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The MOST POPULAR Bait On Tour - Rate The Bait Pt. 8

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Mark Daniels Jr.

Mark Daniels Jr.

Күн бұрын

On this weeks rate the bait we did one of the most requested baits as well as the most popular bait on tour... the chatterbait. We love doing these videos for you guys. Comment below what baits you want us to rate when we go up North for the last three tournaments of the year.
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@Rbunton1987
@Rbunton1987 Жыл бұрын
Like him or not Jacobs knowledge of all things bass fishing is incredible.
@AlfredoTorres-sb6sw
@AlfredoTorres-sb6sw Жыл бұрын
My favorite recurring show on the internet.
@jimclemmons408
@jimclemmons408 Жыл бұрын
You can build that bait for 2 dollars
@cross_fire_
@cross_fire_ Жыл бұрын
Should have reviewed the Picasso. It’s become one of my favorites. A few months ago tackle warehouse had a lot of them on sale for like 3 or 4 dollars. I bought an absolute absurd amount. When the chatterbait came out I caught more big bass than I’ve ever caught. I thought it was the best bait ever created. I do think the bass have been conditioned to the vibration and that’s why they do not catch as many as they used to but they still out produce almost every bait in my Arsenal.
@Fishing_with_Fincher
@Fishing_with_Fincher Жыл бұрын
Shhhhhhhhh
@toadmarz
@toadmarz Жыл бұрын
This is a great series of conversations by the crew that's at the top of tournament bass fishing. So much on-water time throwing these baits. Thx Mark!
@papadew1964
@papadew1964 Жыл бұрын
Guy Eaker had a blade that was put on front of soft plastics.Eagle Claw make the blade shaded like Chatterbait in the 80's. called Eaker Shaker.This was first blade bait.
@johnh1943
@johnh1943 Жыл бұрын
There is a 20 Foot Deep by BTL on the origins of the original chatterbait. Very interesting to watch
@rhmrtrt9672
@rhmrtrt9672 Жыл бұрын
You guys rock! You all seem like down to earth regular guys that us weekend anglers can relate to more easily. Thanks, and keep throwing out these great vids!
@miketurenne7204
@miketurenne7204 Жыл бұрын
Please keep doing this!!!!! I love rate the bait. Thanks guys
@johns3292
@johns3292 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Daniels, this bit is a brilliant topical creation. Pros speaking honestly in this day is rare with the influence of all the sponsors and underwriters. (Please consider a smallmouth secific bait.) Carry on y'all, we'll be watching. 21:35
@Von.Cannon
@Von.Cannon Жыл бұрын
DC funny without even trying! 😂 Mark, rate the bait is good. Keep em coming
@farrzmd3038
@farrzmd3038 Жыл бұрын
Zman crosseyez chatterbait is my go to. I run it through everything. …. For a different thump / sound I’ll throw the slobberknocker. But first is always crosseyez as a bank angler and you can’t the price. Crosseyez can be found $6 plus bogo. Im still fishing the first ten I bought for $30.
@Philip_Corley
@Philip_Corley 4 ай бұрын
i look forward to rate the bait out of all the fishing content on YT
@CHSFeed
@CHSFeed Жыл бұрын
Y'all are such a great group of fisherman and friends. Y'all are in the same business, competitors but good friends. Think most people like me listen to y'all like were sitting there with you. Very engaging. Keep up the great work and best wishes on tour for everyone this year!
@chrismelvin1583
@chrismelvin1583 Жыл бұрын
If I didn't know any better i'd say DC eats all day long. Every time I see this dude he is snacking.
@dreddy5187
@dreddy5187 11 ай бұрын
This has to be the coolest series I've came across!
@antdee
@antdee Жыл бұрын
yall gotta keep these up. best series on youtube
@miketurenne7204
@miketurenne7204 Жыл бұрын
Your comment makes me feel alive.
@kevinblackmon2223
@kevinblackmon2223 Жыл бұрын
I’ve thrown the JackHammer and Thunder Cricket. JackHammer is the king!! Weekend anglers will pay $16 for it bc they don’t throw it as often as a tournament angler. Therefore, the paint stays on the blades longer. I’ve never fished a better bait other than a spinnerbait.
@Iamthereal_1
@Iamthereal_1 Жыл бұрын
Do more do more do more! Never stop doing these 👊 they are great down to earth insights on baits. Love what y’all are doing.
@catchofthedave8681
@catchofthedave8681 Жыл бұрын
2 best chatterbaits I have ever used. 1st-- the crosseye chatterbait. It has the kinda pointless weedguard on it that really doesnt prevent it from getting hung up, but you can just snip it off.... I like the hook better than jackhammer. It's thinner, shaped better, but still strong. It hooks everything. The blade is legit and connected to the head like a jackhammer not like the old school, and it has a tied skirt. I would get it over jackhammer 100% of the time if it had better colors. 2nd-- The Jackall break-blade. It's JDM, it has a tied skirt, good blade, great hook, awesome head shape, and some have wire guards similar to the crosseye. You can just snip it off again. The only thing I do not necessarily like is that I guess with the head shape and blade combined it tends to rise quicker than most of the other ones I've used. However it's not a deal breaker because it thumps like crazy and instantly so you can slow down or do pulse retrieves to keep it down in water.
@nancyzipperer8819
@nancyzipperer8819 Жыл бұрын
You have a gem here with rate the bait with the FAM.
@Glock-1
@Glock-1 Жыл бұрын
I like the Mini Max, and I also The Slobberknocker and the good thing about it is if you don't are for the skirt you can always take them off and tie one of your choice on, like I like the flair of the skirt so I have a few with rubber mixed with silicone material
@zacharywebb8189
@zacharywebb8189 4 ай бұрын
The mini-max is so good, except for the clip. It’s hilariously bad, like snap off 2lb’ers bad. 😢 I’ve tried to replace it, but end up mangling the new one trying to get it in.
@clairecarroll7667
@clairecarroll7667 Жыл бұрын
Hey y'all, my husband found the z-man jack hammer chatter bait at ollies for $7.99!!
@kstimberghost3283
@kstimberghost3283 Жыл бұрын
I was just wondering when another one of these was going to be uploaded! Keep them coming!
@hkdsoutdoors
@hkdsoutdoors 5 ай бұрын
I have noticed that blow out on the Jack Hammer but after playing with it in a pool. I would reel at a speed to keep it true and then do a quick speed crank and back to normal speed and the Jack Hammer will dart one way or the other. With doing that I would catch more fish right after that dart one way or the other. Just like a square bill deflecting off a rock. Kietech trailer with 1/4"-1/2" cut off from the head, skirt trimmed to the lowest point of the bend of the hook. Tough days turned into some of the best days of pond fishing after I put that all together. Jacob, give that a try when you have one blow out, curious to see the mouchi in action with that setup instead of the Kietech.
@millertimegaming4030
@millertimegaming4030 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see y'all fellas on Cayuga GL this week hope to see you all on Sunday 💪 🎣
@34jcub
@34jcub Жыл бұрын
Just picked up some jackhammers for the first time. Hurt my feeling spending that much
@ksucat00
@ksucat00 Жыл бұрын
Y’all need to do a weekly podcast . This is great content.
@michaelfrisko9614
@michaelfrisko9614 Жыл бұрын
You guys should do a hollow body frog and/or buzzbait next. Love these!
@JeremyBoykin
@JeremyBoykin 6 ай бұрын
$20 or not the Jackhammer is my #1 go-to bait in my box. Compared to the original chatterbait, it's not even in the same ballpark. Blows any other chatterbait away. The action that bait has in the water and purely the number of fish that I've caught with the jackhammer is unbelievable. I have one of every color and size. The only thing I don't like is something the guys hit on and that is that the paint wears off of the blade, but that's after reeling in a boat full of bass. I'll take that tradeoff anyday.
@ronaldbryant8457
@ronaldbryant8457 Жыл бұрын
Guys were messing with that idea "bladed jig" back in the early 90s. There was a guy named Ed Gish in Dayton TX building spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, and jigs. He had some prototypes of bladed jigs he made that we used with limited success, but nothing came of it. He did have the best buzzbait in East Texas at the time tho. Hands down.....
@boognish.
@boognish. Жыл бұрын
Rate The Bait is my favorite series on KZfaq right now. I’d love to see you guys do Flukes and paddle tails
@MichaelP-Fishing
@MichaelP-Fishing Жыл бұрын
Rate the bait is a great series! I would appreciate if you would discuss the Set-ups you use for each bait. (Rod Type, Line and Reel ratio) Thanks for all the work you guys do.
@shyank_life8744
@shyank_life8744 Жыл бұрын
Im new to these videos but I love the longer videos homie! Love hearing u guys really get into it and debate about different things. It definitely has a podcast feel. U guys got something good here! Keep KILLIN IT brother! 🤘🏻
@codyhooser3333
@codyhooser3333 Жыл бұрын
You guys please don't run out of baits to talk about. This is Fire 🔥 Videos!!!!
@daleb2786
@daleb2786 Жыл бұрын
love this stuff guys
@nelsonchiro
@nelsonchiro Жыл бұрын
That was fun! Thank you!
@jakekeller1984
@jakekeller1984 Жыл бұрын
The Jackhammer hands down is the best bladed jig on the market. Literally I have caught over 40 bass on the same exact jig. I still have it tied on . With that said I will pay $17 for it all day. That bait catches fish like no other. I have wasted so much money on other brands. That Jackhammer is the only one I find myself using. I love these rate the bate videos you guys are always spot on😁👍👍
@Rob-tl9md
@Rob-tl9md Жыл бұрын
40? that has been a day for me lol. I bet I have caught nearly 1000 on jackhammers. They slay em. I have a few slobber knockers to try out but not sold yet.
@jakekeller1984
@jakekeller1984 Жыл бұрын
@@Rob-tl9md For sure👍 But I'm not catching dinks. Bucket mouth season 😏
@robertfirasek5296
@robertfirasek5296 Жыл бұрын
Do you remember the snag less sally, it was considered a inline spinner bait, but if you think about it, It was basically a jig with a Colorado blade in front of it. Then the vibrating jig came out. Very similar baits.
@kylemoura85
@kylemoura85 Жыл бұрын
Love this series!! DC is a hoot man, he’s hilarious. Much love from Cali Bay Area
@keithpinkerton2933
@keithpinkerton2933 Жыл бұрын
Hope RTB vids keep coming. Love the information and opinions.
@RamheadWOW
@RamheadWOW Жыл бұрын
Yall should do a challenge with the baits.
@jasonhannah2999
@jasonhannah2999 Жыл бұрын
I love my jackhammer blowing out and being erratic
@justinbuckles120
@justinbuckles120 Жыл бұрын
Never had one blow out but the price is crazy for it. My question is what does Jacob throw????
@mitchgreen827
@mitchgreen827 Жыл бұрын
Exactly has to be something custom he makes himself.
@justinbuckles120
@justinbuckles120 Жыл бұрын
@@mitchgreen827 was my thought as well but DC was like o wait I know what bladed jig you throw so now I want to know lol
@Fishing_with_Fincher
@Fishing_with_Fincher Жыл бұрын
I would bet that he has Accent custom make him some, which is why at the end of the video he said Z-Man would send a cease and desist letter if he told….
@cross_fire_
@cross_fire_ Жыл бұрын
So Z-man has the patent that the blade can’t be directly attached to the hook eye, people get around this by using a split ring. The slobber knocker is connected directly but it doesn’t appear that way. A guy on TikTok melted one down to see how it was made. I bet Jacob is creating his own by opening the jig hook eye and adding a chatterbait blade. Which is probably fine for a regular angler like myself, and I have several of these. It’s different when the best fisherman in the world is creating his own baits and z man finds out.
@rustyscopano2667
@rustyscopano2667 Жыл бұрын
@@cross_fire_ zman has several patents on the design everything from thickness of the blade, design of the blade from how long the sides are and so on.
@daleb2786
@daleb2786 Жыл бұрын
Love the Ding Crew
@adamcawthon
@adamcawthon Жыл бұрын
Love you guys, especially the history and tangents! But y'all... DC sitting on the couch listening like a grandma that knows you're lying, but gonna listen anyway. 😂
@user-tn7gz9id6i
@user-tn7gz9id6i Жыл бұрын
i love rate bait! i would like to see a video of a break down of the baits before the ratings of how to fish it where to fish it what type of rod and line size. i think this is my most favorite videos to watch.
@collinaverett3669
@collinaverett3669 Жыл бұрын
Coming soon…
@samgaither793
@samgaither793 Жыл бұрын
Btw if the skirt is falling off you can take braid and hand tie it. Ive had one tied for 2 years now and it still works, caught over 100 fish on it, including several large hybrids.
@cross_fire_
@cross_fire_ Жыл бұрын
I think the original chatter bait has a different cadence than the Jack hammer. The pieces of the Jack hammer are superior (skirts, keeper, etc) but everyone throws them and I think the original chatterbait can out fish it. Also, it’s not hard to turn your favorite jig into a chatter bait. 6th sense jigs work excellent.
@Fishing_with_Fincher
@Fishing_with_Fincher Жыл бұрын
True statement. Queen Tackle makes the “Switch Blade” which is great on a 6th Sense jig.
@kurtvogel9431
@kurtvogel9431 10 ай бұрын
Searching..... Fueled by the wants, needs, and recommendations of avid bass anglers, the Made in the USA Project Z™ ChatterBait® takes the proven versatility and fish-catching performance of the Original ChatterBait® to an entirely new level!
@williamtennill6744
@williamtennill6744 6 ай бұрын
Big Jackhmamer fan!!! I agree with J Dubb ..I thought I was crazy at my murky water home lake..How it blows out after u catch quite few bass on the 3/8th oz especially..I noticed it moves the same bit when retrieving at faster speeds it naturally will after some catches more then straight it the box..that said it’s still hands down my favorite..I’ve tried the slonbwrknocker and thunder cricket to 3-4 different Z-man versions..the only knock I agree mainly very hard to even elaztech baits and other trailers on the back..the paint chips some but hones trust they straight catch fish..really only need 3-4 colors too..3-4 tops trailer styles and your good..they love hitting the bait on the fall!!! I wanna see rate the bait on line thru swimbaits haha
@davidharris4030
@davidharris4030 7 ай бұрын
Without a doubt I have had my jackhammer start running strange after catching several but not always.
@bluecarson7647
@bluecarson7647 5 ай бұрын
Talking about the white river as I currently live in Indiana is painful. The fishing is soooooooo tough there these last years
@joebee1459
@joebee1459 Жыл бұрын
Have to agree with Mark about the jackhammer. That keeper is great for razor shadz and even the sako.
@jamesreynolds2241
@jamesreynolds2241 Жыл бұрын
I personally like the chatterbait with the weed guard.
@Fishing_with_Fincher
@Fishing_with_Fincher Жыл бұрын
Wheeler giving props to Berkley for “innovation” is mind blowing considering all the products they’ve copied over the years. When iCast rolls around this year and Wheeler is pushing new soft plastics from Rapala, keep the following company in mind….OSP.
@mikee3317
@mikee3317 Жыл бұрын
The OG stole their skirt design from Terminator spinnerbait, but I like the pulse and flare is has. The jackhammer definitely blows out when reeled to fast. Did you know, Booyah used to make one that had a flimsy wire style hook, but it definitely caught ‘em still, check tape.
@UReyesOnly1021
@UReyesOnly1021 Жыл бұрын
As a eastern NCarolina bass fisher grew up in 90s fishing chatterbait was around but I don't know about when it started. But I won 1st place 9 out of 10 years in a row fishing a lake with about 30 boats and it was always of where you casted Over What you casted. I liked zoom trick worms pumpkin green with red glitter no weight so you get slow sink and more action.
@N2theBlue1
@N2theBlue1 Жыл бұрын
The patent application for the chatterbait was filed in 2004, fwiw. I think Ron Davis had been tinkering with it for years until he got it the way he wanted it though.
@kmb4321
@kmb4321 Жыл бұрын
Caught my PB on a thunder cricket. 8lbs 11oz.
@stephensellers4986
@stephensellers4986 Жыл бұрын
Begin operation “Find the bait”. Find the chatter bait that Jacob is throwing!!!
@travisyoung1845
@travisyoung1845 Жыл бұрын
$28.99 Canadian for the jackhammer up here!! Love the content and the crew! Can’t wait for episode 9
@HippieMagic
@HippieMagic Жыл бұрын
I’ve grown to really like the smaller chatterbaits. I catch smallmouth on them like crazy. And I’ve had a chatterbait get wonky and start to swim around. Gotta jerk it then it starts to work properly again sometimes but other times there’s no fixing it.
@jakehess9976
@jakehess9976 Жыл бұрын
Love that DC isn't afraid to roast some of these bait companies for lack of quality!
@adamcrandall525
@adamcrandall525 Жыл бұрын
Dustin-Yes to Old School V&M They did have “Anise Oil” on the packaging. Actually NetBait holds the Patent and their baits have Scent added, just the same as old V&M
@HardmanOutdoors
@HardmanOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I've thrown the chatterbait, thunder cricket, and now the slobberknocker... out of all of them, the slobberknocker tracks more true when burning it, but all ate phenomenal baits....
@Fishing_with_Fincher
@Fishing_with_Fincher Жыл бұрын
Try the Picasso bladed jig that Aaron Martens helped design….they’ve got great skirts and components on them and the different head and blade styles for open water, grass, deeper water are great.
@mgmwinz7791
@mgmwinz7791 Жыл бұрын
The rating shouldn’t take into account the history of it. It should be based on how good it is compared to all the others
@timschreiber1584
@timschreiber1584 Жыл бұрын
One of my old Favorite was the J Wills Rocker I caught more fish on that design than the Jackhammer
@cwilson1233
@cwilson1233 Жыл бұрын
It was first sold to the public in the 2000s. I was at the sportsman's expo in Columbia and they had them layed out on a table.
@bradcrum1088
@bradcrum1088 Жыл бұрын
DC could eat the south end out of a north bound skunk!!!!
@AlfredoTorres-sb6sw
@AlfredoTorres-sb6sw Жыл бұрын
The thundercricket is the only one I own. All the issues they brought up got fixed in the new tungsten model.
@billljones979
@billljones979 Жыл бұрын
Are the tungsten hand tie skirt , cuz that's the only thing the jack hammer has over it
@brianmaiocchi1194
@brianmaiocchi1194 4 ай бұрын
I hand tie all skirted lures using braid and uni knot. Especially my spinner baits
@boognish.
@boognish. Жыл бұрын
New to the channel and really enjoying the Rate The Bait series. DC is hilarious
@johnnyweaver1300
@johnnyweaver1300 Жыл бұрын
I've caught more fish on the original the OG than any other, the jackhammer is over priced, but I know of a place you can get them at a better price & thats discount tackle or sportsman's outfitters !🎣👍
@510purple
@510purple Жыл бұрын
im gettin 5 hour energy up the nostril vibes😎
@nick_mac6
@nick_mac6 Жыл бұрын
So what bladed jig does J Dub throw predominantly?
@todayscatch5471
@todayscatch5471 Жыл бұрын
I’m tryna know!
@Shawn_Lai
@Shawn_Lai Жыл бұрын
Love the series bro. Mad respect for the honesty. There are a lot of cool JDM bladed jigs since the patent isn't recognized there. I like the crosseyez and jackhammer. I find my jackhammer for like $13, but hey Dandy Slaukat be charging $9.99 for his jigs 😂
@ridewy
@ridewy Жыл бұрын
Secret tip -- OG chatterbait with the jackhammer snap. Change your life.
@daviddawson5136
@daviddawson5136 Жыл бұрын
Had a 3/8 that lasted 3 seasons of constant use and countless fish. Only retired out of respect. Never had one do anything like Jacob said.
@K5VGU
@K5VGU Жыл бұрын
Rate top-water frogs! Just looked at the one I am using while rerigging, and recently bought several of a different brand….thinking they were the same. MDJ, this “Rate the Bait” series got me to lookin at em! I see some differences! Do this bro!
@lpbass8369
@lpbass8369 Жыл бұрын
Rate the bait big fan guys..
@harrydrrim5660
@harrydrrim5660 Жыл бұрын
Enjoy this "rate the bait" very much.. I love bass fishing even though I'm not a good fisherman so any tips or info is welcome. Question, have any of you guys fished Lake Charlevoix in Michigan? Small mouth paradise. .
@timbroome3520
@timbroome3520 Жыл бұрын
Bladed baits have been around Forever, longer than the rubber worm. The bottom of my great grandfather’s tackle has a lot of those blades. He quit fishing in the early 1960’s.
@adamseagle7630
@adamseagle7630 Жыл бұрын
Love the premise of this show! In the future though can you only pick baits that everyone has thrown, or throw it real quick before the video? Instead of the old I e never thrown this bait line. Would love to hear what the boys have to say based on what they experienced instead of just what it looks like in their hand. Looking forward to the next one.
@georgeshreadiii8537
@georgeshreadiii8537 Жыл бұрын
Want to talk about too expensive. Those favorite rods of DC and MDJ. Wowsers
@405bassin7
@405bassin7 Жыл бұрын
DC knocking on Mono! More fish caught in mono than anything else.😂
@daleb2786
@daleb2786 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't Andy Montgomery throw the thunder cricket
@N2theBlue1
@N2theBlue1 Жыл бұрын
Yes, all the strike king pros throw that instead of the chatter bait. Strike king licenses the patented parts of the chatterbait from zman and changed the blade shape a little bit so they are very similar.
@vincentgelles3805
@vincentgelles3805 Жыл бұрын
Jackhammer is king but just don’t throw it around wood especially if you’re a bank angler. Putting a flat trailer like a beaver on it does help prevent it from rolling over and snagging but I’ve lost so many Jackhammers in laydowns that I don’t throw them any where near wood anymore
@timg185
@timg185 Жыл бұрын
Tying a not on the shank of your hook makes a good bait keeper. Better than most of the keepers out there.
@jessebailey687
@jessebailey687 Жыл бұрын
RAte THe BAit less go son
@pastorbillyedgar4986
@pastorbillyedgar4986 Жыл бұрын
The price is why I don't own any Jackhammers A gentleman built some reall good ones and gave them to me as a love offering for teaching on prayer at his church some jigs spinner baits and swim jigs to one of the coolest offerings I ever got ❤
@jesusfamilyoutdoors1554
@jesusfamilyoutdoors1554 Жыл бұрын
Fire show. Fire I tell u
@tonydulac4344
@tonydulac4344 Жыл бұрын
Jacob is right about the jackhammer coming out of tune or getting jacked up
@timsmallwood5747
@timsmallwood5747 Жыл бұрын
MDJ you are correct, the Thunder Crickets have Owner Hooks.
@HankAaronJoseph19
@HankAaronJoseph19 Жыл бұрын
Slobber knocking it out
@garymalkinfishing2397
@garymalkinfishing2397 Жыл бұрын
What's up with DC chicken legs? LOL!!!!!! Love the review Mark.
@jtrealfunny
@jtrealfunny Жыл бұрын
8:00 *Alert* Great info about how to use Anise oil on your shakey heads, a technique developed in Alabama.
@focus365365
@focus365365 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had lots of luck using a bladed jig, I’ve caught the most fish off the Thunder Cricket, 2nd is actually the Sloberknocker and I’ve never caught a fish off a Jack Hanmer believe it or not. I almost gave up fishing with a bladed jig because of the Jack Hammer. I switched over to the Thunder Cricket and hammered the fish. Tried the Slobber Knocker for the first time this season and have done really well with it.
@jamiejuicenewton3349
@jamiejuicenewton3349 Жыл бұрын
Ron Davis personally gifted me 2 at '04 Classic b/c I was so skeptical. Stupid me never threw it for 2 yrs then the Morris & Thrift success unleashed it. Clips are important as I used to use shrink wrap on the clips of the original b/c afraid they would open up. Decoy snaps all the way
@garethmorris2042
@garethmorris2042 Жыл бұрын
What colour and trailer would you recommend for a very stained creek??? Thanks!
@RealMitchRapp
@RealMitchRapp Жыл бұрын
Chat-R-Bait? Yeah Boyee… what a staple
@cherokeelakeguy2386
@cherokeelakeguy2386 Жыл бұрын
I heard that a father and son made the chatterbait then sold it to that other company. They were winning every tournament. Finally after a few years it got out what they was using. Then eventually they sold it.
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