And against bots too, clearly this is the most survivor sided map in the game

He’s playing with bots just fooling around. He wasn’t playing serious

@@LoneWolfe_XX no no, no need to defend me, i was trying to win

@@ScottJundrespect for the honesty you’ll get em next time buddy

@@LoneWolfe_XX XDDD bro stop

Yeah a couple unsafe pallets is fine, they’re there to force a stun and make distance. They act as a last ditch effort to get away that takes a bit of timing and luck. They should be about as common as god pallets, meaning rare but not absent. Most pallet loops should be large enough to be safe when dropped, but small enough they can potentially be mindgamed by both sides

@@pistolmoth4198 well, then it's predrop heaven, where killer is forced to break most of the pallets

Remove the bad three gen, for the hedge tiles make them longer, actually add in tiles on deadzones (there should always be some tile even with the worse rng), for those crate pallets behind the house's make them slightly longer, and please add a pallet near the isolated generator that spawns at the end of the street. DO NOT TOUCH THE WINDOWS!

It's already pre-drop heaven​@@jokere9880

tbf... it's to counteract the opposite philosophy they had for the previous 8 years, where it was just a bunch of completely safe pallets that have zero counterplay other than "teehee run around til they drop and on to the next loop"

It's almost as if making a map based off a neighborhood is a bad idea

I've always wondered to what extent they're constrained by the license holder with these things.

@@TheRealFigLizardUnlikely to affect actual gameplay stuff beyond “don’t change too much from the license”

I think the map team just sucks. They haven’t really been doing a good job

This consistently true for all licensed maps

Haddonfield is Russia? Okhrenet' that makes so much blyat, I mean sense.

Not even just maps, whenever they nerf something they OVER NERF it. Like nerfing med kits, they nerfed them in 2 or 3 different ways, then what they could've done was Nerf it 1 way, see how it performed then add another need if deemed necessary. Same goes for perks, DS got to where it could only be used if they didn't do a conspicuous action but then also reduced to 3 seconds.

Sure, scott, thats why i get haddonfield offering almost same often as rpd, because its very killer sided xD Good luck keeping 3 gen when one of them on second floor with safe drops especially if you take 2 balance and 2 sprints on team. Two sit and stealth in main, and two doing further one and sprint to Kentucky every time you drop from main building

@@xLWxPhantom Imma be honest here, The purple and Green Medkit deserved the nerfs they got. They we're way too strong, Purple Medkit before could have healed you upto 5 times and green medkits heal speed was insane.

@@ssjkakarotttv2676 I'm not saying they shouldn't have been nerfed in specific aspects, I'm just saying with other aspects getting nerfed on top of them it just didn't seem necessary to go so hard on everything. Like setting the charges to 24 on all, and then making it take longer to heal yourself and making them less efficient, that part is fine. Then they nerfed add ons like crazy, even did dumb ones like removing extra points for great skill checks on the suture and needle. Some add ons didn't deserve to change or reduce the charges on them because the medkits got a change at their base like crazy.

@@ssjkakarotttv2676 and it was just an example that not just maps get changed way too much, other things like items, perks are also subject to being over nerfed quite often.

Dredge.

Dredge.

Personally I don’t think there’s such a thing as “killer sided” maps. The closest you’ll get is balanced.

That is definitely one of the harder things to pin down. The game is really awful...if you're not playing Ghostface or Michael. Swamp is fucking awful for tracking survivors...course, who cares if you're playing Doctor or a trap based killler. RPD sucks so much on either side...except of course Wraith, Michael, Artist, Unknown. Big open maps like the cornfield also means there's not much stealth and a lot of hold W...course, Hillbilly and Oni doesn't care about that. And this isn't going into perks or add-ons. Truly 100% killer sided maps are surprisingly rare in the game.

Dredge.

irony.

You mean how the tables turn ?

@@cloudy978 the tables have turned thust they are now turn tables

@@ihavebraindamage4445 but then it's still turned ? I don't get it might be my fault not a native english speaker.

@@cloudy978 oh I didn't realize that you weren't a native speaker 😭. Tables turned is the correct phrasing but I was just using a quote from a TV show where one of the main characters says it wrong lol.

I returned recently and observed that most maps have like no pallets and gigantic deadzones. It's so strange, because I was on swamp and a good half of the map had nothing. And then some maps have like some pallets but then all of them suck and are unsafe so you might as well not have them.

@@aatb3719 I’m glad someone sees that because I knew it was odd on how the maps were

@@LoneWolfe_XX I get that the game was way too survivor sided, but playable pallets like the autohaven or macmillan ones should be on every map. It's just bad for new/returning players since I obviously don't have the skill to loop well and god help the new players lol. They drop a pallet for safety only for a killer to lunge around it. And don't even get me started on the deadzones. Makes windows a complete requirement lol.

@@aatb3719 facts man but killers love throwing salt on why survivors have windows. You kind of need windows at times especially if your solo que

It also used to be one of the most OP maps in like year 1 to 2 of dbd, so they just gutted the map. It used to just have every pallet spawn which made it like 18 or some crazy shit, this even being after the removal of double pallets in jungle gyms.

I always disagreed with this take heavily, because Shelter Woods often spawned multiple jungle gyms. I used to run Windows of opportunity back in the day when everyone said it was merely a new player perk, and I was good at being greedy and utilizing windows as much as possible before wasting pallets. As long as you were paying attention, pre-running, planning your path, that map was super easy to play as survivor, not to mention it was the 2nd biggest map in the game after Red Forest.

@@FelipeV3444 That's only if you even got T/L walls or jungle gyms. Before SM, every time I got the map, it was all half gyms with no windows. I saw a single T/L wall in the tines I've gotten this map

even tho the tiles aren’t that strong that map feels absolutely ginormous I can’t explain why tho

That was easily the best killer map until they reworked it into another survivor sided conjoined loops carnival. Old shelter against a good killer was almost unwinnable

its funny because the very first version of shelter woods was actually super survivor sided

New shelter woods is worse

@@ScottJundwhat did it have that made it survivor sided?

@@ScottJund was it? Picked dbd back up when twins came out, so I only remember the version before skull merchant

this is not a bad thing. Part of the map problems this game has is they're simply way too fucking big.

For surv it’s horrendous for killers it’s great news

I don’t know why they made it smaller when it was already below average

Holding a 3 gen doesn't mean anything, since there's so many times the killer can damage a gen. Just play the long game, maybe place a boon on the other side of the map and play it safe. He will have to commit at some point, which is to say that he'll lose.

Played against a Deathslinger on Saloon and he had such a good tri gen at the gallows part of the map. He legitimately didn't do any chasing the entire game and just stayed there. Eventually won since a random had Circle of healing but it was such a boring match.

that map has some sight issues I can hardly see survivors there I always escape there and underperform as killer lol

It depends on the killer. Nostromo is a huge map that is awful for killers without mobility or with the power that straight up relies on survivors screwing up on top of not ending up on a large map (Legion). Most "killer sided" maps as Scott correctly puts it, are killer-sided only for certain killers. Perfect examples are indoor maps for stealth killers vs ranged killers/larry. RPD for example is the best most braindead and lethal map Ghostface can play on (seriously, it is pure bliss), but good luck when you load up into it as an Artist, (thus losing part of your power due to the multilevel layout together with some slightly higher spots similar to swamp that causes crows straight up miss due to slightly different the height).

There's a huge misconception between "killer sided" and "Fair". Just because something isn't survivor sided doesn't mean "killer sided". Midwich is not "killer sided". It's "skill sided". Unless you're talking about Nurse, but you can't single out specific killers.

@@PallyLIVE If a killer wants to proxy camp a hook in a hallway on Midwich, they can scout both hallways by just standing there because the hallways act like an intersection for all possible angles, the survivors have to go all the way around the entirety of the map to the other corridor just for the killer to turn 90 degrees and catch them there. As for the exit gates, what about Trappers traps on the short distant exit gates? Imagine Spirit's phase, or Knight, or Blight, or Nurse, or Billy or Chucky. I agree that Midwich has some toughish loops I get that, but mostly within reasonability. You are supposed to break pallets as a killer sometimes you know.. What killer hates this map? Stealth killers love it, mobility killers love it, trap-based killers love it. So many builds work on this map from skillcheck Doctor, to mirror Myers, to Pig aura builds, there's so much that is enabled on this map for killer, and that's a good thing to a degree, but you can't say that Midwich isn't beneficial for killer. It's the shortest map on the game in square meters with the closest exit gates in the game. What killer player spawns on Midwich and says "Oh no, not Midwich, I'm at a disadvantage"? I would say it's quite a relief most of the time

​@@PallyLIVEI wouldn't say the exit gates having a guaranteed spawn where the killer can more or less stand in between them and see if you're on it 'skill sided'. I didn't know guaranteed spawns are skill sided now?

@@PallyLIVENono I'm a killer main and I will complain endlessly about survivor sided maps like Badham, Eyrie, Nostromo, and Garden. But claiming that Midwich isn't killer sided is counter productive. You cant just point at Survivor sided maps and then make excuses for Killer sided maps it's a two way street. The reason it's killer sided is the tiny size of the map, being the only indoor map that killers like huntress and blight can play well, the absolutely god awful gate spawns, most of the strong loops lead into dead ends (bathroom pallet and clock tower pallets), and the two floor setup making it hard to tell where the killer actually is (This one is a double edged sword as it does make traveling the map harder for killer)

​@@PiscesSenpaishortest map on paper but on game You have to go the whole map to go up and then you have 4 or 5 ways down unless You are nurse

wife had it custom made for me for my birthday, no idea!

Midwich is saved by 2 things: 1. A lot of the loops are a lot better than people claim, the average just isn’t good to run them 2. The multi-floor setup on top of the fact the the only way to get up are always on the extreme edges of the make the it artificially large and difficult to get around These two things keep it from being completely killer sided

the main is good for head on so maybe thats why

No one playing the 3gen is going to commit to a chase outside of the 3gen.

funny thing is there is no 3 gen they put 2 gen spots extra in the back yards on both side there usually 1 in the myers house one by the porch by the slides and by the shed pallet other side behind left house in the left hous center house basement in the back between center house and house on right and one in the right house plus the 2 spots on the end and the occasional center ones in the middle of the map. probably most gen variations of any map lol and again deja vu exists

fun fact: one of those doors actually makes the main window loop safer with a different route, check out Mr Tatorhead for this one

Well they're close together because the maps are becoming smaller and smaller and there's only so much spacing you can have between them without putting gens at the edgewall like that one gen on Swamp.

You can still hold 3 gens.. People act like the "regression limit" prevents you from holding 3 gens. It does not. It prevents you from playing like a Chess Merchant and hold the 3 gen from the very start of the match till the end of the match, it doesn't prevent you from holding a 3 gen at like 2 gens left.

@@larsliamvilhelmholding a 3 Gen at 2 gens left is just the right play. There’s nothing toxic about that.

@@MechaSandvich When the fuck did i say it was """toxic"""?

Exactly. Literally nothing spawns there. 1/4 of the map is empty grass

At least, there's a shack and decent jungle gym tiles on Greenville, but yes, filler pallets might as well not exist on that map, they're so bad

Well you're not wrong, Haddonfield USED to be like that, but after the rework which I think was last year, the map got way more balanced.

Yeah, same. lmfao

That's all that needs to be done. The map is fair otherwise. You don't need a million safe pallets for a map to be balanced.

@@PallyLIVE It's not lmao. If you increased the size by 30% but kept the same tile strengths, it would maybe be okay.

Remove the 3 gen and add a building or maybe even shack to the big empty spot. Maybe increase the map size a little, but it shouldn’t be as large as it was before.

@@larsliamvilhelm It's fine now with the exception of the 3 gen. What you're doing is exposing your lack of skill.

my thoughts exactly. new haddonfield is killer sided, but greenville square is way worse

Even if you get the stun, you'll still die.

Nahh, I love that map as survivor. The pier is often strong, the main building is actually disgusting and while the middle can be a little sparse, you're never far from either of those two or shack. And it's pretty easy to stealth and disappear when killers are patrolling.

@@GangsterGreg oh yeah, pier is a trouble spot for killer. Map has good tall grass to crouch in. Mini building can have a nasty vault on it. Main building? Y'all can have it, I'm not going there, don't need to. You're gonna have to come to me huahahahahaaaa -- and GangsterGreg probably juice me at pier lol How've you been?