Great show as always guys! If I could make a suggestion, I would love to see a show where you all talk about your top horror hosts and how they might have introduced certain films that you now love. Just a thought... Keep it going.

@@vinniegiordano3243 Hi there. Can you clarify-what do you mean by horror hosts? I'm assuming you might mean guys like Zacherly, etc, but wanted to check. Personally, I rarely watched any of these, and discovered all my favorite horror films by reading books, magazines, word of mouth, etc.

@@seaoftranquilityprog And we didn't have them here.

@@vinniegiordano3243 No local horror host here as I recall. Did grow up with Elvira and Joe Bob Briggs though. I was watching Joe Bob on the Movie Channel before "Monstervision" on TNT. Love the guy.. and who doesn't love Elvira?

@@seaoftranquilityprog any horror host from Joe Bob to Commander USA. It’s a shame if you never had that experience. Horror hosts are a rather fun way to watch some cheesy horror flicks

It's the ultimate irony - these things now get world class treatment in the UK from Arrow, 88 and the likes!

I did the same back in the 90s'Chas Balun,Video Search Of Miami,Video Wasteland etc

Hey, Cheers as always Trev!

I should have mentioned her famous "I don't to see them to know what they're like" nonsense. Or the judge who said when told one nasty was "well staged if not a good idea" "SO WAS THE NAZI INVASION OF POLAND" - not sure there's an equivalence, M'lud! On one hand I find it hard to hate Mary Whitehouse, she wasn't fake, she believed she was helping. Yet at the same time I think her mindset gave rise to this awful notion of shy conservatism and she put back public discourse for years.

@@DavysFlicks Yes, although she had, perhaps just by associations as similar groups tend to create support networks, connections with quite staunch far-right tendencies within conservatism both in Britain and abroad. No doubt that she genuinely believed in what she saw as her mission, but it added toxicity to public life, especially in her ongoing campaign against gay culture, and a degree of ignorance, as evidenced by the Video Nasty campaign.

@@Drinckx2 Yes, suffice to say I didn't want to get TOO political on Pete's channel but the line between this stuff and fascism is thin. Paved with good intentions etc.

How did you lose your virginity Mary Long? When will you lose your stupidity Mary Long?

A pleasure!

cheers!

Thanks my man!

Cheers pal!

I've found there's been massive interest in the video nasties from the non UK horror community. It directly affected the Australian horror scene, for example, as much if what was banned in the UK was banned also in Oz. Oh, the movies themselves weren't completely banned. They were allowed to ve viewed in Private Members Clubs, which were frequented by non council estate riff raff, as the upper class who frequented such establishments considered themselves intellectually superior to the average Sun reader, so would be able to understand the films.....

@@VampireJack10 That's also how cinemas like the Scala escaped issues. You had to be a "member" (which cost at various points, one penny or a smile) - then they were a "club" not just a cinema, so could show things the BBFC banned. Just shows the hypocrisy, that they don't REALLY care that people can see things. They care that the right sort of people get whipped to vote a certain way, that papers are sold and that small distributors don't mess with the big boys.

Thanks!

Great episode, that one

Davy…I’ve seen prob 25 of them. Looked at list on wiki during pandemic and watched a bunch. Didn’t realize there’s like 60+?!

Of the 72 officially banned, I've seen......all 72. It's a rite of passage for us British horror fans who grew up around it. Lot's of tape trading went on back in the day!😂

The newspapers tried it again in the UK back in the 90s when they tried to blame the murder of toddler Jamie Bulger (R.I.P.) by two 10 year old boys, on Child's Play 3. It was a crime that horrified Britain, which was jumped on by the same politicians who brought in the original bans. The newspapers were calling for the banning of not just horror movies, but ALL movies that were not PG f.f s.! It wasn't until it was pointed out that Schindler's List would be banned that they saw common sense.

Still happens to this day. Some examples of films and albums: First three Cannibal Corpse albums, a couple of the last ones. Most of their albums have censored covers, 5 you can't find on streaming services, three of their albums are on the index and two even banned overall and collected by the authorities - in the 90s and 2010s mind you. Strangely enough one of the available ones got rereleased and banned and one of the banned ones got rereleased and not banned. Some say it's because of the covers, but CC are forbidden to play any material from these albums. They tried to play them instrumentally, but even that ended in a huge outcry and they stopped performing these songs alltogether. Certain politicians even go to their concerts themselves to make sure they don't play anything nasty. They even contacted them throughout the decades. CC just laughs it off but has to stick to the guidelines nonetheless. The authorities weren't even that thorough - to my knowledge you can get 98% of nasty death metal, grindcore, covers lyrics and all, but CC is the devil and they're still prosecuted to this day. Violence Unimagined also had a censored cover. Another strange example are the Evil dead films, both the old ones and the 2013 one. The last one got distributed far and wide both in cinemas, videostores and at the advent of streaming but it was banned after most people already seen it. After 35-40 years the band on the originals were lifted, after it was unthinkable they'll ever get distributed even 15 years ago.

@@VampireJack10 The Bulger case was another disgusting example, though later than the Nasties. I touched on it during our Child's Play ranking. That the scum press used, frankly, one of the tamer films to say "that's what did it" is one reason - among many - the red tops and Torygraph will never be in my house.

I stuck that on Facebook as the theme song for this ep. ;)

@@DavysFlicks Love "The Damned". Love that song.

Most of our problems stem from the belief that it's rude to bring policy into the conversation. But I believe there are situations where it is far more dangerous not to get political.

@@karlkarlos3545 I agree. I try not to on SOT as where I am, Bernie Sanders would be a conservative, but for subjects like this? To not talk about the politics of the scene would be to miss a massive part of the story.

@@DavysFlicks You did a great job, Davey. You can't talk about the "video nasties" and that time period without the politics that were involved. The facts are the facts. We have to be objective. It was indeed the Christian Right that were trying to ban and censor these films. And they even went so far as to arrest people. By the way, they're still trying to do the same thing. And yes, I'm American but I am to the left of Bernie. He's just a "Social Democrat". Pretty moderate in most other Countries. Still love the guy though. And I can't say that for many American politicians.

Yep, was a blast to be back for the first time in a while with all of us!

Cheers Max!

Thanks my man.

A pleasure as always, nice to catch the chat for the first time in ages!

@@DavysFlicks / as usual: your insight and knowledge is insane. Well rounded my friend. Awesome job 👍💯

Well, there you go, I thought it was named after the US President's residence

@@GordonHeaney Nope, the creators of the magazine used her name as a bit of trollling as she was anti pornography.

I was gonna comment the same. Mary Whitehouse is indeed one of the three pigs in Pigs (Three Different Ones) off Animals. Roger Waters refers to her as a "house proud town mouse" and accuses her of "trying to keep our feelings off the street." Many Americans and younger Brits incorrectly think he was referring to The White House. On his 2017 tour, Waters actually repurposed that part of the song to address Trump and his White House.

She was in songs, comedy sketches, plays, there was a TV show named for her, and a porn mag named after her. She cast a BIG figure.

I was literally looking through the comments for this as just an hour ago I was listening to Animals. As an American, when I first heard this I thought the same thing and I was confused until I heard the real meaning a little while back.

Thanks my man!

Yep, the dichotomy of the movement. A lot were banned for no real reason, hence wanting to pick from all 3 lists - to show how dumb some of this truly was.

Well, - like all these there was a pre-cert version, that's how it ended up unavailable, it has to be released to be pulled in the first place. - but it was banned from the mid 80s (so the one you saw wouldn't have had a ratings logo and is now worth some money!) till 1999. James Freman who I mentioned was the tyrant in charge of the BBFC said "The Board must consider the work’s suitability for viewing in the home, where there is far less control of audience age… we have too much evidence of teenagers being disturbed by it in the cinema, particularly girls, as well as advice from child psychologists that it could be seriously disturbing to young people.” " - and all copies were removed from circulation with no new ones till the ban was lifted. Essentially ALL the nasties were released - that was the issue. Though The Exorcist is almost a different case. They couldn't put one thing on it like sex or violence - so banned it for just it's tone. Which is in some ways even more disturbing, I'd say.

I'd also say later on, there are parallels to Lynch's work with doppelgangers - Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive have heavy Zulawski vibes. Cheers

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Yep, that's on Vol. 1 of the sets Chris and I talked about full of docs and trailers. Great stuff.

Plus, Chris was also correct in his notions that The Beast In Heat (1977) was garbage. I agree.

True, but Life of Brian was banned for a quite different reason to the video nasties

@@GordonHeaney Yes religious reasons I believe at the time.

I'm not sure. There's little on the list as hard as even the Saw sequels or Hostel and those are mainstream Hollywood films much less some really out there films like the new French extreme or A Serbian Film. The list was made in the early 80s which explains the era most are from more than anything else.

@@DavysFlicks I mean in a modern movie they usually wouldn’t show naked women for no reason. There are some exceptions but it was way more prevalent in the 70s.

Yeah - sorry about that. We obviously hear ourselves fine sitting talking, so we rely on others to say if there's issues. I've asked the guys to let me know in future, as the audio input defaulted to the cam mic, which is shit. So the big expensive mic in front of me? Useless last night! Oh well!

And the great William Finley.

Yep, that's what I thought. Wrong film!

It happened twice to Tobe - they banned his Funhouse when the one the meant was Fun House (separate words) - this is the level of intellect here!

@@DavysFlicks I forgot about Funhouse!

I covered it a bit at the start. Films shown on cinema screens could get an X as they were covered by the BBFC as broadcasts. But because the film on tapes weren't broadcast, for about 4 years they were covered as being published/printed. So nothing the BBFC could do if they wanted. So there was no certification. A Disney film and I Spit On Your Grave were both as legal as each other - which is one of the reasons this whole thing got started. Even things like the "X" are misnomers - Hammer added some blood to films so they WOULD get an X-rating, they were worried anything less and their audience wouldn't think their new stuff was scary and stay away. Famously their adaptation of The Quatermass Experiment became "Xperiment" as they were so proud of the X-cert.

You are correct. Christian Nationalists and their "project 2025". Very scary stuff.

Can you name any single book that is currently banned? Just one title and evidence it has been banned, as you say.

@@cfickliterally just google ‘banned books usa’ there are hundreds… god forbid kids know that gay people exist 😱

Yes...and I don't even live there. Since books are banned at state level you'll not see any federal ones. But - to pick a nice Monster's Den example - the graphic novels of The Walking Dead Vols. 1-11 are banned from Missouri libraries. Gender Queer and Flamer are banned from schools in 15 states. Handmaiden's Tale is banned in schools in 4 and libraries in 2.

@@DavysFlicks well I don't know that it's true but assuming it is, you went from "books are banned" to "some books are not allowed for school aged children" real fast. Amazing.

A bit - but without the political aspirations. Mary, for her faults, really did believe she was saving kids from moral sin. Tipper was out for Al, and herself.

It wasn't just Tipper Gore. It was a lot of the Washington Wives(PMRC). From both parties. More info: The Parents Music Resource Center was founded in May 1985. The group's formation was cemented with the financial help of Mike Love of the Beach Boys, and Joseph Coors, the owner of Coors beers. Both had actively supported Reagan's candidacy, and Coors offered offices to the PMRC. Mike Love has always been an insufferable DICK!

Just watched 2 old men in a "debate" that made me think no-one does insanity like us if this pair are our best..

@@AdrianHayes1950 It wasn't that crazy let's be real

The "crazy" is still to come. That was more depressing.

@@AdrianHayes1950 what do you think is going to happen

Do you live in the United States? As George Carlin said.."front row seat to the freak show in this Country". Absolute insanity.

I love Passolini, one of my favourite Italian directors. Not QUITE sure that means I can recommend Salo to most, but he was a stunning filmmaker.

Too late for the list, tho Cronenberg's Scanners and Rabid were included.

I think you would have gotten along with Mary Whitehouse just fine.

@@Jamie.Laszlo She was a fucking shag and a half though, who wouldn't chat her up?

Your constant bitching about 'potty mouths' has gotten old. Go complain somewhere else and leave things here to the adults who can handle adult language in a fun, informative conversation.

Grow up, dork. There's nothing wrong with cursing in context. Plus, we're all adults here. Do you have your kids watching or something?! Hey, Jamie. I agree. Whitehouse would have loved this prick. And like I say. It's usually the most ardent "moral crusaders" that end up having the most skeletons in their closet.

Your comments have gotten old...potty mouth? Who uses that term? These are episodes for adults, get with the program.