The "Melee" of Competitive Pokemon.

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Jimothy Cool

Jimothy Cool

11 ай бұрын

Gen 3 Competitive Singles is, in my eyes, the peak of Competitive Pokemon. Much like the popular eSport "Super Smash Brothers Melee", this 20+ year old game has a dedicated community that prefer it over the newer titles in the franchise, due to it's unique mechanics and balanced Competitive metagame.
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@jimothycool
@jimothycool 11 ай бұрын
Gen 3 OU Tier List - August 2023 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5eIgNKUuODPmqc.html
@DkKobaADV
@DkKobaADV 11 ай бұрын
Yeah i wavedashed my ttar into my opponents defensive swampert then hit them with a charged rock slide
@lulu82o
@lulu82o 11 ай бұрын
Careful, bc rock slide is -8 on shield after L-cancel and swampert has a frame 6 out-of-shield option in the form of upB hydro pump
@playstationarusu
@playstationarusu 11 ай бұрын
Got a chuckle out of me
@markosmywords9202
@markosmywords9202 11 ай бұрын
@@lulu82oi have no idea what this means lmao
@cryochick9044
@cryochick9044 11 ай бұрын
Celeste enjoyer?
@tales9342
@tales9342 11 ай бұрын
Did he just walk up slowly and Hidden Power Grass?!?!??!?!?!
@SirToastyToes
@SirToastyToes 11 ай бұрын
The Gen 3 VGC circuit was wild, the Pokemon Rocks America tour ended with a tournament in New York City commentated by Hulk Hogan. All Pokemon were legal except Wobbuffet meaning the two finalists were using Groudon, Kyogre and Mewtwo
@shevankaseneviratne1724
@shevankaseneviratne1724 11 ай бұрын
Is there a video of this on KZfaq? Sounds amazing
@SirToastyToes
@SirToastyToes 11 ай бұрын
@shevankaseneviratne1724 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZ2eiaaZ0bq6nGw.html&ab_channel=NickHarperPkm
@LRXC1
@LRXC1 11 ай бұрын
Yes! There is lots of ADV VGC content on KZfaq, I don’t believe any raw footage of that moment of the event exists though. I could be wrong
@corazonfeathers8116
@corazonfeathers8116 11 ай бұрын
​@@LRXC1there actually is! A channel uploaded information about the PCNY and stuff, I think it's im a blissy?
@dastardlydwarf6909
@dastardlydwarf6909 11 ай бұрын
Gen 3 is the goat and the community is amazing! I recommend it to anyone. Thank god showdown and smogon preserve old generations meta games.
@IdentifiantE.S
@IdentifiantE.S 11 ай бұрын
Its a good love letter to the Gen3 !
@Aex89
@Aex89 11 ай бұрын
People don't appreciate the gem that is gen 3
@Aex89
@Aex89 11 ай бұрын
@@viewer6152 okay chill out man, I wasn't making a deep statement, I just wanted to say that I don't see gen 3 getting as appreciated as 4,7 or 5. Nothing more than that , haha. But I still agree with your comment, MOST (95%) Pokémon games have been great but it just needs time to get the appreciation it deserves. But again those are just a portion of the community, either the manchilds that hate the old gens for no reason or the crybabies that hate on new games out of bandwagon. Happens a lot.
@noysam3570
@noysam3570 11 ай бұрын
the current gen wave is harsh lmao
@SR64.
@SR64. 11 ай бұрын
​@@Aex89what are you talking about emerald is still widely considered the best pokemon game
@Mijzelffan
@Mijzelffan 11 ай бұрын
most people focus on the physical/special split, but I'm glad you mentioned the lack of risk free powerful moves that gen 4 introduced. Choosing between focus punch and brick break or between giga drain and solarbeam makes movesets more diverse than just slapping on close combat on everything
@bluegum6438
@bluegum6438 11 ай бұрын
The lack of physical special split is not bad, just different. I actually prefer it, it made movepool choices more strategic instead of always picking STAB Oh and mixed attackers were reasonably common which is extremely rare now
@JesterQueenAnne
@JesterQueenAnne 11 ай бұрын
​@@bluegum6438I wouldn't mind the split so much if it wasn't for Dark and and Ghost seemingly having classes switched. Just the thought of Dark being special and Ghost being physical makes me not want to even try.
@bluegum6438
@bluegum6438 11 ай бұрын
@@JesterQueenAnne I personally think it makes sense. As I'm sure you know the only Ghost type move was Lick yadda yadda, and Dark is drawing power from malice, which is kind of "energy" rather than a physical force. A lot of Dark moves involve physical contact, but the stat that powers the damage inflicted is Special. Like an INT infusion in DS.
@udonnauchegbu2018
@udonnauchegbu2018 11 ай бұрын
​@@bluegum6438I think another reason why it should've been switched was the fact that a lot of dark types back then couldn't take advantage of their higher physical attack stat. You also have Gengar who has two types that were physical even though he was more of a special attacker.
@enn1924
@enn1924 11 ай бұрын
​@@udonnauchegbu2018that turned gengar into more of a support mon, and ttar is already the best pokemon on the tier so pursuit being special makes it less spammable on physical sets, plus it gives houndoom a niche for being the pursuiter with the highest special attack I agree that it is a good change on modern gens and it only works on adv because the power level is way more balanced without braindead risk free moves or every wall having access to roost or recover and immunity to passive damage (I can't speak for gen 1 and 2 because I don't play those tiers)
@santiagoacosta3372
@santiagoacosta3372 11 ай бұрын
This video is a beautiful love letter to the gen 3 competitive scene
@joelkilchoer4238
@joelkilchoer4238 11 ай бұрын
Understood. I am going to go make my first gen 3 team with Misdreavus, Roselia, and Sableye as the core
@nickel7o740
@nickel7o740 3 ай бұрын
Reading this is making me wonder how to fit Mawile, Cradily and Chimecho into a semi-competitive team just because I like them.
@honjon666
@honjon666 11 ай бұрын
You know Jim is serious about ADV when the outro music is the og Verdanturf theme. The subversion of expectations in this moment deserves an oscar nomination.
@playstationarusu
@playstationarusu 11 ай бұрын
The outro hit different, cause of Jim's spitting
@MacAnters
@MacAnters 11 ай бұрын
Do you know, perchance, what that rap version is called?
@honjon666
@honjon666 11 ай бұрын
@@MacAnters You'll Goin Magneton? Hidden Power Ground Bich kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nryeidymnrGUYnU.html I believe it was one of Viper's songs Jim remixed with Verdanturf theme
@MacAnters
@MacAnters 11 ай бұрын
@@honjon666 Amazing! Thanks a lot!
@AaronTats
@AaronTats 11 ай бұрын
ADV: Melee Gen 5: Brawl Gen 7: Smash 4 Nat Dex: Ultimate
@crocworks
@crocworks 11 ай бұрын
Gen 1: Smash 64
@fatyoshi696
@fatyoshi696 11 ай бұрын
Hackmons: rivals of aether workshop
@totalphantasm
@totalphantasm 11 ай бұрын
Your cresselia video in particular really gave me a new perspective on what makes a meta fun. The idea that it’s not about “as many things being usable all at once” but the combination of “types” of play that are possible and the ability for the meta to *change* are most important. The vibe matters
@drdca8263
@drdca8263 11 ай бұрын
This kind of thought leads me to wonder whether there is a nice way to mathematically formalize the thing you said about the meta having a tendency to change over time. I saw a paper a while back, which gave one possible formalization of a notion of a game having like, a high skill ceiling, or something like that (I forget the exact details) where they talked about the space of strategies for the game having like, many “layers” of cycles, where like, within any particular level, there is a kind of rock-paper-scissors type thing going on, with nothing in the level having a clear advantage over everything else in the same level, but where strategies in the next level up will tend to beat strategies in the level below them. I think the idea with that was that there would be a linear order on the levels, where better players play strategies at higher levels. But, if we want to describe a meta changing over time, rather than just “skill level”, maybe the idea should be modified so that there may be multiple possible incomparable “levels” “above” a given level? I suppose we could think of things like, maybe “levels” consist of a distribution over some subset of possible strategies that is (approximately?) a Nash equilibrium when strategies are restricted to that subset, but where some other distribution over some other subset of possible strategies, has a clear advantage over the first one, and, where there is a long network of such distributions, where the number of deterministic strategies each distribution is over, is required to be bounded in size to be something small compared to the total number of possible deterministic strategies, and where I guess maybe require of the “levels” that no deterministic strategy dominates it? And like, if we want to talk about how long the meta can keep changing, that could be depicted/represented/approximated by something about how big the digraph of “this level can become (i.e. is-beaten-by) this level” is, where “how big” is about how long the non-extendable paths in it are. Potentially these paths could have loops. If these loops were too tight, I imagine that instead of the community going around in that cycle, would instead move to an average of the places in that cycle, and so wouldn’t really make an active meta. But, longer loops, that seems like something that could happen. But, how to make this more precise? I’m not sure.
@jakedewey3686
@jakedewey3686 11 ай бұрын
@@drdca8263 Read about Nash equilibriums
@drdca8263
@drdca8263 11 ай бұрын
@@jakedewey3686 I did mention Nash equilibria in my comment?
@alexanderspassov4759
@alexanderspassov4759 11 ай бұрын
Part of the reason I always tune in and stay subbed to Jimothys channel is for the insights on ADV OU. I mainly play Draft League since Gen 7 and I have no idea what a metagame would look like without, rocks, scald, high bp knock off, regen and set up sweepers that need 1 turn to win a game.
@ScaryShadow818
@ScaryShadow818 11 ай бұрын
We still got setup sweepers who only need one turn haha
@melikmourali2072
@melikmourali2072 11 ай бұрын
Yeah but it's in the end of the game to clean up, with a lot of preparation. In gen 7, you send Drizzle Pelipper turn 1, U-turn into Mega Swampert /Ash Greninja and it's gg for most teams :/
@LRXC1
@LRXC1 11 ай бұрын
You should try ADV draft league!
@ultimaterecoil1136
@ultimaterecoil1136 11 ай бұрын
@@melikmourali2072no no no you don’t lead peliper on mega swampert rain then sand is up because peliper is too fast to have the rain go up second. You lead a pivot ( probably zapdos) pivot into peliper then uturn into mega swampert. Nat dex rain makes it especially easy cuz you can lead mega swampert.
@GHeinz
@GHeinz 11 ай бұрын
0:48 i knew jim was a falcon main
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 11 ай бұрын
I used to play Peach actually. I was very bad
@Aoi_Tori_
@Aoi_Tori_ 11 ай бұрын
I like the videos when you make Melee comparisons Mr. Cool
@tannerhagen3881
@tannerhagen3881 9 ай бұрын
The lack of Stealth Rock is also great. In gen 3 you can build a team without spikes, but in later gens Stealth Rock is centralizing the entire metagame which sucks
@13luken
@13luken 11 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see more gen 3 on here. I think a Gen 3 for beginners series/video would be super helpful, because I've opened up the Gen 3 OU teambuilder before because of your videos but it's so intimidating with how different everything is!
@AevitosTrath
@AevitosTrath 11 ай бұрын
You play Gen. 3 because of everything you are saying in the video. I play Gen three because Dodrio and Camerupt have a niche. We are not the same
@richyroa
@richyroa Ай бұрын
What's camerupt niche?
@brett1908
@brett1908 11 ай бұрын
Melee and gen 3 are the two competitive meta games that are so nuanced that they’re still alive to this day, melee with its micro spacing and many other techs, and Gen 3 ou with such specific EV spreads and “bad” Pokémon having strong uses being found still, they both constantly innovate even 2 decades later and don’t stay the same even without the presence of patches, it’s sorta like “natural patching” to me.
@funkymachine
@funkymachine 11 ай бұрын
Tyranitar the goat being the fox is such a good representation of old gens
@Evan20000
@Evan20000 11 ай бұрын
I was a small kid who just finished beating the stadium games with rentals when I discovered Netbattle back in the ADV days and never looked back. Gen 3 singles has so many good memories to me. Gen 3 ubers is also the point where Ubers stopped being just a banlist and became a legitimate tier too in my eyes.
@TheMathmath123
@TheMathmath123 11 ай бұрын
Guys , I'm not sure but I have a sneaking suspicion he likes gen 3 OU
@maskofthedragon
@maskofthedragon 11 ай бұрын
The powercreep from gen 3 to 4 was insane
@Dziobothehobo
@Dziobothehobo 11 ай бұрын
No, the powercreep from gen 4 to 5 was insane.
@_M_4
@_M_4 11 ай бұрын
​@@Dziobothehobothe powercreep from gen 5 to 6 was insane
@gabrielmartinez8292
@gabrielmartinez8292 11 ай бұрын
@@_M_4 the powercreep from gen 6 to 7 was insane
@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy
@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy 11 ай бұрын
​@@gabrielmartinez8292the powercreep from Gen 7 to 8 was insane
@officersoulknight6321
@officersoulknight6321 11 ай бұрын
​@@Squirtle_Squad_SupremacyThe Gholdengo was Insane
@Lobster222
@Lobster222 11 ай бұрын
gen 3 is truly the dark souls of the melee of the quake of the starcraft brood war of the third strike of pokemon
@MelodyTCG
@MelodyTCG 11 ай бұрын
Gen 3 ou made me appreciate how pokemon were designed in earlier gens No physical special split meant there were a lot of mixed attackers for example
@GLamb3895
@GLamb3895 11 ай бұрын
This video was excellent. I've been down a retro format rabbit hole of Yugioh and pokemon cards, and this has added the games to that list as well. I find it interesting that stuff like Melee, Gen3 and the other popular retro formats of card games and video games were all around the same time period
@Lucrei.
@Lucrei. 11 ай бұрын
Less corporational oversight I'd guess
@May-hem
@May-hem 11 ай бұрын
It still baffles me you only have 30k subscribers when your content is genuinely great. The iron mugulis narrative was a masterstroke and even my bf listens with me now because he finds those little sections so entertaining.
@Iamthe2G
@Iamthe2G 6 ай бұрын
Welp, I'm one of those who couldn't give ADV a try before because of the lack of physical/special split of moves, lack of item choice, lesser amount of Pokemon, etc. But one day, someone named Jimothy Cool showed up in my Yt video suggestions, and after a few days, I decided to watch one of the videos. Now ADV is probably my second favourite meta to play in, only behind gen 7, all thanks to Jim. So Jim, thank you so much for making your love for ADV something others can enjoy, and you can count on me to support the future successor of the Callous Invitational tournament in any way I can
@bananaspice1967
@bananaspice1967 11 ай бұрын
Just started out with some gen 3 OU battles, and I have to say it's a lot of fun. Even if I'm losing most games, I'm learning from what I see and changing my team and strats accordingly. Been a lot of fun so far, and I hope to see myself in a tournament one day.
@krumplin8992
@krumplin8992 11 ай бұрын
I had a similar experience too. I feel that low ladder gen 3 has a much higher concentration of good players than any other meta
@shiningjoot6369
@shiningjoot6369 11 ай бұрын
This story has a better plot then most Netflix original series
@jasonberezowski2869
@jasonberezowski2869 11 ай бұрын
Sit in the chat rooms and you'll find.just for fun ADV tournaments hosted regularly. I'm terrible at competitive pokemon but ADV ou is so interesting that I just keep playing
@tictacctical3030
@tictacctical3030 11 ай бұрын
If adv ou is the melee of competitive Pokémon what’s brawl 🧐? Probably bw honestly
@santiagoacosta3372
@santiagoacosta3372 11 ай бұрын
Gen V easily lol
@danka1167
@danka1167 11 ай бұрын
Defo gen 5
@IdentifiantE.S
@IdentifiantE.S 11 ай бұрын
Five !
@loveliescrushing
@loveliescrushing 11 ай бұрын
gen 1
@Itsrickbicth
@Itsrickbicth 11 ай бұрын
It's definitely GSC. It even has its own version of Meta Knight
@hiwrenhere
@hiwrenhere 10 ай бұрын
This video felt quite heartfelt in a way other videos didn't. This isn't to say your other videos lack heart, it's just that to me it seemed that the topic here was something you get real genuinely excited about and can talk about at length!
@Ludvix
@Ludvix 10 ай бұрын
Love it when I get a video that hits 2 of my super niche interests
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Ludvix. Love your vids!
@Flip-a-dip-dip
@Flip-a-dip-dip 11 ай бұрын
Shoutouts to the person who named all their pokémon after modest mouse songs. Absolutely epic
@LorenzotheKind
@LorenzotheKind 11 ай бұрын
As a former active member of the Melee community, I appreciate this take. The values align. Community first, organic competitive environment and embracing progress of the meta. And two fingers to Nintendo 🤭
@Clockwork_Enby
@Clockwork_Enby 11 ай бұрын
THIS IS THE GREATEST CROSS OVER OF ALL TIME Comp Pokémon and the melee community will always have solidarity ❤ lots of us play both melee and showdown :)
@alLEDP
@alLEDP 11 ай бұрын
E.g. not showering?
@maagic2031
@maagic2031 11 ай бұрын
@@alLEDP wow this joke gets funnier every time it is said
@skycrimestv7165
@skycrimestv7165 11 ай бұрын
​@@alLEDPspeaking as a melee player its always the newer generation players that smell like shit lmao
@marcus6918
@marcus6918 11 ай бұрын
@@skycrimestv7165the melee community always smelled like shit
@Sonicfan640
@Sonicfan640 11 ай бұрын
Yikes, that sounds terrible and frightening.
@BiffTheBanana
@BiffTheBanana 11 ай бұрын
Man I'm loving all this gen 3 content, it's really cool to see you continue to push it like this
@reen6022
@reen6022 11 ай бұрын
your gen 3 videos are what got me into gen 3 ou, and not only is it now my favorite ou metagame, but it has also helped me appreciate certain pokemon i like to use in the tier, such as metagross, hariyama and dusclops
@grotn_
@grotn_ 11 ай бұрын
I feel like gen 4 also has an argument for "the melee of pokemon"
@nicholascarterharris3099
@nicholascarterharris3099 11 ай бұрын
Also gen 3 music slaps
@WhyCatsCantFly
@WhyCatsCantFly 11 ай бұрын
this feels a lot like you're describing vgc as well, every turn is important, and evs are very tight
@shevankaseneviratne1724
@shevankaseneviratne1724 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing this epic metagame and all its wonderful nuances to our attention!
@yinyun2715
@yinyun2715 11 ай бұрын
Watching your gen3 ou videos has made me interested in trying out competitive pokemon again with this format
@SnackMuay
@SnackMuay 11 ай бұрын
Yugioh has one of these “lightning in a bottle” formats too. It’s called Edison Format, and it’s the metagame of April 2010.
@robthenostalgia1592
@robthenostalgia1592 11 ай бұрын
I started watching this channel for the gen 3 OU content. Gen 3 ou is the most beautiful format for competitive singles I have ever seen and as a melee player since 2015 this is truely the melee of competitive singles. Hopefully this video sparks awareness of the wonders of Gen 3 OU and that more people play not only it but Hoenn Gaiden as well, KEEP IT GOING JIM
@behemiokos414
@behemiokos414 11 ай бұрын
I played a LOT of gen 3 on netbattle when that was a thing so this video was a trip down memory lane. I always thought it kind of perfected the competitive Pokemon formula but didn't have the words to describe why, and you hit the nail on the head with the phys/special split and everything having a BP of a million. Focus Punch was ALWAYS satisfying to land.
@illustrious-jaco
@illustrious-jaco 11 ай бұрын
i love that they both are somewhat easy to pick up while having the most insane math under the hood
@antonyanez7413
@antonyanez7413 11 ай бұрын
Thanks to your channel I discovered gen 3 OU and I love it. Your videos are great but it's amazing when you talk about this gen. Idk, thanks for taking about this metagame ✨✨
@shadowing507
@shadowing507 11 ай бұрын
Great video! Dabbled in the tiniest bit of gen 3 monotype and it was very similar to how you explained... This was awesome!
@jonwind3383
@jonwind3383 11 ай бұрын
You've been making me want to try this more and more lately
@matthewibrahim626
@matthewibrahim626 11 ай бұрын
Amazing video, completely agree with the point about having less character choices but more depth and room for creativity within those options. Great comparison between games.
@calebmorales6288
@calebmorales6288 11 ай бұрын
Your description of Gen 3 OU reminds me a lot of Edison Format (2010) in the Yugioh TCG. Gen 3 was when I played most as a kid, and I will definitely go on the nostalgia trip to try the Gen 3 OU format soon!
@cookiesversuscream
@cookiesversuscream 11 ай бұрын
I think there's something to be said for how creative pursuits (or hell, any pursuit in life) are the most fulfilling and "optimal" in tandem with some sort of limitation, because the presence of that limitation is what necessitates the creativity to be used meaningfully such that you can succeed in whatever you're pursuing while staying within its bounds. By definition, limitless potential must allow for anything to be made possible, including an immediate win button, and what's the point of that?
@chess_fella
@chess_fella 11 ай бұрын
This is the type of Jimothy content that I subscribed for, ADV stuff, very epic
@vincentgaming1619
@vincentgaming1619 11 ай бұрын
Only if BW OU was actually balanced it would be the best generation. ADV OU is king i must admit.
@funkymachine
@funkymachine 11 ай бұрын
Imo bw "engine" is the best in the series mechanically
@the_plague7404
@the_plague7404 11 ай бұрын
Tbf the sleep system in BW would be fucked no matter the pokemon in the gen, plus gems are absurdly broken if used smartly
@juannaym8488
@juannaym8488 11 ай бұрын
@@funkymachine how so? I genuinenly don't know. I think perma weather and sleep being fucked make it worse mechanically than newer gens
@funkymachine
@funkymachine 11 ай бұрын
@@juannaym8488 well gen 3/4 has perma weather too, and perma sand at least is fantastic for metas. as well as a few of the modern gen changes we like while still having good things like perma weather and 6.3% crits
@the_plague7404
@the_plague7404 11 ай бұрын
@funkymachine the updated crits system is actually something that made me much happier to pick up the more modern gens. It removes alot of the rng bullshit from matches and I think have a good level of impact now where they will rarely ever flat out win you the game and can usually be played around, but can keep things interesting and some match ups to be less 100% guaranteed. I'm actually quite happy with the level of random bullshit that pokemon throws at you nowadays, with some exeptions like dire claw (and also freeze fuck freeze bring back the P:LA freeze gamefreak)
@austriangeorge5609
@austriangeorge5609 11 ай бұрын
Amazing vid, keep the ADV coverage coming! Truly a blessing for this tier 🙏
@yungtid
@yungtid 11 ай бұрын
this video is so excellent i feel it could function as an intro to gen 3 competitive
@DarthFhenix55
@DarthFhenix55 10 ай бұрын
For his Side B Dugrtrio uses a gun.
@OMGHIDE
@OMGHIDE 11 ай бұрын
Gen 3 is the generation that mainly got into competitive Pokémon. I've never understood it when I was younger but it was so much fun playing with the friends I did make during those days. I second I started learning about all the small things in the game is when it all clicked and EVERYONE in the group caught on. I just have lots of good memories with the games competitive or not.
@YellowHat07
@YellowHat07 11 ай бұрын
As someone who truly started out with Gen 3, its amazing to see that the competitive format for the generation is being kept alive and seemingly doing well. Ive always found Gen 3 to be easier to get into as theres way less to keep track of, yet still exciting due to the wide roster of pokemon you have. This was a great watch! Looking forward to seeing more gen 3 content as well as maybe even getting into it again for fun!
@Axel-kk7fr
@Axel-kk7fr 11 ай бұрын
Gen 3 will always have a special place in my heart. Nothing else quite like it.
@OpIvyPunk
@OpIvyPunk 11 ай бұрын
One other thing that makes ADV great that you didnt touch upon is the fact that Iron Mugulis hasn't been able to meddle with its meta
@Duffy_SSBM
@Duffy_SSBM 11 ай бұрын
Love this kind of crossover analysis!
@thecornhub6561
@thecornhub6561 11 ай бұрын
Your videos are what got me into playing gen 3 on smogon. I'm not the best at it, but it is so much more fun than just seeing Lado-T/Garg/Tusk 100 times
@5imian622
@5imian622 11 ай бұрын
I'm excited for Jim to reveal what we've been cooking up together >:)
@PokemonTrainerJames
@PokemonTrainerJames 11 ай бұрын
one of your better videos, a lot of passion really shines through, good job :)
@spacebiggles
@spacebiggles 11 ай бұрын
Hell yeah, I love gen 3 OU, I didn't know people still played it
@spacebiggles
@spacebiggles 11 ай бұрын
And I love it because I love focus punch
@lucillefrancois150
@lucillefrancois150 11 ай бұрын
I’ve never met someone who played ADV and thought it was bad. Met some who didn’t necessarily vibe with it, but everyone seems to think it’s at worst playable
@ohno5559
@ohno5559 5 ай бұрын
I think there's something to be said for a lack of options in general. Players don't like their options constrained in competitive games, but it can lead to greater creativity and diversity. Fewer legal options can paradoxically lead to more viable options, because it forces people to use strategies they otherwise wouldn't.
@shiningjoot6369
@shiningjoot6369 11 ай бұрын
This video made me try out Gen 3 OU and I thought I could make Choice Band Fury Cutter Scizor... I lost all 4 of my first 4 games, the first one and 3rd one I barely lost, the 2nd and 4th one I got cheesed
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 11 ай бұрын
Tbh fury cutter is bad cheese already and really won't work in any meta.
@shiningjoot6369
@shiningjoot6369 8 ай бұрын
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I just ended up using normal strategies and now even though I can't beat any people on ladder atleast none of my friends can beat me
@ntankdjdoom
@ntankdjdoom 11 ай бұрын
you inspired me to get into gen 3 ou jim, very cool!
@Shinobu968
@Shinobu968 11 ай бұрын
I noticed the modest mouse song names for those pokemon! Good band W team
@Nephyyy
@Nephyyy 11 ай бұрын
Loving all the Gen 3 content! It would be awesome to see tournaments in the colo/XD style at some point!
@Wither1224
@Wither1224 11 ай бұрын
the opponents gengar waveland off ledge for 6 frames a galint and hit me with a thunder punch at 75 and killed smh
@fobbie8385
@fobbie8385 11 ай бұрын
I've been playing ADV OU for over a year now and it's super fun and interesting. Cooking max SpA Blissey to completely stuff Gengar because I was terrible at team building was a really interesting idea that worked surprisingly well.
@Souliv3
@Souliv3 11 ай бұрын
Came to learn about Gen 9 competitive, stayed for the gen 3 videos even though I don't even play that format. They're just so interesting
@Eclipsmon8421
@Eclipsmon8421 11 ай бұрын
When I played gen 3 OU with a random team of pokemon I heard were pretty good, but fit my playstyle, I was shocked how much fun I had, and it eventually became my favorite generation to play.
@Dewy3739
@Dewy3739 11 ай бұрын
Jimothy! I love your content!! Your narration reminds of Alt Shift X. You have so much wisdom and game knowledge. Plus your intro skits are hilarious. One of my new favorite poke KZfaqrs. Keep it up dawg.
@AnEveryManJack
@AnEveryManJack 11 ай бұрын
I started following competitive Pokemon in Gen 4, and haven't played since Gen 7. I always heard that Gen 3 was great, but it was never explained like this to me. My understanding was just a lack of powerful moves and no phys/spec split meant it was more balanced away from sweeping. I never heard about the variety and risk/reward plays in the gen 3. It's way more interesting than I thought. Great video!
@mire_cs
@mire_cs 11 ай бұрын
wow, now this is an unexpected but appreciated crossover
@mirageowl
@mirageowl 11 ай бұрын
I love that someone is talking about my favourite metagame
@algar6616
@algar6616 11 ай бұрын
Melee melee melee! Thanks for giving the scene some algo love
@ExquisitePeas
@ExquisitePeas 11 ай бұрын
The modest mouse references are sick
@jimothycool
@jimothycool 11 ай бұрын
That was SEA's team from a recent CI set. He's got good taste!
@ExquisitePeas
@ExquisitePeas 11 ай бұрын
@@jimothycool hell yeah he do
@ArthDragon14
@ArthDragon14 11 ай бұрын
Very nice crossover, love melee and pokemon, good taste!
@rubeng9092
@rubeng9092 11 ай бұрын
The fact that explosion always ends the turn even if it doesnt kill, makes for so many cool plays
@cherryb0ng
@cherryb0ng 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love that you made this into a video. I always thought this to be true.
@jeffethegamingadvocate2821
@jeffethegamingadvocate2821 11 ай бұрын
I run a melee tournament every Tuesday and play gen 4 ou while waiting for people to finish their matches. I see how gen 3 is more melee-like but I love the comparison in general. Cool video
@manlikevirus
@manlikevirus 11 ай бұрын
This is probably your best video ever Mr Jim. Good job
@user-86291
@user-86291 11 ай бұрын
One mention of melee and I'm gen 3 pilled haha. Sick vids.
@Kyeuss
@Kyeuss 11 ай бұрын
I used to joke “Melee is for adults” and now I see how the same goes for Gen 3.
@armaldoaster97
@armaldoaster97 11 ай бұрын
Are there any resources someone willing to get into this very old scene can look into to get a jump start?
@griffin8762
@griffin8762 11 ай бұрын
I love ur occasional adv ou gushing videos, jim 😍😍 the money got different
@wario1226
@wario1226 11 ай бұрын
Up until gen 4, every game was planned to be the last. Game freak had no idea how long they could keep pokemon successful. Part of me likes to think they intentionally made gen 3 so well crafted for PVP because they wanted it to live forever. They wanted to make something that would outlive the brand popularity. Despite pokemon going stronger than ever, I still believe they succeeded in that assumed goal. Gen 3 could pass the Melee test; emerald will see play long after pokemon games stop coming out.
@austinarcher90
@austinarcher90 11 ай бұрын
another reason why melee has survived this long is because of the players and storylines. i wonder if you did some videos about that it would attract more players. like the smash doc but for gen3 OU. who’s the mang0 of gen3 OU? the hungrybox? the leffen? just curious. great video!
@aubueruser7228
@aubueruser7228 11 ай бұрын
Well, there’s BKC…
@yourdagan
@yourdagan 11 ай бұрын
Nobody outside of the few people who do play in the tournaments cares who anyone is. The tournaments are not like Melee tournaments in attracting high levels of spectatorship and coverage. There's this dichotomy where people who do follow tournaments say only tournaments matter, but the vast majority of the playerbase only play on ladder and don't even care or acknowledge who's high ranking or who isn't. This is a "love of the game" game where you will mostly exist in your own little world unless you immerse yourself in the smogon bubble, which again, most people do not. There are some personalities and recognizable names, but you only get recognized for winning all the time, or for bringing something unconventional and succeeding with it. I suppose that's hardly different from Melee fame.
@Petsinwinter2
@Petsinwinter2 11 ай бұрын
It's kinda funny how Gen 3 and Melee were both the latest gen game at the same time
@elSteeler
@elSteeler 11 ай бұрын
ADV for life. I remember the Netbattle days...
@DGFTardin
@DGFTardin 11 ай бұрын
I don't care for gen 3 ou, but you reminded me to go back to my Emerald playthrough, thanks
@Heartache2491
@Heartache2491 11 ай бұрын
I won't lie, you make me wanna try out Gen 3 OU :) If I had the time to really get into it, I would
@mattabrams3841
@mattabrams3841 11 ай бұрын
Great video! I think the physical/special split is really down to preference for competitive, and like you said, meta is more important. Though I think for playthroughs of the game, it was a necessary change. So many more pokemon are much more pleasant to use.
@nataledesposito2075
@nataledesposito2075 11 ай бұрын
I have recently given a try to gen 3ou , it is a lot of fun , it also gives me the impression that mixed attackers are really valuable instead of the new generation in which they have a lot of flaws compared to mono stats attackers , also it opens my mind to a whole different mentality in team building , definitely worth it
@_Majunior
@_Majunior 11 ай бұрын
Oh shit, I didn't know you had melee content. I subbed for random Pokemon stuff I don't understand. This, this I understand
@robertspearman8008
@robertspearman8008 11 ай бұрын
Now I gotta know who Jimothy mains in melee lol
@MatoVidovic_
@MatoVidovic_ 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, never played competitive 6v6 pkmn until end of X/Y so i never felt that attracted to gen prior to gen4 (phy/spec split + prefered gen4 as an old gen in itself). But this video brought to light a good ammount of intersting perks. I dont think i'll play it, given im already bad enough with modern team building and simpler ev spreads, but i'll at least watch more content about it !!
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