I hate nancy more than the anything in the show

Of course people love him more. A rich white guy compare to poor white trash.

I mean, Jonathan has been written into a corner. He's not really a good fit for Nancy. It's one of those things where if we look at the story within a movie or even within 1 season, people can look at the two of them and think that they would be great together. But, whenever you actually put them together you can see that they aren't good together. To be fair, that's kind of what dating is about. You think someone is perfect for you but whenever you're actually with each other, you realize that may not be the case. It is really well written from a realistic standpoint.

Damn straight, he deserves someone better than Nancy 😂

I disagree

I mean Jonathan was stalking Nancy and him taking pictures of them. Jonathan was a creep

@@alexanderguerrero347 I agree. But Steve was the better man because he admitted he was wrong, which Jonathan didn’t do.

to be fair, highschool kids r fkn stupid and make dumb decisions. yes it was pretty fkn creepy at first but his character development made it easier to accept @@alexanderguerrero347

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Exactly, Steve was (and still is) my favorite character since season 1 because he was very human, he made mistakes but then he was humble enough to try to make up for them. I don’t understand how Jonathan and Nancy became a fan favourite since, like the other person said, he was stalking her and taking private pictures of her. Total creep.

Pair* Pare lolol

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They are awesome and then when Eddie joined them in Season 4, they were an epic trio. I love how Dustin is a king nerd and Steve has no knowledge of need culture at all

The most accidental great character ever lol

Golden TV moments every time they appear on screen together

I absolutely love it when a writer can make me hate a character and dismiss them as a stereotypical antagonist, and then eventually turn them around so much they become my absolute favorite character in the series. Steve is definitely the shining example of this. Another character who portrayed this, albeit to a lesser extent imo, is Vegeta from Dragon Ball Z/Super, who also ended up being one of my absolute favorite characters in that series, especially after the end of the Dragonball Super anime.

@misssniperella. Steve, Vegeta and Jamie Lannister. Top 3 best examples of this in all of TV imo

They either had to redeem him or get eid of him. It kinda reminds me of how I hated Darryl during the first season of TWD, but then he became my favourite from the second onward

Steve and Max hard carried the fourth season for me, one was a jerk and the other wasn’t even there in season one….

I love how he gets better then you get to see what he could have been, like Billy or the head jock in season 4. Steve hates that he was a jerk and stopped being a jerk.

He has no identity tho, no real life outside the crew, that's why they dumbed him down some, to keep him codependent

@@honorwithoutlaw that's exactly what it means, he has no focus, yet other characters get to move on in different directions....the show doesn't know what to do with him

I wish shows did it more often. Look how great in worked in Friends.

@@ninjanibba4259 I'd say they have no idea what to do with Jonathan actually, also emphasising he could be a main to die - - him and nancy are breaking down, they don't even want the same future anymore - at the end of season 4 it was clear jancy are just hanging on so wouldn't be surprised if they're over off screen - jonathan was almost pointless in 4 - the stancy love triangle is reopening - ultimately nancy will have to chose steve or jonathan and she won't. Meaning one of them will most likely die, unlikely to be steve as its too much trauma for dustin I dont see it happening. Therefore it's probably gonna be jonathan to end the love triangle

@@ninjanibba4259 evil ass pfp

It literally drives me crazy that she got with the dude taking creeper shots of her

righttt like I would break that camera too💀

@@sophiaderrick7550they literally took the scene of Johnathan taking pictures of Nancy out of the first season to make it work better 😭😭 and to new watchers Steve breaks the camera for no reason

The first time I watched the show I was flabbergasted at this.

So true

Felt forced

What felt forced? Robin being lesbian? Steve thinking Tammy sounds like a muppet and Robin can do better? Steve being accepting in general even though its well established that he's changed? @@ninjanibba4259

@@ninjanibba4259Or maybe, just maybe youre just homophobic. I could be wrong tho.

@@aarnejaroma homophobic or not, it was forced

​@@ninjanibba4259why would u think it was forced

i was not cheering for jonathan he was a creep

I actually really like Steve and Jonathan, people say Jonathan does not have a story but he cares for his family, mostly his brother and even if I didn't like the time we lost with Argile in season four I think the whole being a stoner now is how Jonathan is coping with wanting to be with Nancy and not wanting to leave his family and all the drama of being 18 and having survived 3 seasons of supernatural stuff happening in his life. On the other hand, Nancy is the one that does not grow at all. She was always selfish and did not give a damn that her brother's best friend had disappeared until the same happened to her in season one, in season two she cheats on Steve and in season three she only cares about what she wants and her career aspirations, people love to talk about how Jonathan did not take her interest in being a journalist seriously but she also does not respect his job as photographer, you can see it in the scenes she keeps opening the door to the photography lab and ruining his work. So I really would love to have neither of them being together cause Nancy and Jonathan do not work anymore and she does not deserve Steve.

@@jessica.janpaskotalk yo shit

​​@@willowweeperhonestly it's kinda disturbing how the show just excused him peeping on Nancy like that. His motivation not being sexual doesn't change what he was actually doing.

That’s the way underdog stories always go. I love them as much as the next guy, but to give a football example the Patriots were a joke franchise and Brady was a 6th round pick, no one would ever expect them to be successful, let alone the most successful team ever. At the end of Brady’s time in New England everyone hated him. Underdog to oppressor real quick, it shows how ultimately meaningless that trope is if it’s the source of value

I think people may be confusing steve and billy when they do this. like as much as I like the actor, the billy character was extremely dangerous and volatile. if he hadn't gotten torn apart by the monster he would've ended up in prison eventually lol

Exactly and he hates what he sees in the mirror. So he owns up and steps up.

@@monkeygoesbananas Billy was in a much more traumatic home situation too. Even though he was much worse and deserved what he got, we mustn't forget that other people go through terrible things to come out that horrible and some people have a lower threshold than us of what they can handle mentally.

Who says that though? I don't really see people say that.

I always liked Steve even when season 1 came out.

i did this with my partner when we watched the show in the past month lol, they had only watched maybe half of season 1 to start with before dropping it years ago, so when i told them that steve was my number one favorite (with hopper a SUPER close second), they were hella confused on why steve's mean ass was my favorite lmfao, and then the ending of s1/through s2 was when it clicked for them hehe

Arcs* You're not talking about Noah and his ark.

Ash really does embody the whole, "Not the hero they need, but the one they got." type of character. And I suppose that when you look at who SHOULD be protecting the kids(that being someone like Hopper), Steve is definitely not the first choice, but fills his role well. Definitely my two favorite characters in the genre. Dead by Daylight is lucky to have had the chance to involve them.

Yeah it’s a tough one. His backstory is certainly tragic but he actions are still unacceptable

Once we found out why he is the way he is and we really see him I wanted a redemption for him so so badly. And I really believe he would have been capable of it, but just wasn't given enough time. I get it. Steve was supposed to be a human antagonist and that ended up changing so they brought Billy into fulfill that. We didn't get enough development for me to say I really love the character as his behavior is unacceptable and could be a genuinely scary and dangerous person, but I really felt for him after seeing that depth of character. I think he still had that goodness in him and the ending he got still hurt my heart.

I think people overlooked his character all together. He had so many layers. People call him a racist bully yet he was never racist. He hated lucas because his first introduction to him reminded him of his dad. Lucas and max was arguing. If Billy was racist he wouldn't hide it by being vague. He would be direct with it. Billy was forced to kill people which we see him crying and apologizing for in the sauna. Out of all the hive minded people billy was the first one to break away from that sacrificing himself to save eleven. Billy treated people like his dad treated him yet you see small hints that there was more to him.

@@russellballard6473 Yes! It was clear that he wasn't in control of his actions when he was being used to kill people. I should edit my comment that I wasn't referring to that. A scene that really sticks with me still is when he was driving with max and he started going super fast, obviously scaring her. And the aggression when he grabbed her wrist when talking about Lucas. We see that cycle of abuse continuing- that's absolutely the same way his dad treats him and if it continues, he could end up being a dangerous person to be around. But there's so much more there.

​@@russellballard6473he was absolutely racist. You don't have to say racist things to be racist. Not trusting someone for being black is racist. That's enough to know that he's racist, though the writers even originally wanted him to call Lucas a slur but neither actor involved was comfortable with that.

yeah that’s how i felt when i rewatched season 1 he was always kind of a decent dude until he found out johnathan was being a creep and whatnot

Lol I can just imagine you watching this video and yelling "EXACTLY" at the screen. It's so satisfying when your point in proven!

I find it interesting that deep down he really is a kind person, but couldn't really let it show because of- well- highschoolers.

The camera breaking was kinduv fair because the picture of Nancy still wasn't okay to take.

"That's why we are best friends" my heart melted, I wish you many, many amazing years with your daughter

That’s adorable

@@edsp666 Thank you so much! Thats very kind

Hahaha. Nice.

Also, that bat "flip" cemented his bad-assness.

Same they made season 3 my favorite because of that ❤️

Yeah, I'm considering warning my neighbors when the season comes out. Just in case, so if they hear any blood curdling screams they won't call the police.

Just cause he is a fan favourite is already a good enough reason to kill him off. Im sick of the "bullet proof vest" that makes likeable characters untouchable.

@@greyLeicester the writers have shown that they're not above killing likable characters. Eddie bit the dust after one of the most epic scenes in the series after all

@@MrMeh23 Eddie was a way for them to cheat and have their cake and eat it too. They were able to have their "Dustin holds his older mentor in his arms as he dies a hero" moment with Eddie, so now they don't have to do it with Steve. If they do it now, it's just going to be a retread of the Eddie scene which would be lame.

@@MrMeh23 lol the writers are cowards, the fact that Max or nobody else in the main cast died is proof enough

They most likely will, since he was originally supposed to die in Season 1

That makes sense, for me i just felt bad that he didn't get that chance to do so. I'm sure that's just a me thing😅. They gave a us a reason as to why he is the way he is, it doesn't make any of it ok but understanding the reason gives you some kind of hope that he can change(until he dies of course). Again that might just be me though 😅

@@theartoforangehat Billy's actions simply made more sense after the reveals. It doesn't justify the way he's treated Max and others of course, but like any human, since when is any person ever fully "redeemed"? It's a lot more human to have mixed feelings about it. It's hard for people to fully hate Billy when he literally gave his life for someone he barely even knew, something we didn't even know he was capable of. Taking his only moment of vulnerability and showing what's really going through his mind a little. Knowing his mother was the only one who seemed to care about him but ended up abandoning him to stay with his abusive father, leaves some really heavy and conflicting emotional wounds that are extremely difficult to heal. I still think the other stuff he willingly did to bully and hurt Max is terrible though.

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