’s 30 bucks so I’ll hold off till some other time. Either I got the spare cash or I’ve finished my backlog of games
@lordvesel
@lordvesel 4 ай бұрын
Why are so called "artists" put on pedestal, when no one laments other jobs becoming automated as technology advances? Human art will always be sought after, but it's not society's responsibility to make sure your chosen craft remains valuable in perpetuity. If your work can't compete with an automated process, you need to figure out how to adapt, just like the rest of us.
@Jikuri
@Jikuri 4 ай бұрын
I mean Pokemon Started TOO CLOSE too Dragon Quest so.... That's just how greatest art and artist are made.
@ChrisMorray
@ChrisMorray 4 ай бұрын
People put too much stock in Twitter flamewars. Like... The Palworld outrage was all stuff that was debunked within a week, and clearly the instigators had ulterior motives by their own admission. Hogwarts Legacy was the same thing: It was one of the most successful games of 2023 and JK Rowling wasn't even involved in the game. Turns out: Loud people on twitter are just either contrarians, or really stupid. Just judge games by their own merit and you'll find out: They're generally fun and the devs put in effort. The devs said they wanted to make a fun game, and they did, so there's no real reason for nonsense hate campaigns.
@gallie2622
@gallie2622 5 ай бұрын
I haven't played the game or even watched it but just based on what was said it sounds more like Conan Exiles or am I wrong?
@theoria555
@theoria555 5 ай бұрын
The major comparison for Palworld is it's like Ark or Conan Exiles with Pokemon-style creature collection
@suntannedduck2388
@suntannedduck2388 4 ай бұрын
That's because it's a survival game with heavy Ark elements (Conan is a fair comparison too) from the HUD to the technological technologies meny and systems to research and build. Sure climbing and the temp game assets not the concept even Ark has a temp gauge. So some BOTW in there and NPC creatures looking like Pokemon but automation with NPCs or machines has been around for years done so in Minecraft for years modded let alone Ark with it's dinosaurs and mobile dinosaur bases. If I compared it to Indie games you can tell the popular titles they are inspired by. Versus games with original ideas. Enshrouded is more original and came out after. It has a setup, has a mix of Ark and Minecraft building as a great quality of life. It has stamina and it uses it badly. But used stamina mods in Minecraft way before BOTW/Dark Souls did. Nightingale is made by ex Bioware deva with it's own tricks up its sleave. I reference it to Myatcraft from Minecraft a mod focused on books and pages for making new dimensions with any blocks the game contains. It's similar to that but with cards and more story/direction to it. People base off popular games ideas. Indies or AAW. Only few have new ideas. I get more fun out of old platformers then I do Indie platformers because like with Nightingale they have actual deva making new ideas in them. Indies a certain percentage want to use popular games in a fan game way and sell of nostalgia. Which is fine I just find with SO MANY they can be boring and unexciting to try out and seek the different ones by Indies or old games still fresh to this day.
@thomasparsons9866
@thomasparsons9866 4 ай бұрын
There are so many additional things and things that are different that PalWorld is effectively nothing like a Pokémon game. A turn-based, collector battler (or whatever official terms there are). Pokémon base-building is basically the secret bases from Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond/Pearl, which is vastly different from Palworld. Open world is only really similar to Legends, none of the other games are like it. The gameplay more than enough to be different from a Pokémon game. The only real argument is that some of the designs are too similar.
@flargensnarfle22
@flargensnarfle22 4 ай бұрын
big thing for me is it feels like there are countless fuckin pokemon that exist because the series has been around for so long, its because of this i feel that making a game in the same genre becomes very difficult without getting flak for similarities, on your side palworld keep doin what your doin
@whatgari
@whatgari 4 ай бұрын
The lucario one is the only one where i say " hey Egyptian history said pokemon didn't fucking invent a bipedal jackal"
@mikaruyami
@mikaruyami 4 ай бұрын
Anubis is also from their other game Craftopia. Same reason he's the statue model.
@darkmetal2412
@darkmetal2412 5 ай бұрын
If it turns out AI was use in the design in the Pals the one simple way they can fix it is just change the designs of the Pals... well i say simple but it'll probably take some work
@commander_frog
@commander_frog 4 ай бұрын
15:20 why is garnt having a nam flashback
@xinhayman6019
@xinhayman6019 4 ай бұрын
I feel like there isn't much different from what Pocket Pair is doing, to what companies like SNK did back in the day after Street Fighter 2 came out
@kingmiles43
@kingmiles43 4 ай бұрын
The game is fun. the creators like u said took parts from different good games and made a great game. Unfortunately other creators wouldn't make it because of the copyright issues
@icedrone24
@icedrone24 4 ай бұрын
the game didnt came out of nowhere it has trailer 3 yrs ago iirc
@CharDhue
@CharDhue 4 ай бұрын
Palworld Mechanic far from pokemon but the monster design very close to pokemon
@acoolnameemm
@acoolnameemm 4 ай бұрын
Palworld takes about the best thing from every other game and mashes them together and makes it work. In general I do not think that Nintendo can copyright Palworld for the Pals - outside of a few designs that are way too close. But like, you cant copyright a penguin.
@daanishgupta
@daanishgupta 4 ай бұрын
I mean if Palworld gets sued for copying Pokemon then Valve can sue Riot for copying CSGO. They literally have 1 to 1 copies of guns but with obviously different names and art styles. They even named the AWP, 'Operator'. Copying a broad genre is not plagiarism.
@PrimeCo129
@PrimeCo129 4 ай бұрын
Palworld could have easily been a Digimon survival game with all those guns lol
@dgdfgfnh968
@dgdfgfnh968 4 ай бұрын
Twitter was never the news its just that those people are the loudest.
@HydraDominatus420
@HydraDominatus420 4 ай бұрын
Why does Grant look so tired?? Is he okay?
@tsukuyomiacolyte4895
@tsukuyomiacolyte4895 4 ай бұрын
7:34 Its just literally ark with automation bro wtf
@rod99ttett90
@rod99ttett90 4 ай бұрын
Remember. This is not Nintendo exclusive like pokemon. Making it available for more platforms
@kanyeet5162
@kanyeet5162 5 ай бұрын
its crazy how better this game than a multi billion franchise with 20 years experience . if i were a pokefan id just end it
@lozfan4996
@lozfan4996 4 ай бұрын
The way I see it, the average consumer shouldn't be that concerned with whether or not Palworld copied BotW/Pokemon. Laws around this exist, and Nintendo has never shied away from exercising their right to sue or issue a cease and desist. As long as nothing was blatantly traced or copy-pasted, a lot of work still has to go into making a game. Mortdog had a really good video on this topic as well that I'd recommend taking a look at. At the end of the day, it's good for people to be thinking about where they stand on ethics and art, but if there's a dispute between profits, the companies will settle it between themselves. The consumers would have no stake in it.
@rationaldemon195
@rationaldemon195 4 ай бұрын
Palworld = Pokemon with guns if you only played pokemon your entire life and now finnally discovered other games exist. To me Palword is more akin to ark survival the core gameplay loop is more similiar that you could call it palword = ark survival but with cell shaded graphics. I think overall the discussion is silly palword exists just like how tem tem exists and many others before that, and many designs from pokemon are based on things that already exists if you are mostly stucked on pokemon throughout your life and finnally discovered other games this isn't that pokemon is finnally getting competition but you realizing that designs will look similiar as there is so many potential outcomes and limited design choices that you can claim as original. The only difference right now is that pokemon has become way to laxxed and palworld is hitting the market and getting the attention i haven't played pokemon in a long time my last game was diamond and pearl from the ds and my attactments and fond memeries of the game were great but i haven't played further ahead as i find more games that i have fun as you loose the attachment and moved on you will see palworld as another game.
@bobbysworld281995
@bobbysworld281995 5 ай бұрын
It's obviously a rip-off of many things, towards companies people do not like right now but it will bite some asses when some of these excuses are ignored when something not Palworld does it. Quality matters, but nuance is more dead than the horses.
@X3nophiliac
@X3nophiliac 5 ай бұрын
asmongold had an honest take and i feel like connor is dancing around agreeing with Asmon's viral tweet about how consumers act😅 subtweeting him without mentioning him maybe?
@searcey
@searcey 4 ай бұрын
Since BoTW came out, we have been wanting a Pokémon game in a BoTW type work. The creators are clearly just fans who are sick of waiting. This should wake up Nintendo and Pokémon to step their game up and give us an awesome open world Pokémon.
@Fanta93
@Fanta93 4 ай бұрын
I mean....it's a great game worth $30 dollars.... I cant help it....150hrs+
@TommySkywalker11
@TommySkywalker11 5 ай бұрын
There's definitely no way palworld puts any pressure on gamefreak, pokemon is the largest media franchise on earth that can get 10+mil sales selling the same game every single year in increasingly broken states And even less pressure on nintendo since they just own a share of the IP and don't have any involvement in development anyway
@andreapassante5653
@andreapassante5653 4 ай бұрын
Thing is... if you want to make a game with non-human characters, how can you avoid making them look like at least some of the thousands of Pokemon?
@user-bn2cm9hl3e
@user-bn2cm9hl3e 4 ай бұрын
I don’t care how hard/easy it was to make. If I like it I buy it if I don’t then I don’t. Stop trying to lecture others on what they should appreciate
@revmaillet
@revmaillet 4 ай бұрын
I think you also have to remember... Art is subjective. What you consider art, I may not. I, honestly, dont care where my art comes from whether it is AI, person, monkey or whatever. If I like it then I like it.
@epictoe7179
@epictoe7179 5 ай бұрын
Every single comment that accused Palworld of plagiarism or stealing assets from other games I would always ask the same question, “where is the proof?” And *none* them ever gave me a source or an actual answer.
@ryosama1988
@ryosama1988 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, the reason why the Pals looks like Pokémon is because most people are looking through the "its a Pokémon" lens which is why you see the similarities. Im only familiar with the OG 151 Pokémon so when I see Sparkit, I say," hey, its Pikachu" and no, Sparkit doesn't look similar to Pikachu. Cinderace and Verdash; for example, people who knows about Cinderace will see the similarities but since Im not familiar with it, all the similarities I can see are that its a rabbit standing on its two feet.
@empoker07
@empoker07 4 ай бұрын
Apparently, a lot of people are under the misconception that Pokémon are original. They are not. Also Palworld is a combination of a lot of great games and that why it is so popular. Nintendo has no shot if they try to sue.
@Joekitty001
@Joekitty001 4 ай бұрын
Sooo... Conner has an issue with the ethics behind Palworld and that he wishes the consumer was more conscious of their purchases, but he streamed it for 40 hours?
@AtomicValery
@AtomicValery 4 ай бұрын
The irony 😂
@michaelfairbairn9510
@michaelfairbairn9510 5 ай бұрын
Look we can all admit there next game is trynna rip off hollow knight plus the creator admits he doesnt like coming up with his own stuff.
@lucky22224
@lucky22224 4 ай бұрын
I don’t blame pal world devs at all. They needed to make this game and they had a small budget and only so many people to do it. I’m a programmer and I kinda get it. I’ve been working on a project for months and got burned out. So I’m like fk it. I don’t have the additional brain power to make things super unique I just need it to work
@justmikoto9880
@justmikoto9880 4 ай бұрын
Pokémon’s casual audience is slowly drifting away from Pokémon to Palworld because of the lack of quality of life gameplay innovation and Game Freak becoming more involved with more competitive Pokémon. But even competitive is a can worms you don’t want to open up.
@MercuryA2000
@MercuryA2000 4 ай бұрын
I had a whole little speech written about how nintendo doesn't deserve the pokemon IP and how palworld is gonna force it to grow, either directly or indirectly, but that's not what you guys discussed. Might say something if people want to hear another person rant about it, but eh well. I will say that you guys are right. There's just- too many things to care about in the modern day. Right and wrong are too complicated, andsome people want you to care about everything. I just can't. If I hear about something that speaks to me, I'll research that, but I feel like I have to live in willful ignorance just to keep my sanity above zero. As for things like supporting bad studios who make good content, the only answer I really have would be sailing the seas, if you know what I mean. You still get your good content, but they don't get any rewards from it.
@osamudazai579
@osamudazai579 4 ай бұрын
Here is the thing that we have to keep in mind when it comes to the topic of plagiarism. Humans are actually really really fucking stupid when it comes to the concept of creating a genuinely new idea. Its almost if not completely impossible. Everything we have ever created has had some sort of inspiration. The only real original ideas, are things we come across by complete accident and then manipulate those accidents with our existing inspired knowledge. An easy way to think about this argument is by asking you to try imagining a color that you have never seen before. It is literally impossible.
@ektran4205
@ektran4205 4 ай бұрын
monetizing blue checkmarks
@Bandangosw
@Bandangosw 4 ай бұрын
Palworld was fuckingncool
@FFXfever
@FFXfever 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'll be real, i really don't care about the artistic discourse. Lol. Good output is good output. As far as I'm concerned, you can't patent mechanics and that's all that matters
@sonfoku73
@sonfoku73 5 ай бұрын
But it was never about the mechanics that's not the real problem with the game did you not even watch the clip?
@FFXfever
@FFXfever 5 ай бұрын
I did. As I said, I don't care about the artistic discourse. It's not remotely within my interest, the game can look like shit (and it does) and I'll still play it. So all these things about looking like Pokemon or sounding like botw doesn't matter to me.
@oasis6023
@oasis6023 5 ай бұрын
The moral of this story is be quiet, and just play the game if you like it since your "voice" will get cancelled out by another person's "voice" there's no helping it. Especially since you might be right in half of your opinion but completely wrong in the other since your opinion is like a water droplet in an ocean of opinions.
@Gpjr55
@Gpjr55 4 ай бұрын
Knowing that there isnt any decent pokemon rival i think palword is actually a good thing even for Nintendo lol people seem to forget that having a rival makes companies strive to be better then the other and improve on their games cause tbh pokemon has been very stale always the same story they need to improve and i mean this with no hate towards it in the end of the day normal people only care about having fun and thats what games should be all about imo...
@erickbelvin4781
@erickbelvin4781 4 ай бұрын
Screaming into the abyss about how a thing is made while using technology that is largely made from resources that is only accessible from slave labor. I.e. cobalt mined by child slaves in Africa which is the major contributor in most of our technology.
@Braxmegaman
@Braxmegaman 5 ай бұрын
As someone who does care deeply about where art comes from, I'm utterly unfazed by the similarity in the Pal designs to Pokemon. There are two reasons: first, it's clearly intended as parody. The gameplay may not be the same, but they're obviously poking fun at the darker themes that Pokemon routinely ignores. The second is that Pokemon is the most popular, successful franchise of all time. They are a multi-million, probably _billion_ dollar corporation. They don't need you to cheerlead for them. Hard stop.
@kuroakikitsune
@kuroakikitsune 4 ай бұрын
Connor actually describing what artists feel/go through was a little surprising. Any kind of art form takes so much time, effort and passion into our creations. One of the resons i buy art books, so i can appreciate artists hard work.
@KRIAJK
@KRIAJK 5 ай бұрын
The wiggle is in A LOT of games. It's not just a Pokemon thing. Shoot it's not even a wiggle thing it's just a ding 3 times or a light brightens 3 times. Those are staples of any game where you can catch or upgrade/enhance.
@whalhard
@whalhard 4 ай бұрын
I see it more as parody than plagiarisme.
@DJPrimeAmvs
@DJPrimeAmvs 4 ай бұрын
The people that are complaining about pokemon neglecting them are the type of people to literally play pokemon and nothing else. You dont go to a pizza restaurant for a burger.
@loveandfrenchtoast8780
@loveandfrenchtoast8780 4 ай бұрын
I just run on this Who is the victim here? If anybody, gamefreak maybe. But this game in no way conflicts with them or cuts into their sales as it is on a different platform and suits another audience. And if this game does somehow cut into pokemon sales? Good, it will maybe force a good pokemon game out of gamefreak. If somebody can do what you do, but better, that's tough beans but it's their thing now.
@codytoeung5089
@codytoeung5089 4 ай бұрын
This game’s Twitter discourse is legit some of the worst I’ve seen. It’s another case where neither side is in the right so it’s hard to even take either. Unfortunately a lot of Twitter users don’t understand the nuance and just boils the opposite side as blind haters/defenders without realizing people can have stances on both sides. Especially when people on either side make terrible arguments. My general thoughts on this game is that people can like or dislike the game, in the end it’s just an opinion. I hope this is a wake up call for Game Freak to put more effort, and I also hope this spawns more Pokémon esque games that don’t get into as much controversy as this game. I think Gnoggin/Lockstin’s video on the subject is great, since he likes both games and isn’t afraid to compliment Palworld as he is to tear into it. And he gives a lot of good insight on the online discourse in general
@Star_Biscuit
@Star_Biscuit 4 ай бұрын
Take Connor's argument about art, and take it to food. If people are too ungrateful to learn and care about where what literally fuels them comes from, the fuck you think they're gonna care about where a show or game comes from?
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