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I love the Cosmos choke joke coming out the day after he wins Glitch

6:09 That example is so funny because Timothée Chalamet actually plays (or played) melee and has an old youtube channel where he mods controllers

2:57 this was like The first time ive seen coneys general facade of baiting dropped He seemed legit angry here

PPMD showed up less sure, but the « gods » no matter how corny it is, I do agree on that, were considered as such because they could only beat themselves especially in the glory days when the 5 of them could compete at the same time. PPMD, as most of you know has been sick for a while now, he just couldn’t go on, he still streams though ! Much love to him

PPMD was a god, since he only ever lost to the other gods, and was one of the few players among the 4 other gods to win majors and consistently be top 8. Unfortunately his health sidelined him for so long. That's what crippled his full potential

Did y’all know subscribing to Coney is free? I didn’t, but now my life is so much better knowing that it is and having done it

You miss 100% of the misfires you don't go for, Coney.

I'm gonna fix your comparison there. Imagine MrBeast rolls up to an EVO-sized Ultimate tourney with Falco and starts whooping everyone with full-stage zero-to-death combos.

weren't they referred to as the gods because the only people to really beat them for an extended period was each other? at least thats what I thought was the reasoning for including m2k and ppmd

"Cole and Dylan Sprouse.. from Big Daddy" 😂

Its actually insane jontron was there. Mustve been the most hype tourney ever

Wow this JonTron guy sounds awesome! I’m gonna look up what cool stuff he’s been doing since then

"stop reading anime" okay grandpa it's time for bed

mew2king was the best in melee and brawl at the same time for a while, mostly why he's considered a god. also because he was like the first to actually analyze frame data n stuff for melee

im 32 and started in 64 back in 99, and competed in the chicago scene for both games. im kind of 50/50 between edge-hogging and ledge-trumping. both have their advantages. i have always felt that winning a game or set with an edge-hog was lame 80% of the time, but it got the job done. ledge-trumping to me is a really cool way to somewhat integrate offstage play and reward either player for their boldness.

Ppmd was one of the gods because during that stretch of time, there were 5 players who were consistently either winning or competing to win and ppmd was one of the five. He was winning or considered a top player for a few years before leffen really broke through. He actually may have been falling out with his health stuff when leffen really starting playing well.

PPMD just showed less, but when he did, he was god-tier, I think??? Fair enough though Also it's a shame Jontron turned into a crazy person, because he was THE guy for a time.

I'M CRYING LMAO He caught me with the cyclone bait 💔💔💔💔

I personally like edgehogging but I get why it was Removed and don't mind. You forget that 90% if not more that plays Smash are casuals and could not care for competitive balance and what competitive deems "fun." Casuals want to be able to get back on stage and fight more so devs buffed a lot of recoveries and removed edgehogging. Sm4sh was the worst with magnet hands but at least that was toned down into Ult.

14:04 My (main) issue with ledge-hogging is the person grabbing ledge is supposed to be in disadvantage. Melee's edgehogging is SO beneficial that ledge is the safest place to be, provided you grab ledge again before your invincibility expires. See Westballz vs M2K, where M2K grabbed ledge over and over while throwing out Marth fair in-between ledge grabs. Westballz gave up because he couldn't contest M2K's "disadvantage" state.

I thought it was common knowledge that Hbox was the last of the 5 gods to gain god status, I'm surprised Coney didn't know that

2:57 was real. Melee players did treat us like lesser people, if like people.

I love how all the weird glitches and exploits in melee make it the lovable mess it is, but it’s still a valid e-sport Edit: 13:17 as someone who played competitive brawl, I like the old way better. Way more fair to both players

I could be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken, PPMD reached "godhood" insanely fast. I ran the first Smash tourney he (and his brother, I think?) ever attended, or so he told me, at some dinky little video game store in NC. His first tourney, and he was taking out guys from our state's Power Rankings. I don't remember how high he placed, but he was super impressive from the offset.

As a Luigi main, this set was extremely satisfying to watch

Luigi is the altrive of smash bros

This video of Walt's is very well made, fascinating and funny. It's what got me into Melee content on KZfaq

who was and wasn't a god is the people who could win majors between 09 and 18. in that time frame only the gods and Leffen won tournaments, the reason why he was the god slayer was he was the first ( and technically the only) won who had beaten all five but hadn't won a tournament. the reason why we don't think of Plup that way is because he was a little too late to play in the era with PPMD. most people would agree the five gods era definitely ended in 2018 when armada retired. the reason PP was so certainly a god was he had beat all of the other four consistently before the term was even coined, so he didn't have to be the slayer. Also i think he was ranked 1st in the summer 2014 rank, and only the gods ( and now Zain) have ever been ranked no.1 in the world.

Yo that bait at 11:13 had me rolling for a minute Hilarious XD

Can’t believe that Coney predicted Cosmos winning a tournament

I love how the 8 bit graphic of the 5 melee gods accurately represented M2Kings hairline

props to the editor for that Dastardly reference

I’m from the old days and much prefer ledge trumping. Edge hogging mainly hurt the worse characters, for example Zelda, Ganondorf, and so on. Everyone being *able* to grab ledge just means that there’s a lot more mind games allowed at ledge AND it means that players can go deeper off stage for active attempts to keep people from coming back. We can’t have the hype Fatality chasing off stage moments with ledge hogging, it’s extremely risky to go off stage with ledge hogging in place.

Should also try to check out AsumSaus at some point. I know his vid on the flaws with Melee is controversial to some of the pro players, but many of his other vids also do a good job highlighting the jank you see in many tournaments

13:38 (I play melee and ultimate) the reason I like the new system better is melee punishes way too hard for going deep off stage and technically ultimate does not (even though its best to just ledgetrap). Melee's ledge is just waaay too safe so a lot of edge guards feel kind of samey. In ultimate if you choose to edge guard instead of ledgetrap you have tons of options and even if they get back you can trump back air and still do stuff. You also don't just die if you have a bad recovery and your opponent grabs the ledge.

9:04 "But he's been like this since Melee." My guy, Luigi's been the weird one since Super Mario Bros. 2. That's where he gained a higher jump and lost traction. Games that keep those two features simply add on to what was there and make him weirder. And yes mean Lost Levels (though it applies to Super Mario Bros. USA / Doki Doki Panic as well). And yes I'm aware this video is two years old.

PPMD is a god. Because it’s not how many tournaments you win. It’s the way you win and the impact you make, and boy did PPMD make a huge impact on the Melee scene, especially the way he revolutionized the way people play falco

i prefer ledge guarding how it is in ultimate, as in "intercepting them before they have the chance to hit ledge" as opposed to "i touched ledge and you didnt"

Imagine how sad it would feel losing to a green dork doing his best mime impression

"Cole and Dylan Sprouse" :D "From Big Daddy" D:

Timothy Chalamet is a melee frog so he would never

12:26 I think chatter was right about missed wavedash sorta, I think that full hop land shield was a waveland on stage, which allows you to go a lot farther than a normal wavedash, but Abate just didn't tilt the stick enough to get a direction

I had no clue jontron played melee that Story is kinda cool

Funny that coney used Timothee Chalamet as the example because he actually played Melee at that time

Asumsaus has a good movie on when PPMD was #1 in the world which highlights how good he was. When he was in his prime, oh boy.

I remember watching when this happen and yelling ceiling glitch as the casters did know what happened.

This is completely unrelated Coney, but have you ever seen the bee movie?

I never knew that John Tron played smash him showing up to that and chain grabbing is awesome

RE: your comments about the five gods and why some were considered gods Armada and Mang0, self explanatory. Hungrybox could generally beat any of the five gods but could never beat all in attendance until 2014 when he started shooting for Armada's number one spot. Mew2King was the first god and was the best player in the world until Mang0, and even then was the last god to lose to Leffen. PPMD was usually considered the third or second best god throughout the five gods era, at least until the end and his eventual retirement. What defined godhood was at any point not losing very often. Even the worst god (most normally M2K or Hbox) was leagues better than the next best player. Leffen was not that good compared to the gods, he was just better by a long stretch than any other non-god. During the era before he beat every god he was giving people runs for their money, but could not beat M2K, and could not win anything with more than 3 gods in attendance to my knowledge.

Yes! More TDFW content! I’d recommend watching the Axe video if that’s in your interest :)

I played against abate’s marth on unranked once and he kept wd downsmashing me

Coney will smith is relevant, he's one of the biggest youtubers

I just noticed during your cosmos speech was spliced

Angry Coney is amazing

Had to google what the bait was, i always thought the luigi down B was just a stupid taunt in between stocks

Genuinely leaving a like on this video because Coney gives credit to the people he's reacting to

This video is just Coney explaining for far too long that he hates fun

Yooo wtf, I've never heard about JonTron showing up to a tournament! AND he just chaingrabs for one match. That's craaazy. He did play Brawl with Arin in the old Grump days, so I guess I'm not totally flabbergasted that he played Smash more than I thought.

6:28 Damn ummm... I kinda don't know who this is...

TIL luigi's cyclone needs to be "charged" in melee. but the smashwiki doesnt explain what charging it actually does. does it make it do more damage or something?

Every game at some point or another will become a flow chart. Thats just how it goes.

4:41 This is how I play competitively some times and it's fucks people up so much 🤣 Doing things that don't make sense and playing low tier is one of my strats

Go and watch PPMD's Falco combos from when his health was better and could play a lot. You wont ever question his skills again. He could come back and top tournaments today

14:25 THANK YOU

You have to watch the meleestats video on ppmd and lozr vs hbox and crunch. It's soooooo good

Yo, Turndownforwalt content?!? Heck yeah. Shoutouts to his "Best of _____" montages, I loved those vids.

The down B after taking a stock is to charge the move

Bruh ppmd didnt go to big house cuz he was depressed

Lol that Jontron fact was random. Good to know.

I never knew John Tron played smash :D

PPMD is the Hades?

Chat not knowing who timothee chalomet is very telling

I got baited by the luigi down B thing

Yes, cosmos the choker who won glitch last night lmao, shit changes

Timothée Chalamet already sad that he was into melee

Luigi down b can be charged or un charged. Un charged it cannot help with recovery. You charge it by using it on the ground. It becomea uncharges when using itnin the air.

The Cosmos part aged very well

edgehogging > ledgetrumping With ledgetrumping, it makes offstage less disadvantageous than being cornered by the edge. The point in edgehogging is to force your opponent to land on stage, which is generally bad, because you get invincibility for recovering to ledge and your in endlag when you land on stage. Ledgetrumping doesn't do that which is why people tend to recover to ledge. Not to mention, recoveries have only gotten better over iterations of smash, so players will have more than enough resources to recover under the ledge 99% of the time. I thought the point in putting you opponent offstage is that they have no stage to work with and your resources are limited until you touch the stage again. But for characters like ROB, it seems has more options offstage than when he's cornered onstage, which, to me, is stupid. Like why should it be easier to kill someone when they have a little bit of stage control than when they have no stage control?

Timothee Chalome actually really like Smash Bros

What they should do or should’ve done with ledges should’ve been: ledge hogging exists but only when you have invincibility so if you grab the ledge before the other person but you have no invincibility the get a trump

You should react to AsumSaus he does great content on Melee

11:12 the best bait of all time

I wouldn't mind ledge hogging if you remove ledge invincibility.

funny thing timmy plays melee

FELLAS!

eddy mexico is a real one

14:56 I LOVE LEAN 💜

Anyone think Coney should watch the April Fools Hbox faint clip?

Leffen got called the God Slayer, as the first to beat all 5. Leffen's fairly sus, but that title is dope af.

Lmao the JonTron appearance

i accept no PPMD slander

JON TRON KNOWS HOW TO CHAINGRAB POG!

iBDW posted a vid of a Bo5 with Abate on unranked

Don't worry coney, I've heard of all 4 but have no idea who ppmd is

"Obama SDI-ing Bayo comboes"

AsumSaus is another really good melee youtuber

Coney- “melee is corny”

6:43 he WHAT

brawl ledges were my personal fav. actually had to hold and not melee where you can just occupy it for 2 seconds as you slowly roll off ledge