The most beautiful idea in physics - Noether's Theorem

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Looking Glass Universe

Looking Glass Universe

8 жыл бұрын

Homework:
-What do you think of this idea? Have you heard of it before?
Maybe you’ve heard about things like super symmetry in physics try find out how that’s related.
-If you know some calculus and classical physics, try and find a proof of this theorem.
Try come up with strange systems with strange symmetries then see if you can figure out what’s conserved.
The proof and maths of Noether's theorem:
There are two ways to approach Noether's theorem that I know of. The most common is through Lagrangian mechanics- where the proof is surprisingly simple but unfortunately quite opaque (see math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether...) . The other way, and the way I allude to in this video, is using hamiltonian mechanics. I find this way a bit easier to understand and it involves the generators of the transforms more. A great resource for this is the last lecture in this course: www.physics.usu.edu/torre/6010...
but it requires multivariable calculus and a little knowledge of Hamiltonian mechanics.

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@LockenJohny101
@LockenJohny101 7 жыл бұрын
Its all fun and games, until your exam is tomorow....
@RamkrishanYT
@RamkrishanYT 7 жыл бұрын
LockenJohny101 lol, my exam is tomorrow and this is not even in my course
@Walsh2571
@Walsh2571 7 жыл бұрын
same
@CandidDate
@CandidDate 7 жыл бұрын
God said "let there be a bang" and there was a bang. A big one. And the only one we have proof of. I argue that if even one atom were misplaced, nothing would have happened.
@degautaborg
@degautaborg 7 жыл бұрын
There is no proof whatsoever of the ridiculosly naîve big bang. The universe is moving alright, but not outward since there is nothing, no spatial dimensions "outside", it continuously moves whitin itself, known as the Donut Theory. From this movement of the spatial dimensions themselves emanates the red shift.
@onehitpick9758
@onehitpick9758 7 жыл бұрын
Even the big bangers are now saying there was no "bang". Nowadays, it's just a simple expansion of of space-time, optionally with inflation and even more optionally with effervescence.
@ericvilas
@ericvilas 8 жыл бұрын
One thing I absolutely love about Noether's theorem (you know, besides the whole "she literally figured out _why_ conservations occur") is the fact that symmetry in position implies momentum conservation, and symmetry in time implies energy conservation. Meaning that the relationship between space and momentum is very similar to the relationship between time and energy - something that Einstein *_also_* figured out through a _completely_ different route. And the fact that 2 different people could arrive at such a fundamental truth about the universe through such different means is mindblowing. Oh, one more thing: Angular momentum is conserved because of rotational symmetry - yet elliptical planetary orbits also have a conserved angular momentum. How exactly do the two fit in? Does it mean "same energy even though the orbit shifted slightly"?
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 6 жыл бұрын
_"Angular momentum is conserved because of rotational symmetry - yet elliptical planetary orbits also have a conserved angular momentum. How exactly do the two fit in? Does it mean "same energy even though the orbit shifted slightly"?"_ No, it means "same angular momentum". The position changes, and the velocity changes, but their (cross) product stays the same. This is true with either circular or elliptical orbits (or with no orbit at all). Remember that position and velocity are vectors, with both magnitude (distance and speed) and direction. In circular orbits, the magnitudes are constant, and only the directions change; in elliptical orbits both magnitudes and directions change. But in either case, the cross product is constant.
@Rastafa469
@Rastafa469 4 жыл бұрын
I think you can also see the elliptical orbit as a combination of rotation and translation (it pops right out if you use polar coordinates) so you could think of it as a combination of rotational symmetry (conservation of angular momentum) and translational symmetry (conservation of momentum). I'm not 100% sure about this it's just an idea that popped into my head and l would love for someone with more knowledge about this topic to correct or approve this idea
@aartvb9443
@aartvb9443 3 жыл бұрын
In the video she talks mainly about potential energy. In the case of an elliptical orbit the potential energy is not concerved, but kinetic + potential energy is conserved, so the TOTAL energy of the system is still conserved. If the planet is closer to the center the potential energy is lower but kinetic energy is higher, and vice versa. So now indeed your question arises what the symmetry is - it's not a circle! What you need to remember here is that not the shape of the path has to be symmetric, but 'the way the planet acts' (in Lagrangian physics terms: the action). If the planet would be rotated to another point, the path would also be rotated with it, so the planet would still act the same, but it is rotated a bit, including the path it takes. So the symmetry doesn't have to mean it takes the exact path as before, but that it follows the same path, with that path just being rotated over the same angle as the object was. Does that help?
@giljorge7479
@giljorge7479 Жыл бұрын
Newton also sort of figured it out. F*t= change in momentum F*d= energy
@nuclearnyanboi
@nuclearnyanboi Жыл бұрын
​@@michaelsommers2356 how do I bookmark this comment?
@cheesywiz9443
@cheesywiz9443 5 жыл бұрын
"writes most beautiful bit of physics in spare time 100% not jealous" xDD
@devon9374
@devon9374 2 жыл бұрын
power of math, so beautiful
@PseudoAccurate
@PseudoAccurate 8 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I always hear a smile in your voice.
@RSolimov
@RSolimov 8 жыл бұрын
Yea, you can kinda tell she can barely contain herself. so kewl.
@fukpoeslaw3613
@fukpoeslaw3613 4 жыл бұрын
@@RSolimov 'kewl'?
@SteveGouldinSpain
@SteveGouldinSpain 4 жыл бұрын
@@fukpoeslaw3613 cool but with a cooler spelling.
@fukpoeslaw3613
@fukpoeslaw3613 4 жыл бұрын
@@SteveGouldinSpain tewk me half a year, but finally I know!
@summernights1555
@summernights1555 3 жыл бұрын
@@fukpoeslaw3613 kewl. 😹
@ScienceAsylum
@ScienceAsylum 8 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited you got around to this video. Were you just using conservation of energy as an intuitive reference? Because I think (traditionally in Noether's theorem) it's treated as a complete independent thing.
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
+The Science Asylum Traditionally its symmetry of the lagrangian, but there's an equivalent Hamiltonian formulation that I got excited about. Way more intuitive to me!
@ScienceAsylum
@ScienceAsylum 8 жыл бұрын
Looking Glass Universe I think I should sit down with the math then. Lagrangians are weird. Anyway, I'm glad you got excited about it. It showed :-)
@holomorphicguy
@holomorphicguy 5 жыл бұрын
:D
@howardOKC
@howardOKC 5 жыл бұрын
Hi crazies!
@badmintongo4832
@badmintongo4832 3 жыл бұрын
@@LookingGlassUniverse Nah, AdS/CFT is way more beautiful
@asymptoticspatula
@asymptoticspatula 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great explanation of Noether's Theorem. I've been reading a biography of Emmy Noether, and I have a physics background, but I didn't really understand her work at all. Now I understand it a bit more. Thank you. I subscribed to your channel and will definitely be checking out some more of your work. Thanks again! P.S. Emmy Noether is really a tragically unknown figure in physics. I hope more people learn about her. That's why I decided to read up on her, because she's one of the most influential women in math/science (one of the most influential of men and women, in fact) but she is still totally unknown to most. It's a shame. But your video surely has reached new audiences and for that you deserve praise.
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 8 жыл бұрын
This is the best introductory discussion of Noether's Theorem I have seen. Thank you for your excellent work! Here is a suggestion. It seems to me that your examples of systems whose energy has not changed after a particular transformation might be easier to understand for viewers (for me anyway) if you considered a small, continuous change rather than a large jump change. A system whose energy did not change after a jump (for example, an instantaneous rotation through 60 degrees) might turn out to have periodic energy dependence with period, in this example, 30 or 60 degrees. While a jump change is not ruled out, I do not think a discontinuous change would best exemplify the type of conservation law you are aiming to illustrate in this video. The real-world conservation laws that I am aware of (in classical physics with or without relativity) are all based on continuous quantities. You don't have to call it an infinitesimal change. You might just say the change is gradual, or something like that. P.S. I might be wrong about this. It was just a thought.
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
No I love the suggestion. If I could go back, that's a change I'd want to make. Hopefully I will give Noether's theorem another shot in a while- I wasn't too happy with that one. I really appriciate the suggestions for improving it!
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 7 жыл бұрын
+Jack McMillan So each symmetry to be characterized requires its own Lie algebra to be set up based on the relevant degrees of freedom in the neighborhood of a given point in the problem space -- something like that?
@Legionary42
@Legionary42 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I've got to ask... " So...a symmetry is when you change a system and some number computed from the initial condition doesn't change. And, A conservation law says that when a system changes, there's a number that characterized the system in the first instance that's the same in the second instance. This theorem seems...tautological... " I first posted this to the original video (just now), but I realize that's probably not going to get a good answer. Can you help me sort my confusion? Edit...perhaps I am under-appreciating the development of ideas that it takes to come to such conclusions...particularly when I am now speaking from the shoulders of all the others who had to toil so!
@RalphDratman
@RalphDratman 7 жыл бұрын
I am not qualified to assist you with that. Sorry. Perhaps the following might be of help: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/4959/can-noethers-theorem-be-understood-intuitively
@MrAkashvj96
@MrAkashvj96 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there Legionary42. Maybe I can help you a little bit. Symmetry means something very specific in physics. Symmetry refers to a certain transformation of a system's dynamical information (which consists of positions, velocities and perhaps even time) which leaves the Lagrangian unchanged. These transformations are physically interpreted as a change of coordinates. Note something very VERY important though. The only kinds of symmetries Emmy Noether discusses in her groundbreaking paper are so called continuous symmetries, where each symmetry transformation can be built up by a large number of tiny infinitesimal symmetry transformations, such (to be more precise, the group of symmetries forms a Lie group). An example is rotational symmetries. A conservation law refers to a physical scalar quantity that doesn't change with time. Notice, a priori these 2 concepts seem to have no no connection whatsoever but Noether's theorem shows otherwise. There is no intuitive argument I can think of to explain this relationship and in fact I'm not even sure there exists one. A Lie group refers to something very very specific (namely a differentiable manifold, equipped with a group operation) & the fact that every "continuous symmetry" (i.e. what we intuitively think of as being a continuous symmetry operation) can be given enough structure for it to form a Lie Group is a highly unintuitive fact. Symmetry, the way we intuitively think of it, is just a map on the phase space which leaves the Lagrangian unchanged. This is not enough to derive a conservation law. So although we have intuitive notions of what we mean by symmetry and conservation laws, those intuitive ideas are not enough to establish Noether's theorem. We have to introduce a lot more structure to our model to establish the connection. Unfortunately this breaks down the intuition. Moreover I think I should point out that although in classical mechanics, you get conservation laws only from continuous symmetries, In Quantum Field Theory, even discrete symmetries have a conservation law. For instance think of the harmonic oscillator modelled by the potential (1/2) kx^2. You can check that the Lagrangian doesn't change if you swap x for (-x). There is no conservation law for classical mechanics for such a symmetry. There is one in QFT.
@makarlock
@makarlock 3 жыл бұрын
The coolest thing about this video is that you explained the intuition, motivation, and significance of Noether's theorem without invoking the Lagrangian at all. I watched this video when it came out (in high school for me) and thought it was an amazing concept. I'm commenting now after taking classical dynamics for my physics degree, and this intuition was really useful for understanding the lagrangian, even though usually, its the other way around. Thanks again! Love the new "self-teaching" physics video too btw!
@kingmunch7252
@kingmunch7252 4 жыл бұрын
After 2 or 3 years later and also constantly learning new things, i finally feel like I understand what’s being said said in this video. Truly feels amazing finally able to grasp it. Thank you 😊
@12tone
@12tone 8 жыл бұрын
Really interesting. I had encountered symmetries and conservation laws before, of course, but it had never occurred to me that they'd be related like this. It makes sense, and I think the rotational example is probably the best one in order to understand it. If an object behaves the same no matter where in its orbit it is, then logically it'll always come back to where it started, and angular momentum is conserved. It had never occurred to me though. Thanks for explaining it! On the second question, I don't really understand supersymmetry beyond that my physicist brother thinks it's hilarious that we haven't found any supersymmetric particles yet. I have some grasp of what supersymmetry is for, but not much at all about what it is. Looking it up, it seems to be about symmetry between bosons and fermions. But would energy be equivalent in that? If these supersymmetric particles exist they'd have to be of higher mass than particle accelerators can produce, so the boson version of a down quark, for instance, would have to have a much higher mass than it. And if it has a higher mass it has more energy, so then how could it be symmetric? Researching this has left me more confused than when I started... Maybe I'll ask my brother when he wakes up. On examples of symmetries, my music training is kicking in and I keep thinking of things like diminished seventh chords, augmented triads, and whole-tone or chromatic scales. those are translationally symmetric, at least if you don't count octave. I have no idea what, physically, is conserved there though. On the diminished seventh chords at least, harmonic function is conserved, which is actually an incredibly cool feature of those. (Seriously, diminished seventh modulations are my all-time favorite piece of music theory.) But that's not a physical property, it's an observational effect. If you're talking physically, you do go up in pitch as you go, and I believe higher frequency is higher energy, so not really symmetric. If you rotate it around so you're actually playing the same register of notes though I suppose you're conserving something. I don't know if that's valid though, since it requires accepting the octave as a fundamental unit. I may be cheating, but if I am I still don't have any useful answers so at least I'm not a very good cheater.
@razorborne
@razorborne 8 жыл бұрын
I've started commenting on videos with my 12tone account instead of my personal account (this one) to keep them a little more separate. I don't know if you recognize me anyway, but I've been watching and commenting for a while and I didn't want you to think I'd just disappeared!
@salim444
@salim444 8 жыл бұрын
+razorborne bro that some really nice text. :)
@12tone
@12tone 8 жыл бұрын
saleem khatib Thanks!
@erictao8396
@erictao8396 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting question (I know I'm 6 years late to respond)! I don't have a full answer, but I will say the behavior of pitch classes in music works a lot like a cyclic group in abstract algebra! If you accept the octave as a fundamental unit, you can "quotient" out the octave and just focus on pitch classes, which is similar to if you took all the integers and divided them by 12, concentrating only on the remainder after the quotient. Physically, I think you could interpret this symmetry as a dilational symmetry in frequency (since moving everything a major third up for example is equivalent to multiplying the frequency by the third root of two). However, I can't think of a way you could apply Noether's theorem to this situation because Noether's theorem requires a *continuous* symmetry. For example, if you move forwards 10 seconds, 2 seconds, 0.01 seconds, 0.00001 seconds, etc., it doesn't matter: energy is still conserved in Newtonian mechanics. However, with the chords that you mention, the symmetry is *discrete* in that it only works for specific values of movement. If you move an augmented triad up a major third or an augmented fifth, it stays invariant, but if you move it up a whole tone, a semitone, a quarter-tone, etc., the symmetry breaks, meaning the conditions of Noether's theorem aren't met. Also, I'm not sure if there's an analogous principle of least action (which Noether's theorem depends on) in this situation, but I'm sure there's some way to draw a physical interpretation of this, maybe in studying the frequency spectrum of sound decay over time? This is just wild hypothesizing since it's 2 AM, but it would be interesting to see if there's a spectral equivalent of Noether's theorem since all the examples given (translation, rotation, time translation) are symmetries in space-time while your example is a movement in frequency space. I suspect that if you could formulate an appropriate Lagrangian, there might be some way to apply Noether's theorem, although it would probably have nothing to do with music. It's still an interesting thought experiment though! For an elaboration on the abstract algebra though, check out this cool stack exchange post about Messiaen's modes of limited transposition and group theory :) math.stackexchange.com/questions/4045800/music-and-maths-modes-of-limited-transposition Also, I love your video on diminished seventh modulations
@DaytakTV
@DaytakTV 7 жыл бұрын
I am currently a physics major in college. I absolutely love your work! It is so refreshing and clarifying yet introduces fascinating questions to ponder :)
@tok8425
@tok8425 4 жыл бұрын
I love how happy your voice is when you are talking about this subject :)
@kevinocta9716
@kevinocta9716 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is AWESOME! I finally UNDERSTAND why there are these random 'laws.' And on your roller coaster example, I'VE HAD THE EXACT SAME THOUGHT!!! Yeah, I solved the problem, but I'm just using some law, so to really explain anything I must explain where the law comes from! This is so cool! Great video. I cannot express how long I've been thinking this and how annoyed I've been with 'It's just the law' (I really feel like this should have been explained to me years ago, maybe in high school or something) But, it's never to late to learn, so thanks!
@julsius
@julsius 8 жыл бұрын
yes this was definately not in HSC AUstralian higher physics 2004 though clearly shouldve been. I think its because symmetry has buddhist connotations, and Australia has a Christian hangover.
@j.c.7975
@j.c.7975 6 жыл бұрын
I feel 100% the same! :)
@PatchyE
@PatchyE 6 жыл бұрын
To be honest even if you don't know about Noether's theorem, conservation laws are just mathematical derivations from basic Dynamics (Newton's laws, Schrodinger Equation, etc.) They are not "random" or artificial, just magic numbers given rise to by mathematics. Of course if you are still not satisfied and want to go deeper you can always fall back to the Principle of Least Action.
@adamthornton7880
@adamthornton7880 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, ma'am. I watched this at least 5 times now (I'll probably watch it again, when my head stops spinning), and I feel like I understand much more than I did before, but also like I've only scratched the surface of the ideas presented here.
@niklasb2664
@niklasb2664 8 жыл бұрын
As a theoretical physicist, I'm very happy that this video exists. It certainly is the most beautiful theorem in physics and i wish i could explain it that well in simple terms.
@THPV
@THPV 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, I loved it. This channel is really one of the best I know on KZfaq and you do a great job explaining science phenomena. Thank you
@selforganisation
@selforganisation 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, I also find it extremely beautiful that conversation rules are connected with symmetries of time and space. When I've read about Emma Noether's theorem, it blew my mind!
@YossiSirote
@YossiSirote 7 жыл бұрын
I knew that therr was something in Physics that had to do with symmetry implying a something, but I was not sure. I went to KZfaq to find a video explaining it. And yours was bu far the best. Thank you. I have subscribed to your channel, and I am working my way threw all of your videos now. I love them. Keep up the great work!
@lanevotapka4012
@lanevotapka4012 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I've heard of this before but I just noticed an interesting thing watching this. I realize that in a lot of formulas, you see position and moment together, and energy and time together. For instance, I've seen that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle can be expressed in terms of position and momentum, but can also be expressed in terms of time and energy. We also know that the momentum of a light wave is related to its wavenumber (cycles per distance), and the energy of a light wave is related to its frequency (cycles per time). Perhaps this is what you mean when you say that more appears in quantum mechanics. Very cool!
@TheHow2win
@TheHow2win 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have read about Noether's theorem and I know Einstein really like her work. I think I have a good understandings of the basics. Well done.
@QDWhite
@QDWhite 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of videos and read a lot of books explaining Noether's theorem. Considering the balance between completeness and simplicity, this video is by far the best.
@timh.6872
@timh.6872 7 жыл бұрын
I've seen a few other of your videos, but this one earned the sub. Math and physics with a solid backing in both? Absolutely. As a CS/Math person (who spends most of his time where the two look like the ssme thing), I would almost venture to say that I'd prefer a mechanics built from conservation laws implied by symmetries, because symmetries are the building blocks of the algebra we use to solve the problems in the first place. I think I'll spend the afternoon poking at Noether's theorem with respect to multivectors and geometric algebra. That angular momentum conservation due to rotational symmetry is begging to be described in terms of bivectors, heck, kepler's laws probably drop out if the orbit's spinor varies in time...
@sriramalka
@sriramalka 8 жыл бұрын
Beautiful presentation of a beautiful theorem. Thank you!
@LacXav
@LacXav 3 жыл бұрын
4:20 "I used to not like using conservation laws because they can make it seem too easy." Love it, I feel exactly the same.
@boom2055
@boom2055 8 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video demonstrating physical laws. For me, when trying to look this theorem up, I found wikipedia no help, being dropped into an infinite cycle of looking up unfamiliar terms. This video really showed the essence.
@AbhishekKumar-xf9td
@AbhishekKumar-xf9td 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard it before,my friend suggested me to look for noether theorem ,I searched it and I'm glad I found it 💙💙💙. You explained it so well ,thank you 😇🙏
@tarreqmaulana9494
@tarreqmaulana9494 6 ай бұрын
I haven't heard any of this before, and now it's another theorem for me to explore! Thanks you for the great explanation.
@carlb.9518
@carlb.9518 8 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the uncertainty principle, in that everything comes in pairs that multiply to give angular momentum. Momentum * Distance = Angular momentum * Angle (dimensionless in radians) = Energy * Time
@WackyAmoebatrons
@WackyAmoebatrons 3 жыл бұрын
More precisely, the pairs multiply to give "action" (which only happens to have the same unit as angular momentum). Planck's constant is a tiny quantum of action.
@maril763
@maril763 8 жыл бұрын
New subscriber and I have been loving your channel. Looking forward to hearing more about your research!
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
+Maria Ciara Lalata Thank you!! Yeah, I should make a video about that :P
@connemignonne
@connemignonne 8 жыл бұрын
Mindblow at 7:57 when I realise that these line up perfectly with the quantum operators on the wave function! We work out the momentum of a particle by the rate of change of the wave function with respect to position (or translation!) Similarly, we work out the energy using the rate of change of the wave function with respect to time. I can only then imagine that the spin of a particle is calculated using the rate of change of the wave function with respect to its rotation in some sense? Also, please return to your videos! I am only discovering them now and seeing that you seem to be on some quite long hiatus. :-( A clearer explanation of what I was just saying: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gsCZmJWCqJuukpc.html
@aartvb9443
@aartvb9443 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that's so cool! I didn't realize that yet.
@aaronbondy8944
@aaronbondy8944 8 жыл бұрын
Hey. What a great explanation of the magnificent Noether's Theorem. It's applications in QM are huge and the connection to supersymmetry gives us String Theory. Thanks so much for these videos, they are unreal. I'd love to talk further, if you're down :)
@monkey_gamer_001
@monkey_gamer_001 7 жыл бұрын
Starting third year astrophysics. Noether's Theorem came up. Wanted it explained concisely. This is what I was looking for!
@dubhuiitisro
@dubhuiitisro Жыл бұрын
This video is extremely descriptive and very easy and understandable from layman point of view. Really good work
@user-ch5bm6jb2e
@user-ch5bm6jb2e 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video, but can this explain other conservation quantities? Take charge conservation for example. Take an electron as the object (or say, the system) moving toward a proton (just like the translation example about 6:30 in the video), its energy is changed, but the charge still conserved.
@whovillewho9764
@whovillewho9764 8 жыл бұрын
I always watch your vids while doing my stats homework. Keeps me motivated!
@shawniscoolerthanyou
@shawniscoolerthanyou 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! My QM prof mentioned Noether's theorem in passing so I figured I'd check it out.
@hp127
@hp127 3 жыл бұрын
In 2020, your videos are great presentations, drawings and humor in addition to the science. Thanks
@movazi
@movazi Жыл бұрын
Beautiful presentation, as usual. Thx
@mcneelyng
@mcneelyng 5 жыл бұрын
Please start making videos again. These are great
@pandavroomvroom
@pandavroomvroom 6 ай бұрын
this the best video about noether's theorem ngl; would love to know how do u mathematically derive it.
@RoulDukeGonzo
@RoulDukeGonzo 7 жыл бұрын
I heard about this from Feynman's lecture on symmetry. "Watch out!” - lol. Best physics punchline ever?
@zennizura
@zennizura 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping me understand what the theorems about. Although I barely understand what you were saying at all. I strangely get what you are trying to say. Then again, I am just a person who is trying to do a book report about Emmy Noether. Not helpful that I don't even take a physics class. But, then again, thank you very much!
@bethanyjermann5696
@bethanyjermann5696 Жыл бұрын
Best explanation I've heard yet. I almost get it. Thanks :)
@PankajBhambhani64
@PankajBhambhani64 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the wonderful video! I'm not a physicist but I've heard about Noether's theorem while reading about the "Theory of Everything". Maybe you can follow up by talking about Gauge Symmetries?
@baikoki
@baikoki 8 жыл бұрын
You have one of the greatest videos! Really amazing.
@antipoti
@antipoti 3 жыл бұрын
Her voice is so soothing and lovely, with a hint of a smile in it. It tingles my brain.
@chriswisteria6961
@chriswisteria6961 7 жыл бұрын
Hey just one thing popped in my mind, can anyone help? I was thinking tht wht if the whole universe is rotated on an axis so, well because of the centrifugal force will the contents of Universe come out of it?
@wurttmapper2200
@wurttmapper2200 6 жыл бұрын
What about mass, electric and color charge? In special cases, other quantities (such as acceleration) are conserved. In free fall it is always the same What symmetries correspond to that conservations?
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 5 жыл бұрын
Conservation of electric and color charge comes from gauge symmetries of the corresponding fields. Acceleration is not conserved, and does not stay the same in free fall. It may appear to stay the same in some circumstances, but that is just because it changes too slowly to be notices. However, the acceleration of the Moon toward the Earth is not the same as the acceleration of the apple that hit Newton on the head near the surface of the Earth.
@jaumepp1975
@jaumepp1975 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing channel, congrats!
@fminc
@fminc 6 жыл бұрын
this is a great channel, thanks
@vwcanter
@vwcanter 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up. I believe there is a more basic version of this that predates Noether's theorem by many centuries, because you can easily make an argument by contradiction, where you suppose that a certain quantity is _not_ conserved, under a certain transformation, and then it follows that by measuring that quantity, you could tell where you are on the particular dimension on which the quantity varies. If there is no way for you to tell where you are on that dimension, by measuring that quantity, that means that the quantity is conserved under transformations on that dimension. If you could tell, by measuring a certain quantity, that means there has to be at least some type of difference between one place and another place on that dimension, in other words, an asymmetry. For example, the temperature outside is not conserved, from one day to the next, and consequently, you can look at a thermometer for 30 days in a row, and (in case you had no other information) you could ascertain the position of the earth in its solar orbit. That tells you that the position of the earth in the summer can not be exactly the same as in winter, and in fact, the earth's solar orbit does not have rotational symmetry, at all, and in fact, the weather is the first way that people knew that (and the positions of the stars, of course). If you applied the same reasoning to linear momentum, which is conserved, on the other hand, you could ask, if you rode a train from one town to another town, whether you could tell how far you had gone by measuring how fast the train was moving. If you could tell where you were by how fast it went, that would mean that our path did not have a symmetry under a linear translation, precisely because you could tell the difference between one place and the next. (I am implying an idealized train, but you see what I mean.) If it were possible on such a train to observe, for example, "We're going faster, so we must be almost there," that would mean that there was a difference between your momentum in the first town and your momentum in the second town, in other words, an asymmetry under linear translation. I believe what Noether's theorem does is merely formalize and generalize this fact, which people had already been applying for many centuries.
@Harlequin314159
@Harlequin314159 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Studying momentum generating functions in Finance/Economics and its nice to have the real physics concepts salient :D
@tiburcarodrigues7985
@tiburcarodrigues7985 5 жыл бұрын
In statistics that's a different stuff. It's a function used to compute mean values of things snd measures of deviation from a certain value.
@mdasaduzzaman6921
@mdasaduzzaman6921 7 жыл бұрын
Well i learned the theorem in a more complicated way. I think this is the best way to think of it.Its really helpful.Thank you
@jackhammer8439
@jackhammer8439 6 жыл бұрын
I still dont really know if I understand this correctly. Is the basis of it that there is a direct correlation between symmetry and conservation? That if something is symmetrical is has conserved its energy? Also...not sure I understand why this is so important.
@jackhammer8439
@jackhammer8439 6 жыл бұрын
assuming that gauge symmetry is Noether's Theorm but from what I understand they cover the same things
@rlittlefield2691
@rlittlefield2691 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice, my understanding of conservation laws come from Chemistry, so this explanation really rounded out my understanding. In Chemistry, the conservation of matter means that no new matter can form, nor can it disappear. While this is workable and provable, we are guessing that it is not true based on the big bang theory. It is my guess that being that E = MC2 that saying matter and energy are the same thing, that you have proven that it only conserves if there is symmetry, that the size of space itself creates potential energy and that is the source of all matter.
@sagarrathore5400
@sagarrathore5400 Жыл бұрын
Hi, could you please update the links in description? Great video btw :)
@ProfessorBeautiful
@ProfessorBeautiful 5 жыл бұрын
Fun stuff, very nicely done. Can you provide links to proofs? The ones provided are not working.
@motherofallemails
@motherofallemails 8 жыл бұрын
I began watching this video thinking that Noether was a pun joining the words No Ether, but it is actually a real name! and really apt for the theorem associated with it too! coincidence or what!
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
+Xavier Sebastien I know! The first time I saw this theorem that's exactly what I thought!!
@ZenMasterChip
@ZenMasterChip 8 жыл бұрын
+Xavier Sebastien I thought that too! But, more it reminded me of the noyes (pronounced noise) game. So No ether=> Noether and No Yes to Noyes.
@NeedsEvidence
@NeedsEvidence 8 жыл бұрын
+Scott Mc Logic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether
@ZenMasterChip
@ZenMasterChip 8 жыл бұрын
NeedsEvidence Nice
@patrickwienhoft7987
@patrickwienhoft7987 7 жыл бұрын
Actually Noether was German and we'd usually write it like "Nöther", but due due migration over history, Umlaute in names got replaced with the respective vocal + e (ä=ae, ö=oe, ü=ue). Just want to mention it because I find it funny that English speakers would tear apart the name between exactly the two letters which once belonged together :D
@SomeGuy1117
@SomeGuy1117 8 жыл бұрын
Why haven't there been any new videos? This was one of my favorite channels.
@adityakhanna113
@adityakhanna113 8 жыл бұрын
wow! I really added the la-la-la myself when the particle flew by... and then you added it.. that's cool...
@vstadeu
@vstadeu 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you
@TensorCalculusRobertDavie
@TensorCalculusRobertDavie 6 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanation.
@xj-vn4eo
@xj-vn4eo 5 жыл бұрын
Well from Classical mechanics, related to what you said in descriptions, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian essentially is the same as Newtonian. But I think these 3 approaches have different perspective so useful in different situations. I think since the theorem can be directly related to the action of the system, it is natural to think of it in Lagrangian framework. But I believe Noether's theorem is more general in mathematical sense as a great contribution to abstract algebra, as you indicated in the video. Sorry I did not really say much actually but there is a LOT to say about it if one chooses to focus in such route.
@chrisj245
@chrisj245 2 жыл бұрын
Hi!! Been enjoying your videos alot! So happy that I found this channel :) One question I had was in 8:00 you comment, "Turn any symmetry into a conservation law, and vice versa." I thought Noether showed that the converse(conservation => symmetry) is not necessary true? Thank you!
@Relative0
@Relative0 8 жыл бұрын
Was just about to apply this idea of conservation and symmetries to some logical systems that I have been examining; but then you asked it in the homework. But say we take (in first order logic) the logical expression X Y. Now we can see by the truth table that we could switch X and Y (X on the right and Y on the left) and we get the same truth table. However, if we tried that with X => Y, this is not equal to Y => X (If X not equal to Y of course). So an interesting question might be, what is conserved? Possibly Logic? Well I am going to look in to it, but before I do, I must thank you for bringing these ideas to my attention - your videos are amazing, and while I am sure you hear that all the time, I suppose it doesn't hurt to add to the pile of compliments ;).
@camilodominguez4678
@camilodominguez4678 4 жыл бұрын
" The most profound and far-reaching idea" is quite ambitious even thoug Thank you for this explanation, such a brilliant carrier that Emmy had by the way.
@Holobrine
@Holobrine 6 жыл бұрын
I think you can take it a step further and say that symmetries can also imply potential energy. For example, an object going up will have the same speed when it falls back down to the same height; therefore gravitational potential energy exists. Or an object moving at a spring will have the same speed when it gets repelled back to the same distance, thus elastic potential energy exists. I’m not sure what to call that symmetry though.
@TheAllroth
@TheAllroth 8 жыл бұрын
A minor point but at around 0:34 you say that "Symmetries imply conservations" but what you have in the image is an equvalence and during the rest of the video it sounds like you're talking about an equivalence rather than an implication. Other than that this was a very good video for introducing the concept of symmetries and the relation to conservations, of which I didn't know; but you learn something new every day and I say thank you for that! :)
@mehrpouyamovahadi1542
@mehrpouyamovahadi1542 8 жыл бұрын
Suppose we put the 3 objects you showed (the apple and two balls) in a box and let them collide as they did on the plane of the screen (let's call it x-y plane), with one varying condition: The objects collide in the box while accelerating towards the earth with PE = mgh. Would the momentum of the system simply be in the sum of the momenta in the x-y plane plus the one in the z direction, since p=mv and the vectors add?
@sethapex9670
@sethapex9670 8 жыл бұрын
this is very interesting, never thought that there was any reason for conservation laws, much less that they were connected to symmetries. from what i found about super symmetry it appears to be a type of transformation involving particle's spin value, which would imply that fermions and bosons are simply a transformation of this value. however because there are no superpartners that have been discovered, the symmetry is said to be spontaneously broken.
@thingthought9930
@thingthought9930 6 жыл бұрын
I heard about this already, this is why i watched your video. Since these symmetries can be broken on a universal scale (the magneticly aligne cobalt atoms experiment) individualy does this mean that conservation laws are breakable as well?
@JoonasD6
@JoonasD6 7 жыл бұрын
How did you subtitute ω squared with g/R in the energy example? Shouldn't that give you ω^2=(v/R)^2=v^2/R^2 instead?
@paulmiller184
@paulmiller184 3 жыл бұрын
Angular momentum conservation means r and w vary inversely over the complete orbit. Right?
@mc4444
@mc4444 8 жыл бұрын
A theorem of great scope yet a simple idea, sounds exactly like something a mathematician would come up with. It should definitely be mentioned in the classrooms in some form. I've heard of super symmetry and CPT symmetry, stuff to look up. So a system like a falling apple doesn't have translational symmetry but it can still have time translation symmetry since the total energy is conserved.
@williamash7776
@williamash7776 7 жыл бұрын
Utterly Captivating!! Keep up the good work!! ;-)
@MacksP0w3r
@MacksP0w3r 7 жыл бұрын
The best way I can think of explaining symmetry ts than if in happens, and you observe it from different locations, angles and time, you will always observe the same event after accounting for the differences in location angle and time. In other words the laws of physics do not change based on when and where and observer is witnessing and event. Due to Noether's theorem, this means that we can only disprove the three conservation laws, if we disprove the very idea that the laws of physics are consistent over space and time.
@dawnbern2917
@dawnbern2917 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your explanation, I heard about this from Jack Kruse, a renowned brain surgeon who is very interested in quantum biology. Best to you.
@somean11
@somean11 7 жыл бұрын
I love the name of your channel-it makes me smile every time I see it-and I really liked this video, however I have a question regarding the roller coaster problem. At 4:15, where does the factor (g/R) come from? In other words, how does ω2 = g/R? Is it because arad = ω2r? Furthermore, since the initial gravitational potential energy at h has to equal the gravitational potential energy at 2R plus the kinetic energy, or rotational energy as you’ve called it, then mgh = mg2R + ½ mv2, or mgh = mg2R + ½ I ω2, where I =mr2, and v=Rω. And as long as v > 0, then the roller coaster will make the loop (or am I wrong in this assumption?); therefore, if we let v=0, we see that h = 2R, so we ensure that h > 2R so that v will be greater than zero. Thank you for clarifying, and I will continue to watch, smile, and learn from your videos.
@fg_arnold
@fg_arnold 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent bit of toe-dipping, as usual. I'm amazed I only discovered this channel a week ago. All the vids are SO thought-provoking & SO entertaining - a wonderful combo - and the homework questions an added bonus. The link in the description here is broken: those lectures (based on Goldstein) are currently at www.physics.usu.edu/torre/6010_Fall_2016/Lectures.html. Lecture 4 (the 5th in the list) describes Noether's theorem & Lecture 12a discusses generators.
@Hecatonicosachoron
@Hecatonicosachoron 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, I was looking at this some time ago... I remember that I found out that dilatation symmetry implies the tracelessness of the stress-energy tensor, which is definitely a peculiar way of describing a 'conserved quantity'... Funnily enough I had been thinking of different generators and the symmetries they imply, but I can write about that a bit later
@johnathanmonsen6567
@johnathanmonsen6567 3 жыл бұрын
Two things come to mind for me- First, I saw a different video on it, that made it a bit more clear what it would mean for time NOT to be symmetric, but I didn't quite understand it then and I don't remember it now... wish I could figure that out. Second thing- it occurs to me, could we consider the speed of light to be a value which is conserved? It's a constant, after all. So, then, could we then find a transformation that holds symmetry in respect to the conservation of that value? And then, would that let us better hypothesize what would happen if that symmetry was BROKEN?
@meyergregory3167
@meyergregory3167 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, and thanks for yours very nices videos. I have somes questions about this video : - At 3:06, you say that a particule that is closer to a nearby planet has less potential energy so this transformation is not symmetric, but the loss potential energy is expected to be transformed in cinetic energy, and so the total energy is the same and the transformation is then symmetric .. so what's wrong with my explanation ? - at 7:35, you define the time translation symmetry by the fact that the energy of the system is the same some time later, and then say that for this type of symmetry, it is the energy wich is conserved. But that seems logic because the consequense is the hypothesis used. What's the utility for this ? Thank you in advance Grégory
@fosheimdet
@fosheimdet 7 жыл бұрын
Doesn't the apple have translational symmetry in the x and y directions, making Px and Py constant?
@adithyan9263
@adithyan9263 2 жыл бұрын
wow great video. i kinda had a thought abt something similar before. if we shrunk(or expand) everything in our universe by decreasing the size of atoms by a constant, would that be symmetric. i think it would be and if yes what if we could put normal atoms and minimized atoms in a room together how would they interact with each other? Another unrelated question: life(or intelligent life), exists and has a size of some huge number times the size of the atom. but isn't that sort of arbitrary.Could life evolve in the quantum world. but then it wouldn't exactly be " life" as we know it but something like that.All organisms we see are based on heaps of molecules(hail carbon). but could life form out of chunks of subatomic particles maybe a bit of quarks, muons, etc ???
@armanika
@armanika 8 жыл бұрын
Hey "Looking Glass Universe"! How can one contact you with a question!? Through YT comments?
@michaelanderson4849
@michaelanderson4849 3 жыл бұрын
Emmy was such a BOSS! It pisses me off to no end that she wasn't recognized at the time for what she achieved.
@UpayanM
@UpayanM 5 жыл бұрын
For the example at 6:47 wouldn't the ball have more total kinetic energy? Meaning energy would still be the same?
@andrcarb
@andrcarb 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this great lesson
@nujuat
@nujuat 8 жыл бұрын
Hey these are the things that are "linked" together with the uncertainty principle - the plot thickens!
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
Ding ding ding! Well spotted. I'm writing those videos now.
@sp495
@sp495 8 жыл бұрын
come back! your videos are awesome!
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 8 жыл бұрын
Really soon! Promise :)
@sp495
@sp495 8 жыл бұрын
+Looking Glass Universe woo! I'm excited!
@tomlowe6382
@tomlowe6382 8 жыл бұрын
If you can, could you (or someone else) summarize Dirac/bra-ket notation briefly, or perhaps just provide links to a webpage that you think summarizes it in layman's terms. As a British High-school student watching your (really fantastic) videos out of simple curiosity, i think it would help immensely with my understanding of the quantum mechanics ones in particular. Thanks so much :)
@rhisavbora2975
@rhisavbora2975 4 жыл бұрын
beautiful explaination..Can anyone please tell me momentum won't be conserved in elliptical orbits of planets right?I mean it would have energy variation in various parts of orbit..
@vasudevans1224
@vasudevans1224 8 жыл бұрын
Super symmetry means symmetric version of mass part and energy part in the standard model right??
@shubhamgupta8199
@shubhamgupta8199 7 жыл бұрын
About the symmetry in time: If we let a system evolve in time, for instance say mixing of black coffee and milk in an isolated cup. Obviously we see that the system is not symmetric in time yet the energy is conserved (I think!). How can we explain this?
@samgdotson
@samgdotson 6 жыл бұрын
This was a lot easier to understand than my professor's messy lecture notes.
@vicgamer305
@vicgamer305 8 жыл бұрын
Hey, could you (someday) explain the variation on gravitational energy between different heights? I'm a little bit confused by it, because my teacher says that it actually gets bigger the closer an object is to the "center of mass" of another object (in most cases a planet/star), which makes sense, since gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the Radius of the object's (supposed) circular orbit around that planet (in other words, height). Although I think that is true for examples on a greater scale, I realized that it doesn't look right in smaller scales, like in a variation of 4 meters or so. Is it (maybe) that it depends on the reference? Because on high school (I'm currently a senior in a brazilian school) we take the equation E = m.g.h and set standards for "g" and "h", being "g" the gravitational acceleration at a certain point and "h" the height between an object and that certain point. Sorry for the long comment, I'm just trying to understand this as I'm almost finishing high school and currently learning electrostatics (my teacher often makes comparisons between Laws of Gravitation and Laws of Electrostatics), in which I also learned that the charged particles always "look for" the places where there's the most electrical potential and not the least. I also just brought this up because you made that "mistake" at 3:08, it just made me even more curious for a possible answer. Nice videos by the way, I just came across this channel today and I must say that you are putting up a very interesting content! Keep up!
@Lisa-gm4kk
@Lisa-gm4kk 5 жыл бұрын
At 6.46 its said that the apple closer to the ground has a different energy, but it has the same amount of energy right? Because the potential energy indeed is smaller but the kinetic energy is larger because it has a larger speed right? (0.5*m*v^2)
@LookingGlassUniverse
@LookingGlassUniverse 5 жыл бұрын
Great question! But here I assumed the speed was the same (ie I didn't drop the apple- it just magically appeared closer to the ground).
@Jabber_Wock
@Jabber_Wock 5 жыл бұрын
Lisa thanks for the question I was wondering about that too! And Looking Glass Universe thanks for the clarification :-) Presumably your scenario does not go into gravitational effects of the nearby planet (acceleration) etc. correct?
@saikat93ify
@saikat93ify 7 жыл бұрын
I have heard of invariants in Mathematics in combinatorics and game theory. The idea is to look for some mathematical quantity that is invariant under an operation. This helps a lot. For example, in the game Nim - the invariant is the XOR of all the number of stones in each pile !
@TristanBomber
@TristanBomber 7 жыл бұрын
So what's the generator of reflective symmetry? And what symmetry does conservation of charge correspond to? I know you mentioned that there's a mathematical way to translate back and forth, but alas, I think the maths may be a bit above my head. My guess would be that conservation of charge might be related to the fact that there's no intrinsic "zero point" of electric potential (voltage) - we define zero as ground for convenience, but if you raised the potential of the entire universe by 10V, nothing would change.
@sT4cc0
@sT4cc0 3 жыл бұрын
Very nive video, thanks ! I rember from uni a prof of mine, a fluid dyn turbulence guy, used so called 'Li Symmetries'. Never took his course but would wonder, how this is related?
@user-mw2xd2ch5s
@user-mw2xd2ch5s 3 жыл бұрын
Symmetry is usually described using groups, I reckon the prof was talking about Lie Groups, there are probably the most important symmetries in physics. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie_group Ps: they are pronounced as li group
@atharvas4399
@atharvas4399 6 жыл бұрын
what do you mean by.. you can technically not use any conservation laws in physics??? Can you explain how?
@Enden31
@Enden31 5 жыл бұрын
Is there any difference with curie's principle ?
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