The "Naughty" Church - St Mary's Bourne Street, Belgravia

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17 күн бұрын

Bourne Street is my first “comment” recommended visit (thanks @philpackwood1011).
My visit followed hard on the heels of my visit to St Olav’s (see the last three weeks of videos) and I found myself continuing with Fr Sam some of the conversations begun with Fr Magnus - particularly on the subject of communion.
As a rather “Catholic” Anglo Catholic, Fr Sam dug deep on this subject too, extending similar themes from my visit to All Saints Margaret Street.
It's also a profoundly Anglo Catholic Church (with the emphasis on the second word) - but the priests have the wit and wisdom to be self aware about this and celebrate any anachronism.
Many thanks to Fr Sam Korn
#belgravia

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@markcooke729 15 күн бұрын

Fascinating! The church I go to is Anglo Catholic but not to this extent - I LOVE it! An Anglo Catholic church were I used to live went one further and had confessionals!

@hereticatious 15 күн бұрын

@markcooke729 Bourne Street also has confessionals! Keep watching - I've got a whole video covering this coming shortly!

@chriswade7470 15 күн бұрын

We have one

@markcooke729 15 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious can't wait!

@buffytoft3500 15 күн бұрын

It's genuinely intoxicating when you get to study not just the aspects of a London church but the speech and knowledge of a uniquely niche man. How do we all end up doing what we do?

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

In my case I've just followed a random walk. I think I've been pretty lucky.

@matthewprovost5938 15 күн бұрын

What a lovely, genuine, erudite priest! Thank you for posting. Cheers!

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for the kind words - keep watching - more coming next week.

@fhugheveleigh2 14 күн бұрын

A most fascinating account from a rather wonderful priest. Learnt much. Thank you.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for the feedback - my videos are only as good as the people to who take me round and Fr Sam was great.

@denisebutler4289 15 күн бұрын

Once again I'm amazed by the amount of information and the wonderful.way it is delivered

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

This was a video where I struggled to make it shorter because so much Fr Sam said was fascinating.

@PaulCohen-m9j 15 күн бұрын

I used to go to St. Mary’s Bourne Street. Beautiful music. Beautiful liturgy.

@liturgicalpodium 14 күн бұрын

I wish I could give this coverage 1000 thumbs up. The priest is very vast and knowledgeable about everything. Also, thanks to you for this wonderful episode.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Saying a 1000 thumbs up is good enough for me. Thanks.

@IanWard-rp6to 15 күн бұрын

If only all Anglican churches were like this. ❤❤❤

@maryc267 15 күн бұрын

Wonderful! 👏👏👏 Loved the John Wayne joke.🤣🤣🤣 and the clip-on clouds! ☁🙏 Looking forward to part 2.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Awwwe - you're too kind!

@timbobsm 15 күн бұрын

As a Roman Catholic, I would love to stop in this church for meditation as I do in my local church. There are so many what we call sacramentals that allow us to meditate on all aspects of our faith Sadly so many Catholic Churches in the US have stripped so much of the sacramentals from the Nave, the Narthex, and the Sanctuary. I think that the pendulum is swinging back as some RC churches have been restoring some of these sacramentals.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

I think this church is open to public visitors in a generous way. People dropped in and quietly spend some time as we toured.

@fortissimo49 13 күн бұрын

Fr Sam is wonderful, as is St Mary's, Bourne Street!

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

I definitely left the church skipping.

@dianapatterson1559 15 күн бұрын

The Oxford movement to the 10th power.

@271250cl 13 күн бұрын

Sadly I cannot get to St Mary's as often as I'd like (about once every seven years since I was 18!) but one thing I always remember about Sunday High Mass (apart from the lovely music and the splendid liturgy) is that the sermons were often laced with dry humour.

@hereticatious 9 күн бұрын

I think humour is such a stand out feature of so many of the people who take me round - it grounds so much of what they say. Fr Sam and I definitely laughed the whole way round - and it emphasises the earnest bits when needed. Lot's of people have talked up the music at Bourne Street - I'll see if I can do something about it.

@271250cl 18 сағат бұрын

@@hereticatious Yes, the music is very fine at St Mary's and must be a big draw, I think. A feature on the choir would be very interesting. I've never spoken to him but Fr Sam comes across as a very engaging person!

@michaelriordan8265 14 күн бұрын

Many years ago I went into a church I thought was RC, they had Solemn Mass, Benediction, Rosary, Vespers and Confessions but there was something about it that made me feel uneasy, it turned out to be an Anglican church and they sometimes had a Latin mass, the building is still there but it's now a climbing centre, there were other churches similar with their beliefs, most have closed down, some are used for other purposes, this happened because the church of England decided to ordain women

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Keep watching - I've a detailed video coming very soon about C of E confessions at Bourne Street.

@judithwhitehouse2149 13 күн бұрын

Enjoyed that! NB - recent Bourne Street Corpus Christi Mass online - with 'O Salutaris Hostia' sung lustily (by the whole congregation) to the tune of Parry's 'Jerusalem' shows just how very English they are...

@RichardSmith-gp8zp 15 күн бұрын

It may well be time for this Community to come home to Holy Mother Church

@RogerYng 14 күн бұрын

Or maybe stay Anglican, which is still part of “Holy Mother Church.”

@crispinpemberton6951 11 күн бұрын

It would immediately lose its magic, being required to conform to HMC's liturgy. Broad Anglicanism allows this extreme expression to have place within the church family.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

They will need an ordained priest, tho.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

Jesus only gave the authority to forgive sins to his apostles -and they handed this on to their successors.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

Jesus only gave the authority to forgive sins to his apostles -and they handed this on to their successors.

@user-ds8no1ro2q Күн бұрын

I could easily see this was not a Catholic church. The seating for parishioners had no pews or kneelers since Catholics stand, sit, and kneel during those parts of the Mass where the theme makes it appropriate. To one side of the altar would probably a flag of the Church of England instead of a flag of the Vatican. Apart from that, it felt Catholic, especially due to the beautiful altar with the crucifix prominently displayed. This was very enjoyable. Thank you!

@jeffreyhoward879 10 күн бұрын

Very informative!

@xenia367 13 күн бұрын

Brought up Anglo Catholic I wish this church was in my area. Both church and priest are delightful.

@FrJarelRB 15 күн бұрын

You should come and visit St German's Cardiff :-)

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Get them to invite me - I'll make the journey! It looks great.

@stephanottawa7890 8 күн бұрын

This is very good. One suggestion is not so many diversions and digressions (bloody flamingos and Big John). You have really some profound insights when you just stick to the subject at hand.

@hereticatious 6 күн бұрын

But those are my favourite bits!

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

I sense a longing in some of the comments to come Home.

@ransomcoates546 15 күн бұрын

The hymn ‘Pange lingua’ of Corpus Christi was composed by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century. Quite naughty not to know this.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

I just listened to it - fantastic. I'm always trying to find ways to get sacred music on the channel - here's one place to start kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j86RectesJqbdXk.html

@FrSamKorn 8 күн бұрын

As it happens, I *do* know this! I can't remember what I said in the video as I can't bear to watch myself in it, but if I said anything different then I made a mistake during filming.

@angelah2083 11 күн бұрын

At 4:04 you insert a caption explaining that BCP is the Book of Common Prayer, except that you haven’t quite finished your typing - maybe go back and finish? It just looks untidy left as it is. Thanks so much.

@hereticatious 10 күн бұрын

Well spotted - unfortunately KZfaq doesn't really let you edit videos once make public - so I will just have to grind my teeth in dismay every time I see it from now on. I still prefer to know though.

@edwarddeburca8034 10 күн бұрын

I like the pulpit. There are too few of them in churches these days.

@hereticatious 10 күн бұрын

I struggle to understand the controversy around this particular one.

@edwarddeburca8034 10 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious Fascinating video, by the way. Many thanks!

@samuelbcn 4 күн бұрын

These people treat the Catholic faith like a hobby. You can't just make up your own rules like it's fusion cooking.

@chriswade7470 15 күн бұрын

The High Altar Rerderos at Bourne Street is papier-mâché.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

But surely the clip-on-clouds are solid gold?

@philpackwood1011 12 күн бұрын

This is wonderful .Thanks Hereticatious ,where are you heading next?

@hereticatious 10 күн бұрын

Feel free to suggest another - this one went very well! Thanks.

@philpackwood1011 8 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious St Magnus the Martyr London Bridge is on my list but I'm not often in London,also St Silus Kentish Town would be of interest,bothl equally "High up the candle" Anglo Catholic Church’s. Thaxted Church in Essex has an interesting history due to Conrad Noel the "Red Rector",an anglo catholic socialist who flew the red flag and sinn feint flag alongside the St George's flag on the church!

@lozspennymoor 15 күн бұрын

There is no link to that Apostolic Church because of the use of the edwardine missal

@liturgicalpodium 14 күн бұрын

OK we have heard you.

@RogerYng 14 күн бұрын

If you want to play the missal game, or more accurately the Eucharistic Prayer game, you can’t avoid the fact that even the Apostolic Church used a few prayers that might not have met all marks of Catholicity.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for this insight - I've just read the wikipedia article on Edwardine Ordinals. Now how can I turn this into a video I wonder.....?

@liturgicalpodium 8 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious there's an organisation called Prayer Book Society chaired by Bradley Smith. It may be worth contacting him as well as parishes that are in the Prayer Book tradition, often called Prayer Book Catholicism.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

“Naughty” is right Like innocent little children imitating their parents

@pasavant 5 күн бұрын

Subtitles would be nice.

@peterchaloner2877 12 күн бұрын

Manse, you could say. Or chapel-house.

@stephanottawa7890 8 күн бұрын

May I note that we Orthodox Christians although we do believe that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Divine Species, we do not think it necessary to have a day called Corpus Christi. Basically we celebrate the real Christ, but not the theological aspects as does the RC church. The same could be said for their new feast of Christ the King. Of course, we believe that Christ is King, but we do not need a feast day to highlight it. Christ is always king.

@dalegriffin6755 7 күн бұрын

In the United States the western rite vicariate of the Antiochian Orthodox have the feast of Corpus Christi, Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament and the Feast of Christ the King.

@hereticatious 6 күн бұрын

Interesting - but you do have some feast days?

@dalegriffin6755 6 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious Yes of course, but they correspond to the Western calendar.

@GordonSymons-BEYOND 17 сағат бұрын

Oh dear. Do you know the origin of Corpus Christi? The miracle in whiz blood flowed from the consecrated host.

@timothyj1966 Күн бұрын

just a bit of a Lisp

@user-rq4iz5vg6l 12 күн бұрын

Is this a C-of-E church? I thought the church of England definitely does not subscribe to any form of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament based on their believe (or unbelief) of the literal presence of Christ in the mass. The C of E’s own 39 articles describe this belief as ‘repugnant’ so I’m always slightly bewildered by Anglican churches who go to such efforts to emulate something that fundamentally they have broken away from. I suppose what I’m really trying to say is rather than being a ‘naughty’ Anglican Church, why not become a ‘good’ Catholic one?

@hereticatious 10 күн бұрын

More naughtiness next week (and the week after!).

@johngreatbatch6441 9 күн бұрын

This is a Protestant church

@user-dt4cv6ey9x 8 күн бұрын

A somewhat ignorant interviewer? Has he been in a church before ?

@hereticatious 6 күн бұрын

@user-dt4cv6ey9x certainly true. Of course the difference is I know I'm ignorant.

@peterchaloner2877 12 күн бұрын

Naughty = your Transubstantiation effort is a dud. Failure to launch.

@richardsaintjohn8391 10 күн бұрын

The Holy Ghost doesn't care about your narrow mind.

@logos9434 15 күн бұрын

As an Orthodox Evangelical Anglican, it is full of cheap tat.

@RogerYng 14 күн бұрын

“Orthodox” is a term used that has nothing to do with actual Orthodoxy.

@logos9434 14 күн бұрын

@@RogerYng This has nothing to do with Scriptural authority and the pattern of the apostolic church.

14 күн бұрын

The majority of the north eastern churches are Anglo Catholic if you are evangelical you are non conformist.

@hereticatious 13 күн бұрын

@logos9434 What you say is not COMPLETELY unfair - not every artefact is a masterpeice (I don't think Fr Sam would pretend it was) - but the thing about Bourne Street is the ensemble. Together it all feels highly cohesive and well thought out.

@logos9434 12 күн бұрын

@@hereticatious I prefer my church to focus on the cross not crucifix, the Communion Table and the pulpit. Statues do nothing for me.

@PaulCohen-m9j 15 күн бұрын

I used to go to St. Mary’s Bourne Street. Beautiful music. Beautiful liturgy.

@davidwilson4434 14 күн бұрын

Me too, Paul! Many years ago!