“The Most Secure Euro Cylinder Available in the UK”

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“The Most Secure Euro Cylinder Available in the UK” - Apecs AP Picked

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Lock Noob

Күн бұрын

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@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Finally got my hands on an Apecs AP cylinder - I’ve been curious about them ever since I heard about them; even more so after reading the claims on their website...💪🤔🔐

@unlockeduk 2 жыл бұрын

looks similar to the yale platinum

@stevensimpson909 2 жыл бұрын

I also have one of these and it’s so easy to pick, I’m sure I’ve heard somewhere the pins are alternately set at 45 degrees so I rake at 45 degrees from the left and right to get the false set and then do the slider’s like you 👍,they really do look like quality locks but so easy to open .

@LockNoob 2 жыл бұрын

Certainly there are worse out there

@TequilaDave 3 жыл бұрын

It's claimed as "most secure" because it's difficult to get the pins out of it! :) Great picks

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

lol, you could be right!

@U8uxa8SP 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video. You're starting to make everything look easy like the Lock picking Lawyer.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

not quite yet!

@MSM5500 3 жыл бұрын

APECS is a company based in Moscow. They established their door lock business in the early 90's. Initially they were called APEX but in the late 90s they changed it to APECS. When I came across APEX for the first time like 25 years ago they tried to bullshit me that their locks kind of aren't made in China but they looked 99% identically to the Chinese locks I sold in bulk. They kept me bullshit till all over a sudden I found one lock with set of keys which had Chinese letters stamped on the same as on my ones. Eventually they surrendered and confirm that their door locks are Chinese but APEX branded on demand. Then set a deal with APEX and smuggled their locks to Ukraine.

@PocketWomen 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice picking, I would have thought given the blurb it would have been more of a challenge. Thanks for this demonstration, cheers

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😀👍

@frankvantartwijk6281 3 жыл бұрын

As always, great picking. Keep it up

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😀👍

@tibielias 8 күн бұрын

I count 5 pins, 4 sliders. Must be a fun one to pick.

@karenripley3678 3 жыл бұрын

In a sense, it is the most secure lock available in UK because it is 'BSI 3* Diamond Secure'. The highest rating. But then there are other locks with the same rating. (I suspect anti-snapping and anti-bumping figure highly in the BSI accreditation, maybe 'picking' less so ?)

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a bold statement!

@jukeboxjonnie Жыл бұрын

Make it even more secure - first thing to do is file off the company name badge from the front of the lock; making it more difficult to determine the internal configuration.

@sotonlock7894 3 жыл бұрын

You made that look so easy, shame it can't be gutted.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

I think I have to get semi destructive

@obijanjebrave 3 жыл бұрын

If in UK such false advertising goes unpunished by the law, you can only imagine how it's in other countries, like mine ...

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it's false advertising exactly - depends on how they meant it

@joaolunomontovanelli2413 3 жыл бұрын

The safest doesn't even have iner PIN. Nice job, hugs from Brazil

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

@trickytricky100 Жыл бұрын

Hi can you advise what’s the best barrel lock to purchase, that’s not easy to pick Thanks

@johnsmall3105 2 жыл бұрын

Since it's easy for a burglar to snap a handle and gain access to a cylinder, do you think it would be a good idea to weld the outside handle to the door instead of letting it be fixed by screws? Provided that you can still change the cylinder when needed by removing the plate that's on the inside of the door and then removing the cylinder from the inside.

@VS_1-1 7 ай бұрын

No, just buy a TS007 2* high security handle

@gilessparkes2699 3 жыл бұрын

Nice picking as always, made it look very easy

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😀👍

@TheEnglishRedneck45 Жыл бұрын

I had no idea they have different levels of security pins on the exterior vs. interior. Makes complete sense when you say it, but I was baffled why some retailers detail the exterior vs. interior sides without stating why - that must be it!

@occamraiser 6 ай бұрын

also some of the tabs aren't central - ie 40mm/30mm so you need to know int and ext anyway.

@roysammons2445 3 жыл бұрын

If that's the UK's most secure lock then we all had better sleep with one eye open 😜. Was that loads of tension you were using there? They were very defined clicks.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Lots of force

@cdrbb 2 жыл бұрын

..gripping your pillow tight

@s0men00bb 3 жыл бұрын

Well , technically it is true , it is BSI verified , with probably TS007 and the rest is simple marketing bs. It's kind of Yale Platinum / Superior , tho , I've noticed that both don't have trap pins or sidebar isn't flush , so it may jam the lock. Companies have usually such wording , that if something isn't like someone thought it is going to be , they have covered themselves from further responsibility / lawsuits.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, it's not a bad lock overall

@s0men00bb 3 жыл бұрын

Few hours earlier , I learned that Apecs is chinese brand and it's made in China , so , very good if it passed all these certifications. 😁

@vryko8567 2 жыл бұрын

@@s0men00bb They're actually a Russian brand, but APECS UK is essentially a separate company who get everything produced in China (They were very clear regarding this recently due to certain global situations).

@mlautokeys9614 3 жыл бұрын

Love the video... maybe Apecs haven't heard of Abloy Protec 2 cylinders.....🤣

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@zxcherry7356 2 ай бұрын

Any recommendations on which one to get????

@madcapmagician6018 3 жыл бұрын

that looked pretty easy to pick.... 😁👍

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

a wee bit

@graealex 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the Bravus 3500 MX and the 3KS are more secure. Not unpickable, but damn near impossible.

@NigelTolley 3 жыл бұрын

Picking resistance is far from what really counts on a lock cylinder, let alone a door, for 999 attackers out of 1000.

@graealex 3 жыл бұрын

@@NigelTolley Yes, we all know that. Thank you for repeating it.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Secure... is a very hard tern to get an objective rating on considering all the attack vectors

@Leonslockpad 3 жыл бұрын

Most secure OK then😂 well done Ash mate great video👍👊🤟🇬🇧😎

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Leon, mate 😀👍

@paulkeenan6430 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos, You’re obviously a very skilled tradesman….

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, i'm probably mid tier in terms of picking, but I do enjoy it!

@smartchip Жыл бұрын

@@LockNoob hi, I am on a budget, with in reason, what is a good lock, I have ultion at the moment, front and back, the normal handles, really like to have the peace of mind really,

@chemistrykrang8065 3 жыл бұрын

The Avocet ABS is a much better all round lock, with exactly the same sold secure diamond 3* rating... trap pins for days, more anti-snap, more anti-drill, magnetic element... and only £10 more expensive.

@chemistrykrang8065 3 жыл бұрын

(I'm not flogging Avocets - I just like them, and I don't understand how this can claim to be more secure!)

@s0men00bb 3 жыл бұрын

Well , it's simply true for Avocet ABS , and the rest is marketing crap. :)

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

ABS is a fun lock!

@vicenterivera5693 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😀👍

@Alx-SG 3 жыл бұрын

my one has a spool on pin 4, have to pick it after the sliders. did you figure out how to turn the cam from the external side? first dimple lock I've ever picked.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

You just have to use a tension tool long enough. GxAxV did a video on it

@dutch_blades 3 жыл бұрын

So much for "The Most Secure Euro Cylinder Available in the UK" 😅 I'd love to give it a crack though! don't have any dimple slider locks myself.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - the Mauer NW4 is a fun one

@tarehjernetarehjerne4082 3 жыл бұрын

They are right, it is the most secure but they don’t care about non destructive attacks. Zee told me all about it

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

cool!

@philipbayliss879 2 жыл бұрын

Any chance of a link to the tools to buy please or the brand and names please. I'm going on callout and these are the locks used now. Asked for training and when shown it was they break the handle off snap the first part then basically destroy the lock smash it out which breaks the whole locking mechanism then once in replace the whole locking mechanism new lock new handles. Which to me is stupid instead of actually training the team how to do it properly with no damage. The cost of training would eventually outway the cost of replacing the new parts. I'd just like to do it properly instead of hammering away at 2 in the morning in say a block of flats waking everyone up. Because I wouldn't be to happy

@smartchip Жыл бұрын

Avocet, Yale, ultion or which one is the best?

@drevil2783 3 жыл бұрын

Fot LN is is not difficult. For me i find normal lever locks an absolute nightmare.... I still want to know how to pick the sliders.. i can't seem to understand the concept..

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

hard to explain in text. Have a look for a video on the Yale superior where I take one apart - It might help

@liverpoollocksmith791 3 жыл бұрын

great picking have you tried raking like the yale dimple ?

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

No, not yet :-)

@markmenow2day 2 жыл бұрын

hi, where do you buy the honest dong shi set from, thanks.

@LockNoob 2 жыл бұрын

Chinese import sites. Google Honest Dong Shi Pick Set and you should get some options 👍

@17hmr243 3 жыл бұрын

nv played with sliders where would i start is there cheap lock to start on ? nice open

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

A short yale superior is ok

@paulb7964 2 жыл бұрын

When you disconnect the lock a locking security feature engages.

@BD90.. 3 жыл бұрын

Five pins, on a high security lock? I guess it has sliders. It should at least have false gates then. Has it got lock down mode?

@randommadness1021 3 жыл бұрын

Where would the false gates go?

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

On the sliders; it could be possible to do

@EdocDab 3 жыл бұрын

Strange it wouldn't gut after removing the bottom pins. As pick resistance wasn't great, maybe that makes it the most secure lock? 🤦‍♂️

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

well, you could have a point lol

@JAMESJAMES26000 2 жыл бұрын

What is the best euro profile lock cylinder on the market?

@matt79de 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ash. Loved the comments on their claim. This video leaves me with two questions: What's that pick again? What, based on what You picked so far, do you think is actually the most pick resistant Euro Cylinder lock? As an aside and for those unaware, i may add here that security isn't exclusively about pick resistance, but also has to incorparate drill protection, snap protection and whatnot (which the video also hints at). So to Apecs' credit: They didn't claim that it is 'the most pick-resistant lock'. And it's probably a somewhat sane assumption, that most locks in use that do get attacked don't get attacked by experienced lock pickers with pick and tension tool. (I myself tend to forget about that everytime i watch my favorite lock picking channels. 😉) Sadly, testing the remaining security features would be destructive obviously, although it would be interesting too (esp. given that claim).

@vryko8567 2 жыл бұрын

As a locksmith myself I would say that pick resistance is the least worrying as, as you correctly guessed, there's basically a 0% chance of someone picking their way into your house. I've not heard of it. It's way more likely to be a lock snapped, door jimmied open, or a smashed window, etc. They want to do the quietest, if not quickest way of getting in unnoticed (so drilling is very unlikely) and picking takes too much practice and potentially time exposed at the door (picking in the comfort of your house is one thing, outside in a live locksmith situation is another - then factor in added stress if you're doing it illegally). As for drill protection, it's basically useless against something like a die grinder with the correct burr. (many videos of people destroying 'high security' cylinders such as the Ultion) with them. Or the new kid on the block is the magi burr which fits in a Dremel tool (again, lots of videos on this). I've used the die grinder on a 3* ATK and it was like cutting butter.

@randommadness1021 3 жыл бұрын

You really like those dimple lock don't you lol. I think they can get away with saying that because it has security pins, sliders and anti-drill measures. Just a guess, but I reckon that's how they got the ability to say that sort of comment.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

I do Barry!

@MikkoRantalainen Жыл бұрын

I think the UK rating assumes hook + bottom of the keyway tensioner. If a "pro" cannot get the lock open with those tools, it will get high marks for being pick-proof.

@bradw0535 3 жыл бұрын

Is APECS the UK cousin of MasterLock? Makes me wonder with that advertising 🤔 🤣 nicely done sir! 👍👍

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😀👍

@d17mop 2 жыл бұрын

What is the best euro cylinder then ?

@LockNoob 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on your budget. If you want spend over £140 there are things like the Abloy Protec2 and Urban Alps Stealth key. There are more expensive and higher security ones out there too. But since no one picks locks for crime, a solid British standard 3 star lock suits most people

@jeroen5812 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you can do a recommendations video?

@cmuller1441 3 жыл бұрын

It's crap: there's no sacrificial part to prevent grabbing the front and extracting it. The euro lock weakness is the middle part with the screw that can break.

@Omega343666 3 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking as soon as I saw it didn't have any sacrificial part I was worried. 5 pins as well and only 2 anti drill pins.

@NigelTolley 3 жыл бұрын

You're both wrong. There's a relocker inside that prevents those attacks from allowing access.

@steveacab77 Жыл бұрын

best lock out of these and the avocet buddy

@gamerfreakUK 3 жыл бұрын

Typo in your description. “8” instead of “I”. That is all. :)

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

lol, sorry!

@paulb7964 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like a Yale lock

@crowley357 3 жыл бұрын

It was not a fluke.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@TsiolkovskySportingLocks 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but no but...

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@adamambler5915 3 жыл бұрын

advertising this as the most secure euro cylinder available in the uk is at best highly misleading but realistically completely false... i suspect most of this claim comes from physical resistace to attacks like drilling or snapping and not much else.

@LockNoob 3 жыл бұрын

Who knows! it's not a bad lock overall though all things considered

@andyp9131 6 ай бұрын

There rubbish ultion locks are the best as if ur broken in they give u £2000 they dont give u anything only a lock they don't pick locks no it's to long to pick they snap them

@occamraiser 6 ай бұрын

first 2 minutes were like watching a child try to break a lock into pieces. I see people referring to the LPL below. Don't give up your day job you're not in his league....probably not even the same sport.

@LockNoob 6 ай бұрын

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