Jarl Balgruuf she said tht to the Dragonborn who killed the dark brotherhood... man I love being a good gurl/guy Dragonborn

One of my issues with skyrim is that dialogue doesn't change because of certain decisions or actions you do

my favorite jarl

@@sheogorath2600 my favorite Daedric Prince

blagruuf how has that dragon problem been going ?

Nazeem GOD DAMNIT NAZEEM GO HOME

LoL

This guy actually has a point. Why is maven living in one of the shittiest holds in skyrim. And have a really nice house there. Why doesn't she live in whiterun. She could offord to live in the cloud district (Thanks for the likes everyone this just really got me thinking that ulfric might be onto something here)

@@deshawnbrown5714 Actually, Maven could have lived in Proudspire Manor in Solitude if she wanted to.

Fus Ro Dah

Maven: Threatens you. You: Makes a save point, loads in a couple of mods, reloads save, draws weapon with a sinister smile... Maven: What... what are you doing? Nazeem's Ghost: I'll give you a hint...

This reminds me of that scene from Star Wars where Palpatine says "I am The Senate".

@@radianstefan2445 That's the idea

"I *am* the Senate!"

@budsmoke bunny Exactly

Those damn dragons even helped Maven. 😆

Confirmed Maven Blackbriar summoned Alduin

I'm not saying it was aliens...

mead in general is amazing stuff lmaoo didn’t even know it existed before skyrim, eventually picked up a bottle for myself and i was instantly blown away by how sweet it was, it really does taste like honey wine

drippin wet well it’s either Nazeem or Maiq the Liar.

The Ultimate Flex

God I love being a good guy

Hackerman best thing ever...:)

Maven: hires the Dragonborn Dragonborn: accomplishes all of Maven's goals

Dragonborn: is the leader of the dark brotherhood

That's what sucks. She is only mainly essential because she becomes Jarl if the Empire wins. I wish there was a mod in place that places someone else as Jarl if the Empire wins, so I could kill her, or AT LEAST a dialog option that shuts her up once she finds out you either KILLED the Dark Brotherhood, or the LEADER/LISTENER of it. Being the Leader/Listener WILL 100% shut pretty much ANY body up, even a Maven type character, because death would be imminent with no possibilities of escape. She'd throw her away her way life, her families, and business even if she was able to successfully flee, which means I win in the end either way, my dominance would be preserved. That's why I wish Bethesda had CD Projekt RED work on that dialog, because for their games especially such as Witcher 3... EVERY decision/choice counts.

Exactly

When she became jarl I did a quick save and fus ro dah her butt so much the whole city was after me. I'd do it again..

@@Mike-oz7fx Exactly, you should destroy the Dark Brotherhood, they are only a bunch of traitors like the Thieves Guild. Too bad there wasn't a good guild to give you the weapons and armor you want without selling your soul to a Daedra.

Mods and console commands exist

I thought the Mede dynasty would be the most powerful.🤔

@@Valencetheshireman927 Nah I ended that bloodline lol

my dragonborn is bosmer, so the dragonborns family are the most powerful family in valenwood

Unfortunately its 3rd as nazeem is the most powerful

@@camau79 mine is NORD

"I remember one time I got drunk, I woke up with a shaved tail and an ear full of goat cheese. It was a crazy night." Inigo the Brave.

my second favorite cat in all of tamerial

sheo gorath are you done doing the fish stick though

Too true my Khajiit friend. I prefer to drink in moderation and just skip the gambling all together. Khajiit Bard has music if this one has coin. Care for a sample? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5Z2eZR91d-pqIE.html

when i read you'r comment in my head i hear Real Khajit voice damn physiology effects

Pelinal Whitestrake Who needs a rest bonus when you can jump all across Cyrodil and do sick back flips!

Maybe no rest but having proper knowledge gives peace of mind. That is a priceless commodity.

Brilliant!

@The Doom Slayer A fellow Slayer.

Unironically the best way to end her crap

I think seeing Maven defending a thief makes people realize she's been helping them. And since most of Riften despise the thieves guild. Makes sense they'd attack her.

AMAZING. Wish I could've seen it myself.

DONT STOP MAKE IT DROP

SPEAK TRUTH

unless its a non-mod dragonborn against essentials

Still, a pissed off Dragonborn can kill everyone in the hold that isn't a demigod "essential" and whatnot... Effectively ruining that hold, ruining the Jarl's reputation... Which if you go Imp., that's Maven...

Power can't stop poison from being slipped in ones drink, and Power can't stop someone from killing you in your sleep. The Dragonborn may have insane martial prowess, but there are other ways to kill someone then in open battle.

Pissess off the dragonborn The stormcloaks/ imperialise Dark brotherhood emperor of cyrdil And anyone else you killed: wrong move

That would be amazing and I wish it were in the game. Perhaps we can hope for the next installment coming out in a century.

They could have easily done that with Karliah. That would have been so cool

@@junkyardsanta8814 they should have made her romanceable too. Of all the female characters she's one of the ones with the most unique voice and strongest personality.

There is a mod for SSE called 'Outlaws and Revolutionaries' by ThuggySmurf which includes this as a possible quest line. I doubt it's entirely nonviolent, but something to look into. Haven't tried it yet as I tend to enjoy the Thieves Guild stuff. :)

@@danielcharland1374 I don't really get why people want to romance Karliah or Serana. Yeah, they're hot, but trauma is a huge piece of both of their characters. Serena clearly expressed that she doesn't want to be married, probably due to the horrible process of becoming a daughter of cold harbor. Karliah literally had to watch the ghost of her former lover fade, and she barely regained her freedom in the guild after that. It's a lot to go through, so jumping into a relationship doesn't make any sense with her character.

No no i totally stole it. I stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

Lol!

she is such a arrogant O-men she doesn't know how to bow down and lick dragonborn boot

@@Ares-hi2hw I mean with the right modddsssssss.......

@@geneticemo can you give me mod name where i can destroy thief guild + maven for good

@@Ares-hi2hw I didn't say you could destroy her, just humble her a bit

Maven the Fairy-Godmother

@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 Bibbidi bobbidi boo.

@@Caposaurus Okay, now I seriously want a mod turning Maven into a fairy godmother companion

I feel like Maven’s the type of woman to not want to be reminded of her age, so she prefers to be referred to as “mother” instead of “grandmother”

Mommy Maven

The assassination attempts take place even before you visit Riften.

@@DIPTANGSHUMISHRA The random encounters are rather buggy. sometimes I get attacked by Thalmor with a letter proclaiming me wanted even before I begin the main quest, but that encounter should only happen after you finish Diplomatic Immunity.

@@elixxon Haven't had a chance to test this one yet. I always assumed that it might be related to all the kill all Thalmor in sight habit.

Ulfric stormcloak has enterd the chat~

@@elixxon I've had it happen before getting that letter before Diplomatic Immunity. I as well thought it was because I kill any Thalmor on sight.

The Black Briars have connections to the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Empire, and the Thalmor. The Silver Bloods are really only influential in the Reach.

It's her political connection

politicians like good mead as much as the next nord. Close friends hear secrets, secrets grant power

She probably has loadsa property and land too

Amen!

And 99% of the other people I don’t like

In Skyrim

And Erikur

And you have to kill Narfi

Outstanding move

How do you do that? I'd love to give it a shot.

How? Was it a mod?

It must have been a mod . It sounds to hilarious to be vanilla Skyrim

Shinigamimon (In the voice of Zelda from CDI) *“Good”*

Hagrid: "You're a wizard, Harry."

SittingOnYourRoof fuck, you beat me to it😂

Interesting. Only in this scenario, Maven has one of her kids looking out for their rep while Tywin has none of his kids out for the rep of their house. Pray to Stendarr and the old gods that Tywin and Maven never meet. Otheriwse, they'll have both Westeros and Tamriel in their palms.

philippe blais and it wouldn’t be long before the Player Character comes and destroys them both

Maven is more powerful

Or we could be looking at a nasty Oedipus incident here

They are sleeping together in the same bed, if he isn't her husband calling her "mother" then it's wrong no matter how you look at it.

Honestly incest babies is the most likely considering how controlling she is. "Learn his place" when discussing Sibbi sounds like she's mad because he went and married some random girl into the family. Saying she's letting him consort with whomever goes against her standing that only black briars remain in power.

@@fatty1040 Maven had no problem with the relationship, what caused his punishment was the fact that he murdered the girl's brother after he confronted sibbi about him cheating, making a public scandal and possibly leaving a mark in the family's reputation

Ingun must be blood daughter of Maven though, she looks just like a younger version of her mother.

After seeing that Astrid ignored Maven's ritual, I knew I had to wipe out the Brotherhood.

I want a mod to recruit friends into guilds. She's perfect for the Brotherhood

Cowardly.

Agreed. I was very confused as to why I couldn't do that in my first playthrough. I hope they can improve on faction relationships in the next game. Have an alternative for each faction, with the option to fight against the darker ones in particular if you want to.

I know there’s a mod tht does tht.. but it would’ve been cool to do it legit. Riften is my favorite looking city

The corruption is the city.

I would love to spread a rumor that would cause The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild foght each other to the death... that is more interesting storyline than the Stormcloaks Vs Imperials.

@@danielcharland1374 The Thieves Guild is sanctioned as one of the guilds of the Empire from the days of the first Akaviri empire seated in Cyrodill. Despite law enforcement trying to stop them the reason the guards never storm their hideout is precisely because they are allowed to exist as a guild.

Ingun and Sibbi are unhinged sociopaths due to the fact that they're incest babies from their brother daddy Hemming and mommy grandma Maven

@@aaronb6763 Uhhh, what?

@@aaronb6763 yeah like that doesn't make her hotter lmoa

Ingun is a cutie, she looks like an ape and she also like likes poisoning animals that's fucked up.

i killed her she is sadist you didn't know that man!!!!!!!

Or someone just Bethesda'd the translation ;)

I think the could have done a lot more with the thieves guild as a whole .

Ria Fire Same. Since I couldn’t, I joined them, but only so I could purge the murderous traitor, Mercer, & rise to Guild Master, in the mind canon hope to separate them from their need for the Blackbriars. If they become independent and successful again, perhaps they will stop being petty thugs, abusing the populace and merchants of their own city & get back to being more thievery artists, like The Gray Fox, once more.

1Dudelove Ya mean Delvin Mallory? Also, is that mod only for PC, bcuz I play on XB1?

I was just thinking today during a play session that I wasn't sure a rich supply of lockpicks was worth ruining the Honningbrew brand... :-(

ModdingNewbie1974 I was thinking that, too, recently, but I did the quest anyway, only because this playthrough I had plans to do the whole Thieves Guild questline, as well as the Dark Brotherhood. In my good side playthroughs I always foul Maven’s plans or ignore the Guild altogether & I destroy the Brotherhood. Also, I have my own brewery in this one, so I had to get rid of my competition. Figure if Black Briar brand is as bad as reputed & Honningbrew was great, I should get rid of Honningbrew so that my own brews can be the better choice against Black Briar.

I made her a offer her jaw drop along with the rest of her head

even though i would killed her

It's a pleasure to serve her.

Lol what is a bankster????

​@@jeffreylessard7538 Its not just the legal businesses it has to be drugs (skoma and other hard drugs), loan sharking, brothel running, gambling businesses, slave trade and financing war that the dragonborn wants. Imagine organizing import and export between the realms and also the vices.

Same

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Ok that doesn't explain Hemming and Maven sleeping in the same bed though 😂😂😂 is he her husband or her son?

@@AnonymousFREEZEpOp1 yes

I'm sticking with the Alabama theory.

Nah.

The Silver-Bloods are the Pazzi to the Black-Briar's d'Medici

only in markarth, their influence doesn't extend much further.

Silver Blood have more stuff to steal, but Black Briar's house is more fun to break in.

The Silverbloods' influence is limited to the Reach and their hold on Markarth is contingent on their control over the Forsworn. They lose control of them and they lose Markarth, and with it the entire Reach. Which is why the Silverbloods must rely on the Dragonborn to take out the Forsworn within Markarth for them, as their ability to control the Forsworn is pretty much gone. Maven has most of Riften under lockdown with no opposition besides Mjol, she has several properties in the Rift, she doesn't need the Dragonborn to deal with Honningbrew Meadery, it's just cheaper. Her honey supplier is a far more tricky prospect, she needed the Dragonborn to increase her profits by eliminating the need for an outside supplier. Everything else, however, well she's important enough for the Empire to make her Jarl, she gets an invite to the Thalmor Embassy, she has the ear of the Dark Brotherhood before the Listener gets involved, the Thieves' Guild are more reliant on her than she is on them and the Dark Brotherhood combined. If there is any one NPC with as much influence as Dovahkiin, it is Maven. And that is only after Dovahkiin becomes Guildmaster, Listener, buys property in every hold and has an army (Companions, Volkihar or Dawnguard) of their own. Do any one of those things and you have as much influence at the Silverbloods, probably more.

More like the thieves guild is using them as their 'little birds' sitting around the city hearing everything. Has GoT taught you nothing? ;)

@@msharmall7298 honestly haven't seen GOT but good point.

@@garrettfair7621 do urself a favor and only watch up to season 5 if you ever do lmao

Glares at him for interrupting permanantly disentigrating him...

Damian K. Knowing her she’d bend over for molag bal just to gain immortality. Just her actions prove tht

I could totally see that being a thing. Then she eats her competitors!

First you say "Die monster, you don't belong in this world" and then you drive a steak through their heart.

Especially if you became a Thane for most if not all strongholds in Skyrim, and Ulfric’s left hand man/Tullius’ War Hound

If you'd be 'honest' and dig deeper than your fancy titles, you'd realize that the player still has next to no actual political power, shown no aptitiude for governing an organization (newsflash: you were being ordered around the entire questlines, what else than your ego makes you think you'd be a good leader?), let alone for careful political games of power and manipulation - something Maven has been played for years. Exposing the revered Dragonborn as the Listener alone will do irreversable damage to one's public image and that's something that could easily be done by someone as clever and resourceful as Maven. Especially considering the Brotherhood being in shambles after its questline. Don't delude yourself into thinking you 'run' things (which will most likely crumble under you guidance), for in the end there is only OPness of Thu'um you have, and Miraak also thought himself invincible back in the day.

@@user-yk9kh3xu5s power is every thing and dragonborn is in next level politic matter second but you'r comment has some punch. o + we can joining dark brotherhood as an option yo

@Sky Dome "Loved"? More like there's more than a couple daedric princes he betrayed over the course of the game if you go 'THE WORLD IS MINE' route, so TLD is more or less fucked in the grand scheme of things. Plus you vastly overestimate DB's power - he's still a child compared to Miraak who was killed because plot demanded it. In the end, undermining his image - which Maven CAN do easily by exposing him as Listener - would leave him politically powerless. And he still is a mortal, so murderning him, while being tedious - isn't even close to impossible.

@Sky Dome Well let's count shall we? Nocturnal - you're a Nightingale, forever bound to her service... Except you're also either Hircine's creature or the one who stirpped him of a continious supply of Compainon souls. On top of that, you might end up being a royal blood vampire, which makes you a pawn of Molag Bal. In service of which you gave a middle finger of Boethia and her prized priest - even worse if you're also her 'champion'. Possibly Azura as well, for... well, we do that in every playthrough. Oh, by the way, you're also now serving Mora in the end for the power he gave you. So, how many Daedric Princes are there who can just screw you over with the snap of their fingers and have a motive to do it? "Champion of all", lol. Exposure is extremely easy. You attack Dawnstar sanctuary. If Dragonborn is smart enough, they will not show up and defend. If they are stupid (and that's the general case of Dragonborn.) - you'll have a hard solid proof for everyone to see which nullifies any 'Thane influence' you delude yourself in having (and there was none to begin with in case of Dragonborn Thane) and crushing you 'hero' status - unlike Maven with which you don't have ANY actual proof of her connection with DB other than her claim. You think someone like Maven can't get the location (which is not actually a secret. And if it is supposed to be, Delvin knows it) and have an assassin get caputred to get the password out under the guise of a contract (and that's the easiest way to do it, there is plenty more)? Need I remind you Maven can easily feed it all to Thalmor on top of it who are also after your ass, and their reach is far greater than any of your 'organizations'? You better stop confusing gameplay with lore perspective, which is the context Maven spoke of in this particular video. DB shows no aptitude for game of political power neither ounstanding intelligence, he's a glorified henchman doing everyone else's bidding the entire time (in case you didn't notice), neither he is a demigod you imagine him to be after using enchanting loop over and over again. So if someone as intelligent and resourceful as her will try and ruin your image - she will.

Her and Sybille Stentor, Neloth, and Serana.

🕳

I don't know about Kardashians but I believe Maven is a jew. She has a long nose and arc shaped brow. She and her family is untouchable. She always wins after whatever happened.

Maybe she funds the orphanage because she can’t have children and none of them are actually hers/related to her…

Maven herself

Coffee Caesar But innocence is far more grand and intoxicating

Finding the water works, too

Killing ulfric is mine

Thanks!!!

Ahh, a true man of culture I see.

Their health is fine if this is what they do for a job. I don't worry about my health after clocking eight hours of repetitiveness haha

"Jester's Dead - Jester's Dead" Maven "Maverick" Black-Briar on learning of Cicero's fate in the Dawn Star Sanctuary.

I mean I call her mommy and I'm not even related to her.

MSS Rodelmap I believe they already covered the left handed elves, but the other 2 would be fascinating, in as much depth as available.

www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880

Only for oldrim.

@@idc.magna.7169 thanks

Yeah i heard the creator refuses to allow it to be ported to Xbox as a "f*ck you" to Bethesda?

Jordan That makes me sad because I happily play Skyrim SE on XB1 & would dearly love to ruin both TG & Blackbriar fam.

Yes.

I've said something like that before. honningbrew sounds delicious. black briar sounds bitter and sour

The incest is very unlikely, the most plausible option is that hemmings had the children but couldnt assume them so Maven adopted them instead

Also if you do the quest where you sabotage honningbrew you can see that the dude who owns it was not a honest nordic worker at all, he was taking advantage of Mallus by traping him with infinite debt and according to the guard that was not the first time he was trown in jail