The Most Rare and Unorthodox Throws By Kikuno Sensei

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Karate Dojo waKu

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8 ай бұрын

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@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
🌏Karate World Tour 2023🌏 courses.thekarateuniversity.org/pages/world-tour-2023 Do you know any similar throws like his? Episode 1: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMWjmJCkvsfQgKc.html Episode 2: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcibdat625yxn4E.html Kikuno Sensei's Channel: @daretsuyo 🥋Online Private Lesson🥋 karateintokyo.com/online-training/ 🥋FREE TRIAL|Online Group Lesson🥋 karateintokyo.com/
@BLenz-114
@BLenz-114 8 ай бұрын
Well, I have never heard it explained like this, but that throw was 100% what we do in Goju-Ryu. And yes, when done well, it feels effortless to the thrower and soft to the throwee (in a class situation, where we are being nice to our classmates). If you really push the throwee down, though, it can be as rough a landing as you like.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Oh I didn't know Goju does it. Do you think it's just your school?@@BLenz-114
@outerlast
@outerlast 8 ай бұрын
judo, maybe. like in some otoshi throws where you "drop" yourself to throw.
@BLenz-114
@BLenz-114 8 ай бұрын
@@KarateDojowaKu No, it's not just my school. "Takedowns" are a standard feature of Goju. Pretty much all our two-man exercises end up with the "attacker" on the floor.
@BLenz-114
@BLenz-114 8 ай бұрын
Also, at 4:30 in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qd2DmLubv8CliGg.html That's another throw we do in Goju.
@DarkPhoenixTSi
@DarkPhoenixTSi 8 ай бұрын
As a judoka and a karateka, the only time when power helps with throwing is when you are trying to throw someone who is also trying to throw you. And even then, it becomes more of who can capitalise on kuzushi of the other player. As a player who is north of 130kg, I have been tossed without power by players half my weight. His "falling" is what is breaking your balance to complete the osota gari. In judo, we are "walking" into the uke as part of breaking balance to reap the supporting leg to complete the throw. De ashi harai and okuirashi harai are two prime examples of throws that require little power. I mean, the Gyoko No Waza is full of throws that truly only require kuzushi to complete.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your input!
@dumitriuflorentina6137
@dumitriuflorentina6137 7 ай бұрын
THE MOST RARE AND UNORTHODOX THROWS BY KIKUNO SENSEI
@Voxac101
@Voxac101 8 ай бұрын
In Bagua/Taichi there are a lot of takedowns and throws that rely on subtle use of angles, connecting your body weight to your opponents, and using your structure to penetrate thru the opponent without giving away your intent with force. Of course there is the element of Ki/Chi in internal arts but without the body structure and technique it's not enough.
@markmacdonald1849
@markmacdonald1849 6 ай бұрын
i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw. I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall
@brauliochavez2231
@brauliochavez2231 8 ай бұрын
this throw reminds me of when someone falls, and ther people try to catch them but they end up falling too
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Ahhh! Great one!
@kdefensemartialarts8097
@kdefensemartialarts8097 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your videos.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
No problem!
@ferdinandbraun5236
@ferdinandbraun5236 8 ай бұрын
Incredible technique. And I rly loved the philosophy bit that imbues it. I'm definitely gonna practice it!
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Nice! Do you do karate?
@ferdinandbraun5236
@ferdinandbraun5236 8 ай бұрын
@@KarateDojowaKu yep, I started doing karate shotokan this year
@jamesfrankiewicz5768
@jamesfrankiewicz5768 8 ай бұрын
Being an aikido practioner myself, the concepts seem fairly similar, with the main difference that most lines of aikido don't practice much, if any techniques where shite/tori/nage directly uses his own feet to trip, sweep, or kick. However, we do practice being in off-balance situations to a large extent (usually in the roll of uke). To build confidence in the namigaeshi movement, I would recommend initially practicing it with a slow enough movement where you feel like you are actually going to fall in the direction you removed your foot, then only catch yourself just-in-time. Yes, your stance will be tilted at the end of the movement, but the point isn't to look good, it is to gain confidence in the off-balance feeling. Gradually speed up your foot movement as you gain confidence in feeling temporarily off-balance. If you can practice over judo/aikido style mats, you can try to press your limit on this a bit more, and allow yourself to occasionally fall (without being too worried that the fall is going to hurt).
@Master-AGN
@Master-AGN 3 ай бұрын
From my training and Okinawan karate, that throw is performed by back kicking behind the knee above fibula head at a 45° angle. At full force it will tear ligaments and dislocate the knee. Kansetsu-geri
@JuandelaCruz001
@JuandelaCruz001 8 ай бұрын
Isn't this the concept "ai" (blending/harmony) in aikido? It's taking advantage of that "momentary unstable connectedness" and use it to your advantage.
@andanyan
@andanyan 8 ай бұрын
Exactly. The mentioned theory of blending together behind that throw is nothing else but - Aikido.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Haha you guys noticed@@andanyan
@meetthebutcher
@meetthebutcher 8 ай бұрын
My brother thought me this throw, the "head and arm throw" ( I will attach a link to a good demonstration on KZfaq at the end of this comment ) and when followed through wrenching the head and arm like in the video the summation or choke out is possible , but the throw dose not require a lot of power and the exaction is pretty forgiving as long as you use your hip to bring the opponents feet off the ground, then it's a twist/tuck and roll , a lot of power can also be used , but I prefer to save my power for the follow through applying presser with my bicep and a pulling up and leaning into a slight twist of the locked arm and head and neck of the opponent. when pressure is applied correctly my arm stops blood flow to the brain from one side of the neck while the arm of the opponent is pressed hard against the other side stopping blood as well if held long enough the opponent will loose conciseness or in practice/training if they do not submit, a well trained grappler will know that this throw can end up in a summation so you must be swift to get your body in a position that their free limbs can not aid them in forcing your grip and control to fail . this video covers the throw and ground control , never mind the demonstrator's builds , if done correctly a teenage boy can throw someone almost 2x's their weight ,though they likely would not be able to control them on the ground , though there is always a chance if you apply your training . URL: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJhya6mSmci3qo2n.htmleqneke
@JuandelaCruz001
@JuandelaCruz001 8 ай бұрын
As I understand it as well, one of the main ancestor art for Kano's Judo was "Kito Ryu"? Apparently, Kito Ryu's style relied heavily on strong hips and legs. The problem is that it turns into a more physically-reliant art instead of physics and biomechanics.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the input!
@Shudikan90
@Shudikan90 8 ай бұрын
Any chance of a collaboration with Naka Tatsuya (of JKA) or kurobi-world channel? That would be awesome
@Lay-zn1hv
@Lay-zn1hv 8 ай бұрын
I have a thought, being faced by several stackers, is a tricky one, a good marshall artist is under Great stress to Handel it. A good throw is great, but a all stress can happen. thank you.
@Saku19
@Saku19 8 ай бұрын
"When you think about throwing someone to the ground, you think about muscles and power..." *Kano Jigoro has entered the chat.*
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
😂
@hydroturd
@hydroturd 8 ай бұрын
Osotogari is not a high % throw in judo competitions from what I remember, but it is one of the first we learn in karate and other martial arts. Now I really see why with this video. I rewatched the throw at 5:12 with 1/4 speed a few times to see what he means. My seeing/thinking is : he doesn't look like he is using upper body because if he did, Yusuke's body would have more time to be a counterweight to keep balance naturally. As soon as he lifts his leg though, naturally yusuke upper body shifts a tiny bit to compensate for the imbalanced shape they form. I always felt I was forcing the throw with either my leg or upper body and never attempted it during sparring. I will picture this when I next practice osotogari! thanks yusuke sensei and kikuno sensei!
@edwhlam
@edwhlam 8 ай бұрын
Osoto is one of the most popular scoring technique in Judo, up to the Olympics and world championship. Obviously, it's not everyone's favorite.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
I LOVE your observation!
@hydroturd
@hydroturd 8 ай бұрын
I probably misunderstood then - I think Shintaro Higashi said it's one of the most common and as such, one of the most expected/countered@@edwhlam
@hydroturd
@hydroturd 8 ай бұрын
I LOVE U@@KarateDojowaKu
@edwhlam
@edwhlam 8 ай бұрын
@@hydroturd Both are true. I believe it's one of the top five scoring throws. Osoto isn't great for someone with Shintaro or mine built. It's great if you are tall / have relatively long legs, though it's a favorite of Yamashita (former Olympics and world champion, former coach of Japan national team, 9th dan), who isn't super tall for a super heavy weight.
@whitewh1
@whitewh1 8 ай бұрын
Most throws done well take little power. You have to unbalance them correctly first.
@RadicalTrivia
@RadicalTrivia 8 ай бұрын
Do you train grappling regularly, Yusuke?
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
On and off!
@piki.mp4
@piki.mp4 8 ай бұрын
im basically a little girl so i needed this video, i always try to avoid throws bc *I* end up on the floor 😭 lol
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
This will help you!
@Ninja9JKD
@Ninja9JKD 8 ай бұрын
Very nice throwing technique
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
I agree!
@onexjcb3727
@onexjcb3727 8 ай бұрын
These kind of throwing that looks like sacrifice of balance probably from the judo grammar ('sutemi wasa' kind?). 'Tori' has to use his whole weight hung himself under 'uke'. 'Tori' use both strenghts: inertia of his own body hung and the right force in a rotative trajectory on himeself. This projection is not so intuitive, however it's simple. In MMA cases of uses, that can be easily followed by 'avalanche', due to the half-time of advance on a possible ground and pound. Very usable, sacrifice in a way, but for a high level of success for the goal targeted. Crispy remark: 'Personne' might just have been in debt to a cheep among many others, for a cunning, even if it should have been more human, insteed of beleveing it was a 'watchdog'. 'Control par U lisse' done, the Ulysse's situation was anyway, much more risky without it. Then, Polyphemus was for one more really good reason, unable to see beyond a teaching stereogram.
@Kankudai69
@Kankudai69 7 ай бұрын
Do I think of using my muscular power to throw? No, I’m an Aikidoka…
@Kankudai69
@Kankudai69 7 ай бұрын
But, seeing a bit more, it is remarkable how the basics of good Karate and good Aikido are similar…
@jungleghostsurvival
@jungleghostsurvival 7 ай бұрын
OSOTO GARI !!!!
@chengfu7063
@chengfu7063 8 ай бұрын
Yusuke brilliant on close-range combat it is true that overused Force isn't required in every form of fighting through adaptation reading the enemy's every single move hearing it it is very possible to make them use their own momentum against them and trip themselves well done be well you're on the right track and Don't Stray from the path legendary greatness awaits
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Dynamic6000
@Dynamic6000 7 ай бұрын
My favorite is Judos Kouchi Gari. If you understand the timing, there isn’t much strength at all.
@kamenriderman
@kamenriderman 8 ай бұрын
I still havent watched this video carefully, but i can not see the difference with judo osotogari. Yes, judo osotogari need power for kuzushi, but almost similar. The most powerless throw that I know is judo ouchigari, because we don't have to back our opponent, just take his leg inside out. If we can take his leg inside out and pull our opponent bodyweight circularly with our body as Axis/ center of the circle (just like ballet), maybe we even don't have to grab our opponent body or gi and do kuzushi. Our opponent fall down easily, cmiiw
@Ninja9JKD
@Ninja9JKD 8 ай бұрын
In Bujinkan most all the throws require little strength. Judo is really more about leverage and technique than strength
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
I see! Are there any names for those Bujinkan throws?
@Ninja9JKD
@Ninja9JKD 8 ай бұрын
​@@KarateDojowaKuThere are many throw names yes, some are the same names and very similar to Judo, such as Tani Otoshi. However, in the entire art the use of body movement (Taijutsu) instead of muscle movements are prioritized. Punching/kicking, everything is done using Taijutsu
@kodain
@kodain 8 ай бұрын
@@KarateDojowaKu In the example in this video, the closest would be osoto gake. It's about creating kuzushi by an advancing step that unbalances uke at the shoulder which allows for the sweep through sinking down as you complete your forward step. The key aspect is to make the spine go backwards using the biomechanics of you taking a step forwards as if falling forwards by utilizing your bodyweight, and then by straightening the advancing leg that is now behind uke's leg combined with a pushing motion at the shoulder by leaning forward, you create a push/pull motion as your shoulder goes forward, while your straightening of the leg pushes back. There are henka/variations to this, such as forcefully kicking the leg to create a more sudden drop, more of an otoshi, and you can also pull uke's arm out to the side to take his balance and put all his weight on the leg you're about to sweep. Plenty of details to do into. It's simple biomechanics and physics. Bujinkan people like to try to make it sound special with "body movement" or "natural movement" and make it sound like we're doing it differently than other styles, but it's honestly just aikijutsu.
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
I see!@@Ninja9JKD
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your input! I'll check it out!@@kodain
@digdoug1979
@digdoug1979 8 ай бұрын
Osoto gari, no sorry. I meant to say ouchI gari
@KarateDojowaKu
@KarateDojowaKu 8 ай бұрын
The shape is, but the internal control is very different :)
@digdoug1979
@digdoug1979 8 ай бұрын
@@KarateDojowaKu quite right. Still a great technique for a smaller/weaker person. I forget the Japanese terminology for the offbalancing stage. I think this requires less force than tai otoshi.
@itsmyguitar
@itsmyguitar 7 ай бұрын
Nah, don't buy it. He demonstrated one way and then changed it when he executed the throw, reverting back to basic Judo principles. Also, have to see it in randori, which is a completely different reality than someone just standing there cooperating.
@markmacdonald1849
@markmacdonald1849 6 ай бұрын
It may look like that but i think the point he is making is that when he lifts his right leg off he ground he doesn't first push his body weight onto his left foot to maintain balance, he just lifts it up so immediately one of the force vectors is from gravity pushing to the right, which apparently helps with the throw. I think it helps with the throw because the receiver feels the push (from gravity) onto HIS left foot and compensates by pushing the other way but, bonzo, his right leg has been swept and he creates his own fall
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