In the real game Talion held off the forces of darkness in Mordor and himself for decades I believe it’s 30 years or more. but in this disgusting excuse for a DLC. he held he off for less than 24 hours. making his sacrifice in vain. she greatly speed up the process. another reason to hate The traitor

@@iramosv7al415 Bro if shes the main character in the next one, i will not be able to play it. 😭

@@IllIlI478 For us normal people would never buy it

Ngl, the cheesiness of that line really took me out of it.

*flashbacks of fleetway sonic

Ye i would say he was all ready falling but seeing her made him fall faster

Madness is like gravity, all it takes is a little push. -Joker.

​@@Lupah hell no, Talion is a hero. The poor bastard didn't fall he was pushed off a cliff and left to rot and die.

@@amirhaikal6672they’re implying that Talion … “descent” from grace was rather forced upon, not of his own will or decisions. He burdened himself for decades to fight off mordor to buy the people of Middle Earth time. His fall to succumbing to his ring and the Nazgûl was an inevitability. Hence a “push” (ie an an exterior force) led to said downfall

that.. Is a great point and feel a bit silly for not thinking of that, like he does not need to die at all

Hey, he did ask her to kill him if it came down to it.

@@finnover9781 that is after he took the nazgul ring, which she and prince cali forced him to do

@@razagan1343 Ah, but Celebrimbor coerced Eltariel into taking the New Ring in the first place. Besides, giving Talion that ring would've ultimately corrupted him just like the Nazgul ring did

@@finnover9781 still a dick move

Talion was just too weak to resist the power of the ring, btw he was dead a loooong time ago, this could have been his last duty (but weak in the end - like Frodo)

@@janmoravek820 He spent over 50 years alone with the Ring whispering on his mind, worsening his already declining sanity and feeding his bitterness and depression. The man was stronger then you might consider. Especially since he was using a ring supposed to control humans, AND he was right in Sauron's turf.

@@justabraziliandragonborn3642 And he was MAN, a HUMAN, one of the most vulnerable races to the corruption of the ring. Like, shit, Talion is a fucking badass.

​@@mateoleisbravo5991and I think I know how he resisted the rings influence because he had a strong will to protect others and he give his life and the only he falled was Eltariel because she remained him what she and Celebrimbor did to him and that's why he broke

TBH I was offended by the self righteousness of her character in the game. her DLC was terrible.

That says a lot about the elf's of Mordor.

That's the saddest part that Shitty Radbad was the most loyal towards Talion

​@@red_guy123 isn't Eltariel a woodland elf?

Elves more like, since Calebrimbor was also a elf so 2 freaking elves that betrayed him

Can never trust those pointy eared fucks

it was her AND celebrimbor the liar and betrayer

@@Shauny7488 Always the fucking elves.

Exactly

Its true the elf and celebrimbor himself is a traitor and the elf but now. We ARE the nazgul

Also, she spent the entire game not trusting Celebrimbor and his ring, but the second he offers it to her she puts it on without hesitation and leaves Tailon for dead even though he was doing far more to stop Sauron. And She and Celebrimbor failed to stop Sauron, tries to kill Tailon again while he is still doing everything in his power to hold Sauron back for sixty years (which by the way, why did it take her so long to get to Tailon). Seriously, this is why I love dwarfs, most of them don’t do shit like this.

Really upset me when I saw people saying the story was bad. Like yeah you could say it was ok or predictable but “just bad”?

​@@ybfromoblock3381 I think it's bad since Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War Talion feel like different people. The first one would probably just accept death in Gorgoroth and move on to his family, the second guy however... Why'd he even release Isildur from undeath? Since when a guy who probably made the worst mistake in Middle-Earths is deserving forgiveness?

​@@NiCoNiCoNiColaisildur isnt a bad guy, game isnt canon and the movies did him dirty

​@@einfachignorieren6156, Isildur isnt bad in movies and games. He is a man seduced by the one ring. Boromir,Frodo,Sam,Gollum, Galadriel...all were seduced by that evil ring. Isildur was a good king with human flaws.

Plus, she picked up that ring WITHOUT HESITATION

Yea there’s no reasoning or sense behind her words. He truly fought that war alone. Even though it goes against what he thinks about it. “Celebrimbor’s lust for power clouded his vision. And yet I miss him. No war should be fought alone.”

@@Jonkerimiah Celebrimbor also left him without hesitation. Typical Elves.

But eltariel said “I’m sorry this is the only way”. Also technically Talion wasn’t supposed to be a nazgul it’s shelobs fault she messed with the future by showing Talion.

@@somnus7959 Elves can't be trusted

He does I believe because before this in the main campaign he becomes one with the nine and died to the volcano

That is exactly what happens, but maybe not killing Eltariel

Yes well she doesn't die but he lives till the end of lord of the rings

In mine, this was a moment where he slipped his control, understandable since this woman stabbed him in the back with the thing that was keeping him alive lol but after being killed by her, he cames back to his senses when he rises again, keeping a tighter lid on the jar this time around, working hard for decades until he fell for real.

that’s literally not how the definition of head canon works moron. That’s purely fanfiction 🤣

Yeah, it's a jarring plothole. They could've just adressed it like: "Talion is already corrupted too much to wear the Pure Ring without corrupting it too."

@@monkeycat6408 that's a plausible reason why he didn't asked it back.

@@monkeycat6408 im pretty sure she was just selfish

she didn't want to lose her two fingers LOL

@@monkeycat6408 Yeah and/or they could have made it clear that even if Eltariel was willing to give up the New Ring, Talion wasn't going to stop wearing his Nazgul ring. He would have just worn both, rationalising it as a required power boost, and believing that the New Ring would offset Sauron's corruption from the Nazgul ring, which would guarantee that eventually, he would willingly hand the New Ring over to Sauron.

A Talion is someone from Italy. *Ba-dum tsh*

Bro pulls out the shadow strike

Although I view the elf in the wrong this cut scene almost makes it. I love this fall from grace, it shows how the ring grabs onto those negative emotions and amplifies them until it can take over

Think of it as two separate timelines. The Talion from the main game’s ending held off the hordes of Mordor and the rings influence for decades before succumbing. In the BoG dlc here he just gives in to his anger and bitterness from the betrayal almost immediately after interacting with Eltariel. To me it’s a completely different narrative. So it’s up to you the player which you prefer more and which is your head canon. As far as I’m concerned he never saw Eltariel again after her betrayal, to me the main game is canon and as Shelob narrated at the end he fought his war for decades. It’s not like there’ll be a third game anytime soon or ever. The devs that made these two middle earth games have decided to take their nemesis system into some new Wonder Woman game. Kind of random if you ask me. But hey, maybe it’ll be good. The only reason I even remotely enjoyed this DLC was to play as Eltariel and break up the monotony with a unique and different combat style. I actually like her fluid and graceful elf dual wielding combat style. And the DLC is for those who strictly want to play the game hunting orc captains instead having to consider branding them etc. The Baranor DLC is just to give you a challenge and something new. You only have one life, and there’s a score system, to see if you can beat your own score. It’s more a speed record thing, if that’s your vibe, plus the unique new mechanics. But each is their own separate game, with its own canon. Talion’s timeline. Eltariel’s timeline, and Baranor’s timeline. Notice at the end of Baranor’s game, him and Serka the leader of the mercenaries destroy Lithlad’s fort so no one can ever use it again. There’s no reference to that in Talion’s main game. You can play in Lithlad normally like in any other map and conquer or defend the fort like normal. So,.....to me it’s like a multiverse thing. Each playable character’s arc is its own seowrarev timeline/universe. Create you’re own canon with each as you play. Or “role play”.

​@@Cr1ms0nRav3n I think it could work if Eltariel's DLC happened barely before Hobbit or maybe even the Lord of the Rings (although, it's kinda weird cause the games are sort of based on the movies, not entirely on books) I'm pretty sure devs themselves said that Talion died when the One Ring was casted into the fires of Mount Doom, then and there Talion finally got his peace (although, doesn't really work with Celebrimbor and Sauron fighting for control)

Cant spell selfish without elf

@@amazingturtle5075wasn’t a fall it was a push.

It's funny that the brutish and disgusting orcs have been the ones there for Talion more than any other character, some of them do betray him but there are ones that will save him during moments of death.

​@@modeus4652not to mention people Talion might even call friend, like Ratbag.

And on top of it all, there's the rare few orcs that die in combat only to cheat death and CONTINUE to serve Talion. The orcs, for as vile and disgusting as they are, were the best and most supportive characters in the whole game.

… Oh god I just realized that throughout the entire game. The forces of Sauron were more friends to Talion than Celebrimbor or Eltarel ever were. Yes they were trying to kill him. But they also helped him while they were killing him. Even gave him a chance to continue fighting after being backstabbed and welcomed him with open arms once he was tired from all the fighting. Yes they did kill him a billion times. But all of those deaths were stabs at the front.

Hell even the Witch King and the other ringwraiths gave him brotherhood.

Facts

But by becoming a Nazgul, he loses his free will. Therefore, he still has no control over his fate.

⁠@@AysaMetricI know it’s a year later but becoming a Nazgul kinda symbolizes death since they are literally just vessels it wouldn’t be talion anymore basically just a body controlled by the witchking of him losing his will is basically him dying

​@@AysaMetricsad but true But at least he did it willingly. Unlike celebrimbor who forcefully wouldn't let talion to die in peace with his family.

"Ain't that what people say spaghetti is?"

im pretty sure she left and came back decades later, its why he says he's fought the war alone. The game doesnt really do a good job of showing the passage of time

@@Shauny7488 i’m pretty sure she didn’t

It was 70 Years until his Soul fell

​​@@nabidisla.5086Makes you wonder, if this whole time Minas Ithil was under allied occupation, where the heck was gondor? I mean in 70 Years would not somebody try to reestablish a garrison at one of your most important cities, which even holds a palantir. In the lore the siege was sudden, because cirith ungol was taken by betrayal. And after falling, Gondor was not able to retake the city. But in this timeline Talion holds off mordor, giving Gondor enough breathing room to reestablish defenses and bolster the citys garrison.

​@@florianbarkowski6856that's the part I also never understood

The Witch King never betrayed Talion with his Nāzgul brothers

Both Talion and Elatriel would've been corrupted eventually. Eltariel faltered from her mission already due to seeking power and going against Sauron instead of the Nazgul. She did this because she thought she had the power. The New Ring already corrupted her. Talion was corrupted slowly once his mission started to falter and he got betrayed. In the end Talion is just a human and will eventually get corrupted. They never should've created another ring of power, but that's not what Celebrimor wanted. Talion's time was running out either way. Still don't like the idea that Celebrimor is able to hold his own against Sauron. Celebrimor should've been absorbed by Sauron.

​@@johnbishop9621 that aint even the point Talion while having isildurs ring held back Sauron for 60-80 years he did that by as he says in his quotes keeping the balance in mordor betwen Minas Morgul and Bara dur he fought the armies of sauron and the nazgul while also fighting isildurs ring which was constantly trying to take hold of him. Now imagine if she just gave him the New ring which as we know is pure and stronger, if that happened then Talion would have been able to hold mordor even longer by the events of lotr Talion would have been still around bein a major help for our heroes arguably same scale as Gandalf, due to his position and political power in mordor. All this could have happened if she had just given him the ring which she didnt even need bu I understand that for the universe to make sence Talion and celebrimbor had to be eliminated from the story I just dont like how they did it the writting of this scene is just bad it did Talion so wrong

Facts 😢🖤🖤💔🐈‍⬛👻

What about all those orcs and captains and ologs helping him on his merry way?

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola You would have a point but he had to use magic on them to get there help.

@@BryerTheGreater1 well, that depends. Most regular orcs are just loyal to Talion, only captains, warchiefs and overlords are under direct control

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola Helping him, and being forced to help him. otherwise decapitation, are two different things They didnt wanna help him in the first place, they were brainwashed to, that doesnt make them allies, it makes them slaves

She’s a complete hypocrite

Yep worst dlc ever released for a game

@@nabidisla.5086 No.

I think we all know your opinion and we all agree with it!!

Indeed, we all know who's better

I'd agree, but cyan Bright Lord colour better than weird greenish blacking nazgul one

Truly a moment where Talion of Gondor decides to cook meth with Ratbag

"I AM THE ONE WHO DOMINATES" Speaking of Ratbag, he's literally the only orc who's aligned with Talion who wasn't Dominated.

Daaamn you are right

Same here

Be a weak, nearly useless against non regular humans ghost? Movies may have showed us Nazgul as badass rignwraiths, but they're actually pretty weak. Hell, all of them except for Talion and maybe the Witch King are weak in sunlight

You know it’s messed up when the dark lord, nazgul and a cowardly orc are more loyal to you than an elf spirit who you have fought beside for years and an elf with the power of a flashlight sent by Galadriel

She had a poor choice of words

Good point

U should

He isn’t cannon

Alternate theory: The Talion we play who uses all those moves is a complex person, able to think and adapt to situations in unusual ways. The Nazgul are basically puppets of Sauron, manifestations of his reach and will. The people they were are no more, the bodies the use, the voices they speak with, the things they tell of... all a mockery, a twisted echo of already broken minds. Nazgul Talion isn't as powerful because he's spent years being stripped of basically everything he was. This reduces him to being about on par with all the other Nazgul. Something else to note is that in places like the Shire, the Nazgul are far from the evil and the sorcery of mordor. Could it he that the distance is so great they have no access to their more... devastating powers?

@@centric3125 that's true

What do you mean? Is it because there are no drakes in minas morgul? He definitely rode it from the other area like nurnen. And not to mention he has the ability to summon a drake

@@bojangles4398 i mean like you cant summon a drake at minas morgus.

Morgul*

@@coolraptor16 I haven't played the game in a long time so I forgot about not being able to use drake in minas morgul. But yeah my first point about him riding it from a different location still stands

Both Talion and Celebrimbor were right in their own way. Both let emotions take hold of them. If Celebrimbor let Talion kill Sauron's physical form, then they both could dominate the energy left of the Dark Lord and afterwards dominate the entire Mordor and rule it with an iron hand. Obviously a better ending couldn't happen without breaking the canonicity of Lord of the Rings book

It is

The problem with games with their own character protagonist is that players see them as an extension of themselves, not as a separate character. Also don't get how people don't consider this canon when it fits and actually caps off what Talion really felt about the betrayal.

None of it is canon. Its not Tolkiens books

But she could have given him the new ring led him to Minas Morgul then killed him at his request before taking the new ring back to continue fighting the orcs/Nazgul/Sauron. Doing this would have allowed her to keep using the light of Galadriel, not have Talion fall, and let him die on his own terms.

@@backupaccount6341 yes but she would bleeding and in pain like the whole time they would travel to minas morgul and that’s a long way. Wouldn’t be a very fun trip

@@mrhappeh6067 She could cover the wounds to limit the bleeding and yes it would be a very long and painful trip but she wouldn't have to deal with Nazgul Talion and would have given him the death he wanted. (and after everything that she and Celebrimbor put him through I think she could handle it)

@@backupaccount6341 But middle earth isn’t very advanced when it comes to wounds like that so it may not limit the bleeding that much, besides we all know Talion is a legend if we had not known he turned evil we would probably assume he’d be ok. And put yourself in Eltariels shoes would you really be willing to ride that whole trip to Minas Morgul bleeding and in immense pain

​@@mrhappeh6067 Yes, i would if is this man i Will do it

Totally understand

Cel still abandoned talion in his thirst for power el left talion to die Talion wanted to die on his own terms not bleeding out on some godforsaken bridge Cel was using talion for his own (s)elfish means oh and also they were bound together by the black bois

@@thechicken1108 cause there were a mission to take... and btw again... Talion died already on Black Gate so if he wanted to be so much with his family - his mission was already done - somebody more capable took it

​@@thechicken1108 yes, but didn't Talion motivate Celebrimbor to fight Sauron at the end ot Shadow of Mordor? Our not so Bright Lord kinda gave up after defeating Black Hand

Its silly and this game has nothing to do with Tolkien's lore or universe. Plus the dark forces don't act stupidly.

I don't know if there is even going to be a next game😭

Because she do not trust him fully after what he choose ever since betrayed by Celebrimbor and since Elthariel follow orders from Galadriel she must’ve having complications

@@LexiaKazu if i were Talion I would kill her and took the Ring for myself and hold mordor back

In the main game dude

Did you beat the actual game or just the dlc? Because the story explains itself

Ah, yes, a relationship of "she betrayed me and stole my grandfather" and "he is an undead warlord and part time villain"

None of it is canon.

Blade of Galadriel DLC. You play as Eltariel the elf assassin.

This is part of the blade of galadriel dlc

and the main part of it is to take down talion

Ok it isn't great but me personally I would not call it trash..respect the opinion tho

Just like he carried all of Mordor