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Thanks for not chasing off your cat! What a handsome beast.

I can’t think of anything that makes sex sound grosser and dirtier than carnal intercourse.

Love the cat just fully vibing out right in front lol

Infertile or unmarried women cannot access the ONE role the church makes available to them. Also, they cannot access it WITHOUT A MAN. This is the simplest and (IMO) most inarguable way to shut down any of TSCC's claims re: women and their position in the church.

i found this channel about a month ago and i am just absolutely mind blown at the fact that you don’t have 100s of thousands of subscribers?!? how?? HOW?? you both are naturals! entertaining. informative. video quality is great. i have been into religious deconstructive content for years now and i genuinely don’t understand how i just found you guys.

I literally am listening to this while driving (don’t worry I’m not the one driving) and I just saw Sam walking down the street as I drove past. What a small world moment. It was serendipitous 😂

What broke me out of Mormonism mentally was watching cult documentaries, especially any related to Scientology. Like, L Ron Hubbard IS 20th century Joseph Smith, and David Miscavige IS modern day Brigham Young, especially with the ways all of them treated women. The similarities are frightening really. 😬

“And I think that applies to women too” Tanner is the true feminist

the harness juxtaposed with the spring green cardigan is *chefs kiss*

You get a background check working at Burger King.

Carnal Intercourse sounds like the name of a hardcore metal band

Brighamite Mormonism can be boiled down to: "have as many children as possible for us to indoctrinate, enslave, or abuse pls". I love watching exmo content and realizing that capitalism itself is a dangerous cult that uses many of the same manipulation tactics.

As a mother in the church, who has also attended other churches, I can testify that there is no care, consideration or honor for mothers in the church. Accommodations for nursing, diaper changing, the normal needs and activities of children, DO NOT exist in the church. Most other churches invite children into the main worship space, often focusing on the kids for a section of worship, but places are provided that recognize the needs of kids. Do you know how many wards I have attended where food is not allowed in the chapel, or you are shamed for leaving Sacrament Meeting. I dream of the Community of Christ temple where there is a room for parents and small children to participate and allow for everyone else to participate. Woman and Children are honors by word by not deed in the church!!!!!!!!!!

Topic idea: I don't remember how old I was but I'm guessing I was about ten or so and one of the activities for the young girls only was a session learning about geneology. Which is harmless in itself but they handed out folders and packets we had to fill out with our family history and the very first page was a clipart of a happy, smiling flower and underneath it it said, "grow where you are planted" and something didnt sit right with me as a kid when I read it. I didnt understand how that related to filling out family tree charts and I somehow knew it would be inappropriate to ask about it. as I grew older I realized it was telling us, the young girls, to know our place and don't think outside the box or have goals that arent aligned with church doctrine and stay submissive and focus on having a family.

As a mom and someone who worked in primary and activity day most of my adult life, the church does not prioritize or accommodate well for children! I started seeing it as soon as I had a baby and spent most of the time in the foyer or mother's lounge. The mother's lounges are tiny, and they all have the same really old chairs. The men would sit up on the stand and the moms were left to wrangle all the kids during sacrament meeting. I used to say that if the upper church leaders had to sit with their kids at church, it wouldn't be nearly as long. They took away the big fun primary activities they used to have when I was young. Then they changed the lessons to be less child-friendly. They used to include activity ideas and lessons that were easier for kids to understand, it's all the same lesson book now. My last sacrament meeting talk, I mentioned this and tried to give people ideas and Instagram accounts to follow that would help them teach their kids because the church wasn't helping.

I laughed at the jargon call-out for non-ex-Mormons. As an ex-catholic I’ve taken for granted that fact that all I need to explain most of the jargon to others is a Latin-to-English dictionary and an emphasis that it’s not considered “giving wine to children” once it’s been consecrated.

Before helping with children at my old church, I was required to pass a background check WHICH I PAID FOR MYSELF. They cost like $25. This is not a financial issue.

The name of the channel should be called “Banksy on the Shelf”

Honestly, a look at the most feminist and progressive Christian branches would be really interesting. I know the Quakers are pretty much the OGs of that but I've never done a deep dive

Our kids primary teachers hated us because we attended classes with them so they were never alone. There is child safety training with basic things like don't go into the classroom with the kids alone, wait until your co-teacher is there. Don't escort children to the washrooms, get their parents. Parents drop kids off and pick them up from class. None of this was followed. We did the safety training and have background checks as teachers and sat in class with our kids. The one teacher used to slam the door in our faces. They didnt teach the lesson anyways they just handed out sugar. Even my 8yr old called them out on it. Glad to be OUT!!

As a disabled lesbian, with genetic disabilities, who barely manages to take care of myself, I think it might be a bad idea to get married to a man and have kids. 😂

me seeing a Mormon say that theyre the ONLY ones to honour a female diety on the day of the week set aside to honour just ONE of my religion's goddesses is sending me.

28:53 the looks people used to give the loud children at church until the parent took them out of the chapel is all I can think about here lol so maybe the church should be more accommodating towards children... The children thing really triggered me because I witnessed so many times, first hand, seeing parents wrestling with their kids in the foyer and other members judging tf out of them for having misbehaving kids instead of offering to help them. Children are supposed to be seen and not heard in church. The quiet, obedient ones get praised and those are often times the kids that are being abused! Like it's so unhealthy, children are not the centerpiece at all and they are far from being protected.

Everyone who is exalted WON'T be in a straight monogamous relationship, though. They'll be in a polygynous one! One man, multiple women.

Can Tanner go on more rants please? 😅 You both have such great insights. Thank you!

Topic Ideas: The intersection of leaving Mormonism and becoming more liberal (in the sense of thinking out of your societal group). David Archelleta’s new song Book review of a Ekhart Tolle book Best way to navigate the question, “why did you leave the church” with a TBM. What we can expect from soon-to-be-Prophet Oaks. Maybe take a poll of the biggest shelf-breaking history moments for people and cover them??

*my wife tells me I'm endowed, but I think she's just trying to make me happy*

Gonna need the link to that harness, Tanner...

For a while all of my comments were being automatically deleted by KZfaq because I was using a VPN. It can be very mysterious why a comment gets deleted.

I'm Quaker, and we have had equal rights and treatment for women in our religious society since the 1650s. So yeah, there have been religious organizations that were feminist long before the Mormon church was even a thing. Also, Quakers believed that people of all races are equal, and they included people of color as equal members of our society since the 1650s as well. The Mormon church sure can't say that they were pro equality of people of color from the beginning of their religion, but quakers can say that. So yeah, the Mormon church is full of shit if it thinks it's the most feminist religious organization.

Thank you for doing this video. I saw the thumb nail to her video and almost clicked on it. Y’all saved me the trouble.

My trans daughter is getting baptized this weekend by her woman pastor at her Anglican Church. They’ve had women priest since the 1980s.

There is NO WAY “carnal intercourse” was a real apologetic!! Oh my gosh. Just when you think you’ve seen it all. 🍗🍽️

Did a little digging, and some of the board of directors for Scripture Central either were or currently are General Authority Seventies (Larry Wilson is a notable example). You also have Mike Hutchings, a trustee for the Ensign Peak Foundation. There are TONS of connections between ScripturePlus and the Mormon church; it'd be silly to think the church isn't influencing them at all. Fun fact: one guy from the board of directors, Dave Jenkins, is in a stake presidency and was the CEO of Conservice; while I worked there, he gave us "management training" that discussed the benefits of slavery. Not even kidding.

Shout out to Unitarian Universalism!

One lf my best friends works for Scripture Central. The LDS Chursch doesnt pay them. They get private funding from wealthy donors, but they also get the unofficial church endorsements.

25:49 As opposed to what? All the other organizations that downplay and degrade motherhood? Which organizations are those? and has she ever been part of any other organization outside of the LDS church? I feel like we are working with a limited frame of reference here lol Edit to add: as I continued to watch the video Sam went into this lol

Do an animated episode where you have a white salamander as a guest co-host. We all need to know what the white salamander has to say, perhaps some modern-day revelation.

Facts after facts after facts 👏👏

Love a good apologetics reaction! Would y’all ever consider making a vid about kwakus responses\church view from Carahs video with him? I’m curious your thoughts!

just got an LDS streaming service ad on this video lol

the kitty being so calm rlly helped balance out the vibes. 10/10 performance

30:23 The children’s sermon is something that they did in the churches I went to every year. I don’t know if they did it every Sunday or if it was just on Christmas and Easter. The pastor would invite the kids up to the front and talk to them directly and have a little discussion about the lesson. This was in a Lutheran church. I’m curious if other churches did that? Also do other churches have Sunday school where the kids usually have their class during the time that the adults are at the church service?

I wasn't watching this on full screen, and as Tanner showed the visual representation of the churches hierarchy, at first glance I thought it was all the same old white dude 🤣

Authority, in any religion, begins and ends with those who interpret the word of God, period. If a woman can't become prophet (the only LDS position that interprets the word of God), then women, by definition, have zero power/authority in the LDS church. Spinning narratives aimed to confuse the faithful doesn't change this simple fact. Cheers.

Hey! I thought of a suggestion for a video, if you’re interested in it at all. Something about twilight and its racist and sexist connections to Mormonism! It’s a video I’ve wanted to make but don’t have the energy haha, I’m sure yall would do it justice

Topic idea, why do some people have a faith crisis and become fundamentalist it seems obvious but I think there’s actually a lot of meat on that bone.

So what of single women then. It just never worked for me and though I'm not mormon I do feel that I'm left out of a lot of this type of thinking. In life in general single people are so ignored and thought little of though we usually give a lot to life in other ways. CC 🇮🇪 ireland ps adore your humour and take on all things ridiculous. As a historian I love delving into facts and am flabbergasted that Mormons can be so convinced ignorant and accepting of such a very dodgy foundation. And please let me know which God department deals with their investments I could do with a billion or 30!

Ngl his video was pretty shocking to me when it came to the discussion of sa. I've never attended any church, let alone the lds church, so I didn't know anything about this. You're telling me that people who work with children don't have background checks? And it's like normal? And the fact that the church doesn't have mandatory reporting laws so that guy could assault his children for years even though his bishop was aware of the abuse... That's some horrible stuff. No wonder that woman (sorry I don't remember her name) tries to justify it with the craziest stuff because this literally can not be justified. Yeah that's just sad and I hope that things will change. Also, on a lighter note, Banksy is so cute! I love it when he joins your videos)

Video idea - how have relationships in your lives changed since leaving the church?

If "Priesthood" is to men as "Motherhood" is to women, then quite literally the church and its apologists are saying the ability to exercise leadership authority equates to biologic traits and functions. Apply this rationale to other biological traits and functions... Boil it down, you get this: the qualifications to be eligible for authority within the institution are determined by chromosomal and genetic traits that develop in utero. Simultaneously, all individuals who have the potential for a specific biological function which benefits the population are obligated to perform that function. The institution then tells all individuals who participate that these traits and functions are a.)divinely created and b.)in every way must dictate choices and actions in this life, and c.)they determine your status and rewards in your afterlife. Aka, "different roles, but equally important". Things get wild when you start applying them to other biological traits and functions that aren't sex and gender. For example, let’s use blood type. Imagine if the LDS church taught that our loving, omnipotent Heavenly Father gives his power and authority to govern only to individuals with the B+ blood type because blood type is an eternal part of everyone's identities and Heavenly Father himself has the B+ blood type. In conjunction with the "ordained" governing structure, individuals who have O- blood have the divine obligation to donate as many pints of blood as they can possibly manage, and it is imperitive they give absolutely the maximum amount possible even to the detriment of their physical health and regardless of how they feel about needles. Extend the example a little farther, what if the church said it was a significant sin to give or receive bone marrow transplants because that alters an individual's blood type, and that it is better to suffer and die rather than to give or receive bone marrow transplants. In the afterlife those with B+ blood who used their power the way God would use it are rewarded with attaining his status. Those with O- blood who did what they were supposed to are rewarded with eternally continuing to donate blood. P.S., ignore people who say there are other blood types beyond B+ and O-, people who say there are other blood types or reject the authority given to those with B+ blood are corrupted, or at least under the influence of, Satan himself. When you use the stated justification the church and apologists give, then apply their system to other biological traits and functions, it illustrates how absurd, arbitrary, and dangerous it all is...

Let’s get this party started

Why are there dinosaur fossils from 50 million years ago if the Earth is 6000 years old? I used to believe this was because the Earth was "organized" from other destroyed worlds and maybe there were dinosaurs there before haha. Wow, so scientific!

34:44 So the question i have is: If you criticise that background checks aren't thorough enough, what exactly stops you from implementing a stricter background check within your church?! You CAN ask them more questions. You might not legally get more information than the applicants are willing to share (beyond the regular background check), but you CAN ask more questions and vet them. That's a responsibility YOU have to take, not wait until someone forces you to do it.

It seems to me that she enjoys the idea "I can trust the men who are in charge of my religion", it gives her emotional comfort and she's doing whatever she can to protect that idea in her own mind

Do a video on how to respond to gaslighting from those within the Church. I’m always hearing “Well that’s not my experience in Church.”

Wow she is maddening. Particularly about the background check stuff. What the hell is she thinking?

Ha the kitty lol 😂 great video but kitty makes this so purrrfect 😻 just vibing

Your cat brings me so much joy🥰

Omg you're coming to Costa Rica I'm not an mormon nor an ex-mormon but I love your channel :3

32:10 cat is like “this is boring, you should pay attention to me“

A cat!

This was VERY well done. Thank you so much for this!

What do you think is the church’s REAL reason for not wanting background checks? It would be harder to fill all of the callings related to youth/children? It would make them look bad to see people in callings fail a background check? I’m a teacher and can’t imagine not having to pass one to work in schools

Hi. Finally glad to catch up with yalls take on this. Already chuckling.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂thanks so much.

Tom was crestfallen when the _Serpents_ indignantly accused him of appropriating J.K. Rowling's style. "Bloody Hell ..." said Tom dully.

The mormon mind control is strong with this lady.😅

Love your videos! Some of the best are takedowns/debunks like this

God, listening to that girl is PAINFUL! Worse that nails on a chalkboard 🤦🏻‍♀️ Both of you are as GORGEOUS as ever! 💕

26:00 I don’t think any worship space downgrades motherhood. It’s usually quite the opposite.

oh how I laughed at the exchange of meat in this episode.

I am curious why the sacrament uses water, in my old (baptist) church they interpreted 'wine' to be grape juice for most of the mentions in the Bible, and therefore communion was grape juice and crackers

Why can't I worship Heavenly Mother then, ma'am? Edit: TBH, I don't really get the whole push for "I must prove this overtly patriarchal religion is feminist." Come on. Edit #2: Children absolutely need to be accommodated for, what the hell is she talking about? I haven't seen the inside of every or even most Mormon buildings, but the ones I have seen don't scream "child friendly" to me? I would've been just as bored there as I was when I went to Catholic mass as a child. The world is largely /not/ built with children in mind. Or parents for that matter.

“He passed her the meat” 😹😹😹💀

30:33 not Tanner and I having matching harnesses AND matching religions (actually I got the harness from my roommate who I later found out grew up UU)

I cannot believe the argument about background checks for people working with kids ........ she must just be repeating things and not fully thinking about what she's saying

Is dropping the "h" in "priesthood" a feature of American accents in general, or is it more of a Utah thing that has become more common for Mormons elsewhere too? I can't remember ever hearing people pronounce it that way unless they're talking about Mormonism.

"Treating children like something you have to accommodate for" .... like? You do? Like you have to accommodate for people who have different needs? Like her using accommodate as a bad word is extremely clarifying- having to look at individual needs is a bad thing in her mind- its only good if everyone fits in the box and are treated like they fit in the box

10:24 it just hit me that this argument of “women can’t procreate without a man, men can’t use the priesthood without women” is only saying “men need someone to oppress in order to to be saved” 😂😂😂😂

My nevermo coworker actually recommended y'all to me today when we were talking about exmormon stuff at work. She loves this kind of stuff. I honestly can't think of a good mormon apologetic argument, but I did want to say that your cat just chilling while y'all talk is giving me life. He's such a cute boy.

My mormon ancestor restarted the relief society.

Reach out if you want me to detail all of the financial connections between scripture central and the More Good Foundation & LDS church. It's complicated. Most of the funds come from wealthy members who may be encouraged to donate directly to scripture central. The finances are not public and not transparent.

I love your cat!!

8:17 cat is living his BEST life Edit: the side dish of Banksy is *mwah* I love him

I grew up in a UU church and I really loved my experience there. They had us there for part of the main sermon but because we had limited attention with things that weren't geared towards us, they had us in a class where we learned about all the major world religions and morality and some history of the church. It was very fun and informative. When i got older, I realized I was an agnostic atheist but no hard feelings towards UU, they started a lifelong fascination with music and world religions.

I swear. Y’all are about to make me buy this damn Costa Rica trip. 😅

As a result of this conditioning, is it any wonder that young women rush to marriage and motherhood, as the only option to buy respect and status? And thrn when even that depreciates, the resentment builds.

29:40 "The Nursery [...] run by some volunteer...". HAHAHAHA "volunteer". Oh, Tanner, that's precious. It's a calling, and when my wife and I were still going 20 years ago, refusing a calling from God was implied to be a major sin, so when the Bishop told us to do it, we did it. Nothing about it was "voluntary". And yes, we were way unqualified to watch other people's kids for two hours.

React to David archuleta’s single about leaving the church

Also when background checks could give a false sense of security.. that just means we need to do MORE besides just the background check.

There are also books from jiseph smiths era which were written in biblical styles. Also who are the experts the apologists also reference?

Does she know that “new and everlasting” covenant is polygamy? 😂

I lol’d at the simultaneous “because they are forced to!”

Love having cat in frame for your videos. I approve.

Hello! I don’t see your Venmo link in your bio.. am I missing it? Absolutely love your content ☺️

Topic idea: Sound of Freedom movie and the sneaky Mormon influences!! There is so much Mormon stuff in the background from Angel Studios and Tim Ballard 😮

9 auxiliary girlbosses 😂

I always found it super interesting while at byuh that for an institution that constantly tells its students to have children at any cost they have very few systems for supporting young parents trying to finish school.

I don’t know why but i’m addicted to watching that scripture plus chic. There’s something about her I find satisfying. Maybe it’s a girl thing. I actually follow her on twitter. 😂