True, but alot of tables will have ways to deal with them if they're a threat, the fact is that none of the threatening fast mana rocks are indestructible or have some form of protection from destruction

@@WittyCorvian If they drop it mid to late game, sure. The big problem is if they drop it EARLY. Someone drops a Mana Crypt turn 5 it can probably be dealt with. Someone drops a Mana Crypt turn 1 or 2 and they'll be so far ahead by the time it CAN be dealt with that it won't matter.

@@zackkelley2940 there are ways to deal with it early game in most colours, with red, you can steal and sac it, green can destroy it easily, blue can use a force counter spell

My point is there are more oppressive stuff in edh than fast mana, sure they can be problematic if left unchecked, but there are alot of cards like that that are ignore at your own risk moreso than fast mana

@@WittyCorvian There ARE more oppressive things, this is true.

Honestly, this video made me unsubscribe from Mitch. I wasn't digging his view on EDH for a while, but this video, pandering to people who just want to barf value and don't want to see their resources denied or being interacted with, even though resource denial has always been at the core of MTG as much a resource accruition, was the last straw. Look at his example of Worldslayer. What's wrong with the game being over when someone manages to equip an indestructable creature with a 5 mana artifact and equipping it for 5? Yeah, you can't interact anymore, so you lost, but how is it different from losing because everybody got smacked for a bazillion damage by a Craterhoof or any other win condition? You don't have to play out the game after Worldslayer, just congratulate the player who pulled it off and start a new game. However, Mitch makes it seem like people will have a bad time, while that is just not the case. At least not every time I saw it happen. Same goes for fast mana, the Command Zone made a video on how fast mana impacts the powerlevel of your deck and said that they have been removing fast mana from most their decks. But they did it in a way that still respected people for not making that choice and mentioning that fast mana isn't the problem per se, just the density of fast mana and the level of the rest of the deck combined. Mitch just gives players more ammunition to hate up front, instead of having an open mind and judging the performance of the deck objectively, whether it has fast mana or not.

Don't most big creature decks usually include green? A Naturalize, Nature's Claim, or similar will take care of this easily enough. Though I suppose a mono black or dimir big creatures deck might have some issues with it.

Ya that is 100% my playgroups. My defender deck is just hated for that card alone. Has just stopped games.

@@LiveLNXgaming Here's another card that is great in Defender decks and such-like... Noetic Scales. 4: During each player’s upkeep, return to owner’s hand each creature that player controls with power greater than the number of cards in his or her hand. Artifact

@zackkelley2940 I would play that 1 time and get banned. My walls are already the benchmark for other people to try and beat.

@@LiveLNXgaming Do they... not run removal? Artifacts are one of the easier types to get rid of.

Or sacrifice

Hey, you wanna know what's hilarious about Karn, The Great Creator?

@@andrewamann2821 He can bring back artifacts from exile, I'm aware. You'd have to exile him first.

@@zackkelley2940 the question then becomes: "when do you intend to do that, and how?" Being proactive, you could Jester's Cap it out of the deck, but, as a solution, that's kinda slow, and you risk not finding him there. You could also just try milling aggressively, with some heavy graveyard hate, but, ultimately, that's just guesswork. Being defensive, you could hold up an exiling counterspell, but without a Mycosynth Lattice in play, he's not much more than a basic annoyance, and there are other ways to get Karn in, without him ever seeing the stack, which means that you will also have to hold up a stifle effect, which buys you a turn, maybe. Timing rules say that, unless there are triggers upon him landing, a smart player will get that grab from exile ability on the stack before you can do anything about it, and if Karn is meant to be a protective piece, and not a lock piece, neither he, nor the monolith, are going to intentionally exist on the field concurrently, without a damned good reason, in which case, there are likely much bigger fish to fry, and he's probably holding another deck back from popping off. Alternatively, you could just play Lavinia, and the monolith becomes mostly blank until someone kills the hate bear...

I was also doing Worldslayer and Darksteel Forge, but using Artifact Lands and an artifact only deck. So ... destroy all permanents ... except everything I have... Oh, and I plan to do this every turn....

Do you one even better, in response to the world slayer trigger, Teferi's Protection.

Or heroic intervention.

I used mindslaver on someone who had necropotence in play. It was great

@@birdman9580 Oof. That's bad. Scapeshift and Ad Nausium would be two other funny hits, but I've never personally seen either. Also, Doomsday to find 5 basic lands....

World Slayer on a Trample Artifact with Darksteel Forge. I hope you have a lot of cards that exile or cause me to sacrifice!

Worldslayer is just boring. If someone manages to get that on an indestructible creature and no one has removal for it... just scoop. The game is effectively over at that point anyway.

@@zackkelley2940 Absolutely true. Funny thing was, no one played with it. It was considered a junk card in my area of GA for years. Only after my deck trashed them did they suddenly go, "That's messed up."

@@kevinmorbidthelostcronin1984 why anyone would try to play through that is beyond me. Even if you get lucky and top deck something like a Nature's Claim to answer it... you'll still be so far behind it won't matter anyway.

Not mean if you are a green player 😈 with a lot of removal.

Green, notorious for it's removal😂

I believe tap is the cost to activate

@@UnholyWrath3277 really? I always interpreted cost as what you pay to use it, like the ravnican signets and such

@@WittyCorvian its an action you have to take to activate so can be defined as a cost otherwise itd just be constant

To show that everything else on the list was worse than sol ring. Brings quite the perspective

Sol Ring only makes beginners mad

I have had an Artifact deck with this for around 10 years. I loved pairing Mindslave with Skeleton Key and Blinkmoth Urn. If I had these three cards, plus something like Mana Vault and two lands, the other side just gave up. 10 mana to recycle mindslave each turn, but Blinkmoth is giving you around 6 at the most basic (using Artifact Lands) with at least 5 more tappable. Heaven forbid you draw more land or cast more artifacts. Wait ... is that a Darksteel Forge...

Yes

I found the stax player guys. He's right over here.

Look, I made this Artifact deck with most of these cards like ten years ago. Almost no one was playing commander yet ... so ... Grandfather Clause? Actually, not my saltiest deck. I did a huge amount of work for one gamestore owner back around Weatherlight and Mercadian. The deal was I was paid in cards. He figured I would go for a high value card or two, but I took a lot of cheapish rares and uncommons. I used it to build a Blue deck that focused on Capsize and Tradewind Riders. The opponent understood what was going on when they watched me return more cards than the could play each turn. More over, most of my creatures had Defender. When I eventually played Feldon's cane, they realized the point of the deck was the wait until we both ran out of cards, but for me to recycle my graveyard and win after they decked themselves. I was not allowed to play it in 'friendly' games. They preferred to lose to the salty Artifact deck.