to clarify: robtop not rating levels that use the mod and not implementing the mod into the vanilla game in its original state are two seperate things. also everything i said about iOS applies to android as well, as the mod isnt available there iirc (him not rating levels with the mod is understandable... i mean it is a mod at the end of the day)

i don't think it should be allowed because it means i don't have an excuse for being bad at the game

Gonna be honest. The demonlist and casuals are no longer going to be compatible, because Robtop focuses on making the game better for everyone while the demonlist focuses on pushing difficulty of levels, but the demonlist only has rated levels, and that's going to be very limitating going forward because robtop only rates levels that are possible for everyone, which, if we're going to be pushing this game to its limits, that's not going to be possible anymore.

RobTops take on this makes sense. He doesn't want some random mod to narrate what people deem as legit, and wants to take it into his own hands. Completely understandable.

7:28 proof that all gd controversy is an inside job between robtop, the demonlist team, top players, and the “news youtubers” who all profit off of the controversies

In my experience, everything robtop has added to the game, that was from mods made by the community, it has just generally been of worse quality. So i dont think this CBF like thing he is making is going to do much

Adding CBF will do nothing but make the game more fun Or at least rating what the demo list counts as not cheating like grief, when grief gets verified he is going to just be getting harassed until it gets rated like tidal wave so for his sake and the sake of the “normal”people in the community I think he just needs to understand that the community is going to be split and either add it or get ready for tidal wave 2.0

Regardless of what game you are playing, those with a better setup than you will have an advantage. This is inevitable, and will never change. But in GD, it's so much more than just more frames and better reaction time. It makes the game play easier by no small margin. CBF helps a significant amount to come closer to nullifying the issue. This levels the playing field for all, and makes it so that you don't have to be rich to be good at the game. This mod really seems to be the best solution currently available to the inaccessibility of top level play. Feel free to yell at me about how my opinion is wrong, that's what this community is for after all.

this is just fps bypass in 2.1 all over again. as an ios player, im slightly annoyed by robtops decision to not add click between frames in the vanilla game because i wont ever be able to use it unless its in the vanilla game

Moral of the story: the community will literally never be happy

the list needs to give up on the rate system in both the platformer list and the challenge list there's no quality standard and both lists tend to have way less explosive controversies instead of people attack robtop until he gives in and rates something the biggest platformer controversy is a disagreement on a placement of a level that people keep joking about

CBF would fix many issues and not adding it is very dumb. Rob making his own version does not give me hope because everything he has added has been a trashy version of something already on Megahack and Geode. Took him years to add the bypass but he at least did not ban completions using the bypass before, now things are getting even dumber. Rob just wants his own way and does not really want to add what the community wants (as seen in the poll having 50% on good)

I think the "don't get your hopes up" is more from the possibility that getting it to work the way he wants may be more effort than he thinks is worth (which might lead to him never adding it) and less that it would be substantially different if it is added

Yk if the community didn't bully robtop as much, things probobly could've been different. And i'm using the mod and i don't give a damn what someone says about it, i ain't making my life harder.

if the overall community normalizes cbf ppl can just stop mentioning it being used in their verifications and Robtop is going to be lost lmao

day 13 of asking wavix to do this: What if Zoink had a heart attack and died, causing Spaceuk to return to the community with no hacks. Then, with the help of cherry team, space verifies bloodlust 2 and becomes immortalized as the verifier. Alternatively, you could just have Zoink dying from a heart attack.

my theory is that robtops new cbf implementation will increase the input detection rate but still keep it fairly low, so that devices with low polling rates (like phones and certain types of mice) arent put at a disadventage

my guess for robs cbf is that he will implement click on steps, which will allow the inputs to be registered as if on 240fps on any fps, removing the disadvantage of low fps players in 2.2 without changing the physics like cbf

I remember in colon’s Ziplash video, he briefly explains how his level breaks with cbf enabled. So, he might not want to add it to the main game because it breaks some platformer levels/gimmicks. It would be a weird thing not to mention or to hide, but knowing rob that’s something he would do.

It‘s just frustrating seeing how insanely bad Rob is at communication. Like it‘s exactly as you said it, if there are issues with the implementation across devices and platforms which can well be the case then why is it so hard for him to just tell us what exactly is going on? Why be so vague and cryptic about it? So much of this could be so much easier if he was just a tiny bit more open about what he wants to do and how he‘s gonna do it.

robtop’s take on it is stupid but understandable. difficult level has been a staple in the gd community and people will always find a way to get an advantage to make those levels easier, wether it be through softwares or hardwares, issue is not everyone is gonna have those luxuries and is stuck at a disadvantage, cbf allows those to get an equal advantage. an argument could be made that cbf counts as cheating due to it modifying the game, but i disagree. and as for the rating part i think the demon list should just create a separate category for those lists, one is for rated levels only, and the other one for a mix of rated and unrated levels. although those unrated level should still be at a decent quality

I'm not going to use CBF anyways, as I would have to relearn the level I'm working on. Maybe I will use it after I have beaten it (That is if I do beat it). However, I do think that the demon list allowing CBF is a good thing, as many people, no matter what FPS, can play the game with equal physics. Furthermore, I do think Robtop not allowing it is kinda stupid, as we should be able to use it at least until his own CBF version is out, as we do not know how long that will take. Edit: CBF might not change the physis of the game. However, it sure does make it play different. Which tbh, I dont really like

I feel like robtop will make exceptions to some levels, notably grief as the backlash would probably be too hard (it will be like tidal wave but atleast 5x worse). Either way I respect robtop's decision. We can only hope for a game were CBF is eventually added

I just cannot see the issue with having the game register your clicks when you actually click instead of waiting for the next frame.

I think CBF should be allowed because it is a quality of life improvement more than cheating. It makes your clicks more accurate and it's not noclip or anything. And you can't bring up the fact it is not on iOS because iOS did not get FPS bypass and FPS bypass was supported for the game. The arguments against CBF make no sense.

My theory is that the reason he might be saying it might not work as intended is because cbf works via input device polling rates (like monitor hz but for input devices such as keyboard and mouse), and different devices have different polling rates. My g pro has a polling rate of 1000 (meaning 1000 input registers per second) but the iphone generally has a polling rate (or touch sampling rate) of double the refresh rate, which means 120 for a 60hz iphone (which is most of them) or 240 for a 120hz iphone (only on the newer models and not even the base model). So the inequality is still there. He might be hesitant to implement it because it's not equal it just ups the cap for everyone. Personally i think it should be implemented regardless but i can understand the hesitation.

Ok why did I read Robtop’s tweet as I won’t add certified lover boy😭

I think Robtop should add cbf, but make it an optional feature. I don't personally use it, but if it changes the physics of the game rob should make it optional in case some people are use to the old physics and are struggling to use cbf. just an idea

i understand why rob cant just "add cbf to the game", you have to remember that modding a game is way easier than developing a game, and also mods are only available / only work on computers, so it would have to be completely re-made so that it works on all devices before robtop could even consider adding it to the game which is probably why rob is working on his own version to see if its ideal

CBF makes the top levels more accessible for everyone, and not just straight up impossible. Only a few hundred people in the world can beat levels in the top 150 demonlist which kinda sucks cause the hardest levels always have the most fun gameplay and best decoration, i think this is a great move and will tighten the skill difference between mobile players and PC players. Not saying the demonlist levels will become much easier by any chance, but if you're skilled enough, you can beat them. Which is great, because after bloodlust this game's hardest levels have just become impossible for the average, above average and even grinding players.

If he does add it, I hope: 1. It's optional 2. Mega Hack has an option to disable it So some impossible levels can still be physically possible

Conclusion : you can't verify a level with cbf, but your record will be counted if you beat it (not verifying) and robtop ain't adding it to gd but he's making his version of it (its going to suck pure ass)

i find the possibility of the demonlist adding unrated levels just extremely dumb. There is a list for unrated levels, adding unrated levels to the demonlist will never happen and if it does then its not the "demon" list anymore

For me its actually mind boggling that people are against having an even playing field. The same situation was for FPS bypass in which you don't need to own a high refresh rate monitor to get an even playing field except now you can be competitive no matter how lowend your device is. The only limiting factor at this point would be the latency of your input device. Also I'm not sure if it's just me but it feels weird that robtop would want to build his own version of CBF instead of utilizing a tool already made. He could just work with the creator of the mod to implement it to the vanilla game but him wanting his own version kinda hints to me he's too prideful to work hand-in-hand with the modding community.

idk, when i tried the CBF in platforming levels with strong physics like Speedtek, it totally glitched the level for me. I was clipping through walls and was way too fast and rough. so I believe RobTop about the physics, well, at least based on my experience.

It makes sense that roptop won’t rate levels verified with CBF, since it’s possible a timing in the level is impossible on 240hz

If robtop isn't allowing CBF because it's a mod, what about Mega Hack?

WE ARE NOT HAVING CBF IN PHONE WITH THIS ONE 😭😭

This is why the demonlist needs to let unrated levels on the list

i think the reason is that he doesnt want to break ticks like the mod does... he may want to save the input time, and then calculate where the icon should be...

"It is separated from the vanilla game! So cheating must is!" Fps bypass was allowed in 2.1 an you could argue this was unfair to low end pcs who couldn't reach 60+ fps lol "It is cheating" Its a mod but it isn't comparable to things like noclip or something it just feels more responsive, take it like a tweak but on a bigger scale, if everyone uses it, it will be good. "It would be unfair to vanilla players!" Then Robtop should add it to the game. "But physics or something" it doesn't change physics it just feels more responsive, much like the 2.2 update and everyone got used to it. I left the community like almost a year ago and just came back with these news, they really have the key to even the playfield im baffled that newgens are heavily against it, and even more confusing, Robtop himself. As far as im aware this is not hard to code? so I don't really understand. I hope the community pushes this thing out so that I can finally play the game again without making excuses lmao.

Make a separate fucking list. I hate whenever people argue about this type of shit because all we have to do is make both sides happy by making a separate list that makes controversial mods legal/illegal. This community never wants to accept that there is a middle ground, and we have to just argue until the end of time. RobTop can be happy knowing the official Demon List doesn't endorse CBF, and CBF users can be happy they have their own list where their records are accepted as legit. It seriously pisses me off.

The "goodbye" killed me nahhh

ive been playing reverence recently which has alot of moving objects and for some whatever reason cbf sometimes decides to launch you into the sun when clicking in moving objects

Just add it unless apple f*cks everything over

It's not that Robtop doesn't want to add CBF, the point is that he is not skilled enough to make his own. It requires assembly knowledge and this is too hard, he doesn't know computer science enough to do that

If Rob ever wants to get pro players off his ass for changes he needs to add something that will shut them the fuck up permanently aka adding this but as we know Rob doesn’t learn from his mistakes and always likes the hard way

I reallly want CBF in vanilla GD as it would be really helpful, but we should also respect RobTobs decision

What really pisses me off are the people who are like “uhh who cares about mobile they can’t do the top levels anyways”. Like, what the fuck are you on about? There are some EXTREMELY talented mobile players, on both iOS and Android, that deserve exactly the same access as the rest of us. Why is this even a question?

Plot Twist: Robtop is making his "CBF" update better then the mod.

What do you mean "technically a mod" it is a mod. You say technically like its only a mod on a technicality, but it isn't, its a mod because it modifies the game.

i think rob will add the mod just not any time soon, and he wont rate levels that r verified with it but will go back to rate them when it does release if they are influential enough

RobTop rated levels verified with fps bypass which run better than its native counterpart but won’t rate levels verified with cbf it doesn’t make any sense

WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO BEATING MONACO'S POPULATION GUYS

I like how robtop says he doesnt want to change the physics even though what he did with 2.2 happened.

Every controversy in this community is ridiculous.

maybe he just wants to give us a happy surprise by adding the original cbf with no warning

I personally think that RobTop is in the right here. I believe that using CBF should be considered cheating. The simple reason why I think this is because it's a mod. The more complex reason and why I think this is different than the use of fps bypass is because, while it is possible to get a higher framerate without fps bypass by using a higher refresh rate monitor without the use of mods, it is not possible to click between frames without the use of mods. There is a fundamental flaw with the argument that the cbf mod is like fps bypass in that one is possible without modifying the game and the other is not. Of course, if RobTop added it into the base game as it is in the mod, then I would be less against it, but Rob has already stated that it will not be the same and, therefore, will still be modifying the game in a way that is impossible to do otherwise.

"while that controversy would be great for my bank account, i dont think it would be great for the community" - bro knows he's a war profiteer

CBF is a mistake imo. If you take Grief as an example: Doggie is verifying it with CBF, but there's no way to tell whether it's physically doable WITHOUT using CBF or not. How is Rob supposed to rate a level without knowing whether it's even possible to beat it without any sort of hacks ? (Yes, a mod is considered a hack since it changes a huge part of the game's core aspects, in this case being the physics)

3:45 im pretty sure the "dont get your hopes up" was referring to whether or not it will be added to all platforms and not how it wilp work

lets be real every time rob says he wont do something, theres a really really high chance he changes his mind from all the backlash

Tbh I think Rob’s just salty that random people are doing a better job of making updates than him 💀

this is dumb af, why is he making his own version of it and saying its not going to be like the original mod? hes just setting everyone up for dissapointment when saying that so why cant he just add the actual damn thing?

Why robtop don't directly ask the creator of CBF if it would be possible to add it to IOS ? Btw I think robtop might even ban all type of cheats because of the multiplayer thing... Even if for some reason, it work on globed perfectly... Maybe he might do it for most of the existing cheat once multiplayer will come out... This idea of a multiplayer is good but I don't think it goes with the community approval, mostly because of geode... I think we're goin to get to a strange war between robtop and geode soon because of his multplayer's idea

I would assume rob's cbf is probably limited by the fact that it has to work on all platforms and also work with platformer mode (since iirc cbf breaks a lot of platformer levels, especially interactions with moving objects) I would also guess that after the 2.2 physics changes drama, he really doesn't want a repeat of what happened there and is being more careful this time which is why he's kind of hesitant to say much about cbf or to definitively say that he's adding it in its current form to the game

Honestly I just want 2.204 CBF mod to be back, the new 2.206 version sucks, the old one only used to bug in platformer mode, the new one bugs even in classic mode when _supposedly_ it shouldn't affect gameplay

Hacking is now allowed on the Geometry Dash demonlist.

Wavix: ❌ Me when gang machine ✅ Me when CBF

Pretty bold move of the demonlist team to allow CBF before RobTop's approval, especially given the fact that the demonlist (currently) depends on RobTop to rate levels, setting a rough standard for level quality. Creating a disconnect between RobTop and the demonlist is confusing and creates unnecessary hassle. I know that 'GRIEF' and 'PSYCHOPATH' are affected by the use of this mod but it is entirely the players' decisions to use it and whether they trust that RobTop adds some form of it soon or not

Personally if i was RobTop i wouldn't start another controversy such as Tidal Wave, i would definetly add og CBF. But unfortunately i'm not RobTop, i wouldn't get too upset over the drama since at the end of the day it's just a game.

if he doesnt add it as an option spam players are gonna riot

Robtop making his own version is 100% justified, as the current CBF mod has the problem of adding extra speed to the player when clicking between frames. (Very prevalent in platformer levels like zip lash)

Can we talk about what is Rub's version of CBF going to change from the orginal?

If there's one thing that would make this whole controversy less annoying it would be Rob being more clear on why the frick he won't just implement CBF the way it is.

Reading between the lines, I think Rob is threatening not to rate verifications w/ CBF just to deter anyone (Doggie) from verifying big projects until his own update because he doesn't want to deal with the hassle. Like do we really think he wouldn't walk it back like Tidal Wave if Grief was verified and he didn't rate it - he would surely cave exactly the same way, it's just a matter of time and headache.

wait- isnt cbf the same as having millions of fps?

tbf, i think the actual CBF shouldn't be added to the game and robtop is in the right for trying to remake it as he will try to test levels and stuff. good example of the normal CBF not being good is that it breaks some levels that have move triggers, like on Night Party at 56% its fully impossible with CBF as it just flings you up in the spikes after clicking with the spider so yeah. I had experiences of me just going through stuff with CBF that normally you couldn't without it so yeah just let robtop fix it first but I have no believes that it will be as good or better than the normal CBF we have.

Click between frames could possible change the geometry dash as we all know it, forever.

I personally dont think cbf should be allowed nor added to the game. reason: it will probably screw around with all the demon list placements, and it will raise the skill ceiling too fast. I mean we might have people starting to verify aeternus before flamewall is verified. there are more reasons but this is a yt comment so smh

My stance has been that I consider it cheating, and I will continue to do so. A poll with just over 50% approval is not nearly enough. iOS players not being able to get consistent demonlist submissions has nothing to do with it. Other platforms would still have the advantage at the end of the day.

we can use click between steps instead (it is cbf but without the physics change so it's worse)

for me, this is definitly a code issue and yes i agrre for more clarity of robtop but yea im personally very happy this mod will not be added

Also does anyone know if you can spot cbf players? Like can't anybody like lie about the verifications and won't get caught?

Syzzi created drama

Fps never should have been a limiting factor in what can be achieved on which device. That is why I think CBF should be added to the game. At the end of the day, it isn't my game, and RobTop should do what he thinks is best for the game and the community.

I'm on PC and I was wondering what is the mod browser for GD? (Like it's curseforge for minecraft, etc.)

4:27 people always get the answer: because its not available on mobile, then continue to ask questions like this. unfortunately, this side of the community's "oh they're bad players they dont deserve to have cbf" doesnt work with robtop, and thats the only logic "good" players have when it comes to this

why tf is everyone arguing so much about it. unless youre playing top 10 frame perfect bs it doesnt help you at all. also harassing rob is just gonna make him less likely to add it remember tidal wave

the divide between robtop and the community demonlist grows

I hope RobTop adds CBF but the TPS is limited to 240, if something else I can tell from now it's going to be bullshit.

Robtop will probably add the mod to the game but he probably is too busy working on explorers and other 2.21 stuff

I feel like I would be the player that literally gets worse because of CBF ngl. Adding CBF might make most levels a bit harder to place on the list, as a wider variety of players will be able to access them, and therefore may create divisions as to what levels are harder. This can be affirmed by the fact that a lot of younger players may begin beating higher range extremes, and may overrate or underrate them, as we all do when we're young or inexperienced. Newer players would also have a similar effect, especially if they start playing extremes earlier on. I hope this makes sense. This is just my prediction for what may happen, so please don't start raging on the internet. Thank you :)

the "goodbye" at the end really hit hard

I really dont like the idea of cbf tbh. I mean i know it makes the game more fun or whatnot but shouldn't be allowed to be in demon list or make a seperate list at least. It's like basically all the efforts to verified a level is being discarded. If you want to have fun just dont play hard maps instead of relying on external tools. Play within your capabilities.

I think rob not wanting the demon list to decide what’s legal or not is perfectly fine. Not implementing cbf is kinda bs though, and I really hope Rob reconsiders and just adds it to the game.

i dont know why it took them so long to allow cbf. they allowed fps bypass even though it wasnt accessible to most people because they either could not buy megahack, like mobile players, or just didnt have money for megahack. they shouldve allowed cbf within a few weeks of release because most players including mobile players (besides iOS) could get the new mod and put them on an even playing field.

He doesn't want levels to be impossible without the mod because of the physics change

Honestly, I understand Robtop’s take on CBF, as it still has some bugs associated with how it’s been implemented so far. I always have to turn it off to beat any platformer level, and force physics are just too poor.

About the demon list i think it should just be called the HFLL hardest verifiedevels list where they would add levels no matter if they are rate or not and to prevent layouts and bad levels it should be like the ILL where there are deco standards such as is it up to the bare minimum and the level would be placed if it would use objects from a certain period and it it was uo to standards back then e.g fredom19 (i think thats 1.9 but it looks sick) and stuff like that to prevent placement of literal layouts and garbage levels and the only bypass to this would be if the level was rated.